[The Lizard of Oz]

(11-24-2014 04:09 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 07:09 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

portfofmanteau is, very obviously, a hater and a slanderer. Anyone who can naturally use the expression "tone-deaf" about a party is someone who I wouldn't trust as far as I can throw them.

"Very obviously?"

Yes. Anybody that uses the phrases "rape frat" and "rape factories" unironically is an enemy of men and that has nothing to do with ideology. Especially since I don't have one.

(11-24-2014 09:24 PM)horn Wrote:  

Fraternities have been raping drunk girls by 'pulling a train' on them for decades and decades.

I don't buy it. All these infinite numbers of "gang bang frat rapes", hardly one of them ever prosecuted? Where is the evidence?

Many women love to get gang-banged (many more than there are men who would actually want to do that). Getting gang-banged is not "rape".

[scorpion]

(11-24-2014 09:24 PM)horn Wrote:  

Fraternities have been raping drunk girls by 'pulling a train' on them for decades and decades. I have no idea if this RS story is true or not, but I've been told by frat guys in the past that they did this...

Sounds believable. Guys you barely know confess their involvement in violent felonies that would get them tossed out of school, prison time and a lifelong spot on the sex offender registry.

Yep. That's the sort of thing guys commonly use as a conversational ice breaker. "Hey man, you seem like a pretty cool guy. Are you as down with gang rape as I am?"

You are just like the guy on the last page who insisted that a frat was torturing its pledges with broken glass and having them walk around campus with infected wounds. He was attempting to pass off hearsay as personal evidence, which is exactly what you are doing. What happened is that you heard rumors. You did not witness this firsthand, and you did not even hear about this secondhand as you claim.

Basically, you're full of shit. I don't believe for a second that frat members told you about how they gang raped girls. Get the fuck out of here with your nonsense.

The rest of your post is also complete garbage, white knighting for your slutty friend and quoting feminist rape "statistics".

It's absolutely pathetic how many men who undoubtedly consider themselves red pilled are so quick to throw these frats under the bus, based only on ridiculous stories like this and the general urban legends and rumors associated with fraternities in general, the vast majority of which are nothing but fantasies concocted by jealous haters outside the Greek system. It's literally the exact same mindset of betas and chumps who sit around shit talking about alphas and players, spreading rumors to girls that they are rapists and have STDs, etc... Guys like this are haters and clowns, period. Pure chodes.

[Ingocnito]

(11-20-2014 04:18 AM)KofiKingston Wrote:  

It's amazing how unwilling women are to report REAL rape cases to the police/authorities but they'll happily make a false rape allegation just for shits and giggles...

... and people wonder why our forefathers kept them out of politics and in the kitchen instead.

Man no shit..

[Agastya]

(11-24-2014 10:14 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

You are just like the guy on the last page who insisted that a frat was torturing its pledges with broken glass and having them walk around campus with infected wounds. He was attempting to pass off hearsay as personal evidence, which is exactly what you are doing. What happened is that you heard rumors. You did not witness this firsthand, and you did not even hear about this secondhand as you claim.

Basically, you're full of shit. I don't believe for a second that frat members told you about how they gang raped girls. Get the fuck out of here with your nonsense.

No, I heard that story from an alumnus of that frat. He talked about he himself put pledges through that process. Obviously there's no way for you or I to properly substantiate these rumors, but the story exists, and I have reason to believe it, coming as it did from a member of that fraternity. Not every fraternity on campus does things like that--that particular frat has a fairly gnarly reputation--but the fact that I've heard that story from many people, including frat alumni, suggests that it has happened at least a couple times. I also frequently see that fraternity's pledges running around with scars and broken arms.

The story about being forced to clean piss off the walls is also one I've heard secondhand from a good friend, who, incidentally, saw this happening. He told me how it ended a friendship between him and one of his frat brothers, who forced a pledge to do it.

(11-24-2014 10:14 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

It's absolutely pathetic how many men who undoubtedly consider themselves red pilled are so quick to throw these frats under the bus, based only on ridiculous stories like this and the general urban legends and rumors associated with fraternities in general, the vast majority of which are nothing but fantasies concocted by jealous haters outside the Greek system. It's literally the exact same mindset of betas and chumps who sit around shit talking about alphas and players, spreading rumors to girls that they are rapists and have STDs, etc... Guys like this are haters and clowns, period. Pure chodes.

