[Libertas]

(02-15-2016 10:06 PM)cubanlinx Wrote:  

Wait wait. As shitty as this state of affairs is, now rapefugees have both game and no-game?

No sarcasm implied. But I read the invasion thread and then this thread has posters saying he'd be swimming in it if he was a "migrant".

They don't have game. They just get a pass from the powers that be because of their race/religion.

There's been some debate here before as to what was highest on the SJW totem pole - race or feminism, especially that brand catering to white women. Cologne proved it was race.

Feminism is just a tool to undermine sex relations and emasculate men, especially white men. It doesn't care about women.

[ChickenLover9T9]

Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:

All of the developments that you detail in your article have one aim in mind: To maximally control male sexuality so that women generally may accrue even more power and influence in society, albeit at the cost of men. Feminists at some level seem to have grasped the basic truth that male sexual energy is the greatest threat to a furtherance of their own ends and that it is this that they must seek to constrain if they are to take us to that Orwellian and dystopic future in which men will need permission before they even approach a woman. This may sound like hyperbole, but I seriously believe this is the path on which we are now headed and that this scenario will come to pass sooner or later unless men as a collective wake up and take aversive action soon. But in countries such as the US and UK I seriously doubt whether this is a realistic possibility any longer and fear that the rot is already too far advanced.

While in the UK, I've not had any experience of white knights stepping to me, or of girls calling security on me. Many of them are apologetic and nervous. Apart from sheer luck, my only guess is my initial impression - I have masculine features and a cheeky vocal tonality, and I talk to strangers as if I have known them for years. But despite my strengths, I am leaning towards luck.

If a 9 year old in the Anglosphere can get charged with sexual harrassment for writing a barely intelligible love letter, or a man can get charged with rape for walking past a woman, at the most brushing past her for half a second as he made his way to wherever he was going, then any rational man would begin to wonder, what else is possible?

I've written before how the one thing that made this whole woman-centric culture is thirst, and the rampant white knighting that comes from this thirst. White knighting isn't just a co-worker of a girl giving you a hard time because you talked to his crush for a few seconds. It goes right up to the top of the government because although women are increasingly represented in powerful roles, it is the men who originally put them there, and the men who still dominate government, who still make all these laws, and therefore, sexual harrassment cases against letter writing 9 year old boys possible. Somewhere in the back of the mind of all men who have changed the UK government to the point where it favors women to the extent of white heterosexual men being considered an underclass, dare I say it sub-human, apart from the rare celebrity all women admire, is the latent hope that they will gain the approval of women and ultimately get sexual rewards from them. It's a form of "game" which is not only extremely weak and feeble, but it is also highly dishonorable, because it involves throwing your entire gender and race, millions upon millions of innocent men, under the bus.

I have a few stories of sexual harrassment that happened to me at the hands of girls in school, but those were the days when people didn't make such a massive deal about such things, even boy on girl sexual harrassment. I'm not traumatized by these experiences, I just got on with life. Tons of things have harmed me more in life, and while I don't condone genuine crimes of sexual harrassment by men on women, there are many crimes far worse. There's so much irrational hysteria about any kind of expression of healthy male sexuality that it is now no longer just a paranoid 1000000/1 long shot that if you approach women in the UK with innocuous conversation, you will eventually face various degrees of white knight intervention and/or police charges. It is no longer for those scared shut-ins wearing tinfoil hats. If you look at the UK government and its half hour long discussion of banning Roosh from the UK and classifying RoK as a hate speech/terrorist level organization, you know just how far we have come towards that tinfoil hat dystopia.

There are likely to be "rape quotas" enforced whereby a certain amount of men must be charged and convicted of rape as part of government policy to "protect women". The problem is that you cannot invent rape where it does not exist, so they are going to inevitably pull innocent men into emotionally and financially costly legal proceedngs. When you are living in such a kind of dystopia, it is very hard to see outside. When Hitler was at the height of his powers and jews were the hunted underclass, nearly the whole population got on board, believing the propaganda machine. Those who dissented and were caught faced complete ruin. "Quotas" were employed in the USSR, so they had to pick random people off the streets to make up the numbers. Roosh has had to flee the USA. He is now essentially a fugitive, because he wrote books and articles on how to recover one's masculinity and bang hot women. He would most likely be banned from CA, AU, NZ, UK if he tried to enter any of these again. In 2016 if you are in the UK and approach 1000 women on the streets, indirectly and politely, you will be very lucky indeed not to have some sort of charges brought against you.

I can only agree with your point that the rot is already too far advanced for anything to be salvaged. Wherever you turn the statistics against men and in favor of women are plain to see. Feminists dismiss this as whining, the irony of all ironies as these beasts are the best at playing the victim and crying wolf. I can only go off real facts, real statistics, real numbers, and make my current risk assessments of the UK accordingly, as well as the trend and therefore where we are likely to be in the next 3, 5, 10 years.

It honestly doesn't look good. We can improve ourselves as much as we want, but if we remain in a highly toxic environment to us, an environment which is rigged against us, then failure is still most likely. As men we want to take personal responsibility for everything, but there comes a point when all signs are pointing to an extremely toxic environment, and as much as we do not wish to blame externalities, sometimes we must, in order to seek greener pastures. I think we all know what this means.

[tynamite]

(02-16-2016 01:12 AM)ChickenLover9T9 Wrote:  

If a 9 year old in the Anglosphere can get charged with sexual harrassment for writing a barely intelligible love letter, or a man can get charged with rape for walking past a woman, at the most brushing past her for half a second as he made his way to wherever he was going, then any rational man would begin to wonder, what else is possible?

