[Jack Frost]

(04-12-2011 04:53 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

PS
We tall, white, handsome devils do have it made ; )

Until one of us tall, handsome, mixed guys comes in the room, haha. Plenty for both of us man.

[Brian]

(04-12-2011 06:45 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 06:37 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 06:33 PM)Brian Wrote:  

has always done very well for himself on the west coast.

I'm curious how geography affects a situation like this.

Me too. I'm guessing the west coast would be better than the midwest or the east coast.

He's based out of SoCal/San Diego. Hotter girls then east coast but more flakey. Dont think it matters either way, that wasnt the point of the post.

[Nonpareil]

Be aggressive, dress nice, hit the gym, play the numbers game, stay fresh and always move onto the next. It sucks for short guys out there generally, but at the same time I know short guys who kill. They are cocky, slightly asshole-y, successful, nice looking dudes who never pass an opportunity and are fun dudes. Just take care of yourself and keep your head up, that's all I can say.

Being white and handsome does open doors, but without game its nothing. I'm white and handsome, but when I'm not really trying, I don't really get results. When I try I do well, game factors into my results.

Someone also mentioned not saying the basic term for your ethnicity. I'm not white; I'm Irish or Jewish (I have parts of both).

I know chicks have some sort of predisposition to like tall men (something about being a protector), but really there are only two advantages it gives you and you need game to fully capitalize.

1) Wider pool of women. I'm 6'3, the tallest woman I've ever fucked was 6'1, the shortest was 5', crazy range but neither would have happened if I didn't run proper game.

2) More face time. Looks also get this; the taller/better dressed/better looking you are, the more holes you can have in your game, but even if you're looking like a model, you won't get what you want without game.

[Olympus Squared]

Have to say two of the biggest macs I knew in college were shorter guys, likely ~5'7". While they were 'white guys' one was Polish and bald and the other Italian and very dark.

What they had, looking back, what they had was a combination of balls, nice clothes, and good vibes with women.

They had better luck then me and most of the other tall and muscular types I hung out with...

[Duke Castile]

(04-12-2011 10:24 PM)Jack Frost Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 04:53 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

PS
We tall, white, handsome devils do have it made ; )

Until one of us tall, handsome, mixed guys comes in the room, haha. Plenty for both of us man.

You're not lying bro, esp here!

[Screwston]

(04-12-2011 04:34 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(04-12-2011 04:25 PM)houston Wrote:  

I don't know why you assume every girl likes tall, white guys. I'm 5'8, hispanic and have never had a problem with different kinds of girls. I've never even had the thought cross my head that females only like taller and lighter skinned guys. Id never get pussy if I thought like that.

I know plenty of white girls who actively prefer darker men to white guys. If anything it might be beneficial. Its one more interesting talking point.

I've been with quite a few girls who wanted to try my darker skin out I've also told white girls that I've never talked to or been with a white girl before. This usually opens plenty of doors for conversation.

I'm curious to get view points of the shorter dudes on here about the whole height "issue". It seems like some taller guys think its a bigger disadvantage than it really is.

[ManAbout]

At the end of the day, don't dwell on your height or your ethnicity. Become the best you can be within that framework that you have been given.

Everything else is just an excuse for not going out there and approaching girls.

[whosyourdaddy]

Height is definitely not a limitation, unless you're like 5'1". Neither is ethnicity. Looks are what matters. Tom Cruise is like 5'5" or something. And there are plenty of asian, south asian, hispanic & middle eastern PUAS.

I would do the following:
1. Change location if you deem that it is necessary. Ex. South Asian dude gaming in Wyoming.
2. Work on your looks
3. Lift weights, get in shape
4. Work on your confidence & game

That's all you can do. If all else fails, then you can work on trying to make a lot of money or getting a powerful position or a third world country where chicks will dig you.

[Moma]

(04-12-2011 11:54 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

I saw a short mediocre looking asian guy with a 9 while I was out with my date the other night. Had I been alone I would have asked him his secret. I'll keep an eye out for you.

Maybe he has a really big schlong and he let her know early in the game...?

[Moma]

(04-12-2011 02:55 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

Just work on your game until its sharp as hell. Think of your physical shortcomings as an advantage, it just means that you have to put more work into your inner and outer game. You'll develop extremely sharp game compared to a good looking guy who has to work less hard.
Wear height enhancing shoes to add a couple of inches and you should be good to go. 5"7 isn't that bad, Cajun is around 5"6. Don't make race an excuse, being an confident Indian guy will make you stand out immensely. When you step into a room with swagger people will wonder who you are. Remember that the fact that you look different can either be an advantage or disadvantage depending on the way you look at it.

