[speakeasy]

I have a coworker on my team at a job I recently started. Dude is 24 and deep in the blue pill but spent a lot of time talking to him and he's definitely one of those dudes that's ready to be unplugged. He lives with a bitch of girlfriend who he basically has to take care of, who doesn't cook, is demanding, contributes no money and makes his life hell. He says he wants out of the relationship but is afraid he won't meet anyone else. I spent about a good hour talking to him about his frustrations in the dating scene, how women attention whore and can't put away from their phones on dates, how bad divorce is for men and taking control of your own life and not letting a woman ruin it. He's never left the country so I now have him interested in seeing what women are like in other countries. I'd felt pretty bummed out and lethargic the last week due to some personal matters, but talking to this young guy actually made me feel good. It sounds like I placed the seed of doubt in his head and he's now thinking. I told him I'd send him some articles from the manosphere to read and get up to speed on the way shit really is for men in America.

Do you guys have any suggestions for a couple boilerplate red pill articles to send someone who is ready to be unplugged?

[el mechanico]

Where are you? Did you leave LA?

[Baldwin81]

Personal note, I initially bristled at Roissy's site thinking that those types of guys lose out in the end. Until I read this...

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/10/1...your-life/

This Is Your Life

October 16, 2007 by CH

Common American Man, this is how your life will unfold. You will start with dreams, big dreams. You will believe you are ordained for exceptionalism. You will reluctantly abandon your dreams as the years pass and reality inexorably descends upon you like a choking shroud of grit. That reality looks like this –

You will get older, uglier, and fatter with each year. Soon you will notice young women no longer take your flirtations seriously. Your sloth and social detachment will worsen until people don’t even bother to be polite around you. You will gradually lower your standards in what you want in a girl until desperation pushes you to marry a dumpy oinker well past her prime. You will rut with her once a week, then once a month, then holidays only. You will relieve yourself drearily masturbating in the middle of the night by the cold flickering light of your computer monitor while that bloated seacow who doesn’t give a shit for your desires snores in the bed you can no longer get a good night’s sleep in. Your one shred of solace will come from knowing your depreciating asset (AKA wife) will have as few options as you do virtually guaranteeing lifelong fidelity. Eventually you will have a couple of ungrateful snotty kids and your free time and discretionary cash will be completely obliterated. You will squander whatever morsels of opportunity come your way as you settle into an achingly dull job paying the median wage dutifully punching the clock as a faceless cog in the corporate machine greasing the soul-soaked gears of the global marketplace with your bitter bloody tears. You will silently mourn your impotent, shriveled manhood as the established order extracts the last penny of tribute from your broken spirit. You will numb the pain with alcohol, untold hours vegging in front of the TV, and leveling your character in World of Warcraft. Hours, days, months, years will slip away. Then, one lonely quiet cloudy day sitting in your well-worn easy chair, you’ll contemplate the arc of your life. And you’ll feel the gnawing grip of emptiness as the crushing weight of what a barren nothingness your existence proved to be presses down on you. Barely comprehending, you’ll shudder. And then, finally, the Grim Reaper will steal your last breath and you will disappear from the world as if you had never been here and when they bury you no one will really notice and no one will really care because in your whole life you never never never, not even once, stepped off the hamster wheel and did anything courageous or interesting or different.

And it will be too late when you realize that the chains clasped to your ankles and wrists were unlocked all along and you were always free to go.

~Fin~

[Bacchus]

He should find out for himself.

Keep talking to him, but don't send him articles. At most, hint that there's a lot more on the web, and see if he bites. Then you can mention specific websites.

[Glaucon]

I realized you can not help someone to unplug. They have to find it on their own...there has to be a catalyst to propel you to find out the truth, and you want it so badly that you rather die than live in ignorance.

But, the majority of people are just too comfortable, or too afraid to push themselves over this threshold. They rather slip back to their dreams than deal with the harsh reality.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Like always, the answer is "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink".