I've written before how the one thing that made this whole woman-centric culture is thirst, and the rampant white knighting that comes from this thirst. White knighting isn't just a co-worker of a girl giving you a hard time because you talked to his crush for a few seconds. It goes right up to the top of the government because although women are increasingly represented in powerful roles, it is the men who originally put them there, and the men who still dominate government, who still make all these laws, and therefore, sexual harrassment cases against letter writing 9 year old boys possible. Somewhere in the back of the mind of all men who have changed the UK government to the point where it favors women to the extent of white heterosexual men being considered an underclass, dare I say it sub-human, apart from the rare celebrity all women admire, is the latent hope that they will gain the approval of women and ultimately get sexual rewards from them. It's a form of "game" which is not only extremely weak and feeble, but it is also highly dishonorable, because it involves throwing your entire gender and race, millions upon millions of innocent men, under the bus. tures. I think we all know what this means.

Yeah I can expand on that fully, but that's for my article later.

In the university I go to, on the student union website, I went on their code of conduct, and it says that in the accusation of sexual harassment, they always believe the side of the woman no matter what. It says that demands for sexual/acts favours and "unwanted" sexual comments is sexual harassment. They call it a zero tolerance policy. I can't believe that draconian policy never got put under the microscope. We are living in a culture where the word rape means he didn't give me tingles, and women swiftly reprimand the beta (and alpha) men they dishonestly say they want, at will. Not giving a girl tingles when you flirt or approach her puts you in the same bracket as Jimmy Saville, and the authorities always believe the woman no matter what because women never lie when there is reasonable doubt. My uni is corrupt, punishing innocent men and declaring that they do that, and the West is so matriarchial I can't even report it. And in America a man got kicked out of uni because a girl said he raped her, even after he showed them the proof of consent on his phone as text messages. He had to complain to the media to get back in. Feminists are perverting due course, subverting the course of justice, and innocent before proven guilty, in universities worldwide, but no, "men hold all the power"! We now have systematic false rape factories.

[Disco_Volante]

When I was in kindergarten I had a huge crush on this 1st grader, but I had never talked to her or anything.
So at recess on the playground I decided to walk up and kiss her on the cheek. Then I walked away lol.

Later that day another teacher pulls me out of class and tells me I shouldn't be kissing girls at my age.
In hindsight, that girl didn't know my name or anything. So for her to rat on me, there must've been quite a group discussion about my profile.

But hey, I got what I wanted. Fortune favors the bold

[tynamite]

Look what I found, in Britain again.
(UK) Innocent men now can be ordered to to tell police if he plans to have sex

[rw95]

(02-15-2016 10:40 PM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 02:09 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

(02-15-2016 08:43 AM)tynamite Wrote:  

So how do we turn the clock back and solve all this, so that 9 year olds aren't charged with sexual harassment for writing love letters? How can a man compliment or make a sexual advance towards a woman without being an objectifying rapist? Well liberals are crazy with their byzantine logic, so all I can do is be neomasculine and try to destroy cultural marxism. They act like whiny bitches making petitions on change.org when we win in life and actually do things.

I think we need to start being realistic. WE CAN'T. The cancer is too far spread to cure. Neomasculinity is basically a way of us holding the higher moral ground while everything crumbles around us. It can't be stopped. Expatriating will do no good. We're seeing how rapidly things are changing in South America and Eastern Europe. In a few years' time they will be indistinguishable from the Anglosphere. Having a family won't do any good. You can't have a family with an ex-carousel rider (and that's what our options are going to be, most girls start as early as middle school now, so the odds of finding a virgin are ever-decreasing), and why bring children into the world if our sons will be shamed their whole lives for being male and our daughters pressured to become careerist sluts? Even gaming forever will do no good. I am convinced we're only a few years off from their being legislation passed limiting sexual activity of some kind (likely sexual relationships of a particular age gap, regardless of consent). I guess all that's left is to have our fun while we still can. But the question is how much time is left?

Are you sure that countries in EE will get this bad? I don't see a Hungarian 9 yo getting the same treatment for writing a love letter. I hear a lot of comments that the PC, feminazi mentality in the anglo countries does not exist there. You think it could be exported there?

Not only can, it will. It's only a matter of time.

[armenia4ever]

Feminism may have some influence on Eastern Europe, but it won't be anything similar to what its done to Western Europe. Eastern Europeans countries will never get as bad as Western Europe and history is the reason for this statement.

While almost all of Europe has been involved in wars with itself, the areas which have faced actual outside invaders in the last thousand years or so are almost exclusively located in Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Because of this a type of distrust toward outside invaders and their ideologies, their culture in particular has been resistant toward outside influence, even in times of great peril.

Consider that not only could the Turks or the Golden Horde not wipe out the culture of the Greeks, the Bulgarians, the Romanians, ect but neither could the USSR and even before that constant conflict with Russia (Novogorod, Muscovoy, Vladimir, ect.) Because of their "oppression"- real oppression in this case, their communities were forced to become tight-knit and trust was built, as well as a common and very resilient culture.

It also breeds a different type of people. They didn't have time to waste in a gender studies class in Ukraine. Conflict and survival were the primary consumers of their time. Think of the cultural impact this has.

Notice how Russia is so resistant toward Western ideas - specifically that of Feminism? While Russia did become great consider how many years it spent paying tribute to stave off invasion - which still happened - toward the Golden Horde (The Tartars) for over 200 years. Then throw in the "Northern Crusades" aka the repeated conflicts with Eastern Europe itself and Finland/Sweden. (Goes back 800 years?)

Soft cultures tend to become decadent and become easily influenced by destructive worldviews such as feminism. The softer and easier things get, you'll notice that pattern.

