[MrXY]

(09-16-2014 11:03 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

I drove a 1972 Cougar Convertable, lipstick red with white top, white interior. Crager wheels with big ass tires.


That car got me laid so much.

Girls would see it and want to ride in it and I couldn't drive down the street without someone giving me a thumbs up.

I believe it-those were badass cars

[Duke Castile]

That's it exactly. I was going to buy another one with a rare cobra jet engine about 8 months ago but El Mechanico talked me out of it.

[JayJuanGee]

(09-16-2014 07:50 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Class video.

While he's got admirable traits, though, this guy is a trainwreck and does not have a bright future ahead of him, no matter what you consider a bright future to be. I winced when he said he could probably be off the streets in a week but that being sober for a week was impossible when homeless.

If it got you off the streets? Fuck...That's some gnarly addiction talking, and what he says is true. The experts will tell you that people who don't want to be on the streets do not stay there long. It's the booze and drugs, or mental illness for some, that keeps most there. We were homeless for a time when growing up, and my mom was towing three kids behind. A week or two was indeed all it took with some determination and sobriety.

It was also painful at the end when he said he wouldn't advise any people follow in his footsteps. I'm all for alternative lifestyles and actually find people who live by their own rules really intriguing, but you could see in his eyes that real reason he said that is because he's miserable and is just in denial about it.

Doesn't defeat the message, but still.

Whether this video accurately depicts this guy's situation or NOT there appears to be a few attributes that are out of place and makes this guy the far exception of homelessness rather than a reflection of any wide-spread phenomenon.

Yes, his physical appearance and attributes demonstrates that his homelessness is in the very earliest of stages, and likely the longer that he is on tthe street, the more deterioration that there is going to be in his physical health, his mental health and his presentation of himself.

Currently, he seems to be describing his situation and his daily activities as a form of liberation - that when he gets up each day that he "can do whatever the fuck that he wants," but even weaved within this positive statement is the idea that others should NOT try this and others cannot pull this off.

Maybe also he can "pull this off" in NYC because for some reason he has found a niche and there are enough people willing to give him money (at least under the current situation) in order that he can eat "fairly well."

In the end, many of us seem to agree that he is NOT going to be able to keep up this gig for very long (and maybe even agree that there is some wasted talent, here). If he does NOT come up with a plan to get himself out of his current situation, then this cat is going to develop considerable regrets in the coming years.

Also, by the way,as we know, the street can be very rough, I remember seeing this very handsome and well built young (in his mid-20s) black guy in the streets of west LA. Then one day he is wearing bandages and he got really fucked up over some trivial altercations. I continued to see him on the streets for years and years after his beat down, and he was never really the same after that in terms of appearance and energy. It is even possible that some of the good looking and in shape homeless people may get targeted (once they are known) by some haters for some hater beat down.... maybe to teach them a lesson regarding what it really means to "have to be" on the streets.

[Beyond Borders]

^ Yes, that's what I was getting at in my post. That this guy is a trainwreck.

Anyhow, I think rather than arguing over whether his calculations are fully realistic or not (are they ever?), whether his lifestyle is ideal (it obviously isn't), or whether it's sustainable (he's clearly on a fast track to major burnout and loserdom), we should consider the real takeaway here. The guy is basically a bum and still pulling plenty of ass.

It's a reminder to newbs that excuses for not getting laid are just that and nothing more. Nothing more, nothing less. Social skills and game can carry you a damn long way.

As a side note, if I was on the verge of homeless, one of my first instincts would be to lock down a mediocre chick and milk her for all it was worth. My pride might keep me from doing it, but I have been tempted during hard times and definitely would be tempted if I was almost on the streets. A good emergency plan at least until you get on your feet again - women are nurturing by nature, and it's not hard to find ones that want to take care of you when you're down and out, especially since so many work in this day and age.

If this guy had a desire for a more stable existence, he'd latch on to one of these broads and leverage himself into a normal life again, but he's obviously too caught up in getting wasted and avoiding adulthood.

