[shotgun]

(11-08-2014 02:14 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

If you just want to change the scenery and sleep with a bunch of foreign brazilian girls, then it's definitely Sao Paulo.

Corrected. SP is hardly a good place for collecting different flags, although you have some ethnic variety (i.e. mediterranean, japanese, black) and girls from all over the country. London is much better in that regard.

[Brodiaga]

(11-08-2014 04:02 PM)shotgun Wrote:  

Corrected. SP is hardly a good place for collecting different flags, although you have some ethnic variety (i.e. mediterranean, japanese, black) and girls from all over the country. London is much better in that regard.

It's better if you have the money to live in a nice neighborhood AND the game to pull them. Getting girls in London is more difficult even compared to the US.

[Kissinger2014]

My job also allows for relocation and has several hundred positions overseas. I too was thinking about Sao Paulo about two years ago. Before signing up for a full relocation, I decided to do a two week temporary assignment. Long story, short: It was one of the most disappointing places I've visited.

Reasons:
1. Cost. Mind you the currency has depreciated a bit in two years, but when I went there it was one of the most expensive places I've ever visited (yes, more than London). Especially for what's in my typical goods basket: whisky, Red Bull, and satiating, good take-out ethnic food.
2. Traffic. Oppressive is the only way to describe Sao Paulo traffic. If you have any commute that starts after 8 am and ends after 4 pm, be prepared to spend a few hours a day in traffic. I was going to meet a friend for a drink about a mile from her job. It took her 90 minutes to get to me. Another time I wanted to check out a bar 5 km away; it took 50 minutes and cost me $27.
3. Language. For a cosmopolitan place, one of the lowest English rates I've visited. Makes gaming and life in general that much more challenging.
4. Women. Of course they are above average, but, in my opinion, over-rated. They sell their goods very well, with tight jeans and make-up. Maybe they had this mythical status for me before I arrived that was shattered, but I was disappointed.

I'm not saying London is a perfect place, and I've only visited 3 or 4 times for a few days each time. But the city has this amazing charm. There are places to get great kabobs for $4. It's very international. Tube runs everywhere. And like others have mentioned, it's a jumping off point for the rest of Europe.

If you have some savings and a little vacation time, go visit both, or at least one, before making a very important decision.

[The Beast1]

(11-08-2014 02:14 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 09:50 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

Yeah that's what i'm feeling too. I should say, bars and clubs aren't my scene anymore (an RvFer not clubbing you say?!). I like to be in bed by 10pm haha.

The posts here are great and I appreciate the insights. I'll wait to hear back on what type of package i'd get.

I don't know what industry you are in, but I don't see how working in London would be better for your career than working in Sao Paulo unless you are in Investment Banking, Hedge Funds, Insurance or something similar where London-based companies play a big part.

My knowledge of Sao Paulo is very limited, but what I do know is that there are beautiful girls out there you can meet during the day. You don't have to go to clubs and bars late at night to meet them.

Although Sao Paulo is quite expensive, London is more so, particularly when it comes to housing which is, except for the luxury segment, total shit. For $60K/year salary, you will either share an apartment in a decent neighborhood or rent a shitty apartment in a boring "working class" neighborhood where most girls are ugly and fat.

Bottom line, if you are interested in Europe and want to settle there eventually, then London may be a better option because you can explore other European cities from there. If you just want to change the scenery and sleep with a bunch of foreign girls, then it's definitely Sao Paulo.

Without revealing too much about the company I work for, lets just say it is a very large media conglomerate that has its headquarters in London. This relocation would be considered a promotion with the same title as my responsibilities will be to assist the local teams in three different offices with the release of a new internal software package we're deploying worldwide.

This decision I have to make is one of those potential life changing decisions road less traveled things. I'm in that preliminary run it past people with more experience than me phase. I already talked to my dad about it, I figured I'd run it past you guys too.

My gut is saying go to London since that is where the big wigs are at if I want to keep playing the corporate game.

Although, for the sheer adventure aspect Sao Paulo rings just as much. Hot women, warm weather, budding aspirational third world power climbing up in the world. You always hear about North America, Europe, and Asia. South America always flies under the radar.

I've never been to South America, let alone Brazil. I respect quite a bit of the gents here on the forum and the stories seem amazing. Doing something like this is a life changing for sure.

