[Kafka]

3 members of the Dutch biker club No Surrender (who I'm not familiar with, but are apparently local rivals of the Hell's Angels and the Banditos) have gone to Iraq to fight with Kurdish forces against ISIS.
Pretty badass I'd say, good luck to them!

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraq-isis-news-...te-1470080

[Foolsgo1d]

I'm all for volunteers fighting ISIS but really, get into shape first. You're not exactly going to peak your head round a corner before your belly are you?

[Feisbook Control]

Reading the title of this thread, I laughed out loud. It sounded like the premise of the next Quentin Tarantino movie.

[Dr. Howard]

(10-15-2014 04:23 AM)Kafka Wrote:  

3 members of the Dutch biker club No Surrender (who I'm not familiar with, but are apparently local rivals of the Hell's Angels and the Banditos) have gone to Iraq to fight with Kurdish forces against ISIS.
Pretty badass I'd say, good luck to them!

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraq-isis-news-...te-1470080

Hell's Angels and Banditos have chapters in Holland?

[rottenapple]

(10-15-2014 08:16 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 04:23 AM)Kafka Wrote:  

3 members of the Dutch biker club No Surrender (who I'm not familiar with, but are apparently local rivals of the Hell's Angels and the Banditos) have gone to Iraq to fight with Kurdish forces against ISIS.
Pretty badass I'd say, good luck to them!

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraq-isis-news-...te-1470080

Hell's Angels and Banditos have chapters in Holland?

Sure thing, Belgium as well. Once in a while they kill someone or burn a club house. The se groups are very well spread in the world.

[WanderingSoul]

HA tried to go to Vietnam to fight back in the day as well.

[Sebastian]

Those are type of people who just hate the society. Im sure they talk about Fuck the govt and other political debates. They are just mad. They need to vent it out. Thats why they are going there.

[Maciano]

(10-15-2014 08:16 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 04:23 AM)Kafka Wrote:  

3 members of the Dutch biker club No Surrender (who I'm not familiar with, but are apparently local rivals of the Hell's Angels and the Banditos) have gone to Iraq to fight with Kurdish forces against ISIS.
Pretty badass I'd say, good luck to them!

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraq-isis-news-...te-1470080

Hell's Angels and Banditos have chapters in Holland?

Oh shit yeah.

Hells Angels Netherlands are a very important chapter to all European Hell's Angels chapters. They're a menace to social order and have relations with famous career criminals. The Hells Angels Netherlands chapter is aging, and so new clubs like Satudarah (related to Bandidos) and No Surrender have taken the void.

No Surrender has been created by career criminals like Willem Holleeder (kidnapper of late Freddy Heineken among other things), Willem van Boxtel (former Hells Angels president, forced out after being accused of a murder plot to kill Willem Holleeder) and Dick Vrij (former freefight champion, now in custody for leading a criminal organization to extort drug dealers & shady real estate owners, smuggle harddrugs).

No Surrender is very, very hardcore. Dutch organized crime is up there with the worst of them, would definitely make Hollywood if better known & makes for very good reading.

[Enigma]

Am I the only one that read the thread title and thought of this?

[w00t]

(10-15-2014 01:17 PM)Maciano Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 08:16 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  

(10-15-2014 04:23 AM)Kafka Wrote:  

3 members of the Dutch biker club No Surrender (who I'm not familiar with, but are apparently local rivals of the Hell's Angels and the Banditos) have gone to Iraq to fight with Kurdish forces against ISIS.
Pretty badass I'd say, good luck to them!

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraq-isis-news-...te-1470080

Hell's Angels and Banditos have chapters in Holland?

Oh shit yeah.

Hells Angels Netherlands are a very important chapter to all European Hell's Angels chapters. They're a menace to social order and have relations with famous career criminals. The Hells Angels Netherlands chapter is aging, and so new clubs like Satudarah (related to Bandidos) and No Surrender have taken the void.

No Surrender has been created by career criminals like Willem Holleeder (kidnapper of late Freddy Heineken among other things), Willem van Boxtel (former Hells Angels president, forced out after being accused of a murder plot to kill Willem Holleeder) and Dick Vrij (former freefight champion, now in custody for leading a criminal organization to extort drug dealers & shady real estate owners, smuggle harddrugs).

No Surrender is very, very hardcore. Dutch organized crime is up there with the worst of them, would definitely make Hollywood if better known & makes for very good reading.

any good books on the topic you could recommend?

[Cattle Rustler]

(10-15-2014 01:46 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

Am I the only one that read the thread title and thought of this?

Neil Skywalker?

Spike?

[Maciano]

[/quote]

any good books on the topic you could recommend?
[/quote]

They're mostly in Dutch, but I'd recommend Peter R. de Vries - "The Kidnapping of Alfred Heineken". It's written from the perspective of the leader of the (beer tycoon) Heineken kidnappers, Cor van Hout. They prepared the kidnap (worldnews at the time) in excruciating detail and planned for almost everything. It's a very cool book -- and a coward crime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_R._de...y_Heineken

(Peter R de Vries is also the journalist who demasked Joran van der Sloot as Nathalie Holloway's killer.)

There's a book of once greatest softdrug dealer of Western Europe Klaas Bruinsma "De Dominee" (The minister). It's a classic Scarface tale of the rise and fall of a top criminal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaas_Bruinsma_(drug_lord)

There's also "De Endstra Tapes", a scripted dialogue between real estate magnate Endstra & Dutch recherche (FBI) on how he got himself involved with the worst people in the underworld. The detail of crimes and sociopathy of the main nemesis, Willem Holleeder, truly stand out. Sadly, it's only in Dutch. It's a great lesson for guys who think easy money's worth the pay-off.