[SheriffBart]

The context from which I'm writing this is having lived in Russia the last 10 weeks and feeling removed culturally from the land of the SJW. This affords me a certain level of perspective and detachment.

Engaging the SJW is a mistake. Forget your fireteam. All you're doing is giving them validation and status beyond what they deserve. At their core, the SJW is intellectually and emotionally child-like. Their fits and outbursts should be confidently and swifly dismissed and ignored for the trifle that they are.

The main reason why I believe this is that the SJW is its own worst enemy. Their philosophy is so inane that the best thing that could happen is that it be allowed to spread as far and wide as possible. That's when people outside this little corner of the internet will get a big strong whiff of it. Those are the people that you need to recruit to ultimately defeat these morons. Let them run wild. Let their hands be free to collect the rope they will ultimately hang themselves with.

It's not like you've done anything to stop feminists in the last 40 years anyways. People are now rejecting feminism because it's been allowed to get to its endgame. War on women Democrats got smoked in the last election. It wasn't because of the Manosphere. It was because the absurdity of their claims finally were exposed by the daylight of reality.

28 Harvard law professors came out against campus rape investigation procedures. This included Alan Dershowitz, who argued that these standards preclude innocence being a defense. These are real victories that threaten to discredit retarded philosophies like Feminism.

There's an argumental tool called reduction ad absurdum. It works by showing how an argument is false by reasoning out an absurd conclusion that would necessarily follow its logic. In the case of feminists and SJWs, their arguments are reaching these absurd conclusions in everyday life for everyone to see. Just let it happen. Seeing concrete evidence of their immorality and failures is what will really push the public away from SWJs. Essentially, all you have to do to defeat them is nothing.

[Ocelot]

I strongly disagree. The only time there is noticeable pushback against anything SJWs do is when they overstep the mark due to their own arrogance/stupidity. They still control all the institutions, the media, the government and the corporate sphere. It's all very well noticing that feminism is deleterious to the very societal conditions it needs to prosper, but to then say "it's OK, it will destroy itself" is naive to the extreme. What you're encouraging is societal collapse, which is not the romantic adventure it sounds. Alongside mass violence and starvation, you will get to see the most evil and extreme philosophies surge as people look for something, anything to act as a messiah, a bulwark against the tide of chaos. It's my belief that this is the exact reason feminism was invented in the first place. They are useful idiots designed to disrupt the channels from which power in the old system flows, to create channels of their own and to introduce inefficiency into the workings of that system. Ultimately their goal is to cause societal collapse, for the purpose of a power grab by much more Orwellian parties.

I've posted it several times already, but this was one of the most interesting videos on the subject I watched, by defected KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov:

If you don't deal with feminism and its related subversive ideologies now, it will become increasingly difficult to do so as time marches by. Eventually, it will be too late and, as with the Weimar republic, it will be a contest between extreme ideologies like Nazism and Communism as to who takes the reigns.

Getting rid of feminism right now is an actionable proposition.

You are right that "engaging the SJW is a mistake", in as much as they are not authentic agents, so engaging them directly is useless. You cannot argue with them logically, because even if they weren't hyper-reactive, fragile and emotional, their motives are ulterior. Going back to the original point, what has damaged them the most in recent times is their overstepping the mark and the related tendency of supporting any of their followers, no matter how reprehensible their behaviour (because they innately know "something that weakens the power of one us weakens the power of all of us"). It follows then that a good strategic move is to infiltrate their groups and encourage them to create more Matt Taylors, so that the pushback overtakes any progress they make. If the anti-SJW movement can gain enough support, and enough of them can be removed from positions of power as sensibility-enforcers, the average man will be in a much better position to speak out against this vile ideology without risking his career being ruined. Remember, we are only in the same position these people were in the 60s. All the institutions belonged to us, none of the institutions belonged to them.

One of the most powerful effects of demoralisation is to make your opponents believe their cause isn't actionable - that your victory is inevitable, or at the very least that there is no point in opposition. It's why the KGB invested so much money in promoting religious figures in America that focused on achieving inner spiritual peace over taking positive action in the real world during the Cold War. It might seem like a poor use of resources, but things like this have a big impact on the will to resist of your enemies, which is a critical part of subversive warfare.