(11-08-2014 12:11 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

So you wanna be in bed at 10pm and bars and clubs not your scene.
What is your scene ? day game?
If so no point going to brazil.

I don't understand why u are hesitating to make a choice between these 2 cities. They are completely different. Pretty obvious to everyone I think.

Well it's a culture thing. I'm not sure if the person I am would do well in Sao Paulo. I was under the impression caveman/machismo behavior was what flew there. Obviously not everyone is like that, but unfortunately my personality is far more laid back. Day and social circle game are where I shine and i'm more into mini to long term relationships than spinning plates at this juncture in my life.

I'm the most charming during the day for some reason. My night game has always sucked unless I get black out drunk. Caveman game for me is asking for someone to punch me in the face.

I've been spending a lot of time focusing on my personal fitness which doesn't leave a lot of room for staying up late for drinking. In fact, I haven't had a drink in quite a long time.

What's the public transportation like in SP? I would like to avoid owning and driving a car.

[Seamus]

I've only been to London as a kid, but I lived and worked in Sao Paulo for a while, so I'll offer my two cents.

Women
SP women are fantastic, but you need to take a couple of things into consideration:

How committed are you to learning Portuguese? If you're relying on meeting women on the street or in the bars, you'll need to speak passable Portuguese, as even the girls who speak decent English are shy about it. That said, if you already speak Spanish you'll be off to a running start. Learning the language is half the fun though. As many guys here can attest, there's nothing quite like gaming a girl in a foreign tongue, and Portuguese is a beautiful language. Maybe it will be useful for your career down the road, who knows.

What kind of women are you looking for? The guys who love Brazil are the guys who love thick latina women with big asses. Of course there is diversity, but not as much as you're going to see in London I imagine.

The women are very approachable, and seem to dig foreigners. Outside of Colombia, SP was the easiest place to get laid I've ever been in. I am a tall white guy, as a disclaimer.

Cost of living
People like to talk about how expensive SP is, but I didn't see it. I paid $500 a month for a room in a shared apartment in Vila Madalena, in my opinion the best neighborhood in the city to live. The apartment had a gigantic kitchen, a terrace, living room with big screen TV, and a maid who came in and cleaned/did laundry once a week. For comparisons sake, I currently pay $1400 a month in NYC for a shared apartment that's about 1/5 the size.

The metro is just over $1 a ride, which is also cheap.

Public Transportation
It's true that traffic can be quite bad, but this shouldn't be an issue for you. You've already said you don't want a car, and I imagine your office is located near a subway line. The SP metro is pretty damn good, one of the better ones I've been on. It can get congested for sure, but that's the case in most major cities, and the somewhat limited reach shouldn't matter since you'll be living near a metro stop. I lived in Vila Madalena and worked in the city center, and my commute was about 20 minutes each way.

Nightlife
You've already said you're not a club guy. Luckily, SP has an amazing bar scene, especially in Vila Madalena. Someone upthread said that VM isn't great for a guy trying to pick up, but I strongly disagree. I lived just off the main drag, and about every other day would swing by in the evening to pick up. There aren't open container laws, so it is essentially just one gigantic street party, with constant groups of girls walking around by themselves on the weekends. I got most of my bangs by just opening them in broken Portuguese on the street and taking it from there.

Culture / Entertainment
I'm sure London has SP beat here, but there is still tons of stuff to do. SP has great parks, a top notch graffiti scene, and of course constant soccer games to attend. I never made it to the museums, but I've heard good things there as well. The bottom line is it's a huge city, so you'll be able to find your niche.

[champ]

I've only spent about 2 days in London, but I've spent 1/2 of the last 3 years in São Paulo. Some considerations that will help you with your decision:

-R$ 150k is plenty. You can have a nice place, in a nice neighborhood, and live very comfortably on R$ 8k per month.

-Will be interesting to see how the offer comes in. For the company to pay you R$ 150k in Brazil it will cost them about 50% more than to pay you $ 60k in the US, with all the bullshit taxes they throw on the company.

-R$ 150k is senior manager pay (possibly even director level at a small co).

-Given the 2 points above don't be shocked if the offer comes in lower. If it comes in at 150k don't let that number get out to your Brazilian co-workers who are making a shit ton less (unless you are actually a senior manager / director).

-Since you say it's a multinational media company I'm guessing your office will be on Av Paulista. Like others say, living a walking distance to the office is a huge bonus in SP, and if your on Av Paulista you're in a choice area. Either live in Jardins or Consolação (which is a bit less expensive, and has more of a bohemian, artsy feel).

