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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

A glorious victory for opponents of obesity today. Berkeley has passed a tax on sodas. Taxes like these will help to increase awareness of sugar's role in promoting obesity. It's not the be-all end-all, but consumption of sugar is a big factor in the obesity crisis.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio.../18521923/

The legislation was not perfect. As I see it, it had two flaws:

*It penalized sugary drinks based on an arbitrary threshold of 4g of added sugar per cup. Soda has 25g of sugar per cup (a cup is a little less than 250 ml). 5g vs 25g is a huge difference. A tax based on actual sugar content would have been much better. Eg, for drinks in excess of 4g sugar per 8 ounce serving, tax $0.01 per 1-2g of sugar. That way, companies would be incentivized to reduce sugar content to lower their tax burden.

I'm wondering if energy drink mixes (the powders) are susceptible to this tax.

*It didn't cut taxes elsewhere.

"Nation's first soda tax is passed

The city of Berkeley on Tuesday November 4, 2014 became the first in the nation to pass a tax on soda.

Berkeley, Calif. became the first U.S. city to pass a law taxing sugary drinks including sodas.

More than three-quarters of the votes cast were in favor of Measure D, according to the Alameda County Registrar of Voters. The measure will place a 1-cent-an-ounce tax on soft drinks. It only needed a majority of "yes" votes to pass.

In nearby San Francisco, city voters rejected a similar measure to tax sugary drinks. The measure needed two-thirds of the vote to approve the two-cent tax.

Proponents of the Berkeley tax say the fee will help curb consumption of sodas, energy drinks and sweetened ice teas, beverages they say are contributing to the nation's obesity epidemic.

That argument echoes calls made by other cities that have also tried to pass soda taxes but have failed in the face of well-funded opposition from soda manufacturers. Notably, former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's attempted ban on large-size sugary beverages was blocked by a New York State Judge.

Berkeley, which makes flouting the national norm a point of pride, managed to override its own soda-backed opposition.

"Berkeley has a proud history of setting nationwide trends, such as non-smoking sections in restaurants and bars, curb cuts for wheelchairs, curbside recycling, and public school food policies," said Vicki Alexander, co-chair of the group campaigning to pass Measure D, in a statement announces a victory for the campaign.

The win may make it a leader, or just simply an outlier.

Roger Salazar, a representative of the $10 million opposition campaign in Berkeley and San Francisco that was funded by soft-drink manufacturers, said the Berkeley vote meant little nationally.

"Berkeley is very eclectic. It doesn't look like Anytown USA," he told the Associated Press.
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

This is BS.

I'm skinny and occasionally enjoy a coke or ginger ale. I have to be punished because a bunch of land whales can't keep their impulse control in check?

Do it via healthcare, charge higher premiums for high body fat percentage individuals. There is no excuse for having a 30% body fat ratio.
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

The government doesn't even measure body fat percentages, and certainly most people are not on medicare. So your method is nonsense.

If you drink soda infrequently, you won't even notice a $0.01 per ounce tax. I'd gladly give up a $1000 a year to see a dramatic decline in obesity.

Whatever, if these laws become more prevalent and thus effective, the short-sighted haters will change their minds.

Waiting for the rush of fat fuck apologists who get all angry about this while remaining silent about oh, police brutality, limits on free speech, government surveillance, the war on drugs, etc. Fatfucking yourself is MY GOD DAMN RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN.
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

I don't drink soda at all but this is crap. These kind of laws have a habit of being a stepping stone for worse laws.

Thankfully this cancer is limited to a tiny part of California.

You want to end fatassedness and stand up for liberty?

Don't pass laws.

BRING BACK FAT SHAMING.

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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

Quote: (11-05-2014 09:39 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

I don't drink soda at all but this is crap. These kind of laws have a habit of being a stepping stone for worse laws.

This is what I'm worried about. The next step in these inane laws will be a new tax on fat and red meat because they're "supposedly" unhealthy because the scientific fad du jour said so?
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

Sin taxes are nothing new, and if levied at the state level, are entirely legal. If I'm paying $14 or more for a pack of smokes, nearly all of which is tax, these fatties can afford to tighten their belts a little (pun intended)
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

Quote: (11-05-2014 09:31 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

This is BS.

