[Samseau]

Saw this video the other day, and I couldn't believe at how fast robots are coming along. With tech like this the US Army isn't going to be unseated for a very long time, most likely we will all die with the US on top. It's also a bit scary at the things these robots could do, as it would be impossible to rebel against infinite robot warriors/drones.

[Quintus Curtius]

Samulus is back....

Yes.........

[kbell]

I for one welcome are new robotic overlords.

I do like robots, although not if its shooting at me. I don't think they would miss. I wonder if robots would make better rulers if you could prevent human tampering of laws. They would follow a constitution to a tee.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Awesome video, I love these creatures -- I find them beautiful. I enjoyed the background song too, for once.

If dudes from the Middle Ages could be transported in time to see the spider robots just strolling around they'd be very f'ing scared, and I can't blame them. The robots would just be like, whassup.

As far as no one catching up with us anytime soon, if ever -- you've got that right.

[Roosh]

[rekruler]

I'm not sure if robotic tech has any implications wrt American military supremacy towards the rest of the world-any evidence the US is opening up some kind of huge lead in this field compared to other countries?

The true significance of venturing into robotic warfare is that it will empower elites far beyond what has been possible in the past. Just think of what power has traditionally meant: getting people to follow and obey your orders. Even supposedly totalitarian figures of ages past like Napoleon, Genghis Khan, Stalin etc were limited in what they could decree by the willingness of subordinates to carry out their commands. Genghis Khan could order his horde to rape and pillage enemy cities because his generals, officers, and horsemen were somewhat predisposed to do so at any rate. If Genghis went crazy and ordered his armies to kill and torture Mongol civilians, his troops would flat out refuse to obey these orders. In other words, absolute power has never been possible in the past because the very nature of power-getting others to obey you-has built in checks and balances based on human psychology and self interest.

This whole paradigm goes out the window the moment power is exercised without relying on the cooperation of vast numbers of humans. Imagine a world where "the ruler" controls armies of self-servicing and replicating robotic minions. His personal guard is made up of robots, so is the police force and the armed forces. In such a situation his power is truly absolute. He can order the extermination of anyone he chooses on a total whim, since robots feel neither morality nor kinship ties the way human minions would.

It's a truly frightening scenario in today's Western world. Already we are ruled by a (in many respects) alien and hostile elite that frankly does not wish us well. The actions and policies of this elite are detrimental to our current and future well being, and the only reason these policies aren't even more detrimental is that the elite draws its power from its ability to get cooperation from the masses. As such, the elite must maintain the pretense that instead of being alien and hostile, it is in fact of the people and for the people. The moment the need for that pretense is gone, watch out!

[tomtud]

Incredible work by the whole engineering team....good find samseau.

Robotic soldiers will be the nightmare of the opponent in any battlefield. Place a few in Iraq or Syria now, the Islamists will have no shock and awe videos when beheading real people. Beheading a robot won't have the same effect.

[Feisbook Control]

(09-27-2014 08:25 PM)rekruler Wrote:  

I'm not sure if robotic tech has any implications wrt American military supremacy towards the rest of the world-any evidence the US is opening up some kind of huge lead in this field compared to other countries?

The true significance of venturing into robotic warfare is that it will empower elites far beyond what has been possible in the past. Just think of what power has traditionally meant: getting people to follow and obey your orders. Even supposedly totalitarian figures of ages past like Napoleon, Genghis Khan, Stalin etc were limited in what they could decree by the willingness of subordinates to carry out their commands. Genghis Khan could order his horde to rape and pillage enemy cities because his generals, officers, and horsemen were somewhat predisposed to do so at any rate. If Genghis went crazy and ordered his armies to kill and torture Mongol civilians, his troops would flat out refuse to obey these orders. In other words, absolute power has never been possible in the past because the very nature of power-getting others to obey you-has built in checks and balances based on human psychology and self interest.

This whole paradigm goes out the window the moment power is exercised without relying on the cooperation of vast numbers of humans. Imagine a world where "the ruler" controls armies of self-servicing and replicating robotic minions. His personal guard is made up of robots, so is the police force and the armed forces. In such a situation his power is truly absolute. He can order the extermination of anyone he chooses on a total whim, since robots feel neither morality nor kinship ties the way human minions would.