Edit: I wonder if he's got internet. Could be he's a lurker.

[Beyond Borders]

(09-16-2014 11:03 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

I had long curly hair a la Mathew McConahey (sp) so it fit the whole style.

[Jeans]

I live in NYC and this video was on my facebook feed.

A good number of people have made comments saying that see this guy "everyday" on their way to work. Apparently he was crashing around 23rd and Park for a while, but has recently disappeared from there.


It does seem like there has got to be more to the story, but the basic gist of it may be true. 150$ a day is a reasonable sum, I have heard many times that $100 a day is what most "savvy" homeless people are able to make. And he never claimed that these girls he mooches off were attractive.

There is no way in hell he'll be able to survive winter, though. As it is, he got really lucky in that we had an unusually very mild summer this year.

[la_mode]

This story has got to be exaggerated. The dude is fat.

If he were in really good shape, might be believable then.

[JayJuanGee]

(09-16-2014 04:25 PM)la_mode Wrote:  

This story has got to be exaggerated. The dude is fat.

If he were in really good shape, might be believable then.

He's in America.... so in other words, he is NO where near fat, yet.

[MrXY]

(09-16-2014 01:06 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Edit: I wonder if he's got internet. Could be he's a lurker.

Guarantee he's got a smart phone and bet he does look at game sites.

I don't believe his number though-guys who live on the street get good at lying and scamming to make money and survive.

But I can believe that he does sometimes go home with girls for a night or two-he's confident and has some charisma and keeps himself presentable

[rottenapple]

It all depends on the level of the chicks. Maybe he fucks ugly, old and fat chicks as well, as some men do, then yeah why not. Nothing to respect him for though.

[deathtofatties]

[deathtofatties]

There's no pointing in hating or doubting this homeless guy's game. Instead, see it as inspiration, and get out there and holler at some girls. See what happens.

[deathtofatties]

(09-16-2014 12:19 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

Also, by the way,as we know, the street can be very rough, I remember seeing this very handsome and well built young (in his mid-20s) black guy in the streets of west LA. Then one day he is wearing bandages and he got really fucked up over some trivial altercations. I continued to see him on the streets for years and years after his beat down, and he was never really the same after that in terms of appearance and energy. It is even possible that some of the good looking and in shape homeless people may get targeted (once they are known) by some haters for some hater beat down.... maybe to teach them a lesson regarding what it really means to "have to be" on the streets.

How sad. So moral of the story: don't sleep on the streets, don't be homeless.

[JayJuanGee]

(09-16-2014 10:14 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 12:19 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

Also, by the way,as we know, the street can be very rough, I remember seeing this very handsome and well built young (in his mid-20s) black guy in the streets of west LA. Then one day he is wearing bandages and he got really fucked up over some trivial altercations. I continued to see him on the streets for years and years after his beat down, and he was never really the same after that in terms of appearance and energy. It is even possible that some of the good looking and in shape homeless people may get targeted (once they are known) by some haters for some hater beat down.... maybe to teach them a lesson regarding what it really means to "have to be" on the streets.

How sad. So moral of the story: don't sleep on the streets, don't be homeless.

I never really thought about there being a moral to that particular story, except I was merely attempting to relay a situation that I saw evolve over the years of a deteriorating state from a young guy who appeared to have so much potential and good looks, who had evolved to a state of appearing to age and physically deteriorate very quickly and severely.

I suppose if there were any moral to any such story would be that if you place yourself into risky situations, then sooner or later the odds are gonna catch up with you.

Some people may believe that they do NOT have a choice in their particular situation (especially if running on some bad luck), but I suppose the degree of choice depends, in part, upon a guy trying to figure out a strategy for his long term rather than staying in a particular state that may be leading nowhere (that is if he can envision such lack of a future). Therefore, it will be much better if it appears that a guy has more options while he still has strength, youth and energy.. and if he can identify the use of such attributes within himself to get himself out of his particular path.