No, you're uncomfortable with admitting that there are aspects of Greek life that are objectively degrading. Club sports at my school includes the rowing team, the rugby team, the hockey team, and the water polo team. We all party, we all fuck our female counterparts(among others), and, incidentally, plenty of us have friends within Greek life or participate in it ourselves. Everyone, including the Greeks I personally know, agree that there are lot of fake, degrading aspects to the Greek system. I don't think they should be persecuted at all; if pledges are willing to clean human feces off of someone's wall, that's their prerogative. And plenty of guys do get great opportunities from being in a fraternity, not to mention the avalanche of pussy that I've seen some of my friends receive. In some fraternities, the benefits outweigh the negatives. In others, though, that's not the case, and it doesn't take a "chode" or a "hater" to call that out.

[xpatplayer]

Fraternity-hate is too common, even amongst "red-pill" men. Yes, we're a bunch of young alcoholics. Yes, we do stupid shit time to time. But no, we don't commit felonies.

My fraternity chapter was one of the craziest in the nation 10 years ago. Our parties were wild, our hazing was bad. But I have never heard a story involving running train. Instead, I've heard stories about girls who never stepped foot inaide the house making false rape allegations which got thrown out because they couldn't even pinpoint the address.

Sad to see so many members white-knight for obvious liars.

[scorpion]

Agastya, you're simply speaking nonsense. You are either hilariously misinformed or you're deliberately lying. The idea that fraternities are torturing pledges with broken glass and having them walk around campus with infected wounds (and now you claim, broken arms) is a ridiculous fantasy.

Let's have a peek at reality, shall we?

http://www.universityherald.com/articles...gation.htm

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/nor...53591.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...h/3514719/

http://time.com/16378/sigma-alpha-epsilo...itiations/

As you can see in these stories, fraternities are in no way above the law and able to get away with the kind of behavior you suggest. To the contrary, fraternities face much more scrutiny than any other organization on campus. Fraternities are regularly suspended simply for having pledges get alcohol poisoning, and if pledges are seriously injured and/or die accidentally due to alcohol and/or hazing, fraternity members can and do face serious felony charges.

So basically, either you're making that story up, or else the guy who told you that story was exaggerating the hazing experience to try to make himself sound tough or something. Shit like that simply does not happen. It literally can't in today's legal environment and with smartphones everywhere.

[Shortest Straw]

Again, I had a slightly different "hearsay": A girlfriend had multiple guys fuck her at frat parties - the most was four - on several different occasions. She was into it.

Of course, she was quite drunk , sometimes blackout drunk, when it happened. Even when blacked out, she wasn't unhappy about it later.

It could be that she is mapping her fantasies onto the situations. I don't know what to believe. What I do know is that only once did she describe any kind of forceful rape - more like a date rape gone forceful - and that didn't even happen at the frat. All the other stuff was consensual or quasi-consensual.

This rush to judgment on the frats reminds me of what the Hell's Angels were involved in. The press was filled with lurid accounts of gruesome scenes in which stinking biker thugs violently plundered innocent young flesh. None of it was true, at least not in the flavor the public imagined. Virtually every party had a gang bang going on, and in virtually every situation the girl was into it. The crossover to rape happened when the girl decided it got to be too many guys, or the Angels stole some money from her, or they humiliated her. Those rape charges basically never stuck. Because there was so much easy sex for the Angels, they simply didn't bother with violent rape. Too difficult, too high risk.

That's why a violent rape like in the RS article doesn't sound right. Maybe Jackie went up with her date, and one more guy joined in, she went along with it, and then another naturally stepped up to take his turn, and she protested, and he told her to shut the fuck up. Maybe she did go to pull a full-on train, and it got out of hand. They aren't going to prove anything. I would at least like witnesses to step forward to corroborate some parts of her story.

Or maybe she's making the whole thing up. Lots of girls fantasize about getting gang banged.


Oh, and regarding the detail about the glass table top: Some are tempered, some are not. A cheaper table (such as in a frat house) would likely be non tempered. I've broken a few in my life, none of them tempered. Also, a tempered top would be much less likely to break, even from a person falling on it. That stuff is wicked strong.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(11-22-2014 01:59 AM)iamdegaussed Wrote:  

The day I hand over my balls and stop trying to have sex on campus is the day they win.

Your advice isn't wrong, it's just not something I can bring myself to do.

