[HungWeiLo]

Saw the below comment on an article on the Daily Caller http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/26/peter-...-and-more/

Quote:

A History Lesson

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals; and
2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girliemen.

Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Another interesting evolutionary side note: most liberal women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of interior decorating and trying to get more for nothing.

I laughed my ass off with the description of conservatives and liberals. So accurate.

[aSimpNamedBrokeback]

Its Conservatives that tell me when I can and cannot buy my beer. They know best.

[Sonsowey]

Liberals produced the United States of America. We are a liberal democracy. It was a new innovation, it was "progress", meaning, "progressive". We rejected those who wanted to "conserve" the old ways of doing things, ie. having a monarchy and a state religion. We had radical liberal/progressive founding principles like freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc.

Every new innovation and change in mankind is by definition, progress, which does not "conserve" the old ways of doing things but in fact invents new ways. Conservatives, basically, want to conserve the old ways.

Yet the first men who hunted with spears or fashioned bows and arrows were not conserving anything, they were inventing new things.

There is a reason that John Stuart Mills said "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." The conservative instinct is the instinct to oppose anything that is new or unfamiliar, to stick with the old ways despite the fact that by abandoning the old ways we left the African savannah, left the caves, left wooden huts, and arrived to the enlightened point of humanity we live in now.

Most conservatives are of course not harkening back to pre-historic times, but rather historic times of their childhood or their parents' era. Yet the very establishment of the norms of the era they nostalgically pine for was created by the liberals of the decades prior. Pining for the 1950s is pining for the America created by FDR and Truman.

Sure you can blame certain societal problems these days on "liberals" and I wouldn't disagree. But to couch it historically, conservatives have basically at every corner been opposed to progress. Do you go out and hunt with spears? Do you make beer in a giant vat that you spoon out to your villagefolk? No probably not. Progress has its merits.

[HungWeiLo]

I agree with everything you said, but I think the comment was implying that conservatives nowadays are people who want to provide for themselves and stand on their own to feet, and then stretch that back through time to show how rhe liberals of today would have leached off the makers in different times. I don't think you can accurately capture all of human history and ideological differences of two groups of people in one comment on a news website, but it illustrates with satire, the differences between the stereotypical worldviews of conservatives and liberals. Or at least that's what I took out of it

[RexImperator]

Prior to the 20th century, the word "liberal" had a meaning opposite to its use today.

[HawkWrites]

(09-26-2014 11:48 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Prior to the 20th century, the word "liberal" had a meaning opposite to its use today.

Yeah, and the Democrats and Republicans switched their platforms in the 1800s as well. They have been pretty steady since then, though.

If nothing else, though, to whom do we attribute modern political ideas in our two-party system? The Democrats, the Republicans, or their predecessor the Democratic-Republicans?

[Duke Castile]

Liberty classically means free of gov't coercion and the freedom to act.

Liberals are not defenders of liberty or even proponents of it. They are enemies of it and everything they do is to try and erode it.

Today, Conservatism (the belief in conservation of the govt.) is not about stopping liberalism, it just slows down the rotting of it and even assists it.

Libertarians on the other hand, while not agreeing on every point, want to arrest and reverse this loss of freedom.

Hilarious comment though

[TheWastelander]

(09-26-2014 10:46 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Liberals produced the United States of America. We are a liberal democracy. It was a new innovation, it was "progress", meaning, "progressive". We rejected those who wanted to "conserve" the old ways of doing things, ie. having a monarchy and a state religion. We had radical liberal/progressive founding principles like freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc.

Every new innovation and change in mankind is by definition, progress, which does not "conserve" the old ways of doing things but in fact invents new ways. Conservatives, basically, want to conserve the old ways.

Yet the first men who hunted with spears or fashioned bows and arrows were not conserving anything, they were inventing new things.

There is a reason that John Stuart Mills said "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." The conservative instinct is the instinct to oppose anything that is new or unfamiliar, to stick with the old ways despite the fact that by abandoning the old ways we left the African savannah, left the caves, left wooden huts, and arrived to the enlightened point of humanity we live in now.

Most conservatives are of course not harkening back to pre-historic times, but rather historic times of their childhood or their parents' era. Yet the very establishment of the norms of the era they nostalgically pine for was created by the liberals of the decades prior. Pining for the 1950s is pining for the America created by FDR and Truman.

Sure you can blame certain societal problems these days on "liberals" and I wouldn't disagree. But to couch it historically, conservatives have basically at every corner been opposed to progress. Do you go out and hunt with spears? Do you make beer in a giant vat that you spoon out to your villagefolk? No probably not. Progress has its merits.

Our founding fathers weren't progressives. They were classical liberals. Don't try to equate the two.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivi...ted_States

[Feisbook Control]

(09-26-2014 10:46 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Liberals produced the United States of America. We are a liberal democracy. It was a new innovation, it was "progress", meaning, "progressive". We rejected those who wanted to "conserve" the old ways of doing things, ie. having a monarchy and a state religion. We had radical liberal/progressive founding principles like freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc.

Every new innovation and change in mankind is by definition, progress, which does not "conserve" the old ways of doing things but in fact invents new ways. Conservatives, basically, want to conserve the old ways.

Yet the first men who hunted with spears or fashioned bows and arrows were not conserving anything, they were inventing new things.

