[General Mayhem]

Anyone watch the Victoria's Secret Fashion show last night?

All I could think about is what it would take to swoop a VS model.

Looks? Money? Fame? An insane amount of game for sure.

What do you guys think?

Browsing twitter and found this cat is dating one of the girls:

https://twitter.com/alexanderdeleon/stat...08/photo/1

Never heard of him before, must be some small fame.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-10-2014 08:36 AM)General Mayhem Wrote:  

Anyone watch the Victoria's Secret Fashion show last night?

All I could think about is what it would take to swoop a VS model.

Looks? Money? Fame? An insane amount of game for sure.

What do you guys think?

Frankly the biggest problem would be to be in the right location at the right time with them.

I am sure that quite a few guys here might have a good shot at fucking them. You only need them to be horny and willing one night out of many.

Getting them as to marrying them - well it helps to be a billionaire, then you can be even 30+ years older:



And the funny thing is that she might even be into him for real as he is a dominant Alpha Player.



The first couple is former Victoria's Secret model Oluchi with husband & mid-level Italian fashion designer. They already have kids together and have been a couple for years - also almost 20 years older than her and met her in her prime. He is even 2-3 inches shorter than her.

I guess the designer snagged her due to Game and Alpha state. She certainly met taller, more good-looking and much richer men who were after her.

So - all combined - logistics is the biggest bitch, since those girls are woman as all others and need a good dicking from time to time. Short-term many guys could bang them. For a LTR money is a must and your status should likely be at or above theirs socially.

[RNM4Esq]

Second the right place right time. I also think the introduction is key - you'd have a hard time overcoming the supermodel barrier without some intermediary introducing you.

Otherwise I don't think money matters as much as you'd think. Obviously if you have some that would help, but you could play the part of an up and coming artist or musician and snag one pretty easy.

[General Mayhem]

(12-10-2014 09:06 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 08:36 AM)General Mayhem Wrote:  

Anyone watch the Victoria's Secret Fashion show last night?

All I could think about is what it would take to swoop a VS model.

Looks? Money? Fame? An insane amount of game for sure.

What do you guys think?

Frankly the biggest problem would be to be in the right location at the right time with them.

I am sure that quite a few guys here might have a good shot at fucking them. You only need them to be horny and willing one night out of many.

Getting them as to marrying them - well it helps to be a billionaire, then you can be even 30+ years older:



And the funny thing is that she might even be into him for real as he is a dominant Alpha Player.



The first couple is former Victoria's Secret model Oluchi with husband & mid-level Italian fashion designer. They already have kids together and have been a couple for years - also almost 20 years older than her and met her in her prime. He is even 2-3 inches shorter than her.

I guess the designer snagged her due to Game and Alpha state. She certainly met taller, more good-looking and much richer men who were after her.

So - all combined - logistics is the biggest bitch, since those girls are woman as all others and need a good dicking from time to time. Short-term many guys could bang them. For a LTR money is a must and your status should likely be at or above theirs socially.

It's encouraging that none of these guys are especially tall or good looking, except the first guy looks pretty tall.

I think some people might not take my question seriously, but I'm not joking. This could be a legitimate game goal. I would try to rack up triple digits first though.

I just don't have much experience with really high end girls, the city I live in right now has wannabe models at best. That should change with a move though.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-10-2014 11:55 AM)General Mayhem Wrote:  

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It's encouraging that none of these guys are especially tall or good looking, except the first guy looks pretty tall.

I think some people might not take my question seriously, but I'm not joking. This could be a legitimate game goal. I would try to rack up triple digits first though.

I just don't have much experience with really high end girls, the city I live in right now has wannabe models at best. That should change with a move though.

RVF members HEAVY and Distant Light have some experience in NYC fucking real fashion models.

Fucking them is possible if you are not too short, put in the work and get to where they are.

The guys in the pics are married to them though - then you can be even fat and shorter, though all of them are multi-millionaires or billionaires, have high social status in their field & are quite Alpha, but I guess your goal is not to marry a Victoria's Secret model.

I never saw a high level model - who have all net worth in the 8 digits at least - being in a LTR with a man below their financial level. I saw beautiful women born into great wealth marry masculine and even poor Alphas, but not models who usually came from humble origins.

[General Mayhem]

Yeah the goal isn't to wife up a model.

I'm just striving to be on that level, to be the kind of man who could bang girls like that.

Are Heavy and Distant Light still around?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-10-2014 12:57 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  

Yeah the goal isn't to wife up a model.