There is plenty of things to do - after sex - send her a text: "Got home well, babe? Hope you enjoyed our time as much as I did." Her text back usually disqualifies 99,99% of all potential rape accusations.

College expulsions can be fought and there are even MRA or Manosphere lawyers out there who assist you with that. Video evidence or audio recordings may not be admissible in your state. In that case you simply leak the evidence from an anonymous source like someone recording you. And besides - most rape allegations only destroy the man's reputation - destroy her's in return by leaking such a video. We will see how she will be viewed by her peers when everyone knows that she lied about it. Evidence being admissible or not at court will be the least of her worries.

Men should record all sexual encounters nowadays. Not only it is fun to watch later, but it is our insurance. Audio & Video Recordings, text after - those are the moves to go through - prevents 99,999999% of all false rape accusations.

Cowering sexless in your bunk and playing a Beta Bitch is a lousy way to play the game in college.

[Shortest Straw]

Time magazine reprinted the Rolling Stone article. Completely credulously.

[Aurini]

This is merely a story.

Start with a young man who's been born into wealth; who's been taught to use his p's and q's amongst polite company, but has also grown used to frequenting extremely fancy restaurants where the serving staff are downright slavish in their presentations of the food. Mix an incident which occurred during high school - a criminal violation (drunk driving, or a fist fight maybe) which was whitewashed by his father's powerful connections - as well as promises from 'the old boys club' (really just his father's friends) that he has a bright future ahead of him. Add in a dash of semi-justifable sense of persecution for being a Southerner.

Take that kid and put him in a frat, let him rise to power over other pledges, and grow used to the endless streams of pussy that walk in the front door. The 'law' he is afraid of is his Old Man and the p's and q's of polite society - not the law of regular folk. He's never been a 'regular folk' after all, and these day's his head is too full of booze, coke, and power to even reflect on that.

Mix in a young girl with severe entitlement issues - specifically, the entitlement to safety. She's grown up in a perfect environment where crime never happens (the girls on TV regularly act with extreme bawdiness, and are neither chastised, nor abused for it), and the idea of having 'healthy paranoia' never occurs to her.

While drunk and excited at frat party (in a house that is dirty and disgusting and has spilled beer and broken glass on the floor, but is nonetheless 'really cool') she gets talked into doing a gangbang to show that she 'supports the frat' - one of the sorority sisters eggs her on, telling her it would be 'cool', because she knows if she gets a reputation for bringing drunk sluts over, then she'll gain prestige with the frat.

So the gangbang starts, and some idiot starts making the rape jokes which are so common amongst the frat. The 'frat king' - a spoiled kid, but not an evil one - grasps on to it, and starts ordering the rest of the pledges to 'rape' her. To him it's all just a game; she's just another frat slut.

Now she's getting fucked on a dirty, glass-strewn floor, as all the men chant "rape the bitch!"

The police - a group of men who are not corrupt, but who are quite aware of the realities of power - give her a frank admission: you're unlikely to be victorious with this case. He has lawyers, and you were drunk at a party known for its gangbangs (sort of like a swinger's club, but without the 40 year old dude who ensures that it's all consenting). And in considering her own 'political' situation (there's no fine line between popularity and employment, especially for women) she performs a cost/benefit analysis in the back of her mind, and decides not to prosecute.

*Ahem* Like I said, just a story; I hope it's a semi-plausible one.

I would also hasten to add, the feminists have yet to offer a solution to this. Their proposals always seem to end with innocent men getting accused, and victims for rape-rape getting marginalized.

[Shortest Straw]

And collateral damage:

Here in San Diego, our local press (which is about as professional as a high school student newspaper) has been fanning the flames about the campus rape epidemic.

A recent article breathlessly reported that there have been 14 rapes at SDSU and NOT A SINGLE ARREST! And four of those rapes have been at FRATERNITIES!

The journalists are oblivious to the fact that not every police report results in an arrest. Nor should they; otherwise, I'd be tempted to file police reports left and right just to harass people.

Nonetheless, the SDSU fraternities have suspended social activities:

http://timesofsandiego.com/education/201...picks=true

[Gorgiass]

(11-25-2014 08:26 PM)Shortest Straw Wrote:  

Time magazine reprinted the Rolling Stone article. Completely credulously.