-Your company better make sure they know what they're getting into. Everything will take twice as long and be twice as expensive as they think. A good, local, General Manager / Country Head is essential.

[LaPastillaRoja]

Having lived in London for 4 years on and off I wanted to paint you a picture of what the situation is here.

I enjoy London, so the following should be read without assuming I'm trying to talk you out of it, I just want to present the facts vs. what I imagine SP is like.

Housing: According to recent articles in The Guardian & The Telegraph London has become the most expensive city on Earth, passing Hong Kong. One only has to look at the skyrocketing rent prices to see that this is evident. I assume if you come to London you will want your own place. Bottom of the barrel one bedroom apartments anywhere in central or near central London will cost roughly £1300 per month excluding bills,council tax, etc. which is close to $2,000. These prices are predicted to continue to skyrocket. This is a result of rich arabs, russians, and chinese buying up every bit of property they can get their hands on. I imagine with half that rent (£650) you could have an amazing pad in SP.

Transport: I've been on public transport in large cities on may occasions (Barcelona's Metro, Bogotá's Transmilenio, Chicago's L) and I cannot imagine that São Paulo's metro would even come close to being as packed as the sweaty hellhole that is the Northern Line around Bank on a Monday morning. On top of that, London's transport is excessively expensive. A monthly tube pass for just zones 1&2 is £120, and thats assuming you live in the centre. Someone earlier said that a single trip on SP's metro costs you $1.

Living Costs: On top of the rent & the transport everything is just expensive here. Pints in a no frills pub hover around £4 a go, a burger & chips in that same pub is £10. The only reason I bring this up is when you think of how much you are spending on these things, especially in dollars, you start to go "holy shit, I've just paid $30 for a shitty burger and 2 beers" I imagine living costs to be much lower in SP.

Positives: London is in my opinion the true centre of the world. There are people from every corner in the globe that have settled here and the city is thriving. There are so many things to do here you can honestly find something cool and unique to do every single weekend and you'll still be discovering things actively, I know this from experience. The British girls are dogs, most people realise this, but there are girls here from all over the world and across any demographic, so you're really spoiled for choice. Fancy a Latina girl? head down to Vauxhall, Black girls your thing? Go to Brixton, Like the Aussies? Clapham & Shepherds Bush is full of them. Any kind of food you could ever want, from Peruvian to Polish. All these things and so much more are on offer, but you have to have the cash to be able to enjoy it.

I personally would prefer to live like a prince in São Paulo than live like a pauper in London, but it depends on what you're looking for. Also the weather in London is shit, at least in SP if it's shitty you have the option of renting a car and going to the beach. If you or any other RVF guys do decide to choose to move or visit London send me a PM and I'd be happy to show you around.

[The Beast1]

Ugh! This is very hard. For the record, if I move to Sao Paulo becoming fluent in Portuguese is a requirement. I love warm weather and seeing some of the pictures of Brazillian girls here on the forum make the split 50/50.

I guess it is all coming down to what type of package my company is willing to offer. For the record, 150k real is $~60,000 give or take the equivalent of my salary here in the states. I don't know how international corporations dodge taxes.

As you said LaPastillaRoja, i'd rather live like a king than a pauper. Their SP office looks to be Napa de Baxio. Does anyone know anything about that place?

[Americas]

Becoming fluent in Portuguese would take multiple years.

[rudebwoy]

All what is said about London is true, but I know guys who are considered lower class and the are getting ass. I found girls don't expect you to have your own place like say Toronto.
Taking a date to a place like Nandos is considered normal in London, I would get laughed at in my city.
What I am saying is the bar is low and high in London, most people are struggling. Just check out Primark ( UK Walmart ) which is packed to the gills with women trying to buy designer knock-offs.
I lived there and made as little as £25k per annum, I don't feel it hindered me. So I couldn't get into a posh club in Regent st.
I could fly to Sweden, Hungary, Czech Republic on a regular basis to date girls I could dream off in North America.

SP is lovely I am sure, but I get this sense that there are certain girls you can't date of a certain level. I had a buddy who moved there and thought the pussy was going to rain, he got frustrated as he was only able to deal with a certain class of girl.
Another thing is where do people of SP escape too besides the beach on weekends?