I'm just striving to be on that level, to be the kind of man who could bang girls like that.

Are Heavy and Distant Light still around?

Yes - you can check out their posts or PM them. Distant Light even has a youtube channel

[General Mayhem]

Distant Light even has a blog apparently. I'll have to do some digging, but at a glance he has some interesting stuff Thanks for the info.

[Pontifex Maximus]

(12-10-2014 11:55 AM)General Mayhem Wrote:  

The Italian designer looks like this guy that Arnold tossed off the cliff in Commando. Do you have to toss men off cliffs to swoop VS models?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-10-2014 02:05 PM)thyalmightyrhino Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 11:55 AM)General Mayhem Wrote:  

The Italian designer looks like this guy that Arnold tossed off the cliff in Commando. Do you have to toss men off cliffs to swoop VS models?

That may be so, but he is banging a hard 10 (she looks even better in real life), while Arnold is still shtupping this:



Yeah - I know that Arnold fucked 1000+ even while married and his union was more a dynasty building marriage, but still....

Italian designer wins in my book.

[heavy]

I'm still around.

I'm flattered, but I'd like to clarify...I've never gamed a model...maybe a hand model
   

[Sourcecode]

There have been post on models.
In my experience..it really comes down to access.
Of course, she might be prone to finding a rich designer.

But the people in get immediate area are must likely to smash.
I've dated smashed models on lower levels..because..I went to school with them..or was introduced through someone else.

Same with any attractive girl. If you are around then and they need dick...you are up next.

The hottest hostesses in Vegas are getting banged by the broke bartenders..not the customers

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-10-2014 02:53 PM)heavy Wrote:  

I'm still around.

I'm flattered, but I'd like to clarify...I've never gamed a model...maybe a hand model

Heh - I mixed you up with another member here.

OP - if you check out Distant Lights posts on NYC night clubs - on those threads the guy with the model-specialization posted his stuff. Sounds credible - most of it is location frankly. If you Game girls non-stop at the right places and are somewhat potentially attractive to the girls (have a real shot at it) you could just as well prowl a street where a lot of agencies are found and do Daygame there.

Even by doing sheer numbers you are bound to fuck some sooner or later.

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ame with any attractive girl. If you are around then and they need dick...you are up next.

The hottest hostesses in Vegas are getting banged by the broke bartenders..not the customers

That's exactly true - just what I observed myself. Many models travel around, are alone in the big city, are sometimes lonely and sometimes just horny. The guy who is there gets to fuck them.

[Distant Light]

I personally know the bald white guy, he is what I'd call a superconnector, funny thing is no one knows him outside of the "high end" realm but he is the cause of majority of "high end" nightlife in both NY and Vegas. (And also highly connected from miami to st tropez) That's his ex-gf, I've seen him after the club chatting chicks and he has that "vibe" many will say situational confidence but IMO he is the perfect example of a "mover shaker".

Like others said #1 thing is ACCESS...

My fav venue I used to frequent, they thought I was a model scout so I would roll in solo ANY NIGHT. It was so easy that one time I walked out the bathroom seen a hot russian, put my hand out and we end up walking arm and arm to a table where we ended up hanging out. I also used to just roll solo because I knew 100% I'd meet some mixed group who would invite me to their table. These sort of "private" clubs is so cliquish that by definition of being their you are "one of us" and so competent social skills will get you very far. (In a drunk text, I noticed me telling the chick to go to bar using some guys tab because we were all hanging out...average bar tab at this venue is $500 so I can only imagine what was racked up) Sadly my dumbass drunken self caused me to get banned which severely hurt my social life since that place has the most models in 1 place.

The 2nd thing almost everyone overlooks is that it comes down to...

YOUR INNER GAME

I had the biggest shift when I realized I was around so many hot chicks that they were all "more or less" hot. That mixed with the fact that my own personal social circle that I built through cold approach consisted of ONLY model types. At this peak, 1 modeling agency I practically knew 12-15 girls who were either new faces or contracted.

I noticed most guys treat hotties even more differently than average chicks which is what causes guys who are generally good with women to "sike" themselves out. My interactions with women became more "tough love" as I realized alot of things I don't tolerate and/or I call chicks out on their shit...For instance, 1 chick I liked alot (6ft russian) she was awesome when I 1st met her (1 night she madeout with bald guy in OP picture business partner) and then all of a sudden got really bitchy in a way that I dislike. I told her straight up...

"You're not the girl I used to like...You've changed"

INSTANTLY, she turned back to the girl I loved, she'd straddle me as her way of greeting, lick my face, etc. However, I still never really transitioned back to actually wanting to fool around.