Lame. I guess they're in damage control mode after their "controversial" pieces on feminism this year

http://time.com/3028827/women-against-fe...-it-right/

Quote:

For the most part, Women Against Feminism are quite willing to acknowledge and credit feminism’s past battles for women’s rights in the West, as well as the severe oppression women still suffer in many parts of the world. But they also say that modern Western feminism has become a divisive and sometimes hateful force, a movement that dramatically exaggerates female woes while ignoring men’s problems, stifles dissenting views, and dwells obsessively on men’s misbehavior and women’s personal wrongs. These are trends about which feminists have voiced alarm in the past — including the movement’s founding mother Betty Friedan, who tried in the 1970s to steer feminism from the path of what she called “sex/class warfare.” Friedan would have been aghast had she known that, 50 years after she began her battle, feminist energies were being spent on bashing men who commit the heinous crime of taking too much space on the subway.

http://time.com/3576870/worst-words-poll-2014/

Quote:

feminist: You have nothing against feminism itself, but when did it become a thing that every celebrity had to state their position on whether this word applies to them, like some politician declaring a party? Let’s stick to the issues and quit throwing this label around like ticker tape at a Susan B. Anthony parade.

[Glock]

I attended and graduated from UVA. I lived in C'Ville. I'm a Wahoo. I dated a sorority girl at UVA, although I myself didn't join a fraternity. (In my view, it was a big waste of a lot of money.) I crashed mixers and knew people in the Greek scene.

This Rolling Stone story does not ring true to me and does not match anything I heard or saw at UVA. The suggestion that fraternities at UVA are "rape factories" is ludicrous. Pretty much all those kids were from wealthy families and had their acts together -- extremely high-achieving, intelligent, and civilized people. UVA is also ultra-serious about its honor code. One bad check and you can be expelled.

The fraternities did not have a reputation for engaging in assaults, rape, or anything similar. Anyone who tells you differently is off base. If anything, the culture there is protective of girls who get drunk and can't look out for themselves. The notion that a group of female UVA students would pressure a fellow freshman girl not to report a seven-person multi-hour marathon gang rape (during which the victim is beaten and raped with a bottle on top of broken glass) is beyond ridiculous.

This is going to be the Duke Lacrosse case all over again. Apparently, people learned nothing from that experience.

[Travesty]

(11-26-2014 03:01 PM)Shortest Straw Wrote:  

And collateral damage:

Here in San Diego, our local press (which is about as professional as a high school student newspaper) has been fanning the flames about the campus rape epidemic.

A recent article breathlessly reported that there have been 14 rapes at SDSU and NOT A SINGLE ARREST! And four of those rapes have been at FRATERNITIES!

The journalists are oblivious to the fact that not every police report results in an arrest. Nor should they; otherwise, I'd be tempted to file police reports left and right just to harass people.

Nonetheless, the SDSU fraternities have suspended social activities:

http://timesofsandiego.com/education/201...picks=true

Damn my friend is there in grad school right now.

Shit's spreading.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

That's why the Herschelwood guys acted pre-emptively not only by documenting their exploits with a hoe, but also by uploading the stuff:

http://www.xvideos.com/video1776725/hers...ran_on_her

Since promiscuity and early sexualization of the new "porn" generation is more rampant then ever, we will find many more such scenes happening around the country. Some of those girls will regret their deeds later on, which is still not systematic to rape culture.

If you want to see rape culture, go to Sweden - a country that enacted draconian anti-trick laws, which squeezed the bottom-rung males into ever more desperate behavior patterns:

Quote:

Rape Rate per 100,000 population - rates reported to police

2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010

Germany
10.610.79.99.89.18.88.99.4
Sweden
25.025.241.946.351.859.063.863.5

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2013/11/do...hange.html

This has also been tested in Rhode Island, a couple of years ago, where prostitution was completely de-criminalized and actual rape cases went down instantly.

Forget frat boys or colleges - those are NOT hotbeds of rape, just plenty of regret rape.

[Rutting Elephant]

^ interesting that the figures start at 2003. Other data I've seen correlate the quadrupling of reported rapes from c1990 to Sweden's opening of immigration floodgates.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(11-27-2014 11:22 PM)Glock Wrote:  

I attended and graduated from UVA. I lived in C'Ville. I'm a Wahoo. I dated a sorority girl at UVA, although I myself didn't join a fraternity. (In my view, it was a big waste of a lot of money.) I crashed mixers and knew people in the Greek scene.