I am assuming that you are an authentic poster acting in good faith, in which case my message is this: don't allow yourself to become demoralised. Thinking apathetically is still thinking emotionally, and the second you stop and think rationally, destroying SJWs becomes a perfectly actionable proposition.

Sorry for the long post.

Ocelot

EDIT: if you want to know what societal collapse looks like, here's a brilliant account by someone who lived through the collapse in Bosnia. This is why I choose to act now, not in twenty years.

[Nemencine]

@SHERIFFBART,

With all due respect, this is ill-advised.

In these kind of situation, a good offence is the best defence.

Whoever controls the narrative, wins. It is not about who is right or who is wrong, it is about who appears strong or weak.

Case studies? Look at my experience dealing with these clowns in the workplace: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-25624-...#pid486113

My problem with your above advice is that, they are all conjectures. Things you *imagine* should be the case... not something you actually had *practical* experience with. Let me ask you: How many run-ins have you had with SJW and their ilk? How did you successfully handled it?

If you had actual dealings with these vermins, you will know that the only defence is pure offence.

People will keep fucking with you, until you've raised the cost of them fucking with you. That is literally one of the first rule of the universe. If they do not pay a price for coming after you, why would they back off?

You are using all these fine-sounding analogies and expressions when describing the SJW, then you took it to another level: thinking these cute analogies should determine the course of action... sir, you are grossly mistaken. I will have to ask at this point, have you fought bullies before while growing up?

The only way to deal with bullies, is to go on the offence. You can't deal with bullies by "ignoring them" or "agreeing and amplifying" or "floating above the fray" or whatever passive, non-reacting course of action....and SJW are bullies.

In fact, you don't have to take my word for it, you can observe this in real-time by contrasting the way MikeCF handled the SJW versus the way Julien Blanc/RSD handled the SJW. And look at the different results yielded.

And yet, despite seeing all these in real-time, seeing the positive effect of MikeCF's aggressive moves; you still cling to the policy of non-aggressive countermeasures... dressing it all up in some fine-sounding analogies, as if that have any bearing on the hard fact of reality. It makes no sense to me.

Engaging SJW is NOT a mistake. It all depends on HOW you choose to engage them. When you engage them, make sure it hurts. If you do not fight back, people will simply push you around. That fact of life is so blatantly obvious, i don't know how anybody will advise the opposite. And one last thing: Roosh's idea of a fireteam is not a mistake, it is actually a good business idea(much better than his video-game journalism idea) in my opinion..


regards,

Nemencine

[Nemencine]

double post. DELETE. check above ^^^

[Foolsgo1d]

Quote:

The main reason why I believe this is that the SJW is its own worst enemy. Their philosophy is so inane that the best thing that could happen is that it be allowed to spread as far and wide as possible. That's when people outside this little corner of the internet will get a big strong whiff of it. Those are the people that you need to recruit to ultimately defeat these morons. Let them run wild. Let their hands be free to collect the rope they will ultimately hang themselves with.

So how many men and children will be thrown under the bus before society realises the SWJ toxin?

We have bigger issues now which have been consistent over the years and nobody gives a shit.

All of this "battle" is taking place on the internet and when it is reported on the MSM goes for the female friendly view and no male-led force will be taken seriously. So what if men get thrown in jail for not paying alimony?; this will be their response.

The MSM will report how rapes are not being reported, how children are suffering because fathers leave the home due to splits. None of the real reasons are ever published because it does not sell to their readership.

It should be done to get them fired and lose money.

[Duke Castile]

I've witnessed feminism spread into SEA in just a year.

Women there think American women are "independant" and "strong" and they look up to them in many cases. They don't see all the terrible shit its doing to society.

It's not going to burn itself out, it's going to keep spreading unless it's stopped.

[SheriffBart]

@Ocelot

We're actually closer than you think with your 'overstepping the mark' and my 'let them hang themselves'. We both see the situations which are really hurting and discrediting their cause. I've watched that entire video before. Everyone should, it's enlightening.

However, I must criticize your reply. I believe you're mischaracterizing my argument. You've inferred from my original post that I desire societal collapse. It's entirely possible that we can experience the full force of feminism, reject it based on the experience, and revert back to a healthier state without societal collapse. That is the optimistic side of the endgame coin. And I'm starting to see the beginnings of that, but I don't rule out societal collapse. I just don't believe that 50 years into a losing battle with feminism/SJWs that we're suddenly going to execute some actionable proposition. You admit yourself that their biggest defeats come at their own hands. All I'm saying is let them make some more mistakes until their track record speaks horribly for itself. If we could have won the culture war ideologically, I think we'd have more to show for it, but the bottom line is that no one cares when men complain or suffer. It's human nature. It's only when they overstep the mark enough that people at large will realize feminism is just the girl who cried wolf.