[Sp5]

Pick an article out of Rollo Tomassi's site, example:

http://therationalmale.com/2011/08/19/th...tionships/

[SheriffBart]

I equate the process to drug addiction. You can't really help somebody that doesn't want to be helped. You just wait until they reach rock bottom and it'll either make sense to them at that point or they're helpless.

I never try to sell anyone. I just make my thoughts known on certain topics and move forward. There is no Morpheus to come offer you a choice. It's a personal journey that'll happen if it's right for that person.

[TravelerKai]

If you do not mind, I would talk with him. I do this any chance I can. Since I do alot of life coaching and mentoring, I usually have to work off what they know and their background and fashion in a way they can understand. A helped a fat brother who is a pro photographer get his act together and he swallowed half the pill after two approaches. He even lost a little weight and now has a girlfriend and wants to travel now. For every victory, there will always be 1 or 2 failures. I am trying to refine the approaches, and so far, nothing dynamite for every guy. Knowing more about each guy or witnessing them getting shut down at the club/bar makes it alot easier for me to approach with red pills.

One dude Badwolf recently worked on went straight up nuclear on him, into some orgy of victimized/game denialist/white knight crazy rant on him. Some dudes take the pill, some of the pill, and some die after taking the pill becoming far worse than they were before. It's kinda like that ritual of drinking the taint to become a Grey Warden in that game Dragon Age.

If he is a Christian you could also send him some Dalrock articles. Those woke me the hell up and I thought I was already redpill before I read them.

[Slim Shady]

Send him a PDF of "Sperm Wars" by Robin Baker

[007]

I've tried handing the red pill to a few whom I thought were ready, all ending in the same result. They went cypher on my ass, they were too plugged into the blue pill matrix and they saw me as the enemy.

In my experience, one must unplug themselves and go painfully down the rabbit hole alone.

Saying that, I wish you luck in your quest to show your friend the truth.

[cmrocks]

I've been wondering about this too. A friend of mine, (great guy, good looking, smart, good job etc) just had his heart ripped out by the 6 that he was going to propose to. She got wind of it, dumped him via email (they live together) then took off to Nepal to ride the carousal and be a "crazy kid again" at the age of 26. Obviously, he was completely devastated and destroyed. He was begging her to take him back etc. I've talked with him about it at length and he's calmed down now, is getting over it and just made a Tinder account. He's ready for the red-pill!

[TravelerKai]

(09-19-2014 10:53 AM)007 Wrote:  

I've tried handing the red pill to a few whom I thought were ready, all ending in the same result. They went cypher on my ass, they were too plugged into the blue pill matrix and they saw me as the enemy.

In my experience, one must unplug themselves and go painfully down the rabbit hole alone.

Saying that, I wish you luck in your quest to show your friend the truth.

One technique I like to use is by figuring out what part of the red pill to offer first. Most men, beta, omega, whatever agrees with at least one thing that is red pill. Even some gay men do. Whatever that one thing is find out what it is an harp on that and pump them up using that aspect. When they are ready for the rest, gradually introduce the rest.

For example. Young black men, if they grew up in mostly minority neighborhoods, are game aware for the most part. Some are even naturals. Very very few are game denialists. That gives me a fairly decent shot right off the bat at getting them to the red pill. All I do is talk about game. When they are very comfortable with advanced game techniques or they get into PUA stuff, then I usually wait for them to come back with good reports from the field.

If reports are a complete turn around, then I lightly toss out the travel stuff and other red pill mantras. If they are Christian, it gets even easier. I have noticed that if just game changed everything for them they wont be too interested in the rest of the red pill. It still puts them on notice though. Maybe later when they get tired of certain things they will come back to me for more stuff or find more game/PUA sites and just dig deeper. Who knows.

If their recent reports on game suffered big time and they had more failures, then I give them a bigger dose of red pill. Pretty much getting them to leave the country and go to places like Brazil, Philipines, Thailand, China (If they have seen my wife), Europe, etc., or depending upon what kind of girls they like. Those kinds of black guys are usually the nerdy/geeky, speak correct English, and could never attract your basic American black woman and are too beta provider looking for a young white girl. Not a pretty one that would be LTR or wife quality at least, which is what some of them want.