[Brosemite]

(11-08-2014 08:27 PM)Americas Wrote:  

Becoming fluent in Portuguese would take multiple years.

It could be done in 5-8 months. It really depends on the study material, book, practice partners, and time involved with verb conjugations.

If OP can take night time classes in Portuguese and practice without having to put in a lot of overtime at work, then he should be fine.

[HankRearden]

Very interesting thread here, especially because I just moved to work in London a few months ago and may be posted to Sao Paulo around 9 months from now.

LaPastilla's post above is excellent (+1).

I find myself caring less about women, and haven't even been on RVF in the past couple of months. For this I blame London. It is honestly shocking to see how much I've had to lower my standards here to get action. I came here with my best game of all time - fresh off months of backpacking, fearless club approaching, and just genuinely doing well.

The problem here is that the attractiveness scale is fucked up. Let's say I'm a 6.5/7 out of 10. Everywhere else that I've normally spent time in, on a night out I averagely range from getting with a 5 to an 8.5 based on game, style, and charisma. I feel like here I max out at a 6 on nights out. For some reason English women think they're all hot shit when in fact they're fucking gross most of the time, and think that they deserve much much better looking men.

This mixed with the average desperation of English men means that I will ALWAYS see better looking guys with worse girls. A male 8 will routinely date a female 6, probably just for sex.

Still, London is great for culture (and it's cheap), food (overpriced), and travel.

I'm happy to be here but it's a nightmare for pussy so far -- and that's even after banging my first night out.

[Al Sahab]

(11-08-2014 04:54 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Although, for the sheer adventure aspect Sao Paulo rings just as much. Hot women, warm weather, budding aspirational third world power climbing up in the world. You always hear about North America, Europe, and Asia. South America always flies under the radar.

I've never been to South America, let alone Brazil. I respect quite a bit of the gents here on the forum and the stories seem amazing. Doing something like this is a life changing for sure.

Londoner here. Escape the Western paradigm for a while - have the adventure, observe the world from a different sphere and then you can see your home through travelled eyes.

I love travelling outside the strongholds of the west to remember the many forms of humanity which exist.

Another way to think about it: which location will enrich your life more?

But I make the suggestion humbly, as a young and relatively inexperienced traveller.

[shotgun]

(11-08-2014 07:11 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

As you said LaPastillaRoja, i'd rather live like a king than a pauper. Their SP office looks to be Napa de Baxio. Does anyone know anything about that place?

Lapa de Baixo you mean? It's mostly an industrial neighbourhood but it's close to Barra Funda, which has some decent nightlife, and not that far away from Vila Madalena.

[DiogoFC]

I'm Brazillian. Been to SP a ton of times. I enjoy the city and even the girls (it should come as a surprise; anyone inserted in the Brazillian culture knows SP has one of the worst reputations concerning girls). But I gotta say: Kissinger2014 is SPOT ON. Incredible reading of the scenario for a foreigner.

I insist: if your choice is just between stay where you are or go to SP, go. You'll suffer seeing your money go down the drain but you'll sure have a great time in the city and the country in general.

But if you have to give up London to do it then chances are you will regret it.

[orko]

(11-08-2014 07:11 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Ugh! This is very hard. For the record, if I move to Sao Paulo becoming fluent in Portuguese is a requirement. I love warm weather and seeing some of the pictures of Brazillian girls here on the forum make the split 50/50.

I guess it is all coming down to what type of package my company is willing to offer. For the record, 150k real is $~60,000 give or take the equivalent of my salary here in the states. I don't know how international corporations dodge taxes.

As you said LaPastillaRoja, i'd rather live like a king than a pauper. Their SP office looks to be Napa de Baxio. Does anyone know anything about that place?

You do realize Sao Paulo has one of the shittest weathers in south america??? Its RAINS all the F time....

[hipster]

If it was just a trip, São Paulo would be a non brainer. It has much better night life and dating culture/scene than London plus the exotic factor. But living there is a whole new history.

You just can't compare London's life quality and cultural offerings with São Paulo, London is so much better. However if your salary cannot afford you to live on your own in a good area of London maybe São Paulo can be a reasonable option.

Also keep in mind that from London you are just 1-2 hours away from many Europeans countries with different cultures and girls.