This Rolling Stone story does not ring true to me and does not match anything I heard or saw at UVA. The suggestion that fraternities at UVA are "rape factories" is ludicrous. Pretty much all those kids were from wealthy families and had their acts together -- extremely high-achieving, intelligent, and civilized people. UVA is also ultra-serious about its honor code. One bad check and you can be expelled.

The fraternities did not have a reputation for engaging in assaults, rape, or anything similar. Anyone who tells you differently is off base. If anything, the culture there is protective of girls who get drunk and can't look out for themselves. The notion that a group of female UVA students would pressure a fellow freshman girl not to report a seven-person multi-hour marathon gang rape (during which the victim is beaten and raped with a bottle on top of broken glass) is beyond ridiculous.

This is going to be the Duke Lacrosse case all over again. Apparently, people learned nothing from that experience.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(11-27-2014 11:22 PM)Glock Wrote:  

I attended and graduated from UVA. I lived in C'Ville. I'm a Wahoo. I dated a sorority girl at UVA, although I myself didn't join a fraternity. (In my view, it was a big waste of a lot of money.) I crashed mixers and knew people in the Greek scene.

This Rolling Stone story does not ring true to me and does not match anything I heard or saw at UVA. The suggestion that fraternities at UVA are "rape factories" is ludicrous. Pretty much all those kids were from wealthy families and had their acts together -- extremely high-achieving, intelligent, and civilized people. UVA is also ultra-serious about its honor code. One bad check and you can be expelled.

The fraternities did not have a reputation for engaging in assaults, rape, or anything similar. Anyone who tells you differently is off base. If anything, the culture there is protective of girls who get drunk and can't look out for themselves. The notion that a group of female UVA students would pressure a fellow freshman girl not to report a seven-person multi-hour marathon gang rape (during which the victim is beaten and raped with a bottle on top of broken glass) is beyond ridiculous.

This is going to be the Duke Lacrosse case all over again. Apparently, people learned nothing from that experience.

I second this, but with my own experiences at the University of Maryland. I was never in a frat, but funny enough my best friends were fraternity presidents, for ATO and SAE. Most of the guys were academically-inclined and the partying never got that wild.

In fact, some of the guys seemed a bit stuffy or "dad-like," as if they hoped joining a frat might loosen them up. We had much better parties at the college newspaper (where every after-hours production night was an excuse to go wild).

The places where real debauchery went on were:

1). Spring break. Take women out of their environment and remove potential social shaming and they go insane.

2). The "druggie floors" of the dorms. The wildest things I witnesses happened freshman year when I was placed on a floor with a bunch of stoners. Cocaine, grain alcohol, two girls who would actively troll for sex and drugs (yes, I fell victim to their schemes), people tripping on "greens" and vomiting in the hall, nude photo sessions (don't ask), and someone throwing a chair through a lounge window. At least one girl had an abortion first semester and one guy wound up dead because of a drunk driving accident.

There was no forcible sex as far as I knew, but the resident drug dealer, Scott, would regularly trade drugs for sex -- and at least a few girls were willing. (Scott left after first semester, having achieved a 0.00 grade point average since he never attended a class.)

One of the guys who was the biggest instigator of trouble went out one night to a heavy metal bar called Hammerjacks and came back after the dorm doors were locked at 2 a.m. The asshole at the front desk didn't open the door quick enough...so he and his metalhead buddies simply kicked the glass in, opened it, and went to their rooms. Cops soon swarmed the place.

Then there was the night some other maniac was pissed at the same jerk at the front desk for being rude. So, he got a ride home, came back with some tools, and dismantled a round table in the lounge -- which he and some friends rolled down a flight of steps at 3 a.m. while the a-hole was working the front desk. This scared the hell out of the front desk guy (it woke him up) and prompted yet another call to the cops.

I cannot tell a lie. I was the mastermind behind the legendary table-roll-down-the-steps. And it would have gotten me thrown out of a frat had I been in one.

[quino_16]

(11-25-2014 03:43 AM)Agastya Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 10:14 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

You are just like the guy on the last page who insisted that a frat was torturing its pledges with broken glass and having them walk around campus with infected wounds. He was attempting to pass off hearsay as personal evidence, which is exactly what you are doing. What happened is that you heard rumors. You did not witness this firsthand, and you did not even hear about this secondhand as you claim.

Basically, you're full of shit. I don't believe for a second that frat members told you about how they gang raped girls. Get the fuck out of here with your nonsense.

