[T and A Man]

Does a woman have free agency or not?

Its really important to know if a woman wants to be considered my equal.

It's notorious in Australia, in the hyper property bubble cities of Sydney and Melbourne where female uni students are shacking up with IRT's supposedly for sex but it's likely to be once a year or something.

He's probably killing himself in ultra long shifts at 7/11 paying for rent and full fee studies that she sleeps alone.

This topic however is about she's bored with the arrangement and wants to receive half while reneging on her obligation.

In Canada, you can imagine after she graduates she's entitled to half the property.

They're going to be worth nothing more than toilet cubicle trysts soon enough.

The walk of shame's going to be mire degrading soon, the smell of urine from your clothes laying on a piss soaked floor....

[puckerman]

Mike's Apartment has been doing this for many years. He posts the videos on the web, too.

http://www.mikesapartment.com/

He sometimes films couples having sex as well.

[EndsExpect]

This whole video pisses me off. When I was just out of college I did a lot of work with the homeless, which are 90% men. A lot of these guys can't get their lives together because people put barriers in their path. For example, I had this guy named Paul that was homeless and had a substance abuse issue. I got him into a shelter, then got him a job. The guy was an awesome worker and the job loved him. The second week they asked him to work overtime and when he got back to the government run shelter the fuckers told him it was after curfew and that he had to sleep on the streets. It was November and cold. Of course the next day he didn't make it to work on time and his performance suffered. Eventually sleeping on the street he got sick and the job decided to let him go. I tried to find him another shelter and could find nothing. The city has just a handful of mens shelters, the rest is all private charity and church groups.

Now the same city that has 3 government run mens shelters also has 26 fully government funded womens shelters... the majority of which sit empty all year.

So, this stupid bitch Ellie can take her documentary and shove it right up her butt. If the UK has a housing shortage that bad then the stupid socialists should be expanding housing for all instead of focused on a small group of women pedaling their ass for a comfortable bed. Why not go a step further and illegalize gold diggers? Isn't that the same basic thing?

[DamienCasanova]

(03-04-2018 02:05 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

This was a great piece of investigative journalism. For me, it hit close to home.

Perhaps a bit too close: I know a male and a female in my neighborhood who have an arrangement like this.

Here is the dealio: The male owns a house and has a job. But he has a female living with him who stays home and cleans and cooks. She also apparently provides him with s-e-x in exchange for living there.

I spoke to the male about this "arrangement" and he gave me some line about the female being something called a "wife" and he being something called a "husband."

Yeah, right. Like I'm gonna believe that. I called the police.

I would like to extend heartfelt thanks to "Undercover Ellie" for exposing the truly abusive practice that male humans do to female humans. Hopefully after this, the police will regulate every aspect of the behavior of these scurrilous "humans."

Only then will we have a truly safe society. I hear the police sirens now.

https://www.theonion.com/housewife-charg...1819567920

Housewife Charged In Sex-For-Security Scam


"A 1993 photo of alleged "sex for security" scam artist Helen Crandall. Police suspect the groceries she is holding were paid for by her victim, husband David Crandall (right)."

AKRON, OH—Area resident Helen Crandall, 44, was arrested by Akron police Sunday, charged with conducting an elaborate "sex for security" scam in which she allegedly defrauded husband Russell Crandall out of nearly $230,000 in cash, food, clothing and housing over the past 19 years using periodic offers of sexual intercourse.

"It's the biggest scam of its kind I've ever seen," Akron police chief Thomas Agee said. "We're talking coats, dishwashers, jewelry, sewing machines, bathroom cleansers—you name it."

According to Agee, undercover agents spotted Crandall's husband handing her $50 in cash at approximately 4 p.m., just 30 minutes after the two had sex. Crandall then drove off in her car, returning home two hours later with five bags of groceries.

"That's when we made the arrest," Agee said. "After tracking her for years, we finally had proof that she was buying all those goods with dirty money."

