[zidhai89]

(12-02-2014 06:29 AM)Candlejack Wrote:  

Indians are hilarious. Most of the London Daygame bootcamp students are Indian. They are known as "the weird Indian sex tourists."

Yeah, like how the white bald moaning sun burnt brit dudes that head over to Thailand cause they can't get laid back in their home country and have to resort to paying for it in a round about way.

[WestIndianArchie]

(12-02-2014 12:04 AM)chamele0n Wrote:  

Still, Gauhar Khan is nothing more than mediocre in my book. She still has that square Indian inbred body shape. Not to say there are no hot Indian women, there certainly are, but this Khan lady is no model.

I'm trying to roll with you then. Cause if you're regularly banging chicks better than her, I'll just run game on the broads who don't meet your criteria.

Change the game up to EastIndianArchie.

EIA

[WalterBlack]

The looks of Indians can vary greatly - these people are Indian. They're from NE India:

Manipuri women assault case: One accused arrested in Delhi, second on the run

Photo caption: Students from north-east protesting against death of Nido Taniam in Lajpat Nagar.

Quote:

One man of the two men accused of harassing and abusing two Manipuri women in Delhi on January 25 has been arrested, police said. Police are looking for the second accused who is absconding.

The arrested accused has been identified as Prem.

The Jan 25 incident came to light following uproar over the death of a student from northeast, Nido Taniam, who was allegedly assaulted by shopkeepers on January 29.

The Manipuri women were allegedly assaulted and had to face racist abuses in Kotla Mubarakpur area in south Delhi on the eve of Republic Day.

The victims had accused the police of being reluctant to register an FIR.

According to police, the women, were beaten up by a group of men, who were in their late 20s, reported PTI.

The women in their complaint said that one of the assaulters tied the leash of his dog to one of the victim's boots.

She panicked and in a bid to get rid of the dog, she started kicking the animal.

Seeing this, the men started beating her up. When her friend tried to intervene, she too was allegedly thrashed by the men who made racists comments against them, police said.

The victims alleged that none of the locals came to help them and when they reached the police station to lodge an FIR, policemen were initially reluctant to register a case.

The case was registered only the next day after leaders of some Northeast outfits intervened.

The capital has witnessed protests over the death of 19-year-old Nido Taniam, son of Arunchal Pradesh Congress MLA and Parliamentary Secretary in Health and Family Welfare Department Nido Pavitra.

He died after he was allegedly beaten up by some shopkeepers in Lajpat Nagar in South Delhi following an altercation sparked by their taunts on his hairstyle.

[zidhai89]

The above post was actually what I was referring to when I said a rational analysis won't be had here. It would be easy to post over the top articles from xojane or something and highlight the parts meant to shock but trying to draw a conclusion from them is probably more difficult than trying to find a needle in a haystack.

I also think it to be fucking annoying that people try and bold and increase the font to 32 as though we are incapable of reading normal sized font and applying our own mind to the content of the article. The divergent linking from trying to explain about the oriental portion of India's population to linking to another sensationalist article is would be amusing if it wasn't so transparent.

Hell i'll probably get banned for this but fuck it, it's worth it. Reading another copy paste from some people behaving like sheep re-posting whatever shit they've read / seen on T.V is bloody annoying. There was a decent post by Ligurian? which as expected got lost in the clutter of the thread.

More interesting is the subtle programming at work here.

[WalterBlack]

^^^^
What subtle programming are you talking about? I’m about as far removed from a sheep as possible.

This thread is about harassment, so I posted an article about it. NE Indian women suffer from harassment too, often of a racist nature.

Everybody bolds text in order for them to highlight the salient points of the article - why do you have an issue with it?

[azulsombra]

(12-02-2014 02:51 AM)zidhai89 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 02:39 PM)The Ligurian Wrote:  

Your second point about India not being an outlier even accounting for under reporting: yes but under reporting statistics will be nothing like in the west due to the very real possibility of ostracism for the victim of sexual violence both by family and community. That's not an issue in the west. Also the risk of victim blaming in India which again rarely happens in the west. There are cases of victims of sexual violence on the sub continent being killed by her family/community due to ideas of shame. ( I'm actually talking more about Islamic areas than Hindu on that point ). Add into all that the caste issues where in certain shit holes like Bihar or Madhya Pradesh the Dalits and other scheduled castes are little more than bonded labour dependent on the local land owner for survival and you can see how it would be better to put up and shut up with an assault. We won't even go into the police force and how they deal with rape victims in many parts of rural India...