There is a reason that John Stuart Mills said "Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." The conservative instinct is the instinct to oppose anything that is new or unfamiliar, to stick with the old ways despite the fact that by abandoning the old ways we left the African savannah, left the caves, left wooden huts, and arrived to the enlightened point of humanity we live in now.

Most conservatives are of course not harkening back to pre-historic times, but rather historic times of their childhood or their parents' era. Yet the very establishment of the norms of the era they nostalgically pine for was created by the liberals of the decades prior. Pining for the 1950s is pining for the America created by FDR and Truman.

Sure you can blame certain societal problems these days on "liberals" and I wouldn't disagree. But to couch it historically, conservatives have basically at every corner been opposed to progress. Do you go out and hunt with spears? Do you make beer in a giant vat that you spoon out to your villagefolk? No probably not. Progress has its merits.

Conservatism isn't anti-change. It is anti-inorganic change. There is a difference. Watch this:

[SteveMcMahon]

Steve's guide to politics:

Liberals

What they think they look like:


What everyone else thinks they look like:



Conservatives

What they think they look like:


What everyone else thinks they look like:


Libertarians

What they think they look like:


What everyone else thinks they look like:


Greens

What they think they look like:


What everyone else thinks they look like:


Steveocrats

What they actually look like:


Conclusion: vote for Steve, and all your wildest dreams will come true.

[infowarrior1]

(09-26-2014 09:08 PM)HungWeiLo Wrote:  

Saw the below comment on an article on the Daily Caller http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/26/peter-...-and-more/

Quote:

A History Lesson

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals; and
2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girliemen.

Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Another interesting evolutionary side note: most liberal women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of interior decorating and trying to get more for nothing.

I laughed my ass off with the description of conservatives and liberals. So accurate.

Considering that alcohol is detrimental to testosterone. It is quite paradoxical to attribute beer to masculinity. But considering that consumption of alcohol used to be male past-time it looks like beer has become inextricably linked with masculinity

[assman]

(09-26-2014 10:46 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Liberals produced the United States of America. We are a liberal democracy.

You've already been corrected on your equating classical liberals to today's government-is-the-answer-to-every-problem liberals.

Next correction: America is NOT a democracy. It is (or at least was) a constitutional republic. There is a difference, though politicians on both sides of the aisle (with the exception of the libertarian leaning ones) deliberately always refer to America as a democracy, implying everything is up for majority vote. That was never the intention of the founders.

[Sp5]

OP is a bunch of trite cliches trying to draw tribal lines on political grounds. For example, "domestic beer" has little meaning in a country which now has hundreds of excellent craft brews.

As far as "producers" go, like it or not, the engine of the US economy is in liberal bastions like Silicon Valley and Cambridge, MA. They are practically the only people in the USA making new things the rest of the world wants to buy.

If you really want to escape "the Matrix" and see the world as it really is, identification with "conservatives" or "liberals" or any political party is just another neurotic impediment.

For example, "conservatives" have voted for the relentless criminalization of almost everything and harsh sentences which give the USA the flavor of a police state. "Law and order."

"Conservative" media puts out loads of bullshit about foreign affairs, often beating the drum for war, like they are with Syria and Iran right now.

I saw one example of a "conservative" whopper today in a comment on another thread - blaming the subprime mortgage crisis and world financial collapse on ACORN, an annoying community organizing group.

Yeah, rating subprime debt as AAA in financial instruments and selling them to the heavily-leveraged "Muppets," along with betting against payment of the debt at the same time and selling various insurance derivatives, so each $100,000 mortgage on a house was leveraging $3,000,000 or more in various financial instruments had nothing to do with the crisis . . .

[Tuthmosis]

(09-27-2014 05:35 AM)assman Wrote:  

Next correction: America is NOT a democracy. It is (or at least was) a constitutional republic.

It's both, actually. This guy does a good job of debunking this commonly repeated talking point.

My argument is that we're none of those anymore. We're a plutocracy, almost perfectly by the dictionary definition. "Democrat," "Republican," "liberal," and "conservative" labels are put there to keep us distractedly rooting for our "team" (tribe), rather than complaining that suddenly even hard-working adult professionals have to live with 16 roommates and still can't afford to pay off their student-ass loans.

[Truth Teller]

(09-27-2014 09:47 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(09-27-2014 05:35 AM)assman Wrote:  

Next correction: America is NOT a democracy. It is (or at least was) a constitutional republic.

It's both, actually. This guy does a good job of debunking this commonly repeated talking point.

My argument is that we're none of those anymore. We're a plutocracy, almost perfectly by the dictionary definition. "Democrat," "Republican," "liberal," and "conservative" labels are put there to keep us distractedly rooting for our "team" (tribe), rather than complaining that suddenly even hard-working adult professionals have to live with 16 roommates and still can't afford to pay off their student-ass loans.

That guy is wrong, and if he had read the literature surrounding the Founders, he would know that he's wrong.

The United States was founded as a constitutional republic, with some very clear elements of oligarchy. The Constitution is replete with examples of preventing the mob from having too much power. See the election of Senators and the Electoral College for two excellent examples.

For a scholarly reference, read Beard's An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of the United States. The American Revolution was far more conservative than most people will say.