Notice how feminism hasn't had much of an influence in Serbia or Croatia? Conflict. Very recent conflict to add to years of trying to stave off the Ottoman empire. How about Poland? Hungary? Romania? Slovenia?

More on this later as I expand my thoughts.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

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Notice how feminism hasn't had much of an influence in Serbia or Croatia?

Hold your horses. Croatia has some of the world's most savage rape, divorce and prostitution laws, as well as numerous hate speech and badthink prohibitions.

While we did suffer a lot, I think that the simpler explanation for Croatia being so sadly cucked is the fact that Croatia has not been independent for over a thousand years, and is thus psychologically groomed towards running to stronger nations (Germany, France, UK, EU) and trying to prove to themselves what an amazing and dutiful slave it's going to be.

[ChickenLover9T9]

tynamite Wrote:

Yeah I can expand on that fully, but that's for my article later.

In the university I go to, on the student union website, I went on their code of conduct, and it says that in the accusation of sexual harassment, they always believe the side of the woman no matter what. It says that demands for sexual/acts favours and "unwanted" sexual comments is sexual harassment. They call it a zero tolerance policy.

This is not only in UK universities, but it has infected and continues to infect the legal system.

In the recent discussion the UK parliament had about Roosh and his "terrorist" "hate group", one MP actually said that all accusations of rape or sexual assault must be taken seriously. In the UK this is increasingly being interpreted as "guilty until proven innocent beyond reasonable doubt" rather than the opposite. This places the burden of proof on the accused rather than the accuser. Nowadays, filming sexual encounters becomes a sad necessity. A disturbingly large number of men have been exonerated due to having video or audio evidence, without which a large percentage of them would have been convicted.

Yet the UK government still manages to come out with peaches such as the following:

UK Parliament Wrote:

The statistics show that we do not live in an equal society. They indicate that for too many women, this is still a broken society. With one voice, this Parliament should say, “Enough is enough.”

If there were any doubt that this debate is needed, by chance it falls in the week in which we have witnessed an angry outcry across the UK about the ridiculous and attention-seeking pro-rape blogger Roosh V. This small, pathetic excuse of a man has some of the most abhorrent views that I have come across, and is endangering the lives of women to further his own career. The views he expresses highlight the long journey that we still have to travel to ensure real, not perceived, equality for women.

...

UK Parliament Wrote:

I can confidently declare that the vast majority of men are appalled at his suggestion that rape should be legal on private property. Roosh V’s views are clearly abhorrent, but the events organised in his name offer us an important reminder. No matter how much progress we have made or continue to make on preventing violence against women, we can never become complacent.

Unfortunately, the views of too many men remain stubbornly fixed in the ancient past, and sometimes such views will become uncomfortably apparent to us. We have all been there when—some day, some place—a person makes a joke that we find offensive. When we do not laugh or we perhaps express our dismay, the response is usually the same: “It’s just a joke”. However, we know better; it is not just a joke. It is a reflection of something deeply hidden: a misplaced and perhaps unintended view against a person, situation or aspect of life that we believe is not suitable to be mocked or laughed at.

These quotes if I am reading the transcripts correctly are from male MPs. In their world still more must be done in favor of women (and to the detriment of men) to achieve "equality".

Also interesting is that it is totally fine for them to mock and insult Roosh, but it is completely unacceptable for anyone to tell a joke which offends them.

Feminist says "kill all men", fine.

Roosh says "women should exercise personal responsibility and consider not getting shitfaced and going into a random man's home", everybody freaks the fuck out.

It's worrying when you realize that these MPs are the people who rule the country. They draft and vote on laws, laws which can have a huge impact on certain people nationwide. Men who are aware of what is actually going on in the UK should ask themselves whether they feel safe in this environment knowing that these are the kind of discussions taking place in Parliament.

The trend is firmly set towards "comply with our definition of 'equality' or you will be ruined". The freedoms men have left will be gradually eroded.

It saddens me to think about other countries e.g. EE going the same way as the UK and the Anglosphere, but this does seem to be the trend. However, I would like to hope that strong nationalist forces such as those in Poland can resist it for as long as possible. I would also like to think something will happen to stop the poison in the Anglosphere ruining other countries. What that something is, I do not know. But I must have hope otherwise the future looks very bleak, and when I see the world in this way it only leads to lack of action. What is the point in trying when everything will end up completely fucked anyway?

[rw95]

(02-16-2016 12:46 PM)ChickenLover9T9 Wrote:  

The trend is firmly set towards "comply with our definition of 'equality' or you will be ruined". The freedoms men have left will be gradually eroded.

It saddens me to think about other countries e.g. EE going the same way as the UK and the Anglosphere, but this does seem to be the trend. However, I would like to hope that strong nationalist forces such as those in Poland can resist it for as long as possible. I would also like to think something will happen to stop the poison in the Anglosphere ruining other countries. What that something is, I do not know. But I must have hope otherwise the future looks very bleak, and when I see the world in this way it only leads to lack of action. What is the point in trying when everything will end up completely fucked anyway?

I don't know how so many of you guys manage to keep going. WE ARE FUCKED! All Eastern Europe and other non-Anglosphere parts of the world can do is push it off, but the end result is the same. There is no future to look forward to.

[tynamite]

[source]

Here's an article by Shield Wife that debunks the entire objectification argument.

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Hello again! This is Shield Wife. I would like to start off by thanking everyone who subscribed to my channel and left encouraging comments on my last video. I originally wanted to reply to every comment personally, though I’m not sure I will have the time to. I did want to let you know that I read every one of them and I appreciate every comment even if I don’t reply.