No, I heard that story from an alumnus of that frat. He talked about he himself put pledges through that process. Obviously there's no way for you or I to properly substantiate these rumors, but the story exists, and I have reason to believe it, coming as it did from a member of that fraternity. Not every fraternity on campus does things like that--that particular frat has a fairly gnarly reputation--but the fact that I've heard that story from many people, including frat alumni, suggests that it has happened at least a couple times. I also frequently see that fraternity's pledges running around with scars and broken arms.

The story about being forced to clean piss off the walls is also one I've heard secondhand from a good friend, who, incidentally, saw this happening. He told me how it ended a friendship between him and one of his frat brothers, who forced a pledge to do it.

(11-24-2014 10:14 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

It's absolutely pathetic how many men who undoubtedly consider themselves red pilled are so quick to throw these frats under the bus, based only on ridiculous stories like this and the general urban legends and rumors associated with fraternities in general, the vast majority of which are nothing but fantasies concocted by jealous haters outside the Greek system. It's literally the exact same mindset of betas and chumps who sit around shit talking about alphas and players, spreading rumors to girls that they are rapists and have STDs, etc... Guys like this are haters and clowns, period. Pure chodes.

No, you're uncomfortable with admitting that there are aspects of Greek life that are objectively degrading. Club sports at my school includes the rowing team, the rugby team, the hockey team, and the water polo team. We all party, we all fuck our female counterparts(among others), and, incidentally, plenty of us have friends within Greek life or participate in it ourselves. Everyone, including the Greeks I personally know, agree that there are lot of fake, degrading aspects to the Greek system. I don't think they should be persecuted at all; if pledges are willing to clean human feces off of someone's wall, that's their prerogative. And plenty of guys do get great opportunities from being in a fraternity, not to mention the avalanche of pussy that I've seen some of my friends receive. In some fraternities, the benefits outweigh the negatives. In others, though, that's not the case, and it doesn't take a "chode" or a "hater" to call that out.

Agastya and I go to the same school and I can attest that the story about the broken glass exists. Having said that though, I don't believe half of the things that frat bros say. Almost all of them exaggerate about the different aspects of Greek life. I say this as someone who actually pledged a frat but dropped and have/had friends in other frats on campus. I think that GGL's series of articles about Greek life are accurate for the most part. Overall, Greek life is cool and it has its perks but some people really take it too seriously and define themselves sorely based on being in frat.

Also, what Agastya said is true. Some of the guys who haze the pledges seem to get a power rush from it and try treat the pledges even worse.

[Lord_Perseus]

Quote:

Rape Rate per 100,000 population - rates reported to police

2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010

Germany
10.6 10.7 9.9 9.8 9.1 8.8 8.9 9.4
Sweden
25.0 25.2 41.9 46.3 51.8 59.0 63.8 63.5


http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2013/11/do...hange.html

While the institutionalized radical feminism that has enacted the harsh anti-prostitution laws in place is a factor for the rates of rape in Sweden, a much bigger cause is that Sweden is the widespread infestation of Muslim immigrants who refuse to assimilate into western society & have turned large sections of the country into no go zones for authorities that are ruled by Sharia law.

Muslims raped over 300 Swedish children and 700 women in first 7 months of 2013
http://www.whyileftsweden.com/?p=409

Muslims represented in as many as 77 percent of the rape cases
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenf...rease-500/

[The Lizard of Oz]

(11-29-2014 08:21 PM)Lord_Perseus Wrote:  

Quote:

Rape Rate per 100,000 population - rates reported to police

2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010

Germany
10.6 10.7 9.9 9.8 9.1 8.8 8.9 9.4
Sweden
25.0 25.2 41.9 46.3 51.8 59.0 63.8 63.5


http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2013/11/do...hange.html

While the institutionalized radical feminism that has enacted the harsh anti-prostitution laws in place is a factor for the rates of rape in Sweden, a much bigger cause is that Sweden is the widespread infestation of Muslim immigrants who refuse to assimilate into western society & have turned large sections of the country into no go zones for authorities that are ruled by Sharia law.

Muslims raped over 300 Swedish children and 700 women in first 7 months of 2013
http://www.whyileftsweden.com/?p=409

Muslims represented in as many as 77 percent of the rape cases
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenf...rease-500/

These Swedish numbers are completely insane and I don't believe them for a second.