I'm skinny and occasionally enjoy a coke or ginger ale. I have to be punished because a bunch of land whales can't keep their impulse control in check?

Do it via healthcare, charge higher premiums for high body fat percentage individuals. There is no excuse for having a 30% body fat ratio.

Agree! I work out and I enjoy cupcakes. Dont tax my damn cupcakes and cookies. I do the work necessary to eat them when I want them and still be ripped.

This law could easily be, "tax steak, its unhealthy if eaten too much" or "tax butter, its unhealthy if eaten too much". I mean a whole stick of butter is terrible for a person. No one is supposed to drink a 2-liter of coke in one sitting. Thats not the cokes fault.
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

I doubt that this will incite fat and red meat taxes, as there is increasing awareness that these foods are not what is making people fat. Eg the documentary Fed Up. Health officials and bodies are increasingly demonising sugar and advocating greater restriction of sugar consumption.

Steak and butter aren't bad for you. Especially if you buy pastured steak and butter, those items are very good for you, especially if you're careful to avoid advanced glycation end products. You should read a little more. I routinely use several ounces of butter for a single meal for myself.
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

Quote:Quote:

Roger Salazar, a representative of the $10 million opposition campaign in Berkeley and San Francisco that was funded by soft-drink manufacturers, said the Berkeley vote meant little nationally.

"Berkeley is very eclectic. It doesn't look like Anytown USA," he told the Associated Press.

This right here. Berkeley is essentially a fantasy land compared to the rest of the US. Coke also generates more revenue internationally than in the US, so these types of laws would need serious traction before Coke began stocking the arsenal for a big fight.
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

I oppose these kinds of measures--they have no place in a nation of broad, general laws--but it's an interesting take. I'm pretty confident voters in Berkeley are against fat shaming and believe you can be beautiful at any size (as an admittedly crude generalization) but still think you should consume less of this one highly visible thing that makes you fat. But why? I thought being fat was fine!

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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

Quote: (11-05-2014 09:31 AM)frenchie Wrote:  

Do it via healthcare, charge higher premiums for high body fat percentage individuals. There is no excuse for having a 30% body fat ratio.

I've always wondered what would happen if companies just charged a very large premium for fatties. If health insurance wasn't mandatory and if they had to pay the premium themselves would they just eventually slowly die out?

I imagine most of them would try to skate by without health insurance like many Americans have done in the past. I can imagine some obese mammy now wagging her finger "Gubmint ain't gone make me pay extra for no hef insurance, nu-uh, I show em who boss."
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

Yeah, this is fascism. Not something to be celebrated.

I drink soda sometimes. I eat ice cream too. Have a cookie every morning. And I love bread.

There's no reason that I should be punished for these things.
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

Stupid idea.

Quote: (11-05-2014 09:38 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

If you drink soda infrequently, you won't even notice a $0.01 per ounce tax.

The people that actually drink soda a lot aren't going to care about a 1 cent tax per ounce either. It's not crippling enough.

As long as the perverse federal subsidies for corn, processed foods, etc. remain in place, obesity is going to continue to be a large (no pun intended) issue.

All this will accomplish is give the government another source of revenue that it won't want to give up and expand in the future.

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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

If I remember correctly, Washington state (or was it just Seattle?) had a sugar tax on candy/soda, excluded things with wheat in them (nature bars, etc.), a few years back.
It was overturned on the next ballot though, the candy industry pushed a lot of money to get rid of it.

edit; LINK
Campaign contributor:
American Beverage Association $16,501,000
vs $304k the opposition raised.

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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

I'm not sure taxation is the solution to obesity. I'm against this law. Fat shaming is not the same as fat prohibition. If you wanna cure obese people, you gotta do it by free will. Even if you bully and shame them into losing weight, in the end it's still their choice to lose weight. Taxing everyone on beverages however is despotic.
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

I'm not sure taxation is the solution to smoking. I'm against this law. Smoker shaming is not the same as smoking prohibition. If you wanna cure people of a tobacco addiction, you gotta do it by free will. Even if you bully and shame them into quitting smoking in the end it's still their choice to stop smoking. Taxing everyone on cigarettes however is despotic.