Now, I would like to discuss another frequently used word that is nothing more than an expression of misandry. That word is objectification. What does this word even really mean? Well, it’s hard to say. I’ve noticed that feminists like to use words that are deliberately vague or the have shifting definitions so that it lets them better obscure their intentions or weasel their way through arguments. They claim that objectification is when a man turns a woman into an object. I think that it is more accurate to say that in almost every case the word used, it is meant not to express turning someone into an object, but rather to degrade male sexuality.

Objectification merely expresses a hatred and disgust for male sexual desires. It is a tool to try to shame men for having feelings which are entirely natural and benign.

Feminists complain that when a man sees a woman and feels attraction towards her, he is not seeing her as a complex human being, but instead merely seeing her through the lens of his own desires and his own ends. Thus, objectifying her. Well, I have news for you, that happens all the time with the people we encounter in our daily lives, and it is not nearly as evil as feminists seem to want to paint it.

For example, when the pizza delivery guy brings me a pizza, that is usually the most important thing about him, at least to me. I can’t put that much thought into what his home life is like, how his parents treated him as a child, or if he is happy or sad with his life. I just want the pizza.

And honestly, there is nothing wrong with that. Just because I don’t fully appreciate the depth of humanity in each and every person I come across doesn’t mean that I have dehumanized them in my mind. It doesn’t mean that they are objects to me or that I would mistreat them. Along the same lines, if I see someone attractive, I might feel lust towards them while at the same time may not consider all of the complex things happening in that person’s life. That doesn’t degrade them in any way, doesn’t make them more of an object.

I mean, you could walk down a city street with a hundred people and not give too much thought to any single person, you might notice an old guy, maybe a policeman, and there might be a girl who is really hot. There is no reason to think that the pretty girl is less human in your mind than the old guy just because you are more attracted to her. And she is not an object just because you’re thinking about having sex with her, anymore than the policeman is an object because you worry he might give you a ticket.

The truth is that none of us can fully appreciate the humanity of people who are not intimately a part of our lives. So why does male attraction towards females get labelled as objectification? Because the idea of “objectification” expresses misandry in such a way that virtually every man is guilty, virtually every man can be shamed. Every man can be painted as someone with sociopathic tendencies, which is what viewing other people as objects really implies.

It is one of many ways that feminists seek to enforce a hypocritical double standard, where women can dress or act provocatively and reap the full benefits of doing so, but when men react in a way which is only natural, it is somehow wrong or oppressive. Also, accusations of objectification almost always pertain to how men primarily experience lust and desire: Visually. On the other hand, for sexual outlets that are usually feminine, the word hardly ever arises. For example, we often hear that pornography objectifies women, but we seldom hear about anyone being objectified by 50 Shades of Grey or other romance novels.

Feeling sexual attraction is entirely natural, humans are sexual creatures. There is nothing wrong with looking at a pretty girl and feeling attracted to her or, for that matter, looking at images of attractive women for the express purpose of gaining pleasure from it. When a movie has an attractive female lead or a commercial has a young woman in a bikini, some women condemn it as a cheap attempt to appeal to men. To which I say – what is wrong with trying to please men? Why is male sexuality seen with such negativity? Well, perhaps it is because there are such major undercurrents of misandry within our society as a result of feminism.

You may have noticed that a lot feminists these days describe themselves, at least if confronted with the topic, as sex positive feminists. I think that any woman who describes herself as being sex positive while believing in objectification, which means writing off half of the population as perverted sociopaths, is a hypocrite and not sex positive at all. More accurately, she is positive about her own sexuality and thinks that her attraction somehow mystically gauges the character of men – as I mentioned in my creepy video – while being able to dismiss the desires of men as base and degenerate.

This isn’t to say that there aren’t men out there who act inappropriately towards women, who use women for sex, or who are jerks. There are plenty of men who are immoral, just like there are plenty of women who are immoral and who exploit men. In fact, there are probably more women who exploit men, as our misandrist culture condones and facilitates it. In any case, the fact that bad people exist has nothing to do with male sexuality or the visual nature of their attraction.

Now, there is another side to objectification that feminists like to pretend doesn’t exist. And that is gay men. When the issue of gay men arises, feminists start becoming even more vague and try to change the subject. See, gay men don’t fit into the patriarchal objectification paradigm that feminists want to live in. They have a sexuality not that different from straight men in that they are highly visual, yet their attraction is directed towards other men. Does that mean that they see other men as nothing more than lowly sex objects? Does it mean that a man can look at someone lustfully without degrading that person? No, it can’t be that, then the entire objectification myth crumbles. So, it’s better just to avoid thinking about it too much, and luckily, not thinking is something that most feminists are pretty good at.

This is why I disregard any accusations of “objectification” in any kind of media. It generally just means that it has something in it that might appeal to a straight man. Feminists have created a term that makes men seem like sociopaths –you see, it dovetails into their conviction that all men are potential rapists. The same group of people who claim all the glory for the sexual revolution of the 60’s are trying as hard as they can to repress men’s sexuality, to shame them into only having the feelings that women give them permission to have.

That’s all for now. I have a couple more videos planned that will be posted in the weeks to come. Until then, don’t forget to subscribe, and if you’d like to support my channel, you can donate at my blog, which I’ll link below.

https://shieldwife.wordpress.com/2013/01...ification/

Somehow it's bad for Robin Thicke to have half naked women parading around for the purpose of a man in Blurred Lines, but Miley Cyrus can have a softcore porn video called Wrecking Ball and play with inflatable dildos on stage, and nobody bats an eyelid.

No "anti-objectification" feminist ever complains about Miley Cyrus promoting sexual hedonism to kids on stage.













Compare that to this.

NSFW http://imgur.com/a/vaQxV

Blurred Lines got banned in British universities. You know what's up.