@Nemecine

There are two types of situations. Dealing with SJWs in general and dealing with a bunch of SJWs crusading against you personally. In the first, I stand by my opinion. I wouldn't waste my time trying to battle them.

But let's look at what you're referring to, personal bullying. I don't know the MikeCF situation but I don't really think his actions are very germane to the topic unless his identity is known and he has something to lose by being brought under the SJW microscope. Enlighten me if it's relevant.

We can both agree that prostrating oneself like Julien Blanc or the scientist with the shirt covered in girls is a mistake. That is appearing weak. However, depending on the situation, there are many ways to look strong. What could that scientist have done differently? He could have gone on the offensive. What does that look like? Calling out feminist hypocrisy, twitter wars, and the like. Is that really a smart move? Is that a winnable battle? Explain to me how you win that and I'll concede. Or should he just ignore this nonsense and go about being a scientist and let his achievements speak for him. In my mind, engaging these twits on any level is an automatic loss. You're moving into their frame and validating them. If you agree with them, you lose. If you disagree, you lose because you only give them what they want, a chance to be more outraged and hysterical. I believe it's a bit like War Games. The only winning move is not to play.

How about Bill Cosby? What should he do right now? 30 year old rape accusations that could never possibly be proven. He's under a media driven witch hunt and SJW meme attack. What offensive strategy is available to him? I think he's doing the right thing by not dignifying this bullshit with a response. Starve the beast. The more you say in the SJW kangaroo court, the more you just incriminate yourself. He looks as strong as he possibly could from where I'm standing and has done nothing but let his lawyers make a response statement. And this shit will pass in a few days because the SJWs have nothing to feed this outrage. He's giving them nothing. They'll have no choice but to move on to the next outrage. That's a win for Cosby as far as I see it.

[Sombro]

They are their worst enemies, but ignoring them is not an option -- the media will jump on whatever manufactured outrage they dream up, the story grows to outlandish proportions, and then there is actual damage, affecting jobs, reputations, livelihoods -- even dignity, like "shirt guy."

Their outrage needs to be nipped in the bud.
Ridicule is a powerful weapon. Early and often. Even agree and amplify to illustrate their folly.

[TheWastelander]

While they hang themselves we should actively be pulling on their legs.

[Onto]

OP: What will happen is the masculine will eventually respond. It already is really. Where do you think the Manosphere came from?

Hopefully it will be a developed response and not a reactionary one as feminism was, because if it is it could be quite scary.

[Ocelot]

(11-18-2014 03:56 PM)SheriffBart Wrote:  

@Ocelot

We're actually closer than you think with your 'overstepping the mark' and my 'let them hang themselves'.

I advocate "help them hang themselves", or just straight up "destroy them", at every possible opportunity, so we're clear.

(11-18-2014 03:56 PM)SheriffBart Wrote:  

However, I must criticize your reply. I believe you're mischaracterizing my argument. You've inferred from my original post that I desire societal collapse. It's entirely possible that we can experience the full force of feminism, reject it based on the experience, and revert back to a healthier state without societal collapse. That is the optimistic side of the endgame coin.

To be fair this is indeed another possibility. It just doesn't seem likely at all based on what I've seen so far, and I don't like leaving things to chance.

(11-18-2014 03:56 PM)SheriffBart Wrote:  

There are two types of situations. Dealing with SJWs in general and dealing with a bunch of SJWs crusading against you personally. In the first, I stand by my opinion. I wouldn't waste my time trying to battle them.

This is understandable: your time is a scarce resource, and it's unwise to devote too much energy to drawn out battles you don't benefit from. However, these two things aren't necessarily distinct. The constant witch hunts, for instance, only happen because nobody has made examples of any SJWs yet. I've said this several times, if there was a task force dedicated to ruining the lives of those who instigate witch hunts by any means necessary*, they would stop within a month. These are not brave or resilient people, they just need to be put in their fucking place. Note how this would be a very small battle that would greatly curtail the power of all SJWs, permanently. This is the kind of action I'm taking about taking.