It's a truly frightening scenario in today's Western world. Already we are ruled by a (in many respects) alien and hostile elite that frankly does not wish us well. The actions and policies of this elite are detrimental to our current and future well being, and the only reason these policies aren't even more detrimental is that the elite draws its power from its ability to get cooperation from the masses. As such, the elite must maintain the pretense that instead of being alien and hostile, it is in fact of the people and for the people. The moment the need for that pretense is gone, watch out!

That's all well and good so long as they don't get to the singularity. If they ever get to that, then the robots won't need/want human leaders, will they?

[The Lizard of Oz]

Feisbook, there is no "singularity". That's just a confusion.

These robots are just tools, they're no different from any other tools human beings make, just better. They're not about to become "sentient" or our "overlords". Skynet is a sweet idea for a movie but it's got nothing to do with reality. The reality is simply that human beings continue to make progress and invent better and better machines for all kinds of purposes. That's it.

[Saweeep]

Scary and amazing in equal measure.

I always laugh at those who write off American power and ingenuity…you dudes will be policing the world for mine and my children's lifetimes without doubt.

[kosko]

These robots aren't designed for combat with other nations....

Think how well these robots would function with blowing sand in the ME, or hot humid conditions in China, or frigid conditions in Russia...

The modern military is so bloated they only have a 4 month window to actively engage in campaigns as they don't like dealing with wet or cold because of all the massive amounts of bloated sophisticated equipment the lug around.

These robotics have shown when they malfunction and mess up, especially over enemy territory, it causes a crappy situation with consequences. When a spy drone malfunctioned over Iran they stole, took it apart, and were able to figure out its composites and tech very easily. You unleash a swath of these and you only need one to possibility duplicate the technology or figure out how to disengage them.

But these robo-warriors, they would function in a moderate and temperate American city on a sunny day in September though. Since the majority of their tests take place in ideal conditions here stateside, they would work perfectly in America...

The bored military industrial complex will dream up these tech advancements but yet have no idea how to plan a proper war campaign to take out a bunch of rag tags in a Iraqi city. They push on these things and then end up exhausting their use and functions in a realistic fashion and simply just strip it down and pass it down to civilians. Much of our "technological advancements" we laud today were constructed in military labs and simply just passed down when they moved onto something else. I don't care what India or China says, the USA still has the best core group of engineers and tech minds, but they have been locked up in the Military complex for decades and have not been used to their full potential in creating inventions and advancements for the common market and the common good of man.

But I will say again you will see these as robo-cops on American streets as local law enforcement slash budgets for physical officers and start to rely more and more on passed down military tech. You will see these things doing highway patrols on the Interstate before you see these things running around Basra, Iraq.

[lskdfjldsf]

Military technology always trickles down to civilians, it's an inevitability. Canned food, jet engines, the helicopter, medicine, the internet, etc. are all a result of this kind of research. Imagine the impact these robots would have on civilian life.

The military industrial complex has it's faults but because of it we'll always have a 10-20+ year edge on any conventional adversary. Even in conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan, the overwhelming majority of casualties were caused by IED's. If supply convoys and presence patrols could be replaced by robots, unconventional fights will also be more easily won.

[The Lizard of Oz]

The idea that this is somehow different in kind as far the ability of "global elites" (whoever they are) to rule the world makes no sense. What is so special about these kinds of weapons compared to any other? They still take a large number of other people to develop, operate and maintain. Do you imagine the CEOs of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan (or whoever the "global elites" are supposed to be) sitting around in a closed room which no one can penetrate with remote controls to all the robots? How exactly is the sinister rule of everyone by "global elites" using these robots supposed to work?

No. What is true about this is exactly what Samseau noted: the US is way, way ahead of everyone else in the development of these capacities (as well as many others) and this ensures US military superiority over its competitors for the foreseeable future.

[rekruler]

(09-27-2014 08:55 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

The idea that this is somehow different in kind as far the ability of "global elites" (whoever they are) to rule the world makes no sense. What is so special about these kinds of weapons compared to any other? They still take a large number of other people to develop, operate and maintain. Do you imagine the CEOs of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan (or whoever the "global elites" are supposed to be) sitting around in a closed room which no one can penetrate with remote controls to all the robots? How exactly is the sinister rule of everyone by "global elites" using these robots supposed to work?