Anecdotally I know two foreign women who were sexually assaulted in India but none that were assaulted anywhere else in the world ( to my knowledge ). Also any country with such sexual dynamics as exist in India outside of the metros is going to lead to more sexual violence by definition. If you are as sexually repressed as Indian men ( again non metro ) and not getting laid or having an outlet for your sexual needs all through your teens and early 20's except the odd trip to a highway ghand-mari then you're going to often have bad shit going down whether that just be a grope on a bus to something more extreme.

Okay, my post might come across a bit rude but it's nothing personal. You seem like a chill guy bit i'm not sure what you're arguing when you say that statistically it is not an outlier but under reporting is not like in the West. This site is good for a lot of things and some decent people but i'm not sure if a balanced debate on an issue as complex as rape can be had here especially if we start dealing in anecdotes that are grossly over exaggerated. For example - girl pulled knife on a guy in Delhi? Yeah right. Guy dragged girl of street in an alley? Wtf? If anything in a culture which is still slightly prudish and puts women on a slight pedestal there are a number of cases where strangers will come to the aid of women if the perception is that they are being harrassed. Similarly there would be people who feel the speed of India's growth has left them behind and as you mention when they come from villages to the urban areas feel emasculated.So an accurate method for looking at this issue right now would simply be data not speculation.

I don't have much time so this might be slightly disjointed. Starting with this, account for 10X under reporting, bring in line for population and still India is nowhere near the top. Note : The figures for other countries are completed rapes not attempted or accused or any of the grey areas.



I have no doubt that there are opportunistic women taking advantage of current laws in the West but that extremist view doesn't even tell half the picture. Here is a justice department report detailed here which clearly shows that under reporting is still a huge massive problem in the West. Furthermore the report clearly demarcates between completed and attempted rape. Here is another summary by RAINN . These are not rag tag organization run by people driven by hormones. This is serious shit with people doing good work.

Finally you seem to be correlating poverty with rape. This right now is flatly unproven and looks to be highly unlikely. If anything most rapes are acquaintance rape, family rape is expected to figure surprisingly highly once we break the taboo to actually research this depressing event and it is expected to transcend social and economic boundaries. Here is a US Judge statement and another one by a political candidate. What do they supposedly have in common with a Bihari? I'll leave you to fill in the blanks and they are from completely different worlds as acknowledged by you.

The whole 'savages', 'rape culture' and the 'third world' are an easy sell for some paranoid westerners and the idea that it is a problem limited to emerging reigons just smacks of cultural elitism.

Interesting chart.

The three "rapey-est" countries are all British or former British possesions.

Coincidence?

[zidhai89]

(12-03-2014 09:58 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Coincidence?

Probably. Data without context isn't of much use and I cobbled that together quickly. A more accurate measure would be to bring everything in line for population and then compare.

South Africa ranks the highest or among the highest (Depending on source) with Botswana, Nicaragua and Sweden (What? You would have to imagine this is because of difference in definition but Sweden seems to have a problem because even accounting for that it doesn't explain why the Scandinavian rate is 2x rate of USA and almost 14x rate of India. Looks like everything isn't all sunshine and roses in socialistic utopia.

India is firmly mid-table and even taking for 5x under reporting and difference in definition does not move into the top half.

[Dat ass]

[quote] (12-02-2014 02:51 AM)zidhai89 Wrote:  

[quote='The Ligurian' pid='894011' dateline='1417462740']



I have no doubt that there are opportunistic women taking advantage of current laws in the West but that extremist view doesn't even tell half the picture. Here is a justice department report detailed here which clearly shows that under reporting is still a huge massive problem in the West. Furthermore the report clearly demarcates between completed and attempted rape. Here is another summary by RAINN . These are not rag tag organization run by people driven by hormones. This is serious shit with people doing good work.

Finally you seem to be correlating poverty with rape. This right now is flatly unproven and looks to be highly unlikely. If anything most rapes are acquaintance rape, family rape is expected to figure surprisingly highly once we break the taboo to actually research this depressing event and it is expected to transcend social and economic boundaries. Here is a US Judge statement and another one by a political candidate. What do they supposedly have in common with a Bihari? I'll leave you to fill in the blanks and they are from completely different worlds as acknowledged by you.