It's amazing how men are forced to lose their homes, assets and income for having a lifetime of sex and that's legal, but they cannot pay for a day of sex whilst keeping their livelihoods as that's illegal. People are too concerned with the "Human Rights Campaign" getting everyone worldwide to change their avatar to the red equal sign to get gay marriage legalised which it now has been, when everything you can do married you can do not married.

[DCM]

(02-15-2016 10:40 PM)jackson.henley Wrote:  

Are you sure that countries in EE will get this bad? I don't see a Hungarian 9 yo getting the same treatment for writing a love letter. I hear a lot of comments that the PC, feminazi mentality in the anglo countries does not exist there. You think it could be exported there?

It would get pretty bad in Hungary if the left took control. They have very similar ideas to liberal parties in western countries. The left has been destroyed by the ruling conservative party to the point of practically not having any organised presence in the country though, so it will take at least a few election cycles for them to stand a chance again.

The population (especially guys) wouldn't be swayed rapidly either if a liberal government came into power.

[tynamite]

Click the image for the article.

[griffinmill]

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A 9-year-old Florida boy could face sexual harassment charges for penning love notes to a girl in his class, his furious mother said.

The tiny admirer gushed about his crush, telling her she's "pretty and cute" while boldly revealing his feelings for her in the handwritten loose-leaf letter, ABC Action News reported.

"I like you," the Tampa fourth grader in the Hillsborough County Public Schools district wrote inside a heart drawing. "I like your hair because it is not sloppy. I like your eyes because they sparkle like diamonds."

This love note a 9-year-old boy in Florida wrote to his crush has gotten him in trouble.
WFTS-TV
This love note a 9-year-old boy in Florida wrote to his crush has gotten him in trouble.
The romantic proclamations landed the little boy in the principal's office, where school officials threatened they'd get authorities to slap him with sexual harassment charges, according to ABC.

They said his pining was inappropriate and came in several "unwanted" letters.

It also prompted other students to tease the young writer, saying he wanted to see the girl naked, though the notes never expressed any sexual intentions, the news station said.

"He's 9," said the boy's mother, who wasn't identified. "What little kid doesn't write love notes? My 9-year-old doesn't even know what sexual harassment means."

Hillsborough school district officials did not immediately return requests for comment Thursday.

A 9-year-old student at a Hillsborough school in Tampa, Fla. has be threatened with sexual harassment charges after passing a love note to a fellow student.
WFTS-TV
A 9-year-old student at a Hillsborough school in Tampa, Fla. has be threatened with sexual harassment charges after passing a love note to a fellow student.

[StrikeBack]

Gonna be very tough for this generation of kids to learn Game when they grow up. How are they going to practice if not-perfect-Game gets labelled sexual harassment or worse, lands them in the sex offender registry?

[spokepoker]

How will game evolve/men adapt to, if this becomes the norm?

[jackson.henley]

(02-16-2016 12:33 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

Feminism may have some influence on Eastern Europe, but it won't be anything similar to what its done to Western Europe. Eastern Europeans countries will never get as bad as Western Europe and history is the reason for this statement.

While almost all of Europe has been involved in wars with itself, the areas which have faced actual outside invaders in the last thousand years or so are almost exclusively located in Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Because of this a type of distrust toward outside invaders and their ideologies, their culture in particular has been resistant toward outside influence, even in times of great peril.

Consider that not only could the Turks or the Golden Horde not wipe out the culture of the Greeks, the Bulgarians, the Romanians, ect but neither could the USSR and even before that constant conflict with Russia (Novogorod, Muscovoy, Vladimir, ect.) Because of their "oppression"- real oppression in this case, their communities were forced to become tight-knit and trust was built, as well as a common and very resilient culture.

It also breeds a different type of people. They didn't have time to waste in a gender studies class in Ukraine. Conflict and survival were the primary consumers of their time. Think of the cultural impact this has.

Notice how Russia is so resistant toward Western ideas - specifically that of Feminism? While Russia did become great consider how many years it spent paying tribute to stave off invasion - which still happened - toward the Golden Horde (The Tartars) for over 200 years. Then throw in the "Northern Crusades" aka the repeated conflicts with Eastern Europe itself and Finland/Sweden. (Goes back 800 years?)

Soft cultures tend to become decadent and become easily influenced by destructive worldviews such as feminism. The softer and easier things get, you'll notice that pattern.

Notice how feminism hasn't had much of an influence in Serbia or Croatia? Conflict. Very recent conflict to add to years of trying to stave off the Ottoman empire. How about Poland? Hungary? Romania? Slovenia?

More on this later as I expand my thoughts.

Playing devil’s advocate:

It was only until the 15th c. that the Moors were expelled from Spain. If you want tight nit families and a distrust of foreigners, this is the place. The Napoleonic wars wrecked havoc all across all of Europe and Hitler did not limit himself to Poland, although that is where he started. My point is that there were plenty of recent events to evoke the protective, cultural stance that you mention. However, I think we can agree that there isn’t a country in Western Europe that possesses it today.

It seems that the later a country joined the Westernization process, the more protectionism still exists. These dates seem to confirm this pattern:

1945 Germany/France,
1975 Spain (post Franco),
1989 FSU/EE

One could argue that the east block simply has yet to catch up to the rest and I see no proof that the younger generation will necessarily carry on the traditions of their elders. In fact, there is a clear conflict between the protective policies of the Visegrads set forth by the older gen. of politicians and the the young generation of SJW with regards to the incoming “Refugees” (recent protests in Poland for ex.)