No. What is true about this is exactly what Samseau noted: the US is way, way ahead of everyone else in the development of these capacities (as well as many others) and this ensures US military superiority over its competitors for the foreseeable future.

Who is the "US?" Who benefits from "US" military superiority over competitors? I am a citizen of this "US" and so far as I can tell the only externality that comes my way from all these expensive toys is that I get to keep less and less of my paycheck. Meanwhile, Mexicans continue flooding across the border unopposed and Somali gangs are thriving in Minneapolis despite the advanced military widgets my hard earned money is funding. Whoever it is that benefits from our military supremacy it certainly isn't me nor anyone I know. In fact I'd rather the "US" was bumped down a few notches. At least that way, maybe foreign governments wouldn't feel so obliged to report my every little financial activity to the IRS under threat of stealth bombers. The USA used to be a great place but these days it's probably not your friend.

As to the rest of your post, there is a definite difference between autonomous robots and mere weapons that should be completely obvious to anyone. Hint: one is merely a tool that require a human to wield it, the other isn't.

[Feisbook Control]

(09-27-2014 08:33 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Feisbook, there is no "singularity". That's just a confusion.

These robots are just tools, they're no different from any other tools human beings make, just better. They're not about to become "sentient" or our "overlords". Skynet is a sweet idea for a movie but it's got nothing to do with reality. The reality is simply that human beings continue to make progress and invent better and better machines for all kinds of purposes. That's it.

For now. The push towards the singularity surely isn't that hard to imagine. For example, there might be situations where they want/need the robots to be a little more intelligent and capable of analysing/thinking in a situation. Whether it's the actual robots or a computer back at HQ doing the thinking is irrelevant. It's all incremental, of course, until a threshold. I'm not saying that I think that a singularity will happen, but I'm not ruling it out, either. By definition, unintended consequences are unintended.

EDIT: I actually don't think there's going to be a technological singularity because I think that the U.S. is going to implode demographically and economically within the next couple of decades. The singularity is in a real race against time against such very strong countervailing forces.

Also, to suggest that the U.S. will retain a monopoly on this kind of technology seems a little far-fetched to me. Whether it's through independent development or reverse engineering captured equipment, it's hard to imagine that these kinds of things will remain in only one set of hands. That's not the nature of technology. Sure, seventy years ago, the New Guineans weren't exactly building military aircraft, but the Japanese were. Likewise, I don't think the Palestinians would be able to muster the collective intelligence to reverse engineer one of these robots, but it's absurd to think that the Chinese wouldn't, or even that they wouldn't come up with something like this on their own at some point.

rek: Not only does that technology cost you money whilst your country goes to shit, it would actively be used against you or those like you if any of you ever got ideas about a second revolution to defend against tyranny.

[monster]

(09-27-2014 08:51 PM)kosko Wrote:  

These robots aren't designed for combat with other nations....

You're right. These robots will ultimately be used against us.

We are one step closer to the dystopian George Orwell and Philip K Dick nightmare futures.

[Jack198]

(09-27-2014 08:51 PM)kosko Wrote:  

These robots aren't designed for combat with other nations....

Think how well these robots would function with blowing sand in the ME, or hot humid conditions in China, or frigid conditions in Russia...

The modern military is so bloated they only have a 4 month window to actively engage in campaigns as they don't like dealing with wet or cold because of all the massive amounts of bloated sophisticated equipment the lug around.

These robotics have shown when they malfunction and mess up, especially over enemy territory, it causes a crappy situation with consequences. When a spy drone malfunctioned over Iran they stole, took it apart, and were able to figure out its composites and tech very easily. You unleash a swath of these and you only need one to possibility duplicate the technology or figure out how to disengage them.

But these robo-warriors, they would function in a moderate and temperate American city on a sunny day in September though. Since the majority of their tests take place in ideal conditions here stateside, they would work perfectly in America...

The bored military industrial complex will dream up these tech advancements but yet have no idea how to plan a proper war campaign to take out a bunch of rag tags in a Iraqi city. They push on these things and then end up exhausting their use and functions in a realistic fashion and simply just strip it down and pass it down to civilians. Much of our "technological advancements" we laud today were constructed in military labs and simply just passed down when they moved onto something else. I don't care what India or China says, the USA still has the best core group of engineers and tech minds, but they have been locked up in the Military complex for decades and have not been used to their full potential in creating inventions and advancements for the common market and the common good of man.