My style of interaction is either very social (if I'm not actively seeking out any chicks) or "tough love" where I'm so attracted that I refuse to just "let her win me over" just off how attracted I am. As a result the more attracted I am the more challenging/testy and skeptical I am.

quick example of some "light" boundary setting....

3rd factor, do you even live life? And have fun?

Most people think they need to be "in her world" when it's actually about YOUR WORLD as the chick will easily calibrate and view you as an "escape" from her normal life. This is the ONLY REASON why the gorgeous chicks who rarely go out liked me. (However, I tend to screen them out because I still love partying alot!!)

These chicks are bored, how many times are they gonna hang on a yacht just tanning only to put on all this makeup to sit at a table fake dancing to mainstream music...o look a celeb...ok time to go home...no sex for her, sleep times. (6ft russian chick I once heard telling another girl "she forgot to masturbate" and how she hasn't had sex in 7 months!!!!)

Reason I always say "lifestyle over pickup" is because if your inner game is on point simply being social and giving opportunities for sexual experiences is sufficient enough to do alot because THAT CHICK isn't the center piece of your life nor a highlight, it's just "background noise".

This is what ultimately caused my inner game to grow because I knew...
- No matter what my life goes on
- women will come and go but my "lifestyle" sticks with me
- Learning/Understanding myself is more important than me seeking rapport with some random chick just because she's hot
- This will never be the last girl I meet or hookup with

There are tons more but it's essentially what causes me to interact with people in a chill manner. My issue now though is I get so drunk and also became a massive flake.

Some footage from Fall 2012... (Which I considered the peak although Spring 2013 I had a massive shift again) I must say I REALLY want to get my life on track and do it up again by far the best time of my life.

P.S...Although south of france is expensive and I'd have to "life hack" it through my connections. I know that is quite possibly my most easiest environment to socialize/interact (along with festivals since I really go hard) My worst would be crowds, if i'm in a club like those ibiza mega clubs or a dive bar I will "shutdown" since I hate getting bumped around or packed like a sardine.

P.S.S...A 4th factor would be "knowing connectors" as I specifically remember 2 months into building my lifestyle a guy invited me out to pre-game on a monday and before I could greet him I couldn't help but meet this tall girl (one on left) which we instantly hit it off and exchanged numbers. SADLY, I was still in a PUA mindset and over-communicated this chick rarely went out due to actually being contracted. Most of the VS models I know who dated a guy were all "connector" types who lived a certain lifestyle. (The brazilian VS models are part of a social circle I used to hang with in 2012)

[General Mayhem]

So basically it comes down to networking and just being social.

Hopefully Distant Light weighs in.

[Distant Light]

(12-10-2014 09:42 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  

So basically it comes down to networking and just being social.

Hopefully Distant Light weighs in.

Short answer...Yes

Long answer...No, because you still have to be a "fascinating man" or what the community tries to aspire to of "attractive to women in general".

When you do have that "vibe" then yes socializing is essentially what's needed because it's a high probability that people will be intrigued by you. What do I mean? For me personally...
- I have a certain way about me when it comes to sexuality, I NEVER handshake a chick when greeting them always either a kiss on the cheek or lips.
- I don't go on dates/day2s because all that matters is a chick being in my presence face to face, I can be rolling with her to some event or the other way around all that matters is were "face to face" because I know she'll most likely love how I am.
- Majority of the time "guys" are going to love me and offer me all sorts of things (last sunday 3 guys in an empty bar stated I was one of the coolest guys they ever met, they opted to drink with me, asked me to play songs on the jukebox AND the bouncer stated I should come hang every so often)
- When I'm pulling it's generally "In 5mins, lets roll out" there is no BS power games we go, I head straight to the bedroom taking off my cloth as she goes to the bathroom.

That type of stuff comes from experience/growth exploring different concepts. Most people hear socializing/networking and think of this asexual "safe" way of being whereas for me...

It's a highly interpretative "gray area" allowing you to EASILY meet, flirt and/or get very sexual without coming off as formal, traditional, uptight, or serious.

My close friends laugh because to everyone else it just looks like a cool guy socializing BUT they know I'm like an unexploded mine, all it takes is 1 thing to peak my interest and I can go "0 to 100, real quick"

Most guys won't have the free-flowing freedom to interact with such hot chicks and will treat the girl like a porcelain doll trying to follow everything by the books. The awesome personality they display with some average looking chick is the same guy who treats a hottie like a "conservative nun"

[Mister X]

Well, I've seen enough in my experience to know that looks isn't it. Although looks never hurt. But there are a multitude of ways.