You really have to stop and think about these claims. They are saying truly outrageous things, such as "Sweden has the second highest rate of rape in the world after Nigeria" (!!), and elsewhere they are claiming that there were 5 rapes a day in Stockholm during the summer of 2012. Finally, they extrapolate to reach the conclusion that 1 out of every 4 women in Sweden will be raped.

All I can say to that is: LOL. Unless there is a Congo-style all out war going on in Stockholm that no one bothers to talk about, the idea that 5 women are "raped" there day in day out is outrageous lunacy. Enough of this crazed and out of control rape inflation, whether its purpose is to impugn white dudes on US college campuses, or Muslim immigrants in Stockholm, or anyone else. I don't know how they come by these outrageous numbers (I do know that Sweden massively expanded their definition of "rape" in 2005, so maybe every time a dude looks at a bitch it can be reported as rape) but however it may be, all I know is that they have nothing to do with reality.

Seriously, I'm getting sick and tired of this endless perpetuation of absurdities, of the 1 in 5 coeds "assaulted" here and 1 of 4 Swedish bitches "raped" there. Enough is enough!

[Dusty]

People are starting to doubt this story:

Is the Rolling Stone Story True?

[The Lizard of Oz]

(11-29-2014 10:05 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

People are starting to doubt this story:

Is the Rolling Stone Story True?

Yeah well they should fucking "doubt" it because this story is an obvious piece of fiction. As I said before, it reads like contemporary female fiction both in outline and in every detail. It defies credulity in every line.

What is more interesting to me is why so many intelligent guys in this thread took it seriously even for a second. And I think the reason for this is the terrible power that narrative holds over the human mind.

If someone makes a bald assertion, people are not particularly inclined to believe it -- they are often dubious. But if someone tells a story, especially one that has some structure, narrative development, recurring characters, and specificity and continuity of detail, we are very strongly inclined to take it at face value. Narrative is so central in human cognition and we are so thirsty to consume it, that it takes a real act of will to pause and consider the possibility that it is a lie, spun out of the whole cloth.

That is why con men, trolls, and liars in general are so successful: they know that there is no special trick to it, just tell a story, any story and as long as it is sufficiently structured, continuous, and detailed, with names and places and a few specifications, it will be believed by almost anyone. And that is exactly what we're seeing here.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Here is a remarkable comment from the post that Dusty linked to:

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UVa
11/29/2014 10:12 pm

As a UVa student who has heard this girl speak, in person, about her experiences close to a year before this story was published, I can say with most certainty that it’s not “cock and bull.” Did the author exaggerate in her telling? Perhaps. But could a girl walk out of a fraternity party after gang rape looking traumatized and disheveled to all hell and have no one notice? Easily. Its a packed house full of college students who are drunk to oblivion and focused only upon themselves and their intoxication. It’s the easiest thing to escape unnoticed. This fraternity house has bedrooms upstairs, and multiple floors, so it would easily go unnoticed by a party packed with hundreds of people on the lower floors. Rape and sexual assault are the most underreported crimes in the country, so it shouldn’t be surprising that she didn’t go to the police and wasn’t able to talk about it. Many victims cannot talk about these things years later. Are some details of this account wrong? It seems that way. But calling such blatant bs seems disrespectful. Skepticism is usually warranted (and this was admittedly bad journalism), but in the case of sexual assault, this attitude needs to change, because most women would never lie about being raped. Are there exceptions? Sure. But what does this poor girl have to gain if she never asked for anything in the first place? She’s never revealed her identity except to the few involved in One Less — the female advocacy group for victims of sexual assault at UVa, never asked for justice, stands to gain little from this article except, hopefully, long term change in the way such crimes are handled. Change is the end goal of this article, and if any have been monitoring the news at UVa, there’s been so much positive action already.

This comment is likely written by the author of the original RS article, or an ally of the author. It exposes the dreadful essence of the people we are dealing with: utter disregard for truth, and a passionate love of the lie.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(11-29-2014 07:41 PM)quino_16 Wrote:  

Agastya and I go to the same school and I can attest that the story about the broken glass exists.

While I'm on this theme, can you please tell us what it means that the story "exists"?

Clearly it "exists" at least on this thread. The story of Cinderella "exists", too. That doesn't make it true.

Just because there is some wild rumor about a frat torturing someone with broken glass, does not mean that it actually happened.