But I will say again you will see these as robo-cops on American streets as local law enforcement slash budgets for physical officers and start to rely more and more on passed down military tech. You will see these things doing highway patrols on the Interstate before you see these things running around Basra, Iraq.

All very true, except the part about the spy drone malfunctioning over Iran - that was a deliberate take down by the Iranians and the US got caught with their pants down. Then they had the audacity to ask for their drone back - as if!

Regardless of all the admittedly impressive technology, it all comes down to leadership, which the US military as an extension of the US political system is rotten to the core. Technology itself did not save the Romans, it did not save the Germans, and it will not save the US. Corruption and moral bankruptcy begets more of the same - no toys will fix that.

[Jack198]

(09-27-2014 09:16 PM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  

Also, to suggest that the U.S. will retain a monopoly on this kind of technology seems a little far-fetched to me. Whether it's through independent development or reverse engineering captured equipment, it's hard to imagine that these kinds of things will remain in only one set of hands. That's not the nature of technology. Sure, seventy years ago, the New Guineans weren't exactly building military aircraft, but the Japanese were. Likewise, I don't think the Palestinians would be able to muster the collective intelligence to reverse engineer one of these robots, but it's absurd to think that the Chinese wouldn't, or even that they wouldn't come up with something like this on their own at some point.

If they can't get it themselves, the Chinese will just buy it from one of our "allies" that we sell it to, even though it was sold/given to said ally with an understanding that they will not sell it to anyone else. Our "best friends" in the foreign policy arena do this shit all the time and are never punished.

[Nemencine]

This is impressive, but it is nothing compare to some of the recent breakthroughs coming down the pipeline.. Wait till they started running these on synthetic synapses chips. What do i mean?

All these impressive stuff are done on regular computer chips of today, and a lot of computer chips are based, in one form or the other, on Von Neumann architecture. The memory, logic center, control unit, etc are all separated. Very binary, non-dynamic, step by step in processing. To give you a pictorial idea:




There are other architectures like (modified) harvard architecture and CAM. But they all have a lot of segmentation, partitioning, and step by step executions involved.


The next generation of chips... that are already been beta-tested RIGHT NOW by qualcomm and IBM, completely leaped over Von Neumann, Harvard or CAM architecture.

These next generation of computer chips can have the same size as the computer chip inside your iPhone and perform the same computation as an entire room/floor full of current computers. Qualcomm and IBM are working on it, but IBM is ahead of the competition-- they already have some prototypes. (it goes without saying that the US military have some serious interest in the IBM prototypes)

What it so special about them?

They are based on how the human brain functions, deriving their principles from the study of neural synaptic functions. They are known as "synapse chips".

One of the thing that is fascinating is how the human brain consumes the same amount of energy as a electric bulb; and yet, it is capable of performing a bewildering amount of complex tasks. So, why don't we attempt to design a computer chip that mimics the brain functionality, the same way we've been able to design artificial heart or artificial leg?

To achieve this objective requires understanding the way the neurons interact... this leads to an area of Biological neuron model: is a mathematical description of the properties of nerve cells, or neurons, that is designed to accurately describe and predict biological processes. They basically use complex mathematics to map the function of every neurons and their interactions, then use that as a basis to create next generation of computer chips. This is the area of science that gives birth to the "synapse chips".

Instead of the Von Neumann model or the Modified Harvard model, the new computer chip will mimic this:



It will change everything.

There will be new programming languages, new algorithm foundation, new physical design features, etc all built from scratch to program these computer chips. They are truly next generation.

Here is a short, fun video about the research at Qualcomm:

http://bcove.me/phtgyz91 . It is a mere 7 minutes long. Give it a watch.

Here is IBM video on the "synapse chips"( they combined neuroscience, mathematics, computer science, linguistics, etc to fashion these chips.)

To the RVF science majors, here is some technical, research publications about the subject matter:

http://www.pnas.org/content/106/30/12536 . Maximization of the connectivity repertoire as a statistical principle governing the shapes of dendritic arbors

http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v8/n...n1447.html . Geometric and functional organization of cortical circuits


One of the thing that is truly impressive, is the expansive nature of the research being done at IBM in this specific field.