During the arrest, Akron police officials entered the Crandall household and seized more than 150 items Mrs. Crandall had received from her husband over the last 19 years, including a four-speed adjustable food processor, 12 pairs of earrings, a matching sofa and loveseat, a box of two-ply kitchen garbage bags, and a portable radio.

In exchange for these items, Agee said, Crandall's husband received sex an estimated 950 times—most frequently in the master bedroom, but also in the downstairs den three times, and once on the floor of the sewing room.

In addition to physical evidence, Akron police have collected considerable eyewitness testimony. More than 250 Akron residents have come forward to report seeing Helen and Russell Crandall together, and several said they witnessed Mr. Crandall flagrantly purchasing items for his wife.

"Sure, they'd come in here," said Ray Greene of Greene's House and Home. "I think the last time they got one of those box fans with the three settings."

Perhaps the most damaging testimony has come from Mr. Crandall himself, who on Tuesday told police that while the couple was dating in 1977, Mrs. Crandall—then known as Helen Steuben—demanded that he buy her a ring worth over $1,000 before he could have sex with her. The first sexual liaison took place some six months later at Bob's Honeymooner Hotel during an all-expenses-paid trip to Niagara Falls.

It was also in 1977, Mr. Crandall said, that his wife quit her job at Shippee Shoes in downtown Akron.

"Clearly," Summit County prosecutor Andrew Dravecky said, "after quitting her job, the accused began receiving money under the table from some other source: How else could she have afforded to not work? It's now pretty apparent that at that point she began supporting herself by providing a certain service to Mr. Crandall."

Crandall's mother, Bernice Steuben, a resident of the Valley View Senior Home in Yuma, AZ, is being sought for questioning in connection to the case: Police suspect that Steuben may have introduced her daughter to the sex-for-security scam after having used it herself from 1932 to 1971.

But for all the evidence collected against Crandall, Dravecky said the case will likely be difficult to prosecute. "Helen was very careful to cover her tracks," he said. "She even got her husband to put her name on the bank accounts and credit cards."

The Crandall case is not an isolated incident, said criminologist John Ohlmeyer, who said there are "literally millions" of such cases across the U.S. each year that never come to court.

"This kind of thing isn't as uncommon as we'd all like to think," Ohlmeyer said. "A woman finds herself in a situation where she isn't employable. Or maybe she has interests like child-rearing, cooking and home-maintenance that keep her from getting a job. So what does she do? She cooks up a scheme to entrap a man using her body as the bait. It's frightening, but it happens every day in this country."

[Tytalus]

As said, in jurisdictions like British Columbia, Canada, you're common law after living a year together. So these women "poor" can get alimony and half the assets with a good lawyer.

These guys need to be careful.

[Buck Wild]

(03-05-2018 01:15 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

During the arrest, Akron police officials entered the Crandall household and seized more than 150 items Mrs. Crandall had received from her husband over the last 19 years, including a four-speed adjustable food processor, 12 pairs of earrings, a matching sofa and loveseat, a box of two-ply kitchen garbage bags, and a portable radio.

In exchange for these items, Agee said, Crandall's husband received sex an estimated 950 times—most frequently in the master bedroom, but also in the downstairs den three times, and once on the floor of the sewing room.

That's how I knew this was an Onion article--no way is your average married schlub averaging sex once a week for 19 years in America these days.

[The Father]

(03-04-2018 01:01 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

I see homeless women all the time here in the US.

Really?? Where do you live? I've lived all over this country, and I NEVER see women homeless anymore. I used to see homeless women. When i was young. In the 80's. They were known as "bag ladies", then. Because they had all their life's possessions in a garbage bag. THEN, all the """programs""" came out to help women. "Da poor wittle women! We have to HELP them! No woman should ever be homeless again!". Shelters. Government programs, and more government programs.

And so, today i rarely see a homeless woman. But i see LOTS and LOTS of homeless men. But although men pay most of the taxes, I don't seem to see the same cry for government programs to help the men, most of whom are mentally ill or substance abusers, or both. I.e., they are NOT going to figure out their situation without help.