Oh wait, smoking rates have gone way down...
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

Quote: (11-05-2014 08:05 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

I'm not sure taxation is the solution to smoking. I'm against this law. Smoker shaming is not the same as smoking prohibition. If you wanna cure people of a tobacco addiction, you gotta do it by free will. Even if you bully and shame them into quitting smoking in the end it's still their choice to stop smoking. Taxing everyone on cigarettes however is despotic.

Oh wait, smoking rates have gone way down...

Ha ha. You think taxation is responsible for smoking rates going down? No comment.

About your point, ends don't justify the means. Freedom of choice is more important than fight against obesity. I'm glad you are not in politics. That's how tyrant are born. You think you're doing something good and noble for the people by taking away their choice to hurt themselves? Hey I got another idea. Let's ban all drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, fast food, gambling and whatever vice you think should be reduced, since you are the authority in that matter.

I hate fatties as much as the next guy. But this is not fat shaming. I'm in good shape and I gotta pay the price for fatties being fatties every time I wanna buy a soda. Screw this law.
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

Maybe they should pass a law requiring stores to put soda on the highest shelf:

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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

This isn't going to do much for obesity since soda is only one part of a much larger problem. Soda tax is a red herring which distracts people from the real culprit - massive subsidies to agribusinesses that produce worthless corn based junk with no nutritional value whatsoever. Meanwhile, fresh food in the US is prohibitively expensive for many, and damn expensive compared to other countries.

Aside from that, our main goal should be to prevent future fatties, not try to save the ones that are already obese.

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If I'm going to live in a nanny state like California, then it's about goddamn time that they even the playing field by implementing taxes like these.

You guys that drink soda have nothing to complain about. It's not going to affect you and this is not the time to be going on "a matter of principle". If you enjoy it that's great, but humans are not hummingbirds and there's no reason for anyone to be drinking carbonated sugar syrup.

You gotta keep in mind that lady's night is illegal here. You want something to be pissed off about? Get pissed off about that.

A soda tax is not heralding a new age of fascism in California; we passed that point a long ass time ago and now it's our turn.

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I'm pretty damn happy this initiative passed, and I hope more pass countrywide, and this is coming from a guy who regularly drinks Diet Coke. There's a strong line of causation between high soda consumption and obesity (not to mention obesity and healthcare costs) so anything that attacks that chain is good to me.

I'm kind of surprised it's so unpopular in this thread, although I guess the distrust of government is winning out over the disgust towards fatties pounding Big Gulps [Image: biggrin.gif]
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"But this is not fat shaming."

People base their conception of good and bad off what the government says. Government say sugar bad. Is that not fat shaming? Call it eating of fattening food shaming. Circle jerk all you want, I'm concerned about the impact, not tight-assed word parsing.

The more something costs, the less of it people will buy, given a high enough price increase and a long enough period to transition to alternatives.

My ideal is revenue neutral sugar taxes. That means for every dollar collected in sugar taxes, you collect one dollar less in other taxes, like sales tax or property tax. In that way, sugar taxes are downright libertarian, as the damages they cause (obesity) are paid for by taxes while inefficient taxes are reduced. Replacing other forms of taxes with Pigovian or externality taxes is uniformly an improvement over current affairs.

Also, a lot of fat people are fully grown children who desperately want to be pimp slapped into eating better. They need this too.
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Quote: (11-05-2014 09:28 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

Also, a lot of fat people are fully grown children who desperately want to be pimp slapped into eating better. They need this too.

This is really what it comes down to. There are sugary snack foods all over the world, but somehow other cultures manage to instill a sense of restraint in their female population.

Not so in America. In order to counter the "You-go-girl"-ism that's so prevalent here, we need things like the sugar tax.

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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

Damn, that's a stiff tax. A 20-ounce drink in a restaurant that used to be $2.59 is now $2.79. I guess it's not too bad.

The question is where does the money go?
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FAT SHAMING VICTORY: Nation's First Soda Tax Passes In Berkeley

Some valid points from both sides of this story.

Fat people make me sick, But then on the other hand some of the best people I know are fat.... Some damn good friends who have been super good to me are fat and one is even obese. It makes me not sure how to feel about fatties.... Naturally I don't like them one bit.... but they might be 20 times better human beings then some skinny pricks.

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