[Bullitt]

A while back on Return of Kings, I think I remember Tuthmosis posted an article explaining why trying to get your blue pill friends to take the red pill isn't always such a great idea. I completely agree with this, however, I've also found that some of my friends have the right intuitive grasp on reality to accept the red pill, but need a nudge in the right direction.

I personally have found it difficult to distill the teachings of the manosphere into an easily digestable idea that doesn't sound nuts. As such, I was curious as to what the forum thinks are some of the best introductory posts, articles, etc. that would both inspire someone to continue delving deeper into the manosphere without completely overwhelming them with some, admittedly, hard to accept truths? Essentially, if you wanted to introduce a friend (who was ready) to the manosphere, where would you have them start?

[lskdfjldsf]

Like trying to fuck a girl who refuses to cheat on her boyfriend. Wait til they break up, then swoop in for the kill.

It's sad but most guys these days need to hit rock bottom before they'll see the light, either a bad breakup or other hardship. It's too easy to stay plugged in, no matter how enticing an idea you give them.

With that being said, I would suggest blogs rather than articles as it's easier to digest if put in context. I came across Roosh and Heartiste's blogs around the same time, worked for me.

[PrimeTime32]

Don't waste your time. The Manosphere is just something a guy has to figure out for themselves which is usually after they get fucked over by a woman.

[Sonsowey]

I dunno I have plenty of friends who I have shown articles to.

This isnt a secret society its just a website. I showed a friend who was having difficulties getting girls BANG, and he bought it and started getting girls!

I showed some people specific articles that related to something in real life from Heartiste or whatever. And everyone loves Delicious Tacos. Naughty Nomads book and travel stories are also undisputably awesome.

I have sent lots of studies and news stories to my friends to. "Study finds chick dig jerks" "study finds women attracted to masculine men ".

People will decide if they want to click around and read more. Do not try to force someones whole mindset to change.

[vinman]

It works best when they're fed up. Catch them when they're a little pissed off and just ask them leading questions. And when they start to think about they're situation give them a red tablet. A red tablet might be easier to swallow than a red pill.

[Fortis]

I try to give people red pill advice. Eventually, if they keep asking me, I just say, "Remember how I was telling you this? well I learned a lot of this from (Dangerandplay, Roosh). That's usually a good way to send them information without barraging them with everything at once.

[IvanDrago]

You need to lead by example. Talking only works when you are preaching to the choir. You are going to ruin relationships and hurt yourself at work and home if you open your mouth.

Lead by example. Lift, make money, have tons of friends and fun and don't let miserable blue pillers try to suck you back in. Have a great life, don't get married or impregnate crazy and a few will follow your lead. Most won't though, fuck em.

[The Beast1]

I would avoid doing it. The red pill is slowly seeping into common knowledge. Men are becoming more and more aware of the short stick they're being given in the name of multiculturalism.

If you hear someone complain of some stupid blue pill issue, gauge their interest by dropping some red pill truths. If they agree, send him along our way.

Guys that have gotten screwed hard by women tend to be angry. Try to help your friend by moving through this stage because I see a lot of guys get stuck in this stage.

[WestIndianArchie]

(11-04-2014 01:44 PM)Bullitt Wrote:  

I personally have found it difficult to distill the teachings of the manosphere into an easily digestable idea that doesn't sound nuts.

This is an opportunity for someone that has a good handle on what the Red Pill means.

WIA

[The Beast1]

The manosphere in a nutshell is the acceptance that there will always be inequality by scarcity. There will always be haves and have nots.

The only way to buck this is by self improvement.

[Mufasa]

they forsure need to fail on their own maybe a few times before they really try to figure it out (like myself).

My single success story is with my best bud from hs: He had hardcore oneitis, and it took a lot of research to find a few articles that correlated with his situation, but when i found them I just sent them to him.
One thing I tried to avoid was stuff that can come accross and radicical (like how the distorted feminism and blue pill ideals have run a muck in american society) and tried to find some things that eased him into an explanation of why he was treated the way he was. .
I sent my friend probably 15 articles that pretty much took him step-by-step down the rabbit hole so that he didnt get scared off and divert to some PUAhate fuckboy shit...It worked

[britchard]

ROK articles are a good place to start I think. Sending someone straight to a forum such as this one or any other may simply overwhelm them at first.

[Bear Hands]

I tried to introduce my younger brother to the manosphere thinking I could help him not waste some of his prime years like I did. It was a lesson in how strong cultural programming is. He vehemently rejected everything even though I can point to numerous ways in which the knowledge I've gained has helped me succeed in areas of life he still struggles in. A man really needs to be shocked into accepting the red pill if he's not already moving towards it.

[Sonsowey]

(11-04-2014 03:05 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 01:44 PM)Bullitt Wrote:  

I personally have found it difficult to distill the teachings of the manosphere into an easily digestable idea that doesn't sound nuts.

This is an opportunity for someone that has a good handle on what the Red Pill means.

WIA

Been taken care of

[CJ_W]

(11-04-2014 01:44 PM)Bullitt Wrote:  

A while back on Return of Kings, I think I remember Tuthmosis posted an article explaining why trying to get your blue pill friends to take the red pill isn't always such a great idea.

Do you have a link to that article? I'd like to read it.

[solo]

I don't think most guys are susceptible to the red pill. They will never the see the truth, whether it be about women or politicians. The truth is simply to hard to take for them, they are too emotionally invested in the lies and they are too dependent on social pressure. Like Roosh said in a recent video, the truth is like cryptonite to them.

As long as the average guy has access to all the different Soma drugs in our current culture, he will not rebel. And even if the economy continues to decline (which signs are it will), there will still probably be things like virtual reality porn in the future.