[zatara]

Will you be getting more than $60k USD if you go for London? Thats only £37k GBP or so. That's not enough to live particularly comfortably in London. You won't starve, but you'll be living a very much mid 20s starting-off-your-career lifestyle. You'll either be in shared accom, or in somewhere quite far from the city center. You won't be getting lots of taxis, or eating in very nice restaurants etc. Its the kind of salary someone with a good degree and a year or two of work experience in a good field (law, banking etc) would be on at around 25 years old in London. Not really a salary/lifestyle worth relocating for in my opinion.

London can be great if you've got the money for it. Its not a place to move to to struggle in, though.

[rudebwoy]

^2345 GBP will be your monthly take home on a salary off 37000 GBP.

Not a lot of money but not exactly poverty, I can tell you first hand the average person in London is not making that. Sure Bankers may skew the number but I am talking real people.

You can "live" on that amount, maybe the company will pay you a relocation fee or your first month rent. To afford your own place you are looking at 1000 pounds per month on rent alone.

SP sounds like it wouldn't be all fun in the sun.

[Constitution45]

I can say London keeps on changing. I am originally from London and lived in South London for most of my life for that matter. However the last few years I have been either abroad or in a different city in the U.K working and studying. It's weird thinking of the city from a point of view of growing up there and then from a business perspective

In terms of business, I prefer going to the East, as its like the WildWest out there. Sure there are bigger risks, but you can really push for what you want. While at the same time enjoying an exotic place, with cheaper food, a lot nicer women and feeling of adventure.

With London you will get a badge of honour for living there. Everyone claims to be a "londoner" these days, and there is a reason for that. But the corporate lifestyle, 9 to 9 job, shit weather; and paying ridiculous amounts of money for a pint in some pub that used to be a crack house back in 2002, is as far as it will go.

Sure in theory, in London you can tap into all these different niches, go for black girls, polish girls, south american girls or whatever; while traveling away at weekends to EE and the Noridic countries. But the vast majority of people don't have the time or drive for that, once they get stuck into their work and living in the city.

However I do know of this one guy who I believed worked for a big firm in London and ended up spending his wages on traveling around at the weekend rather than getting drunk with his colleagues in the West end. Here is the videos he posted.


https://www.youtube.com/user/COOLifeDesign


London is a strange one for women, logistics make one night stands difficult, so you usually have to arrange meeting another day; but being London the rates of flaking are pretty high. There is a work culture and lifestyle that is unique to this city and that can get in the way of living a free life.
The woman I am seeing at the moment is from South America and I met her in London, so as said previously, you can find beautiful women from all over the world, but you probably will have to play the numbers game and go to these niche bars/areas.

[tallandblonde]

(11-08-2014 04:54 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Well it's a culture thing. I'm not sure if the person I am would do well in Sao Paulo. I was under the impression caveman/machismo behavior was what flew there.

Yes it's what flies there, but after a trip to Brazil, I will tell you half the reason that the Brazilian women tend to like gringoes is that the Latin men they are used to treat them like shit. Doesn't mean that you should be a beta male, but they very much appreciate a calm and laid back, but confident demeanor. If you learn portuguese you will clean up there. IMO a lot of the "game" stuff we use with Western girls doesn't apply so much with Brazilians. They are much more up front and will let you know if they are interested.

[hipster]

USD$60k year in São Paulo, you can live very well. You can have a nice place in the best areas, have a good car(if you can tolerate the transit) or often get a taxi, eat in restaurants everyday and have fun.

[The Beast1]

(11-12-2014 06:42 AM)orko Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 07:11 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Ugh! This is very hard. For the record, if I move to Sao Paulo becoming fluent in Portuguese is a requirement. I love warm weather and seeing some of the pictures of Brazillian girls here on the forum make the split 50/50.

I guess it is all coming down to what type of package my company is willing to offer. For the record, 150k real is $~60,000 give or take the equivalent of my salary here in the states. I don't know how international corporations dodge taxes.

As you said LaPastillaRoja, i'd rather live like a king than a pauper. Their SP office looks to be Napa de Baxio. Does anyone know anything about that place?

You do realize Sao Paulo has one of the shittest weathers in south america??? Its RAINS all the F time....

Trust me, rain > snow. I'd rather it be 75* and rainy than 15* and snowing.

I won't have an expat offer until late January. I wouldn't move to London if they only offered me 38k pounds. I expect my current standard of living to be the same or more if they're planning on moving me abroad which would mean a heady salary increase for Europe. The 60k number I have is what i'm paid now and it would be easy to just move there and getting paid the same.