The easiest being:

1.) Celebrity game - Just by nature, you're going to be invited to these events, you're rich, you're famous, etc.

But you can also try:

2.) Social circle game - get in their world, either as a model if you have the looks, a photographer, a roadie of sorts that helps set up the stage or equipment when they put on these kinds of fashion events, etc. Any kind of job that allows you to interact with these girls. Easier said than done of course but that's how a lot of these dudes get in.

3.) Nightlife game - become a club owner/promoter/etc -- something in the nightlife world that would allow you to attend such events, host after parties for such events, etc. Or at least be aware of the hottest clubs in the major cities, and get to know the people there and wiggle your way in that way. Again, easier said than done, but it can happen.

There's probably others I'm leaving out. But this is kind of where lifestyle is the biggest element here. Because you're just looking for the chance. You would run game like you normally would, but that's not the issue here. The issue here is even getting the opportunity to run game on these girls.

[General Mayhem]

(12-11-2014 05:03 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 09:42 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  

So basically it comes down to networking and just being social.

Hopefully Distant Light weighs in.

Short answer...Yes

Long answer...No, because you still have to be a "fascinating man" or what the community tries to aspire to of "attractive to women in general".

When you do have that "vibe" then yes socializing is essentially what's needed because it's a high probability that people will be intrigued by you. What do I mean? For me personally...
- I have a certain way about me when it comes to sexuality, I NEVER handshake a chick when greeting them always either a kiss on the cheek or lips.
- I don't go on dates/day2s because all that matters is a chick being in my presence face to face, I can be rolling with her to some event or the other way around all that matters is were "face to face" because I know she'll most likely love how I am.
- Majority of the time "guys" are going to love me and offer me all sorts of things (last sunday 3 guys in an empty bar stated I was one of the coolest guys they ever met, they opted to drink with me, asked me to play songs on the jukebox AND the bouncer stated I should come hang every so often)
- When I'm pulling it's generally "In 5mins, lets roll out" there is no BS power games we go, I head straight to the bedroom taking off my cloth as she goes to the bathroom.

That type of stuff comes from experience/growth exploring different concepts. Most people hear socializing/networking and think of this asexual "safe" way of being whereas for me...

It's a highly interpretative "gray area" allowing you to EASILY meet, flirt and/or get very sexual without coming off as formal, traditional, uptight, or serious.

My close friends laugh because to everyone else it just looks like a cool guy socializing BUT they know I'm like an unexploded mine, all it takes is 1 thing to peak my interest and I can go "0 to 100, real quick"

Most guys won't have the free-flowing freedom to interact with such hot chicks and will treat the girl like a porcelain doll trying to follow everything by the books. The awesome personality they display with some average looking chick is the same guy who treats a hottie like a "conservative nun"

Glad you weighed in. You have put a lot of interesting stuff out there. Not just here but on your blog as well.

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we instantly hit it off and exchanged numbers. SADLY, I was still in a PUA mindset and over-communicated

Been there.

The stuff you say is interesting because most guys preach that girls make worthless friends, don't keep girls as friends, etc. Your approach to it is completely different, and based on some of my life experiences I'm starting to sway over to the other side. I've lost out in more than one situation like the one above because my mentality wasn't fluid enough.

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if your inner game is on point simply being social and giving opportunities for sexual experiences is sufficient enough to do alot because THAT CHICK isn't the center piece of your life nor a highlight, it's just "background noise".

The biggest thing I have learned about game/life in general in the past year is that it is so much about energy and having a good vibe. I think that is basically what you are saying here.

So I think the verdict is that swooping a VS model is very doable with the attitude.

I think really settling into a niche in your life could help out as well. Find something where you can really excel and then stick with it, become well-known, etc.

[perverted sage]

(12-10-2014 02:53 PM)heavy Wrote:  

I'm still around.

