Quote: (12-10-2014 04:08 AM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:
I've been thinking a lot recently about what's my end game and to be honest, it just seems there isn't a viable one out there. Once your SMV starts slipping after your late 30s, what do you do? Try and be a playa for life? Get married to some crazy American broad who could unleash the fury of the state on your ass the moment things go sour? Import a wife from SE Asia or the FSU from your travels and hope she doesn't get infected with feminism? Move overseas to these more traditional places (not really an option for most guys)? And what of having children? Some of these options are more appealing than others but none of them really stick out as being an awesome idea.
I guess you can be a playa but once you are in your forties or fifties, those 18-24 year old women are going to be scarce. You'll have to game women in their thirties who are about to hit the wall and looking to cash in on their SMV.
To RVF members: what's your plan? Have you thought about this yet?
I think about what direction to take literally every day. I'm still not entirely sure what to do for a number of reasons, but I'm trying to formulate a process for how to make the decision of which direction to take.
The first issue is that I am married and will soon have kids, so I need to think not only about what would be materially good for them, but the kind of place I want them to be/grow up in. The other issue that is complicating all of this is my ageing parents. My mother, who is 63, had a stroke a couple of years ago. She's mostly recovered, but she is not in good health generally. She's also a very bitter and unhappy person in many ways. Every time I see her now, she seems really, really old to me. To be honest, I don't see her living to 70. My father is 66. He also has some health problems, though he is generally okay. He is pretty happy with life, though he's not averse to ranting about how society is all going to shit (though that's not really a major factor in his happiness/well being). I also know that if my mother dies first that he will go to pieces.
A few years ago, I wouldn't have really thought too much about this stuff and just would have done my own thing. However, over the past few years I have also become much more reactionary/conservative/traditional, and I now feel some high level of responsibility for my parents. Earlier this year, my sister point blank told me that she would not look after them. That pissed me off a lot, partly because I think she's an ungrateful little bitch, but also because it put it all on me. So, with all of that in mind, I suspect that probably in ten years (or less), I'm going to have to make a very major decision to either move back to Australia so that I can look after/keep an eye on one of my parents (most likely my father), or pretty much abandon them to strangers in the geriatric care industry for most of each year. Yet I will also have my wife and children to think about.
If my parents weren't in the equation, I don't know I would ever move back to Australia. There are things I really like about Australia (and by extension, the West in general) that if we're being honest, simply don't exist (and probably never will) in the second or third world. Yet I have two big complaints about Australia. The first is the culture. I really don't want to raise children amongst it. There's a general level of toxicity there that is well documented at this forum. I also don't quite know where we'd fit into the society in the scheme of things. I actually don't like either hipsters or trashy idiots. Further to that, I'm not a Christian, so I couldn't just retreat to associating in that kind of community either. I am part of a tiny minority of right wing atheists who struggles to identify culturally with any stratum of society.
The second complaint is that I don't know that Australia (and by extension, the West) is very good value for money for many people. You mentioned that you would live in the Philippines in a heartbeat if you could earn the same amount as in the US. Actually, you wouldn't need to. What I am getting at is that the base cost of living in many Western nations is so high now that I don't think it's worth living there unless you're making huge amounts of money to begin with because you have to get over a certain hump in income just to pay for that base cost of living before you can start to partake of the good things of the West. There's no point just scraping by in the West, but there's also no point burning money unnecessarily either. I don't know what the base cost of living in Australia would be, but say it's $40,000/year (USD). I could live (with a family) off half of that in Taiwan quite easily and comfortably, and essentially pocket the $20,000 difference. It comes down to wondering whether having better restaurants, parks, live music, etc. is worth $20,000/year to me in Australia, or whether I could save and invest that, still buy those things here, or have that $20,000 to travel to lots of interesting places (within a four hour flight from here I could be in over a dozen countries, all of them with radically different cultures, but a four hour flight wouldn't get me out of Australia from my home state). We can play around with the numbers above, but I'm sure you get what I am saying. There's also tax (at all different levels) to consider. Basically, if I were to live in Australia, I think I'd want to make $100,000/year at least. I couldn't make that in my industry (education), nor would I want to because of the BS involved. Starting a business is a major pain in the arse also. I have two businesses in Taiwan and they'd be an absolute nightmare to run in Australia (and I don't think I'd make $100,000/year from them). I'd basically want to have passive income of at least $100,000/year to live in Australia, and I'm not close to that yet.