The whole 'savages', 'rape culture' and the 'third world' are an easy sell for some paranoid westerners and the idea that it is a problem limited to emerging reigons just smacks of cultural elitism.[/quote]

This can't be serious, are you telling me that France, Germany, the US, the UK and Sweden have the biggest rape rate in the world?

Sweden population is like 10 millions, no matter how many horror histories about the muslims there i have read, it is just not possible that they have more rapes than the Democratic Republic of the Congo or Liberia for example. Those countries are dirty poor and have been for years in guerrilla wars where aids are a weapon.

And i'm pretty sure poverty and sexual violence are related, just because poverty and any kind of violence are related. If the authorities won't do shit because they are already ocuppied taking bribes and abusing their power; you have nothing to lose, and you are barely conscious by endure hungry. What the hell would stop you to do anything you want?

That image can be about denounced cases, it is not the same. I see logical that there are more denounces in France because people there actually trust in their law enforcement more than the farmer in a third world shithole.

I haven't been in India, i really don't know how is the situation, i'm just appealing to a logical mindset.

[bojangles]

That chart has to be wrong. I think the Congo has to be number one. Any warzone has to be number one...

[zidhai89]

Congo is by far away the number one. The study excludes war torn reigons and reigons with puppet governments so you can assume those countries are outliers.

All other sources point in the similar direction with USA and UK being high on the lists.

(12-04-2014 06:08 AM)Dat ass Wrote:  

This can't be serious, are you telling me that France, Germany, the US, the UK and Sweden have the biggest rape rate in the world?

Right now among collected data yes. Whether there are other factors to be taken to account is another debate. I am not trying to turn this debate into a vs one or defend women but the other reports clearly show that rape is also by far the most under reported rape even in the western developed nations that are high on the list estimated to be anywhere b/w 40-60%. The idea about efficiency of police departments being a factor would probably be a minor one for the most part because the stigma attached to the crime is still quite heavy and the convicted rate is still very low. I am not talking about garbage sample sizes that exclusively maintain college hook ups that are predominately governed by alcohol put proper sample sizes large enough to negate those effects.

Finally yes, rape is a unique crime and seems to transcend socio-economic dividers.

[nomadicdude]

I laughed a bit at the thread title "Is India that prudish?"

It may be one of the most prudish places in the world even worse then the Mideast. Men are just repressed. Western style dating is still relatively rare as is premarital sex. Guys just have no fucking exposure to women. I remember traveling for three weeks in Northern India and no joke I did not even see a girl's exposed arms during that time, let alone a girl in shorts or skirts.

[zidhai89]

If you did indeed go to Northern India then you probably went to New Delhi, Chandigarh etc where the average middle class girl dresses like this. So yes given your tendency to exaggerate about 'never seeing arms and legs' there would be no point to offer a rebuttal.



On another note simply out of personal taste the duskier South Indian women are where it's at

[PeruLover12]

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[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-05-2014 03:56 AM)zidhai89 Wrote:  

Gotta re-visit India, this time without a girlfriend. Fuck sight-seeing, anyone run Daygame on busy streets? I guess it's different than meeting Indian chicks in the UK (my personal experience regarding Indian women).

[Pestilence]

Yeah, I prefer south indian women as well. Something about those eyes.

Isn't that nicole faria? Not the hottest girl to come out of bangalore.

Ligurian, I hope you didn't just classify the entirety of the different races in India into gujaratis and tamilians.

[WalterBlack]

(12-04-2014 11:28 PM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

I laughed a bit at the thread title "Is India that prudish?"

It may be one of the most prudish places in the world even worse then the Mideast. Men are just repressed. Western style dating is still relatively rare as is premarital sex. Guys just have no fucking exposure to women. I remember traveling for three weeks in Northern India and no joke I did not even see a girl's exposed arms during that time, let alone a girl in shorts or skirts.

A lot of Indian men think the middle east is a worse place for women than India – think about that…

[Sidney Crosby]

Lisa Ray (half Indian) has always done it for me, and she's a wall survivor (42)

[Moma]

Lisa Ray?? From the players club??

[MidWest]

I don't think its that prudish.