I'm flattered, but I'd like to clarify...I've never gamed a model...maybe a hand model

LoL...she must give beautiful handjobs

[WestIndianArchie]

http://www.businessinsider.com/boyfriend...13-11?op=1

Adriana Lima - Husband Marko Jaric - basketball player, annual salary 7 mill

Alessandra Ambrosio - Husband - Jamie Mazur - owns Underground Denim, worth 20 mill

Behati Prinsloo - Husband - Adam Levine - Rock Star, lead for Maroon 5

Candice Swanepoel - BF - Male Model

Karlie Kloss - Josh Kushner - Tech Investor

Lily Aldridge - Husband - Caleb Followill - Lead for the Kings of Leon

Doutzen Kroes - Hubby - DJ Sunnery James - DJ

Lindsay Ellingson - Husband - Sean Clayton - Medical Equipment Sales Rep

Game Recognized Sean

WIA

[General Mayhem]

(12-11-2014 04:00 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

http://www.businessinsider.com/boyfriend...13-11?op=1

Adriana Lima - Husband Marko Jaric - basketball player, annual salary 7 mill

Alessandra Ambrosio - Husband - Jamie Mazur - owns Underground Denim, worth 20 mill

Behati Prinsloo - Husband - Adam Levine - Rock Star, lead for Maroon 5

Candice Swanepoel - BF - Male Model

Karlie Kloss - Josh Kushner - Tech Investor

Lily Aldridge - Husband - Caleb Followill - Lead for the Kings of Leon

Doutzen Kroes - Hubby - DJ Sunnery James - DJ

Lindsay Ellingson - Husband - Sean Clayton - Medical Equipment Sales Rep

Game Recognized Sean

WIA

Looks alpha.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-11-2014 04:00 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

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Lindsay Ellingson - Husband - Sean Clayton - Medical Equipment Sales Rep

Game Recognized Sean

WIA

He met her at a party with Jay-Z present, so he is likely not as humble as one may assume. Also some wealthy families let their sons work in humble positions before promoting them. The entire H&M clan is like that - you have to work for months and years in the stores - at first folding sweaters like a normal minimum-wage slave.

But - yeah - tall very good-looking and meeting her at all gives you a shot - probably most of their husbands have Game or at least strong Alpha state, because those models have other options and boring Betas are legion.

Still - Sean looks like having the highest level of long-term Game - he met her years ago in her prime, so well-done. Though to be fair, we don't know if he is to inherit 50+ mio. $ in a few years.

[jariel]

I know the OP is talking about a VS model, but being in that world, I can tell you just generally speaking, you have to understand most women who say they are models are not really models.

Even amongst the ones who are legit models, not all of them are working models, so just because a chick is represented by Wilhelmina doesn't mean she's getting paid gigs.

For me a true model is one who has an unusual amount of natural beauty and height and she regularly gets paid work.

Urban models are not real models, IMO.

Game these women as you know you're supposed to, but also remember, you're not entitled to dimes. You can want a beautiful woman more than anything in the world, you can like her more than anyone else ever has, but that has nothing to do with her desire to hook up with you.

As others have said, you still have to come with the goods as a man.

[WestIndianArchie]

Analysis recognized Zelcorpion

WIA

(12-11-2014 04:16 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 04:00 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

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Lindsay Ellingson - Husband - Sean Clayton - Medical Equipment Sales Rep

Game Recognized Sean

WIA

He met her at a party with Jay-Z present, so he is likely not as humble as one may assume. Also some wealthy families let their sons work in humble positions before promoting them. The entire H&M clan is like that - you have to work for months and years in the stores - at first folding sweaters like a normal minimum-wage slave.

But - yeah - tall very good-looking and meeting her at all gives you a shot - probably most of their husbands have Game or at least strong Alpha state, because those models have other options and boring Betas are legion.

Still - Sean looks like having the highest level of long-term Game - he met her years ago in her prime, so well-done. Though to be fair, we don't know if he is to inherit 50+ mio. $ in a few years.

[General Mayhem]

(12-11-2014 04:53 PM)jariel Wrote:  

I know the OP is talking about a VS model, but being in that world, I can tell you just generally speaking, you have to understand most women who say they are models are not really models.

Even amongst the ones who are legit models, not all of them are working models, so just because a chick is represented by Wilhelmina doesn't mean she's getting paid gigs.

For me a true model is one who has an unusual amount of natural beauty and height and she regularly gets paid work.

Urban models are not real models, IMO.

Game these women as you know you're supposed to, but also remember, you're not entitled to dimes. You can want a beautiful woman more than anything in the world, you can like her more than anyone else ever has, but that has nothing to do with her desire to hook up with you.

As others have said, you still have to come with the goods as a man.

I totally agree. I think I may have said something about wannabe models in my original post, not sure, but yeah they are everywhere in my city and most of them only have a fraction of the natural beauty that high level models have.

Your point about gaming models is spot on as well. Any guy can desire models. I started this thread to talk about how to be the kind of man that a model would desire.