On the other hand, unless I have some sort of business that ties me to Taiwan, I don't see myself being here in five to ten years simply because I know I will never fit in here and because I just think the standard of living here is crap. There is something inherently broken about Chinese culture, and it's greatly exacerbated by the insane population density in most of Taiwan (and that is coming to much of Asia generally). I've been to enough large Asian cities -- whether hyper-modern or a complete shambles -- to know that their urban environments are inherently unhealthy, especially for raising children. Yet there's also a reason why rural Asia is backward: the people. I currently live in the countryside and it's full of knuckle heads. A friend of mine is in the process of buying and setting up a farm in the Philippines and it's even worse there. I've seen it all over Southeast Asia. I think it takes a very particular kind of Westerner to be able to successfully live in these places. It's all very well to say that Asian women are feminine and so on, but wait until you marry into their families, have local neighbours, colleagues, do business with them, etc. It's much more complicated than the average Westerner realises after a month or two in-country, and I think people can romanticise Asia and the non-West. Of course, there's also such stuff as the shoddy workmanship, terrible urban planning (even in smaller towns), and the pollution/litter/general environmental degradation. Much of that washes over me now and I'm largely over culture shock. Yet I still know that I will never fit in. I am Western. I grew up in a functional, highly developed culture full of smart people; the crux of the problem many of us are facing is that the West has become less functional, because few other places have become closer to how the West used to be. Whilst I won't be unhappy and won't have a bad standard of living here in Taiwan, that's not enough. I want to be happy and have a good standard of living. I want to live in a place that functions fairly well where it's beautiful and tranquil, where people don't think it's cool to drive like maniacs, cut everything down, dump whatever they want in the local river, burn a huge bonfire next to your house all day or let off a hundred firecrackers at 4am several days each year. There are lots of things I like about Taiwan also, but I know that the above (as a small set of examples) are things that will largely never change and will be unacceptable to me. To me, this is a place to be until I have made enough money to be elsewhere (including Australia), and that's going to take about five to ten years more, which would probably coincide with the issue with my parents.
I have thought about moving elsewhere, with Chile being high on my list (obviously, I'd have to investigate it first). Yet I know that there's no place in the world that would be a Utopia, and so there would be tradeoffs everywhere. We live in a less than perfect world. Also, because of my personal circumstances, I'm not entirely sure that I would want to go through the whole process of uprooting my family and trying to adapt to a new country only to then be faced with the dilemma regarding my parents and then uprooting my family again. Ultimately, maybe Australia will be the best (or most familiar in terms of those tradeoffs) option for me, and maybe I should just think of that as an inevitability in ten years, and so plan for it now. If I did move back to Australia, I'd live in the countryside and try to insulate my wife and children as far as possible from the pernicious cultural influences there. Maybe you need to do a similar thing within the US?
Anyway, I'm writing a lot about myself. What I would suggest to you is to first really decide if you think you ever want to have children. That's a major fork in the road. To be honest, if you're ever going to go with having children, I really don't think that marrying an American woman is the way to go. Sure, there are exceptions, but that's a lottery with low odds. As such, you'd be looking at either importing a woman or expatriating. In either case, I'd develop a list of what I wanted in a woman (and possibly a country). I'd then try to come up with a list of perhaps a dozen countries that met those criteria. Then, I'd learn as much as I could about those places and their cultures, and maybe cull the list by half. Then, I'd go to those places and try to spend at least a couple of months in each to get a much better feel for the people and the places themselves, during which time I'd be highly critical (in the sense of appraising, not being negative). I'd then cull the list again to maybe no more than three places. Then, I'd plan at least one more trip to each, probably for even longer that time.
Obviously, doing all of the above would be very difficult whilst also having a normal job, but I think it would be a mistake to try to take shortcuts. Going somewhere for a couple of weeks and either finding a wife or deciding to move there would be a big risk because you wouldn't get a good enough picture. Unless you have independent or passive income, you'd have to accept the trade off of your career taking a hit whilst you did that. I tend to think though that unless you have a really fulfilling career or are making huge amounts of money, it's really not worth placing a huge emphasis upon having a career tied to your place of origin. I think that just ties people into the system so that they'll never escape.
Now, some general thoughts on this thread.
I think that those in the elite in the West are really thinking short term. Firstly, I don't believe that there will be an amazing technological solution to their problems. They're not going to have robots to do all of their work. They're also not going to be able to cull the population by 90%, or even a smaller, but significant proportion, without severe revolt or unintentionally unleashing a pandemic upon themselves, or at least becoming a really old society. The US couldn't maintain a huge number of very large cities with only 30 million people, and it certainly couldn't retain any kind of cultural hegemony on a world scale. Besides which, as we will see in a moment, the populations of the US and other Western nations are a drop in the bucket of where we are going to end up. Finally, I don't think mass immigration is going to solve the problems of the elite. In fact, I think that will only make things worse. If Western nations import masses of people from the third world, then those nations will come to resemble the third world. Yet what is the third world if not massively unstable, a place where the elite live high on the hog for maybe half a century (if they're lucky), before hanging from street poles or being sent to the gulag after a populist revolution? Some of the elite manage to escape that (though in so doing, they rarely remain political elite, even if they manage to hold onto some economic wealth), but large numbers of them do not. It seems to me that one way or another, the elite will end up with some form of restive population, be it indigenous or imported.
The other really big wildcard few people seem to be considering is world demographic projections:
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The first thing to note there is that those countries that are currently developed are going to be a tiny drop in the bucket of the world's population. I'm not so sure they will retain very much of their geopolitical, cultural or even economic power. It's hard to see how the problems of middle class white feminists are going to remain the world's problems for much longer. This is especially true when we note where the changes in population will come from. Africa is likely going to have at least four billion people. That alone is going to be a massive game changer. The previous predictions of a slowdown in population growth were wildly optimistic. I don't even think the West could simply isolate those people. How is Africa going to support at least four billion people? How are those people either not going to consume massive amounts of resources (at the expense of the West, as is already beginning to happen) or else flood into the West (as they are already doing)? I just don't think the West is going to be able to sustain all of this feminist BS because the demographics are going to shred the available prosperity levels in the West. How is the price of oil, iron ore, wheat, timber or anything else not going to sky rocket? How is it going to be possible to continue to fund women's studies departments or women in make work careers, even if people with vastly more traditional cultures don't overwhelm the West?
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