I think you may have to have some kind of genetic predisposition in order to take the red pill. I had my first red pill realization at around age 6-7 or so, when I realized that girls liked "evil boys", as I put it. (Of course it took me around 20 years to consciously and systematically start to act on these beliefs.) This was contrary to what I was led to believe; that you should be good-hearted and that this will be rewarded accordingly. Today I am grateful I was raised to be good-hearted, it's just that it certainly didn't help me to get girls.

People who are blue pill are the people who are most easily manipulated into carrying out the immoral dirty work of others. Us red pillers are not immune to this either, though. But I think we do have a natural propensity to question orders and get out of line.

[Avon Barksdale]

(11-04-2014 04:22 PM)solo Wrote:  

I don't think most guys are susceptible to the red pill. They will never the see the truth, whether it be about women or politicians. The truth is simply to hard to take for them, they are too emotionally invested in the lies and they are too dependent on social pressure. Like Roosh said in a recent video, the truth is like cryptonite to them.

As long as the average guy has access to all the different Soma drugs in our current culture, he will not rebel. And even if the economy continues to decline (which signs are it will), there will still probably be things like virtual reality porn in the future.

I think you may have to have some kind of genetic predisposition in order to take the red pill. I had my first red pill realization at around age 6-7 or so, when I realized that girls liked "evil boys", as I put it. (Of course it took me around 20 years to consciously and systematically start to act on these beliefs.) This was contrary to what I was led to believe; that you should be good-hearted and that this will be rewarded accordingly. Today I am grateful I was raised to be good-hearted, it's just that it certainly didn't help me to get girls.

People who are blue pill are the people who are most easily manipulated into carrying out the immoral dirty work of others. Us red pillers are not immune to this either, though. But I think we do have a natural propensity to question orders and get out of line.

I disagree. You just need to go through enough pain/bullshit with women to realize something needs to change

[WestIndianArchie]

(11-04-2014 05:14 PM)Avon Barksdale Wrote:  

I disagree. You just need to go through enough pain/bulltshit with women to realize something needs to change

[Carlos100]

I've sent links to Rational Male and Chateau Heartiste columns to single friends with girlfriend troubles or married friends who have confided about the way they get treated by their wives at home and I've told them stories about how game has improved my marriage and my relationships with other women in my life. They just nod and get pensive or say thanks for the link without further comment. I think they realize that accepting the red pill means a complete redesign of their life and it's a little daunting for them. Once you mention it to them, I don't think you should push it any further, just live the example and let them decide on their own if they want to follow.

[runsonmagic]

As they say in sales, you have to look for their pain.

What's their need? What's bothering them? Can you fill that need?

That's your opportunity. That break-up, that divorce, that rejection. Once the pain of change is less than the pain of staying where they are, they'll accept whatever ideas you offer them.

[dholland662]

The only possible way right now is through GamerGate, but even that is a longshot imo.

You could try recreating what led you here.
But that may not be applicable at all, like for me I found it through hardcore libertarianism and actually found antifeminism last of all. Which is the opposite usually.

[kmhour]

I think there are two types of people that 'accept' the red pill mentality. men that have some disposition for it (nature or nurture) and men that have been beaten down by relationship failures or trouble with women. I was somewhere in between - I lacked confidence but after getting out of my first serious relationship in my mid 20s, I stumbled upon a Roissy post that was like the opening to a rabbit hole.

Nothing about it was particularly mind-blowing or difficult to come to grips with - probably a result of an alpha male father with narcissistic tendencies. It all clicked pretty easily - I have trouble understanding some of the guys on the manosphere who talk about the red pill 'being bitter to swallow'. But at the same time, it was a conscious awareness of something that had previously been below the surface. A reinforcement of a way of thinking, a frame of mind, a confidence, an understanding.

None of that can really be dropped on your friends. I've tried sending one married friend some advice - blog posts, Athol Kay's book, whatever - but even if we talk about typical married sex life issues there isn't a real desire to do something about it. The only friend I've sent a link to who actively enjoyed or applied any of the information arguably exhibits some sociopathic traits with women (I say this as a friend and he'd probably agree).

Let people find things for themselves. The hardest lessons are also the best.

[dholland662]

(11-05-2014 01:53 AM)kmhour Wrote:  

I think there are two types of people that 'accept' the red pill mentality.

This. I had some trouble with it because although I didn't think women were the same as men, I also didn't really know what women were like due to having few girlfriends as a nerdy highschooler.

But it was also easy in a lot of ways because it kinda confirmed a lot of my biases about women: long hair, girly is good etc.
So I think that can be played with since people are more receptive to an idea if it flatters them. Simply recognize which guys that works well on.

[Redwood]

(11-04-2014 02:00 PM)PrimeTime32 Wrote:  

Don't waste your time. The Manosphere is just something a guy has to figure out for themselves which is usually after they get fucked over by a woman.

I agree with this statement. Hitting rock bottom is necessary to see the forthcoming light at the end of the tunnel.

[Paracelsus]

I think folks need to reread this older article by Erik: http://www.returnofkings.com/41714/the-l...onsibility

In short, you don't have any responsibility for anyone but yourself. That goes for blue pills as well as women.

Give information if asked, but to try and bring other men to manosphere sites is proselytising, trying to create a "movement". Personally I think that's an Amway sort of thing to do, if not a female sort of thing. Although it might not be endemic, there are enough references to manosphere culture generally that curious men will get here eventually - and there's enough rage from the SJW side of society against these sorts of sites that they push people towards these sorts of places themselves. That indeed was how I got here: by reading an attempted hit piece on Return of Kings from the Daily Mail.