Your thread reminds me of the story my buddy told me. He's around your height and a skinny asian guy. A girl told him that he was really short and tried to blow him out. He responded that he preferred being short because it made it easier to make out with girls. He got her number in the end. Girls always try to shit test him on his height but he maintains his frame. Also remember the fact that your race doesn't determine what type of girls like you. Change your style of clothing and workout if you are too skinny. Remember, no self pity. Just keep going out with the right attitude and you will have razor sharp game eventually.

I agree with Toronto kid. A buddy of mine looks Indian. He thinks he's gorgeous beyond compare. He pulls blondes. The importance is what YOU think.
Every weekend my friend enjoys going to clubs where they don't really go goo goo gaa gaa over ethnic guys in my opinion. I've been shut down many times. I've gone beyond caring. I just have to open more to get my dyck wet.
Improve what you can and accept what you cannot change.

Look at the Tyra Banks show with the Indian pickup artist if you don't believe me.
Indian guy with game

The guy was able to SNL and his style was ruthless...it's the one with Dick Masterton (that guy gives me so much jokes).

[hydrogonian]

As long as you talk and act like your a tall 'whatever race she likes and you are insecure about' guy, then that is how she will feel about you. And by feel, I mean in her vagina.

I know a couple of cool short Indian guys married to hot non-Indian women. If you act like an insecure shy guy, then that is how you will be treated. If you don't act like that, then you will be treated differently.

But I agree that no matter who you are, unless you are a model, you have to open your mouth. And even models have to open their mouths. Its just that they are given the benefit of the doubt more often. But thats short term.

Most women peg me for a completely different type of guy until I open my mouth. Then its like someone waved a magic wand, and the previous image that they had of me is wiped from existence. A woman's perception of you is created by your personality. I've once saw a hot ass alpha women that I couldn't get in college hook up with a forty something married with kids short bald Italian guy because he had crazy confidence and game. I know because I worked with them both and witnessed the attraction process develop every day, first hand. Also, his wife and kids also worked there. Its almost all about personality.

When I was living in Asia, the same woman who couldn't stop fucking me and stalking me like I was the last man on earth, also couldn't help but tell me how unattractive I was to her. It was like her brain and her vagina were in massive disagreement, and she was verbalizing her confusion. The crazy bitch then tried to follow me to America.

If you see pictures of me with some of the women that Ive gotten it looks completely off as to what most people would consider a match. Who gives a shit. They get with because how I make them feel when I open my mouth and how I act around them, not because of how I look.

I'm about 5'7 1/2 and white, with an XXXL shaved head, and skin so pale that its ghostly. I do have nice teeth and wide shoulders though

[theIVth]

At end of the day, nobody wants to read the same old story about the all American, white frat boy that's fucking tons of cheerleaders. We've already read that book.

Hearing about some average looking, short dark skinned guy that SOMEHOW ended up fucking tons of bad bitches is a much more interesting story.

Everybody was born with some sort of advantage and superior attributes. Some are just more coveted than others. Some guys were born with superior intelligence that enables them to start companies and get rich. Some were born good athletes. Others were born looking like models. Everybody has something.

You just gotta focus on the things that you can control, optimize those and get out there and get down for yours.

[hydrogonian]

You know what, in 2011, dark skinned guys aren't the fucking underdog when it comes to ladies. I'm sick of that bullshit too. Everyone wants to read about their own race succeeding, because it gives them false confidence. I've been on the racist end of the stick from ethnic ladies too, but I don't complain about it. Stop your fucking sob story, dry your vagina, and go get some pussy.

"whaaa whaa...white guys this and that... brown skinned guys are more interesting"...shut the fuck up.

Its competitive for everyone today. If you don't have the genetics that your happy with, then work hard to develop a personality that will more than make up for it.

What I really read into this is that your "tired of reading about white guys fucking white girls" haha... then fuck your own race or find one of the millions of white girls who will fuck interacially. But you'll need a personality to get them.

Similarly, I could go out and find one of the millions of black/brown women that have a predilection for white guys, and I will have a small initial advantage when it comes to fucking them. Just like you do with the white girls who prefer your race.

There are plenty of Asian women (my preference) that won't initially fuck me because I'm white. But guess what? Give me enough time with any one of them and I will at least make her consider changing her mind. Some will, some won't.

[Giovonny]

Hydro,

No one is attacking or criticizing white guys. The OP simply said that in terms of looks, white guys are generally considered to be at the top of the "food chain". Is not a knock against the white race. Its actually kind of a compliment. White guys are generally considered to be the best looking guys, to a majority of women.

Roosh has a cool post about it:

http://www.rooshv.com/totem-pole-of-race-attractiveness

Don't take what I'm about to say the wrong way, I'm not trying to talk shit to you. I enjoy reading your posts and really respect what you have to say, but..

Getting defensive and going on the attack is a "beta" response.

Feel free to give me some constructive criticism some time when you think I need it.