But, you know. They aren't women. So fuck them!

[Conquerer7]

(03-05-2018 12:10 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

This whole video pisses me off. When I was just out of college I did a lot of work with the homeless, which are 90% men. A lot of these guys can't get their lives together because people put barriers in their path. For example, I had this guy named Paul that was homeless and had a substance abuse issue. I got him into a shelter, then got him a job. The guy was an awesome worker and the job loved him. The second week they asked him to work overtime and when he got back to the government run shelter the fuckers told him it was after curfew and that he had to sleep on the streets. It was November and cold. Of course the next day he didn't make it to work on time and his performance suffered. Eventually sleeping on the street he got sick and the job decided to let him go. I tried to find him another shelter and could find nothing. The city has just a handful of mens shelters, the rest is all private charity and church groups.

Now the same city that has 3 government run mens shelters also has 26 fully government funded womens shelters... the majority of which sit empty all year.

So, this stupid bitch Ellie can take her documentary and shove it right up her butt. If the UK has a housing shortage that bad then the stupid socialists should be expanding housing for all instead of focused on a small group of women pedaling their ass for a comfortable bed. Why not go a step further and illegalize gold diggers? Isn't that the same basic thing?

There is no need to build houses in the UK. In the main, they need to stop letting in these migrants in. Secondly, so many people are living alone now or boomers who have a 3/4 bedroom house but do not want to move so there are houses with 3 extra bedrooms that are left empty until the boomer is not around anymore.

The generation before the boomers and pretty much everyone before that would have many people living in the same house. Many generations under one roof. From the stories i was told by my elders yes it was cramped but it sounded a lot better for your mental health in terms of never been isolated and having a strong family unit to support you.

[hv123]

(03-06-2018 06:01 PM)The Father Wrote:  

(03-04-2018 01:01 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

I see homeless women all the time here in the US.

Really?? Where do you live? I've lived all over this country, and I NEVER see women homeless anymore. I used to see homeless women. When i was young. In the 80's. They were known as "bag ladies", then. Because they had all their life's possessions in a garbage bag. THEN, all the """programs""" came out to help women. "Da poor wittle women! We have to HELP them! No woman should ever be homeless again!". Shelters. Government programs, and more government programs.

And so, today i rarely see a homeless woman. But i see LOTS and LOTS of homeless men. But although men pay most of the taxes, I don't seem to see the same cry for government programs to help the men, most of whom are mentally ill or substance abusers, or both. I.e., they are NOT going to figure out their situation without help.

But, you know. They aren't women. So fuck them!

Yeah i remember bag ladies. They were quite common in my youth as you say. But then I think generally the homeless were different back then. I think it's more down to substance abuse than it use to be. Just from observation.

[hv123]

(03-07-2018 04:16 AM)Conquerer7 Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 12:10 PM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

This whole video pisses me off. When I was just out of college I did a lot of work with the homeless, which are 90% men. A lot of these guys can't get their lives together because people put barriers in their path. For example, I had this guy named Paul that was homeless and had a substance abuse issue. I got him into a shelter, then got him a job. The guy was an awesome worker and the job loved him. The second week they asked him to work overtime and when he got back to the government run shelter the fuckers told him it was after curfew and that he had to sleep on the streets. It was November and cold. Of course the next day he didn't make it to work on time and his performance suffered. Eventually sleeping on the street he got sick and the job decided to let him go. I tried to find him another shelter and could find nothing. The city has just a handful of mens shelters, the rest is all private charity and church groups.

Now the same city that has 3 government run mens shelters also has 26 fully government funded womens shelters... the majority of which sit empty all year.

So, this stupid bitch Ellie can take her documentary and shove it right up her butt. If the UK has a housing shortage that bad then the stupid socialists should be expanding housing for all instead of focused on a small group of women pedaling their ass for a comfortable bed. Why not go a step further and illegalize gold diggers? Isn't that the same basic thing?