Don’t forget the overt isolationism that they experienced during the Socialist regimes. If anything, their distrust of foreign influences may be born from that (in fact, it encouraged even an internal distrust). It really is the more innocent explanation. I have seen my fare share of ‘strong independent’ women in Romania, who although raised by an older generation has little in common with the pre-1989 world. If EE has such a resistance to outside influence, which is the younger gen. soaking up global culture like a sponge?

I hope I am wrong, but unfortunately the other side can be argued as well.
I hope you can rip my argument to shreds, I really do.

[Bycicleguy]

(02-16-2016 12:33 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  

Feminism may have some influence on Eastern Europe, but it won't be anything similar to what its done to Western Europe. Eastern Europeans countries will never get as bad as Western Europe and history is the reason for this statement.

While almost all of Europe has been involved in wars with itself, the areas which have faced actual outside invaders in the last thousand years or so are almost exclusively located in Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Because of this a type of distrust toward outside invaders and their ideologies, their culture in particular has been resistant toward outside influence, even in times of great peril.

Consider that not only could the Turks or the Golden Horde not wipe out the culture of the Greeks, the Bulgarians, the Romanians, ect but neither could the USSR and even before that constant conflict with Russia (Novogorod, Muscovoy, Vladimir, ect.) Because of their "oppression"- real oppression in this case, their communities were forced to become tight-knit and trust was built, as well as a common and very resilient culture.

It also breeds a different type of people. They didn't have time to waste in a gender studies class in Ukraine. Conflict and survival were the primary consumers of their time. Think of the cultural impact this has.

Notice how Russia is so resistant toward Western ideas - specifically that of Feminism? While Russia did become great consider how many years it spent paying tribute to stave off invasion - which still happened - toward the Golden Horde (The Tartars) for over 200 years. Then throw in the "Northern Crusades" aka the repeated conflicts with Eastern Europe itself and Finland/Sweden. (Goes back 800 years?)

Soft cultures tend to become decadent and become easily influenced by destructive worldviews such as feminism. The softer and easier things get, you'll notice that pattern.

Notice how feminism hasn't had much of an influence in Serbia or Croatia? Conflict. Very recent conflict to add to years of trying to stave off the Ottoman empire. How about Poland? Hungary? Romania? Slovenia?

More on this later as I expand my thoughts.

I've been thinking something like this.

Recently i saw the shitstrom on the comment section of the Richard Dawkins drama that was published here. It made me think.. i don't give a fuck about the guy, but you read those girls saying stuff like "You are a men, you can't tell us what is opression because you don't experiment it", you see them claiming to boycott his books for "supporting opression" just because he called out the ridiculousness of the girl who went mad because a guy hit on her. Yet, as you have seen the girls with her art or sociology degrees who complain about being opressed are very far from really having it hard. Let's begin with the fact that they could access to education (even if they choose wrong) there are single mothers or girls/guys who support their families who can't pay for school or go because they have to take care of their childs/mom whatever. There are tons of unemployable people working for survival who don't even have the chance to try to get better skills.

Meanwhile those girls have time to form militant organizations for the most trivial reasons, i wonder how many people who have to work 12 hours a day would find time to do something like that.

One rich girl told me once that in her country there where peasant women who where condemned to be all day at their farm homes taking care of their childs, she was kind of trying to convince me how bad it was for them because of the patriarchy. I thought it was hilarious considering that most of the history of humanity have been like that, this girl talks me of something that was the rule for 90% of people 200 years ago and at least the fourth part of the population today like if it was the most horrible thing ever that must be stopped. The most hilarous i thought was the fact she didin't even consider that the husbands of this opressed women bust their asses under the sun all day.

But the point is, you see those colored hair overweight girls swarming the comment sections and making videos for youtube about how they fight the patriarchy, and no, i'm not even talking about the anglosphere, i see that stuff in the latin "pussy paradises" as well.

Hell, as i understand the girl from the second video is from Paraguay, the second poorest country in SA, and even they are having it.

Even in chaotic societies you have this people living in bubbles, they don't know adversity, they have inhereted such standard of living that they just get rotten by it. And the internet makes it worse, it gives them power to network with others like them around the world. They have the resources and time to spread their message and recruit other hopeless but humanities educated, stupid people. So things are going to be worse.

They are just like those pampered domestic animals.

I would say this behaviour is more common in wealthy nations, we would get more like that as the standard of living gets better, but at least in latin america even a lot of high class boys still get some reality check while growing up because the predominant culture of violence. In Western Europe where they have been coddled all their lifes, they are like fat lazy dogs, and the somalians and afghans are the hungry wolves thrown at their cages.

It's a cultural sickness.

The body develops it's inmunologic system by fighting infections. Native americans found themselves face to face with europeans who where on the border with africa (portuguese and spaniards at least), have endured invasions from other cultures, and had strong immunologic systems used to the viruses that their enemies carried. On the other hand, native americans where isolated genetically and culturally to the continent. Their bodies collapsed by their enemies viruses, the same their society collapsed by being infected from a another civilization.

Eastern european society has an advanced inmunologic system by all the invasions they have endured and all the indoctrination they took from the USRR that let them to ruin their countries, though i agreeee that some countries in the balkans try to go along for some reason. I saw the other day an article that said something like "President of Serbia says merkel he supports merkel decisions concerning refugees" which is ironic considered how fucked was serbia thanks to the decisions of NATO just 20 years ago.

[tynamite]

As I said before I had a hareem of girls fighting over me and I got very popular in three days and I made new friends very rapidly through association. Because I was associated with attractive girls, other girls wanted to know who I was. I became friends with a girl who looked like a Page 3 model in the first week. She was tall, had slender legs like Alexa Chung, was blonde, looked young with soft features, had a nice voice, a nice smile, big boobs, she just looked the part. Once I became friends with her on the first week, my popularity went off the charts. Lots of girls would get butterflies in their stomach around me and I could see a lot of them have shaky legs not being able to stand up straight. They would be hyperactive and giddy and make the high pitched squeals that fangirl teenyboppers do compulsively. The girls in my class, the ones who did not like me, told me that my hareem was genuine.