[hydrogonian]

Quote:

No one is attacking or criticizing white guys. The OP simply said that in terms of looks, white guys are generally considered to be at the top of the "food chain". Is not a knock against the white race. Its actually kind of a compliment. White guys are generally considered to be the best looking guys, to a majority of women.

First, I'm not defending "white guys". Go back and read my post again. I'm trying to snap this dude out of a habit of seeing his value according to his race, and prevent me from having to read about the mangina-ish race oriented perspective that comes from unwarranted insecurity.

Black and brown races are reproducing far more rapidly than are white people in the USA. Someone must find them attractive, and it appears that they do more so than they do white people. If you want to get statistical about it.

The "brown guys are more interesting that white guys" somewhat indirect racism being only a secondarily annoying result. However, that is what was said. Although, either direct or indirect white bashing is a common theme in this forum. No one goes on about how they are sick of everything not-white. They don't. Its a double standard. Imagine if I were to say "'I'm sick of all the black guy this and that..."

That whole thing about white guys "being the best looking guys to the majority of women" is pretty much BS. Take a good looking black guy and a slightly worse looking white guy, and most women will pick the black guy. Attractive is attractive.

And who is being not-white a disadvantage to gaming? Non-white girls? No. White girls. Like I said, fuck girls your own race, or find the few differently ethnic girls who will fuck you like the rest of us. That's always more challenging. But stop bitching about the perceived advantages of other men based on race. That, my dear paesan, is beta.

Quote:

Don't take what I'm about to say the wrong way, I'm not trying to talk shit to you. I enjoy reading your posts and really respect what you have to say, but..

Getting defensive and going on the attack is a "beta" response.

How could I possibly take that dramatic lead in to calling me "beta" the wrong way? Nope, your not talking shit at all.



dude, I couldn't possibly care less about what you call me or what you think of me. Call me all the names you can come up with Is "beta" the best that you have? Are you sure that you are the type of person that is in a position to make those distinctions? Well, maybe you are behind a keyboard. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... I've been humbled.

[Moma]

(04-13-2011 02:25 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

There are plenty of Asian women (my preference) that won't initially fuck me because I'm white. But guess what? Give me enough time with any one of them and I will at least make her consider changing her mind. Some will, some won't.

Asian women love white guys stop lying, bro hahahahah

[Moma]

However, it's news to me that white guys are actually the chosen crop when it comes to dating preference. When I was in London, a lot of the white guys used to complain that the black guys were getting all the women, they were very bitter..so it's all perspective..

If it comes to it, I could even say that South East Asian women do NOT like my type. I have opened up like a wolf and in all my life, I have gone on ONE date with a South East Asian woman.

So what do I do? If I like South East Asian women then I just open up more and more.

Fcuk else, can I do?

[Saladin]

(04-13-2011 03:27 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote:

No one is attacking or criticizing white guys. The OP simply said that in terms of looks, white guys are generally considered to be at the top of the "food chain". Is not a knock against the white race. Its actually kind of a compliment. White guys are generally considered to be the best looking guys, to a majority of women.

First, I'm not defending "white guys". Go back and read my post again. I'm trying to snap this dude out of a habit of seeing his value according to his race, and prevent me from having to read about the mangina-ish race oriented perspective that comes from unwarranted insecurity.

Black and brown races are reproducing far more rapidly than are white people in the USA. Someone must find them attractive, and it appears that they do more so than they do white people. If you want to get statistical about it.

The "brown guys are more interesting that white guys" somewhat indirect racism being only a secondarily annoying result. However, that is what was said. Although, either direct or indirect white bashing is a common theme in this forum. No one goes on about how they are sick of everything not-white. They don't. Its a double standard. Imagine if I were to say "'I'm sick of all the black guy this and that..."

That whole thing about white guys "being the best looking guys to the majority of women" is pretty much BS. Take a good looking black guy and a slightly worse looking white guy, and most women will pick the black guy. Attractive is attractive.

And who is being not-white a disadvantage to gaming? Non-white girls? No. White girls. Like I said, fuck girls your own race, or find the few differently ethnic girls who will fuck you like the rest of us. That's always more challenging. But stop bitching about the perceived advantages of other men based on race. That, my dear paesan, is beta.

Quote:

Don't take what I'm about to say the wrong way, I'm not trying to talk shit to you. I enjoy reading your posts and really respect what you have to say, but..

Getting defensive and going on the attack is a "beta" response.

How could I possibly take that dramatic lead in to calling me "beta" the wrong way? Nope, your not talking shit at all.



dude, I couldn't possibly care less about what you call me or what you think of me. Call me all the names you can come up with Is "beta" the best that you have? Are you sure that you are the type of person that is in a position to make those distinctions? Well, maybe you are behind a keyboard. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt... I've been humbled.