There is no need to build houses in the UK. In the main, they need to stop letting in these migrants in. Secondly, so many people are living alone now or boomers who have a 3/4 bedroom house but do not want to move so there are houses with 3 extra bedrooms that are left empty until the boomer is not around anymore.

The generation before the boomers and pretty much everyone before that would have many people living in the same house. Many generations under one roof. From the stories i was told by my elders yes it was cramped but it sounded a lot better for your mental health in terms of never been isolated and having a strong family unit to support you.

The average household size is 2.3 now.

Successive governments have had an almost religious belief in stopping anyone building anything in the UK over decades. This plus your point, plus immigration leaves us where we are now - massive building across the country without commensurate infrastructure improvements, particularly roads, and insane rents and house prices. Couple with ultra high taxes and business rates it's no wonder the UK is so far behind the USA on GDP per capita.

The whole system in the UK is completely rotten. The town and country planning act is essentially a mechanism to keep the plebs off the land and keep the landed rich, rich, by making land much scarcer that it really is. They (the queen down) are raking in massive subsidies off the tax payer for owning land via farm subsidies, while everyone else is squashed in to Barrett estates.

Now the UK does have a high population density but if you fly over the UK it's nearly all green fields. Something that's worth noting is that the houses that there are in the UK are the smallest in europe in floor area, which obviously doesn't do anything to make people's lives happier.

Farm subsidies are like a throw back to feudal times where we all have to pay the lord of the manor rent. But now most people live in the belief that because they own a freehold in some town, that system doesn't exist any more.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(03-06-2018 03:41 PM)Buck Wild Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 01:15 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

During the arrest, Akron police officials entered the Crandall household and seized more than 150 items Mrs. Crandall had received from her husband over the last 19 years, including a four-speed adjustable food processor, 12 pairs of earrings, a matching sofa and loveseat, a box of two-ply kitchen garbage bags, and a portable radio.

In exchange for these items, Agee said, Crandall's husband received sex an estimated 950 times—most frequently in the master bedroom, but also in the downstairs den three times, and once on the floor of the sewing room.

That's how I knew this was an Onion article--no way is your average married schlub averaging sex once a week for 19 years in America these days.

My tipoff was the 5 bags of groceries for $50. Not unless she's buying nothing but bread.

Aside, the sexless marriage is Hollywood propaganda. (((Mainstream media))) portray single people getting laid all the time and married people as leading loveless, sexually frustrated lives. The reality is that for most people in our societies it's the opposite. The bulk of the single population is made up of incels with a frosting of sluts and players on top. Meanwhile married people are almost certainly having more sex on average than the average single.

The difference is that married couples don't wear their sex lives as some sort of badge of honour. It's a private matter, particularly when most singles only think of marriage in terms of their parents, who they are desperate to assume no longer bump uglies.

There is a widespread push to denigrate marriage, for obvious reasons, and the classic image of a couple sitting next to each other in bed in full pyjamas each reading a book is part and parcel of that nonsense.

Marriage might have put an end to my notch count, but I'd put my fuck count up against any single guy on the forum under 40y/o without hesitation.

[Suits]

(03-07-2018 06:36 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

The bulk of the single population is made up of incels with a frosting of sluts and players on top. Meanwhile married people are almost certainly having more sex on average than the average single.

Yes, I'm sure that that majority of unmarried incels get a TON of sex from their wife once they finally tie the knot.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Actually, they do.

For fugly incels, fucking is still a pleasant act. Those kids of theirs aren't typically the product of artificial insemination.

I would go as far as to say most incels are lacking in courage more than anything else. Marriage removes the vast majority of risk in sex-seeking and while the urge may cool off over time they are certainly going to be fucking a lot more than they would have been if they'd remained single.

[N°6]

It’s the old story. Middle and upper class women have names for men and women who indulge in unregulated hetetosexual congress because they know very well that it can undercut the value of a resource they seek to exclusively distribute to upper tier men for long-term material benefit.

Rotherham was ignored by these women because it kept lower class women out of their chasse gardées where the monied man is the prize. On the other hand, Arnie’s house maid was conveniently seen as a victim.