I was.a heterosexual male in a girls school for two years.

When my hareem of girls start talking to me, the same friendship group, not the offshoots, my friend in the corridor watching what's going on, notices they never make an effort to talk to me so I have to do all the work. Her best friend standing right next to her, also watching everything play out, chimes in and she agrees.

Girls would ask whether they can go through my phone, and I would let them. My phone was new so it hardly had anything on it, but one of the girls accused me of having two phones. I denied it, and she put my phone down her bra then ran out the common room so she could be even more invasive than she actually was. There was no way in hell I was getting the phone back until she finished with it. She was on it for bloody ages.

I was shaving for the very first time at home and I made the mistake of putting moisturiser all over my face, so when I shaved, my face was all slippery and I had lots of cuts all over my face, that didn't fade by the morning. The next time my core hareem said hello to me, all walked up to me, and when they saw the cuts on my face, they walked off. When they thought they were out of earshot, the ringleader said "let's stop playing with him". I know I have to continue interacting with these popular losers, because I need to use them to make more friends who are better. It took two weeks for my cuts to fade and everything to go funkyfresh and cris.

Fast forward to when I try to get their number, the ringleader is giving me everyone's number. I make a joke in the most jokiest way possible, I could not have made it more of a joke if I tried, "If you don't talk to me by text, I'll go to the next girl, and if she doesn't talk to me I'll go to the next girl, and the next girl and the next girl". When I said this while we were outside leaving the school at 3pm walking down the street, I could see in my peripheral vision that everyone had stopped walking. I turn around and I see that all the girls are completely frozen and they've stopped moving. Their faces are full of disgust.

When I talk back round to talk to the ringleader, she pulls out every shaming tactic in the book, "you're a player" "you do douchebaggery" "you play mind games" and a worse one I cannot say on a public forum. Instead of standing my ground, I proceeded to defend myself and deny all the charges.

What happens next was weird. I noticed that when me and the hareem crowd (they are all friends), got to a certain point walking down the road, all the friends apart from the ringleader ALL walk off at the SAME TIME without prior social cues to do. This is not normal, I thought. Don't they love me?

"We don't like you."
"You said that you did"
"We don't. We never did"
"A girl in my class told me that you did"
"She lied"
"You told told her to tell me that you like me"
"She was lying"

The argument went on for so long that we walked past three bus stops.

I had no idea what the fuck was going on. Were these girls suffering from an inflated self worth where 5's and 6's think they deserve 10's? Did they actually like me? Did they only rebuff me that day because they didn't want to look like sluts? Were they only protecting their reputation because they knew that other girls on the road were watching, hearing their conversation, ready to gossip that they're sluts if they said yes? I had no idea what the fuck was going on.

The next day at lunch time, I went into one of the common rooms and had a nice conversation with a girl. I chose her because she's very attractive, empathetic, able to understand and judge all sides of the argument, and because she's worldly. She knows about the world. I told her the whole story and the conversation went like this.

"Why do you talk to them?"
"All my friends are not in my class, so if I don't talk to them, I'll have no friends."
"Don't talk to them ever again"
"I'm going to use them to make new friends, then when I get new friends, I won't talk to them ever again"

Next week I was looking for a computer to do my coursework and all the computers in the common room were being used. I put my ears towards the class doors to hear one of my teachers, and when I found one, I knocked on the door and asked if I could use one of the computers while she taught the class. She said yes. When the teacher finished teaching and it was time for to write on paper and talk to friends sitting next to you.

Because I already had a reputation, a pretty girl who was sat next to me, turned around and started chatting me up. She was asian but pakistani, muslim or sikh. She had sleek black hair that shines and glistens, the best hair. She had a weird complexion you don't usually see in girls nowadays. Her complexion looked like this.

A white girl who was probably jealous that an uglier race was snapping up an alpha male, turned round and said "Are you chatting him up?" sounding really stush. I instantly told her "Shut up" in a high pitched derisive voice, embarrassing her in front of the whole class. If she doesn't have anything good to say about a pretty girl chatting up an alpha male, she better not say anything at all.

After the conversation, she introduced me to her only friend who was also pretty and the same race as her, and she invited me to a party that was happening in class. So there was the pakistani/sikh/indian/muslim girl with a weird complexion I've never seen before, and another asian girl of the same type religion with a sandy complexion that looks like sand. The girl's a unique rarity.



When I get to this party, my form tutor gave me a chocolate cake with my name on it on the same day earlier on before the party, so I am showing all the girls at the party this cake to make them all jealous. No girl can hurt a male with options. I was the only male in the room and the environment was intensely sexually charged. It was as if they all wanted to fuck me right now except they don't want to be called sluts.They all wanted to take photos with me, group photos and me and the girl. They wanted me to sign their t-shirts, and I signed the boob area of a curvy girl with big boobs, and she didn't mind me doing something something that would be considered sexual harassment LOL. The female teacher in the class watching the kids, was ugly and uppity, and she didn't like me harnessing all the sexual energy off all the girls in the room. Everyone was focused on me. Not one person wasn't. The ugly teacher tried to make me leave the room, cockblocking me. Also when I signed the girls books and other girls books who weren't in the room, teachers (always female teachers) would ask me why I am talking to them.

When I saw my core hareem of girls again, I took the bohemian to one side by herself, and told her that I am not talking to her friendship group ever again, so she better give me her phone number right now or I'll give her mine, or I'm never speaking to her again. The original core hareem tried to play me even though they liked me, and I outsmarted them and managed to play them in the end.