You even have black guys that are game aware and want nothing to do with game at all. They do not hate it or love it, they just do not give a shit. For guys like that, I give a strong/heavy dose of redpill and basically try to get them to travel and get out the country. If they do it once, they are usually hooked and I do not have to do much with them after that. They join the Manosphere the easiest out of the 3 different groups as well.

For the black guys that are game denialists. I just skip them these days. If they cannot understand basic human social dynamics, they cannot self improve. I have never had success with anyone like this before. Black, White, and Asian actually. They can frustrate the best mentor or life coach. They say they want to succeed but what they really want is a pity party and they want you to play Therapist and Psych Counselor for them and just listen to them whine. The only thing missing is a big can of prescription dope so they can zone out and feel special for having a diagnosis of something. If you try to get them to go to a licensed therapist that speciallizes in CBT (What CBT is). They will find excuses, because a CBT counselor is not a whole lot different than a coach. Often times these guys are the most feminized of all the other groups. They are not just beta, but they are pretty much sissy-fied little boys in a man's body.

[speakeasy]

(09-19-2014 11:28 AM)cmrocks Wrote:  

I've been wondering about this too. A friend of mine, (great guy, good looking, smart, good job etc) just had his heart ripped out by the 6 that he was going to propose to. She got wind of it, dumped him via email (they live together) then took off to Nepal to ride the carousal and be a "crazy kid again" at the age of 26. Obviously, he was completely devastated and destroyed. He was begging her to take him back etc. I've talked with him about it at length and he's calmed down now, is getting over it and just made a Tinder account. He's ready for the red-pill!

The guy I work with is similar to this. He knows something is fucked up and that his girlfriend is screwing up his life, but needs a bit of a big brother type of talk to help him see the bigger picture and that we men have to value ourselves and realize that broken women can only be a drag on our lives. He was very receptive to what I was saying.

We have to help out as many guys in this situation as possible.

[zombiejimmorrison]

It's much easier for young guys to unplug the 18-25 range. Society as it currently stands has a nihilistic feel to someone who thinks about it on the surface and doesn't see the hidden good parts. I'd slowly tell them about my story and try to relate it to them. Injecting small shots of red into the convo and watching if he bites. If he shows interest, Ill tell him what having no game was like and compare it to now after learning game

[TheFinalEpic]

Send them the link that starts it all: http://returnofkings.com

If they enjoy reading and feel that this applies to their life, congratulations.

If they don't like what they read and disagree with it all, well you tried.

[Rollo Tomassi]

If you'll pardon a shameless plug:

http://therationalmale.com/the-book/

[Ingocnito]

Speakeasy, the hardest part is undeniably understanding first WHAT a woman is , and I mean across the entire planet, then of course secondly, what they have become and why, what the enablers were that got us here.

But again, I'd really focus on driving home what a woman really is.. or "who" she is in her own mind versus reality where men reside. That's the biggest epiphany that quakes with aftershocks for the first few years as we all know.

I took the pill about 5 years ago but it really didn't kick in hard until 3 years ago. It's the denial... that's the devil.

[Onto]

I think an effective way to help someone wake up is provide the opportunity for them to see things the way they really are.

You won't be to hard pressed to find examples right in front of you. Just open the NYPost and talk about any headline you see, or any movie, advertisement, anything. It's absolutely everywhere.

Pick something and ask him a question about it. A question that revolves around what's being espoused in the news headline, or story. Is the man being treated unfairly? What should the gender roles be? What would true equality be? What message is the story trying to instill in people?

Make him think and answer, then follow up with another question that revolves around his answer to push him harder. Don't push too much though. 2 levels deep, 3 max should be the limit.