These Indian guys did alright trying to pick up Indian girls and most likely weren't called molesters:

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-07-2014 01:52 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

I don't think its that prudish.

These Indian guys did alright trying to pick up Indian girls and most likely weren't called molesters:

"Can I get your phone number?"
"Why?"
"Because your are beautiful."
Smiles and types.

That's one hell of a Game level required. But at least they used some form of Game.

[MidWest]

(12-07-2014 01:56 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:52 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

I don't think its that prudish.

These Indian guys did alright trying to pick up Indian girls and most likely weren't called molesters:

"Can I get your phone number?"
"Why?"
"Because your are beautiful."
Smiles and types.

That's one hell of a Game level required. But at least they used some form of Game.

True. I think with some good game and good style those Indian chicks above would have been easily swooped. Maybe India isn't as hard as people make it out to be.

[Moma]

In retrospective, I think that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a country of 1.2 Billion people to not have some kind of bang philosophy. I think there is poor intel on the country which is why people say you cannot pick up in India.

Although someone said that it was trolling, a chatter posted something a year back about African students banging out Indian men's wives for pay or some shyt like that.

I honestly think that one can bang lizards in India. With the era that we live in and so many indians watching western tv, how can they not be influenced enough to be lured in by the right swag?

And if Indians are not banging outside of marriage, why is that the UK sent a huge batch of condoms to India to reduce transmission of STI's etc?

The thing is, this forum doesn't really hold a strong attraction to Indian lizards and secondly, due to the communal identity in India, Indians don't really want guys coming to their country to bang out their lizards.

Hence, this folklore that you cannot run game in India. If most Indians are poor, you can run some kind of bait and lure game on the lizards. Yea, I know the higher tier will be more well kept and etc..but from North India to South, I find it impossible that a determined male cannot find something to take home on a fairly consistent basis for the slaughter while travelling through the country.

[MidWest]

(12-07-2014 02:04 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I honestly think that one can bang lizards in India. With the era that we live in and so many indians watching western tv, how can they not be influenced enough to be lured in by the right swag?


The thing is, this forum doesn't really hold a strong attraction to Indian lizards and secondly, due to the communal identity in India, Indians don't really want guys coming to their country to bang out their lizards.

Hence, this folklore that you cannot run game in India. If most Indians are poor, you can run some kind of bait and lure game on the lizards.

I agree. I never bought into the idea that India is bad for game. With a population that big anything is possible. I think it comes down to investment and return. For instance Argentina seems to be hard for game but yet many guys are willing to battle through in order to get them a sexy gaucha. The opposite is true for India where guys aren't willing to go the extra mile for an Indian chick because they are simply not attracted to them and not worth the game pursuit.

I've never been to India but after watching those two videos something tells me that India isn't as hard as guys here make it out to be. A good looking cat with some good game and the right style can go to that same college in that video and swoop girls there easily.

[zidhai89]

(12-07-2014 02:04 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Although someone said that it was trolling, a chatter posted something a year back about African students banging out Indian men's wives for pay or some shyt like that.

Whoever said this was almost definitely trolling or was in the middle of an intense acid trip.

India is basically the opposite of Thailand. The poor, economically disadvantaged people are basically the segment you have next to no chance of scoring because tradition is still strong in those areas and foreigners are outsiders. Now, in a poor country that might disqualify everyone but as you rightly pointed out a 1.2 billion population that has been exposed to rapid economic liberalization and independence has led to what might be considered a 'target population' that is larger than most Euro countries.

It is this target population that has led India to 10'th in all time Miss Universe list higher than forum favorites like Russia, China, Thailand and Colombia.

Miss Universe rankings

The hard part is that as a foreigner even for this segment you will be competing against locals who have a good sense of what 'game' is. I'm not going to lie to you, it can be done if you know what you're doing otherwise you're going to resemble most western (no offense) people who come here and wonder what the fuck just hit them because India is just so fast paced and brutal. If you are really interested head here

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-42217-page-2.html

Finally, yes 'game' is catching on in India simply because the reigonal film industries have now had to produce a segment of movie catering to a specific subset of population who perhaps don't quite believe in romanticism. After all, cynicism and irony are the hallmarks of wealth. It isn't uncommon to see scenes like this in the newer movies.

[bojangles]

Nice post Zidhai