You might be thinking that the only reason girls tried to play me is because I'm ugly or have a wack personality. Well every relationship I've ever had (platonic or not), the person has cared about me much more than I do, every time. And a girl who got paid £100 a day at 16 to stand next to a chocolate fountain, eating chocolate, talking to customers, just to sell chocolate fountains, who gets catcalled every day, even when driving her car, whose facebook was full of messages from modelling agencies telling her to model for them - she said I was cute.

If I have to deal with so much bullshit with girls as an attractive interesting male in a girls school with a hareem of girls, imagine what normal everyday attractive males have to go through to get girls, who can't benefit from pre-selection?

Britain and all western countries all have a toxic dating culture, which is enabled by their flurry white knights who women to treat them like shit. No self respecting man should go to the west to get laid or form long term spiritual enlightenment bond relationships with women.

I am creating my own culture which is a secret society and my own social network, and it'll be invite only. I've had enough of the types of people I hate and the things about society I hate.

[JWLZG]

Just how soon will it be before the death penalty will be brought in for underage "sex offenders"?

[mikado]

This reminds me of my younger days, when I was 15ish

- I made an entire website (coded all by myself) for a diary that I would update every day (in a cyber coffee with mommy's money), talking about the girl I loved and how pretty her smile was.
-I sent to a girl I loved multiple anonymous messages via Voip telling her I loved her and that she was beautiful ( now I realize she was a 4/10 )
- I once tagged some classrooms with i love messages about some girl, were never discovered but had I been, my ass would have been in serious trouble.
And other stuff

Thank God my red pill friend introduced me to the "real world ", and made me stop that shit, though I remained beta for a few years still.

I realize I could have been charge for sexual harassment and sent to jail for all this stuff if it happened in America.I hope the poor kid will deal successfully with this.

[ChickenLover9T9]

How is it a harem of girls when you're not fucking any of them?

I think they were just being typical dumbass teenage girls, they didn't truly like you. They just follow what their friends think is cool. Or maybe a few of them were prospects and you blew it. You're overthinking it.

I get your point about it still being difficult when surrounded by girls in the UK, even with a great set of circumstances it's hardly just like shooting fish in a barrel. With the widespread use of the internet, women are no longer restricted to certain social circles anymore, even if they still tend to date within them for convenience. They can get their attention from the 1000s of white knights online.

If I'm surrounded by hot girls I have to be shagging some of them to put up with their bullshit.

[tynamite]

(02-17-2016 09:01 AM)ChickenLover9T9 Wrote:  

How is it a harem of girls when you're not fucking any of them?

Because in their heads, if you don't let them cockblock and and cocktease you, you won't get laid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's how it works in Britain and other western countries. I was very aware of this fact from the get go because I never let anyone take me for an idiot. As Roosh says, water takes the shape of the container it fills. Roosh explains the factors that make western dating culture toxic on his blog, every teenager should read this. I spent 95% of my time with the girls who didn't express sexual interest, and 5% of my time with the girls who did. It was so obvious to me from the beginning, despite all the males my age congratulating me giving me thumbs up.

I'm at uni in usability class, and we're in groups of three looking at a website, and following the step by step instructions the teacher has given us, so we can create our own usability test. It's really simple, anyone can do it.

It's just two "lovebirds" flirting with each other, with relaxed eyes and soft voices. They stare at each other for 10 seconds not saying anything, which to me is not normal the way they do it. The interaction doesn't progress naturally, it's like they're being filmed. The girl picks up her phone, sees the battery is low, and instantly puts on a sultry look and effeminate voice to eliminate his logical wiring, and asks "Do you have a phone charger, by any chance?" The idiot guy says that he doesn't, in the sweetest possible way.

I'm not an idiot. I know that the girl is manipulating him. "Do you have a phone charger, by any chance." She's occiput painting. By using the words, by any chance, she can manipulate his subconscious by making him think of chances and opportunity and kindness and reciprocation and being rewarded. I came up with the very same manipulative technique she did.

So he opens up Microsoft Word so we can all get the work done, and he saves the word file on the desktop. I say "You can't save stuff on the desktop because when you turn your computer off, the file will delete. You have to save it on the network." The guy is fucking retarded. The university gives you a network drive to save your files on for a reason!

So I'm sitting there watching this vile deviant cocktease flirt with the naive retarded guy, and in the pause where we're waiting for the website to load, he can't think of anything to say, so he looks at her like he's a starving african waiting in a long queue for food aid, and he says "I'm hungry". That's his opener. The girl entertains his supplicating heart on his sleeve by pandering to his fragile and needy emotions. I don't say anything while watching the cocktease manipulate him, and later on she starts rubbing his legs for a long time without prior communication beforehand, to goad him into thinking with his penis instead of his brain.

This guy is better looking than me. I'm thinking "what the fuck!" Is this what men in university are like in 2016? No wonder women and teenagers get to take liberties. I'm dead!

[Tytalus]

My son at dinner the other night out of the blue starting groaning and moaning. My wife and I coaxed out of him that there was a musical play at his school the other day performed by the local high school. His words were, "I'm in love with this girl who was in the play. My heart hurts thinking about her because I know I'll never see her again."

My kid is just old enough to start noticing women "that way" and is similar in age to the boy in this story. My wife and I had to not laugh, but at the same time I really felt for him, I felt my feelings so strongly when I was a child that I can hardly describe it now. We did our best to assure him.

Then I see this article - can you imagine how traumatizing this would be for the 9 year old boy? This kind of event, unless there is some serious therapy will fuck up this kid for life. This story really upsets me a lot.