I've dealt with the "I'm never going to find another person again" fear, by using a scene from Indiana Jones and the Quest for the Holy Grail. It's where he's following the clues on the treasure map, bad guys are right behind him and he gets to the edge of a cliff that overlooks an abyss. There is no bridge in sight and the clue says to take a leap of faith. Indiana takes a long, courageous step over the cliff and finds his foot lands on a bridge. Hidden, but ready for anyone brave enough to take the step.

In essence the scene is saying if you take a leap of faith, life will be there ready to meet your step.

[MrXY]

The Hero's Journey is a good way to analyze whether or not you can help someone. After all, The Matrix adhered pretty strictly to the 12 stages of the journey.

The first five stages are:

Quote:

1. Ordinary World

This is where the Hero's exists before his present story begins, oblivious of the adventures to come. It's his safe place. His everyday life where we learn crucial details about our Hero, his true nature, capabilities and outlook on life. This anchors the Hero as a human, just like you and me, and makes it easier for us to identify with him and hence later, empathize with his plight.

2. Call To Adventure

The Hero's adventure begins when he receives a call to action, such as a direct threat to his safety, his family, his way of life or to the peace of the community in which he lives. It may not be as dramatic as a gunshot, but simply a phone call or conversation but whatever the call is, and however it manifests itself, it ultimately disrupts the comfort of the Hero's Ordinary World and presents a challenge or quest that must be undertaken.

3. Refusal Of The Call

Although the Hero may be eager to accept the quest, at this stage he will have fears that need overcoming. Second thoughts or even deep personal doubts as to whether or not he is up to the challenge. When this happens, the Hero will refuse the call and as a result may suffer somehow. The problem he faces may seem to much to handle and the comfort of home far more attractive than the perilous road ahead. This would also be our own response and once again helps us bond further with the reluctant Hero.

4. Meeting The Mentor

At this crucial turning point where the Hero desperately needs guidance he meets a mentor figure who gives him something he needs. He could be given an object of great importance, insight into the dilemma he faces, wise advice, practical training or even self-confidence. Whatever the mentor provides the Hero with it serves to dispel his doubts and fears and give him the strength and courage to begin his quest.

5. Crossing The Threshold

The Hero is now ready to act upon his call to adventure and truly begin his quest, whether it be physical, spiritual or emotional. He may go willingly or he may be pushed, but either way he finally crosses the threshold between the world he is familiar with and that which he is not. It may be leaving home for the first time in his life or just doing something he has always been scared to do. However the threshold presents itself, this action signifies the Hero's commitment

http://www.movieoutline.com/articles/the...omyth.html

If a man is still in the first stage and buys into the conventional view of the world, it's hopeless to try to help him. I know, I've tried. If he's in the second and third stages you can plant little seeds but expect resistance and a long time before they bear fruit , if they ever do. He has to be ready for a radical break, even if he doesn't know it, and has to be receptive and seeking. He has to know something is wrong with the world, as Morpheus pointed out to Neo. Only then can the mentor come in and offer him the Red Pill.

[zombiejimmorrison]

(09-19-2014 07:56 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

The Hero's Journey is a good way to analyze whether or not you can help someone. After all, The Matrix adhered pretty strictly to the 12 stages of the journey.

The first five stages are:

Quote:

1. Ordinary World

This is where the Hero's exists before his present story begins, oblivious of the adventures to come. It's his safe place. His everyday life where we learn crucial details about our Hero, his true nature, capabilities and outlook on life. This anchors the Hero as a human, just like you and me, and makes it easier for us to identify with him and hence later, empathize with his plight.

2. Call To Adventure

The Hero's adventure begins when he receives a call to action, such as a direct threat to his safety, his family, his way of life or to the peace of the community in which he lives. It may not be as dramatic as a gunshot, but simply a phone call or conversation but whatever the call is, and however it manifests itself, it ultimately disrupts the comfort of the Hero's Ordinary World and presents a challenge or quest that must be undertaken.