If you were referring to my post, I never said brown guys were more interesting than white guys. I just told the OP that girls will find guys who have experience in more cultures more interesting than a man who has experience of only one culture. Skin doesn't enter into it, a white guy who's lived in a multitude of countries is more interesting than a brown guy who's lived in only 1. I may have worded it poorly.

[hydrogonian]

Quote:

If you were referring to my post, I never said brown guys were more interesting than white guys. I just told the OP that girls will find guys who have experience in more cultures more interesting than a man who has experience of only one culture. Skin doesn't enter into it, a white guy who's lived in a multitude of countries is more interesting than a brown guy who's lived in only 1. I may have worded it poorly.

I wasn't talking about your post.

I'm bowing out of this thread.

You guys can chat it up about race, and I promise that I won't respond unless someone else insists on throwing some personal barbs around...

[Saladin]

(04-13-2011 03:55 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote:

If you were referring to my post, I never said brown guys were more interesting than white guys. I just told the OP that girls will find guys who have experience in more cultures more interesting than a man who has experience of only one culture. Skin doesn't enter into it, a white guy who's lived in a multitude of countries is more interesting than a brown guy who's lived in only 1. I may have worded it poorly.

I wasn't talking about your post.

I'm bowing out of this thread.

You guys can chat it up about race, and I promise that I won't respond unless someone else insists on throwing some personal barbs around...

Haha, nevermind.

[Giovonny]

ok, lets not sweat it.

This is actually my favorite post on this topic..

(04-13-2011 09:37 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

At the end of the day, don't dwell on your height or your ethnicity. Become the best you can be within that framework that you have been given.

Everything else is just an excuse for not going out there and approaching girls.

Approach, approach, approach! Practice, practice, practice!

That's the only way top get better at this.

Fine tune your look and style. Study the successful Indian/Asian players.

(04-13-2011 01:56 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Its almost all about personality.

This is true. You gotta learn how to have an engaging, entertaining conversation with a woman.

You should be speaking to women constantly, throughout the day.

It really is almost all about personality. The confidence will come from practice. It will take a few years to really make progress.

Keep grinding short, ethnic guys...Its worth it. Getting your Game together is the greatest thing you can do for yourself.

[Giovonny]

One more note for the Indian players.

A few things to be aware of...

Your hair. I see alot of Indian guys with bad hair cuts. Try to keep a fresh, modern, "cool", haircut.

Your clothes. This is important. Find a hip, modern style that you are comfortable with. The jeans and sneakers from 1988 are not gonna work. Study the style of successful guys.

Your vibe. Most Indians I know are very friendly and warm hearted people. This is a good thing. They are always smiling and always very gracious. I think girls sometimes see this as a weakness. Girls are crazy. They like guys who they feel can protect them. DON'T ALWAYS TRY TO WIN GIRLS OVER WITH YOUR KINDNESS. Playfully tease them, don't kiss their ass. Get in touch with your inner aggressive asshole . I think the best way to do this is to go to a boxing gym and do some sparring.

I used to like that boxer Prince Nazeem Hammed.

Keep being friendly, nice people, but understand that western women need to see your inner bad boy once in a while. If they think they can walk all over you, you have no chance. Learn to mix kindness with some occasional teasing and ordering them around like they are inferior to you. Tell them to do stuff for you and tell them that they are wrong about shit sometimes.

If you practice and study hard for a year or 2, it will start to make sense.

[CJ]

(04-12-2011 04:05 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Doesn't Roosh himself kinda put this whole arguement down? He's dark skinned, dark haired, dark eyed, not sure how tall he is though.

That's what I was thinking...

Spin has over a dozen topics posted about how he can't get any girls because "night game is dead", now we move from that to this... ugh.

Dude, I say this, trying to help you, but you really need to stop blaming all your surrounding factors and look in the mirror and fix what is broken inside you. Until you bring your internal game up to snuff, you're not going to see any results.

[thegmanifesto]

Gio-

"I used to like that boxer Prince Nazeem Hammed. "

I think he was from Sheffield UK by way of Yemen, not Indian.

You point stands none the less.

If you act with that kind of flair, you are bound to swoop girls.

I was never really a fan of the cat though (although he was entertaining as hell). Marco Antonio Barrera cooked him like a quesadilla con extra guac and some lengua tacos.

[ModernRUBIROSA]

It's all a mindset... I have sh*t on tall muscular white guys mainly off of my personality. I am 5'6, asian and have worked against tall good looking white guys here in L.A.(in venues like Trousdale, Hemmingways, Roxbury, etc.) and in Vegas. Now I have never really been to smaller towns in the midwest but I would say I have done well in Scottsdale and Palm Springs, CA which is kind of similar? I dont know you guys tell me. But the key is personality and showing your true value. I said in a previous post somewhere here, I truly now believe game is all subcomm and tight verbals...Subcommunicate your the sh*t, reel em in, and handle the rest with your verbals.