I cannot do justice to it if i try to summarize it. So pardon me, i will just have to quote it all for you:

Quote:

Scientists from IBM today unveiled a breakthrough software ecosystem designed for programming silicon chips that have an architecture inspired by the function, low power, and compact volume of the brain. The technology could enable a new generation of intelligent sensor networks that mimic the brain’s abilities for perception, action, and cognition.

Dramatically different from traditional software, IBM’s new programming model breaks the mold of sequential operation underlying today's von Neumann architectures and computers. It is instead tailored for a new class of distributed, highly interconnected, asynchronous, parallel, large-scale cognitive computing architectures.

“Architectures and programs are closely intertwined and a new architecture necessitates a new programming paradigm,” said Dr. Dharmendra S. Modha, Principal Investigator and Senior Manager, IBM Research. “We are working to create a FORTRAN for synaptic computing chips. While complementing today’s computers, this will bring forth a fundamentally new technological capability in terms of programming and applying emerging learning systems.”

To advance and enable this new ecosystem, IBM researchers developed the following breakthroughs that support all aspects of the programming cycle from design through development, debugging, and deployment:

- Simulator: A multi-threaded, massively parallel and highly scalable functional software simulator of a cognitive computing architecture comprising a network of neurosynaptic cores.

- Neuron Model: A simple, digital, highly parameterized spiking neuron model that forms a fundamental information processing unit of brain-like computation and supports a wide range of deterministic and stochastic neural computations, codes, and behaviors. A network of such neurons can sense, remember, and act upon a variety of spatio-temporal, multi-modal environmental stimuli.

- Programming Model: A high-level description of a “program” that is based on composable, reusable building blocks called “corelets.” Each corelet represents a complete blueprint of a network of neurosynaptic cores that specifies a based-level function. Inner workings of a corelet are hidden so that only its external inputs and outputs are exposed to other programmers, who can concentrate on what the corelet does rather than how it does it. Corelets can be combined to produce new corelets that are larger, more complex, or have added functionality.

- Library: A cognitive system store containing designs and implementations of consistent, parameterized, large-scale algorithms and applications that link massively parallel, multi-modal, spatio-temporal sensors and actuators together in real-time. In less than a year, the IBM researchers have designed and stored over 150 corelets in the program library.

- Laboratory: A novel teaching curriculum that spans the architecture, neuron specification, chip simulator, programming language, application library and prototype design models. It also includes an end-to-end software environment that can be used to create corelets, access the library, experiment with a variety of programs on the simulator, connect the simulator inputs/outputs to sensors/actuators, build systems, and visualize/debug the results.

These innovations are being presented at The International Joint Conference on Neural Networks in Dallas, TX.

Paving the Path to SyNAPSE

Modern computing systems were designed decades ago for sequential processing according to a pre-defined program. Although they are fast and precise “number crunchers,” computers of traditional design become constrained by power and size while operating at reduced effectiveness when applied to real-time processing of the noisy, analog, voluminous, Big Data produced by the world around us. In contrast, the brain—which operates comparatively slowly and at low precision—excels at tasks such as recognizing, interpreting, and acting upon patterns, while consuming the same amount of power as a 20 watt light bulb and occupying the volume of a two-liter bottle.

In August 2011, IBM successfully demonstrated a building block of a novel brain-inspired chip architecture based on a scalable, interconnected, configurable network of “neurosynaptic cores.” Each core brings memory (“synapses”), processors (“neurons”), and communication (“axons”) in close proximity, executing activity in an event-driven fashion. These chips serve as a platform for emulating and extending the brain’s ability to respond to biological sensors and analyzing vast amounts of data from many sources at once.

Having completed Phase 0, Phase 1, and Phase 2, IBM and its collaborators (Cornell University and iniLabs, Ltd) have recently been awarded approximately $12 million in new funding from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) for Phase 3 of the Systems of Neuromorphic Adaptive Plastic Scalable Electronics (SyNAPSE) project, thus bringing the cumulative funding to approximately $53 million.

Smarter Sensors

IBM’s long-term goal is to build a chip system with ten billion neurons and hundred trillion synapses, while consuming merely one kilowatt of power and occupying less than two liters of volume.

Systems built from these chips could bring the real-time capture and analysis of various types of data closer to the point of collection. They would not only gather symbolic data, which is fixed text or digital information, but also gather sub-symbolic data, which is sensory based and whose values change continuously. This raw data reflects activity in the world of every kind ranging from commerce, social, logistics, location, movement, and environmental conditions.