3. Refusal Of The Call

Although the Hero may be eager to accept the quest, at this stage he will have fears that need overcoming. Second thoughts or even deep personal doubts as to whether or not he is up to the challenge. When this happens, the Hero will refuse the call and as a result may suffer somehow. The problem he faces may seem to much to handle and the comfort of home far more attractive than the perilous road ahead. This would also be our own response and once again helps us bond further with the reluctant Hero.

4. Meeting The Mentor

At this crucial turning point where the Hero desperately needs guidance he meets a mentor figure who gives him something he needs. He could be given an object of great importance, insight into the dilemma he faces, wise advice, practical training or even self-confidence. Whatever the mentor provides the Hero with it serves to dispel his doubts and fears and give him the strength and courage to begin his quest.

5. Crossing The Threshold

The Hero is now ready to act upon his call to adventure and truly begin his quest, whether it be physical, spiritual or emotional. He may go willingly or he may be pushed, but either way he finally crosses the threshold between the world he is familiar with and that which he is not. It may be leaving home for the first time in his life or just doing something he has always been scared to do. However the threshold presents itself, this action signifies the Hero's commitment

http://www.movieoutline.com/articles/the...omyth.html

If a man is still in the first stage and buys into the conventional view of the world, it's hopeless to try to help him. I know, I've tried. If he's in the second and third stages you can plant little seeds but expect resistance and a long time before they bear fruit , if they ever do. He has to be ready for a radical break, even if he doesn't know it, and has to be receptive and seeking. He has to know something is wrong with the world, as Morpheus pointed out to Neo. Only then can the mentor come in and offer him the Red Pill.

This trope actually makes a lot of sense, I can even see my own story. You have to be somewhat in a hopeless position to change. I was approaching 22 still a virgin, game was like oxygen and the red pill was life blood.

[HawkWrites]

You really have to be careful here, speakeasy. On one hand you have the guys who are willing to receive advice since nothing else has worked and they are ready to change; on the other hand you have the guys who are convinced that their view of the world that doesn't match with reality is the correct one and will fight to protect it.

Anyone who knows me knows I'm not a proponent of advertising red-pill concepts but I do make exceptions. Currently I'm working through RP concepts with my US Air Force officer buddy and trying to help his brother out who's poised to get massively fucked-over. Occasionally I discuss RP stuff at work with another guy who I've been mentoring and trying to pull him out of the hole he's dug.

It's really touch-and-go and you have to gauge whether the person you're talking to is willing to receive your advice.

[bojangles]

I believe you've got to be careful and start of easy, first instances would be show him your conquests, maybe take him out for a free drinks and get him talking to women (even if it involves you engaging the group and leading)

"see how easy that was! You had a lot of fun, I could tell"

Then move him onto Roissy - pre-2009, tell him to have a read of all those articles and stories - It may seem like garbage or too far out of the ordinary for him but remind him of your little evening out and say look its real.

Finally move him onto Rollo, who'll unplug him but then you'll have to live through the different stages of red pill epiphany which can destroy a man.

It's a hard task but I trust you can do it, it'll be a slow process with patience required and a lot telling off (like he's a child), I only say this because this is exactly what I had to do with MattC who had a similar situation to your friend. (probably more dire)

[OnlyMarryInTajikistan]

My acceptance of these things was incredibly slow. I'm sure it was for most of you.

There were plenty of times where I dabbled for months trying to deny a reality that I later accepted. I remember like yesterday, when in my early 20s I spent a lot of time thinking that sluts were capable of love, I had accepted that women in the West were all whores, but somehow I could get them into a satisfying human relationship. I spent about a year with that weather in my head, the cognitive dissonance and internal battles, until for some reason I was just waiting for a plane at the airport and everything clicked. I came to the conclusion that they weren't good for that, and my standard strategy with them has been the pump-n-dump for over a decade.

These things need to be digested extremely slowly. PUAs realize them over time because they deal with this reality head on, consistently. But most men are not capable of it. You are in your reality and you think you can simply transfer it to him, but you forget how painful and tedious your own transition was.