Honestly, all things at this point are equal (you guys are good at helping weigh decisions). I would be down for the cultural adventure of moving to Brazil and learning portuguese which is a requirement for my job. My boss said the company would pay for me to have intensive Portuguese lessons for two months prior to me starting any actual work as a lot of people in these offices speak little to no English.

Judging at where the office is, it looks like I'll have to own a car too. It would be a reverse commute which is pretty awesome.

[Sailor]

(11-08-2014 04:54 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 02:14 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 09:50 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

Yeah that's what i'm feeling too. I should say, bars and clubs aren't my scene anymore (an RvFer not clubbing you say?!). I like to be in bed by 10pm haha.

The posts here are great and I appreciate the insights. I'll wait to hear back on what type of package i'd get.

I don't know what industry you are in, but I don't see how working in London would be better for your career than working in Sao Paulo unless you are in Investment Banking, Hedge Funds, Insurance or something similar where London-based companies play a big part.

My knowledge of Sao Paulo is very limited, but what I do know is that there are beautiful girls out there you can meet during the day. You don't have to go to clubs and bars late at night to meet them.

Although Sao Paulo is quite expensive, London is more so, particularly when it comes to housing which is, except for the luxury segment, total shit. For $60K/year salary, you will either share an apartment in a decent neighborhood or rent a shitty apartment in a boring "working class" neighborhood where most girls are ugly and fat.

Bottom line, if you are interested in Europe and want to settle there eventually, then London may be a better option because you can explore other European cities from there. If you just want to change the scenery and sleep with a bunch of foreign girls, then it's definitely Sao Paulo.

Without revealing too much about the company I work for, lets just say it is a very large media conglomerate that has its headquarters in London. This relocation would be considered a promotion with the same title as my responsibilities will be to assist the local teams in three different offices with the release of a new internal software package we're deploying worldwide.

This decision I have to make is one of those potential life changing decisions road less traveled things. I'm in that preliminary run it past people with more experience than me phase. I already talked to my dad about it, I figured I'd run it past you guys too.

My gut is saying go to London since that is where the big wigs are at if I want to keep playing the corporate game.

Although, for the sheer adventure aspect Sao Paulo rings just as much. Hot women, warm weather, budding aspirational third world power climbing up in the world. You always hear about North America, Europe, and Asia. South America always flies under the radar.

I've never been to South America, let alone Brazil. I respect quite a bit of the gents here on the forum and the stories seem amazing. Doing something like this is a life changing for sure.

(11-08-2014 12:11 PM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

So you wanna be in bed at 10pm and bars and clubs not your scene.
What is your scene ? day game?
If so no point going to brazil.

I don't understand why u are hesitating to make a choice between these 2 cities. They are completely different. Pretty obvious to everyone I think.

Well it's a culture thing. I'm not sure if the person I am would do well in Sao Paulo. I was under the impression caveman/machismo behavior was what flew there. Obviously not everyone is like that, but unfortunately my personality is far more laid back. Day and social circle game are where I shine and i'm more into mini to long term relationships than spinning plates at this juncture in my life.

I'm the most charming during the day for some reason. My night game has always sucked unless I get black out drunk. Caveman game for me is asking for someone to punch me in the face.

I've been spending a lot of time focusing on my personal fitness which doesn't leave a lot of room for staying up late for drinking. In fact, I haven't had a drink in quite a long time.

What's the public transportation like in SP? I would like to avoid owning and driving a car.

The traffic is horrible all the time,the city looks like a cement jungle but if we're talking about getting laid,it surely beats London.
And some Paulistas have a very nasal accent.

[champ]

(11-13-2014 10:25 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

Judging at where the office is, it looks like I'll have to own a car too. It would be a reverse commute which is pretty awesome.

I'd avoid buying a car if you can. Car prices are 2-3x more than the US, so get ready for $35k Carolla, plus the headache of getting your Brazilian drivers license (3 trips to Detran, one to the doctor, R$ 100 to get your US license translated, and R$ 270 in other fees and shit.... just went through this), buying and registering a car, paying the annual fees, and dealing with SP traffic. Hope you can drive stick as well.

I believe you're office is in Lapa de Baixo, and not Napa de Baixo. If the office is close to Estação Lapa just take the Metro / CPTM. Or if you live in Vila Madelena (closest cool neighborhood to Lapa) it should be a short bus ride.