Take the human eyes, for example. They sift through over a Terabyte of data per day. Emulating the visual cortex, low-power, light-weight eye glasses designed to help the visually impaired could be outfitted with multiple video and auditory sensors that capture and analyze this optical flow of data.

These sensors would gather and interpret large-scale volumes of data to signal how many individuals are ahead of the user, distance to an upcoming curb, number of vehicles in a given intersection, height of a ceiling or length of a crosswalk. Like a guide dog, sub-symbolic data perceived by the glasses would allow them to plot the safest pathway through a room or outdoor setting and help the user navigate the environment via embedded speakers or ear buds. This same technology -- at increasing levels of scale -- can form sensory-based data input capabilities and on-board analytics for automobiles, medical imagers, healthcare devices, smartphones, cameras, and robots.

^^^

Absolutely fascinating!

New, completely different algorithm from scratch, radically new architecture, insanely low energy consumption. All this research been done now. Imagine running those robots in the samseau's videos based on these "synapse chips"? Remember, these "synapses chips" are being designed to actually learn on their own. Holy shite!

It bears repeating that the US military has sunk their fangs into the IBM research.

regards,

Nemencine

p.s. as these "synapse chips" become more and more sophisticated, their mimicry of the human brain in functionality will get better and better... until they are indistinguishable from sentient beings-- they will operate like sentient beings.

[kbell]

That's very cool. I wonder if they will go from that in the near future, to actually growing flesh based computer brains with digestive systems for power. They could eat waste to power them. By the time this happens this synapse style computing will be everywhere and cheap. Would also solve waste disposal as well.

[HawkWrites]

I've been watching how DARPA is managing the development on the exoskeleton. It's really fascinating and it can improve the combat movement ability of the average soldier while still keeping the weight load within reason.

[Glaucon]

My personal dream is to have a small army of armed quadrocopters as bodyguards. Yeah, I always play Necromancer in every RPG...

[polymath]

It's unwise to build robots that kill people.

[iknowexactly]

It seems the larger robots might have power supply and environment resilience problems, but the little ones-- i imagine cheap, (under $500)swarms of radio controlled drones the size of those quadcopters would be unbelievably useful in houseclearing in urban warfare.

Here's a model for packs of them. the key is they are so cheap you have hundreds and when 30% fail or are killed it doesn't even slow down that attacking force.
You are a Marine sitting a few hundred yards away in a secure location, armored to the gills controlling all this or up in a plane

--Lighting drone-- Attracts fires from bad guys, but there's too many,especially when the armed drones are trying to kill you. Lights up whole scene for really small, hard-to-see...
--camera drones to send back images.
--Comm drone. Has loudspeakers, makes house calls, warns occupants of house to open door.
--Wall breacher drone if #1 doesn't work . Has a 2-3 inch cube of high explosive to break holes in walls so other drones can fly in.
--Stun grenade drone-- flies infirst and stuns everyone with flash bang so if it's civilians in there you don't kill them.
--Frag drone kills everyone in room
--Derringer drone takes out single bad guys
--Tear gas drone when in doubt about civilians

How would you like to be in ISIL trying to run a city when hundreds of thousands of those are floating around taking out anyone with a gun who doesn't have your attacker-authorized transponder.

Have a gun, die.

All that's left to terrorists is to leave booby-traps, kind of a less appealing way to paradise, devoting yourself to setting booby traps knowing you'll never see the people who kill you and simply hoping to catch them unaware.

Hell, why invade at all? Allow applications to be government officials and handle it like college applications from foreign students. Require encyclopedic knowledge of Thomas Jefferson's writing hahah.

Have the diplomat drones sit in at city council meetings, listening.

[iknowexactly]

(09-28-2014 12:20 AM)polymath Wrote:  

It's unwise to build robots that kill people.

It may well be, but I think it's completely impossible to stop, the drones we have now are already doing it.

I like the fact ideological assholes are sleeping in river beds in the mountains of Pakistan scared to go home because we might kill them.

It's way better to be killing them over there than waiting until they get here.

I actually don't think there's that many real suicidal terrorists. All they have to do is go to a truck stop with a pistol and hijack a gasoline truck. If there were a lot of people that wanted to do that, they would do it.