*within the boundaries of the law, obviously.

(11-18-2014 03:56 PM)SheriffBart Wrote:  

We can both agree that prostrating oneself like Julien Blanc or the scientist with the shirt covered in girls is a mistake. That is appearing weak. However, depending on the situation, there are many ways to look strong. What could that scientist have done differently? He could have gone on the offensive. What does that look like? Calling out feminist hypocrisy, twitter wars, and the like. Is that really a smart move?

You are correct, the way Matt Taylor behaved was the most damaging to their cause possible; the opposite of what I would have predicted. He's not the party that should be going on the attack at this point, however: we are. Right now is the time to win tens of thousands of people's hearts from feminism. Most feminists came out in support of the harpy that attacked Matt over his shirt, because it's their tried and tested modus operandi. This is a big mistake on their part, and can be exploited to great effect. At this point in the war, we need to be getting intelligent people and opinion makers on our side. This is critically important to turning the tide on feminism, and events like #shirtstorm are an opportunity in this regard which shouldn't be ignored.

Understand that any action we take doesn't have to be resource-intensive or a massive time drain, despite the hugely disadvantaged position we're fighting from. The trick is to fight smart, and to get other people to fight for you. The "intelligentsia" behind feminism's rise was only a very small group of people, it should only take a small group of smart people to stop them. Once you start getting intelligent but impassioned people on your side, and even just straight up useful idiots, they'll do the heavy lifting for you.

If we continue to let them subvert every cause that emerges on our side, whilst not engaging in any psy-ops of our own, however, we will lose.

To summarise, my plan of attack would be:

1) cripple their shock troopers (end the witch hunts)
2) recruit, recruit, recruit
3) psy-ops, subvert and destroy, drive them to more extreme positions from within - this feeds back into 2), which combined with 1) would suddenly give you a large body of people both willing and able to attack feminism.
4) watch it all burn. Just according to keikaku.

[Sonsowey]

Are we living in a golden age of internet fighting? I dare say yes. In ten years we will look back and say "wow, these internet foghts sure arent what they used to be"

[el mechanico]

I had to do some research into what this is.

I agree the point to ignore them as they are losers online.

I do think though in this age you can do something you think is normal and get hit with a charge because we ignore them and get blindsided.

I'm not sure if they are orginized though but think if any random fat chick can have a voice it's a problem if there's an audience willing to fight it out.

As for me.. I'm fixing cars and never run into any of this crap in life

[ABCDEFGH]

That is a bit of a risk to run. If they keep indoctrinating people and gaining more influence then the situation you propose may never arrive.

I would say it's a better idea to instigate them now before the problem gets more out of hand.

[Lemmo]

That strategy (ignoring them) is fine and well advised as long as you're just talking about random fringe dwellers whose activities are largely limited to ranting on the internet. To do otherwise is to treat them as someone of significance. But when they try to enter the real world and actively influence or become involved in business, government, schools or other institutions where they can directly affect lives, they need to be strongly attacked.

[Kingsley Davis]

(11-18-2014 07:15 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I had to do some research into what this is.

I agree the point to ignore them as they are losers online.

I do think though in this age you can do something you think is normal and get hit with a charge because we ignore them and get blindsided.

I'm not sure if they are orginized though but think if any random fat chick can have a voice it's a problem if there's an audience willing to fight it out.

As for me.. I'm fixing cars and never run into any of this crap in life

"I'm fixing cars and never run into any of this crap in life"

Fixing cars is low status and you reside in Florida so you're not on these retards radar.

[el mechanico]

(11-19-2014 02:58 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 07:15 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I had to do some research into what this is.

I agree the point to ignore them as they are losers online.

I do think though in this age you can do something you think is normal and get hit with a charge because we ignore them and get blindsided.

I'm not sure if they are orginized though but think if any random fat chick can have a voice it's a problem if there's an audience willing to fight it out.

As for me.. I'm fixing cars and never run into any of this crap in life

"I'm fixing cars and never run into any of this crap in life"

Fixing cars is low status and you reside in Florida so you're not on these retards radar.

[LeBeau]

One of the issues with "waiting for the end times" rather than actively trying to change laws/raise awareness, is that in the meantime, many innocent men get locked up, lose their jobs, have their reputations ruined, etc.