I do NOT know the guy's particulars (including his mental abilities) beyond his looks and some of the story about what had happened to him.

I have placed myself in some fairly risky situations for short periods of times and did a lot of shit that was, in retrospect pretty stupid and risky, but I would imagine that my level of risk and stupidness is NOT anywhere near the same level of risk (and potentially stupidness) that some guys experience if they are sleeping on the streets for years.

The guy in the video characterized some of his plight as free spirit, and I suppose it is a matter of perspective and a matter of thinking if this short term satisfaction is a good or decent long term plan (especially when he seems to have some logic abilities).

[Thoroughbred]

It's easy to underestimate the radical shift in perception and re organisation of internal priorities that comes from living on the fringe of society, even in civilised areas.
He would have a boldness and sense of drive in his interpersonal communication that would stand out like dogs balls in the bland ocean of these women's bog standard social interactions:

*Nothing to loose game*

[Fortis]

This is pretty bad ass. If he can make 150$ a day panhandling, perhaps I should quit my job and panhandle for a living.

[MrXY]

(09-16-2014 10:14 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 12:19 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

Also, by the way,as we know, the street can be very rough, I remember seeing this very handsome and well built young (in his mid-20s) black guy in the streets of west LA. Then one day he is wearing bandages and he got really fucked up over some trivial altercations. I continued to see him on the streets for years and years after his beat down, and he was never really the same after that in terms of appearance and energy. It is even possible that some of the good looking and in shape homeless people may get targeted (once they are known) by some haters for some hater beat down.... maybe to teach them a lesson regarding what it really means to "have to be" on the streets.

How sad. So moral of the story: don't sleep on the streets, don't be homeless.

Ironic coming from a guy whose avatar is Brother Sharp.

He's another example of how attitude and style can overcome bad circumstances

[deathtofatties]

(09-16-2014 11:24 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 10:14 PM)deathtofatties Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 12:19 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

Also, by the way,as we know, the street can be very rough, I remember seeing this very handsome and well built young (in his mid-20s) black guy in the streets of west LA. Then one day he is wearing bandages and he got really fucked up over some trivial altercations. I continued to see him on the streets for years and years after his beat down, and he was never really the same after that in terms of appearance and energy. It is even possible that some of the good looking and in shape homeless people may get targeted (once they are known) by some haters for some hater beat down.... maybe to teach them a lesson regarding what it really means to "have to be" on the streets.

How sad. So moral of the story: don't sleep on the streets, don't be homeless.

Ironic coming from a guy whose avatar is Brother Sharp.

He's another example of how attitude and style can overcome bad circumstances

Ironic indeed.

Brother Sharp just looks like a cool, alpha asian guy. The fact that he was a homeless Chinese bum had nothing to do with my choice to use him as my avatar.

Attitude and style can overcome bad situations, sometimes bad situations forge style and attitude. But being homeless can't be good for your game, especially your inner game, no way.

[ddjembe mutombo]

I highly doubt the guy is sleeping on the streets during his 'off nights'. A bed at the hostel is definitely affordable with the money that guy claims to be pulling. Regarding how clean he looks... I'd say the dude has a membership to a cheap gym like the Y. That way he can shower and clean-up when ever he needs. I don't doubt his numbers though. He really does nothing all day so pullin' bitches becomes his main gig.

[bigbait]

(09-16-2014 05:18 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 04:25 PM)la_mode Wrote:  

This story has got to be exaggerated. The dude is fat.

If he were in really good shape, might be believable then.

He's in America.... so in other words, he is NO where near fat, yet.

I think you're mostly joking and I'm not a fattist, but in manhattan this guy is definitely considered fat by most girls. That said, plenty of guys here talk their way out of being pigeon holed as a fat guy.

[bigbait]

(09-16-2014 09:01 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Guys, one thing you are neglecting is that his supposed notch count. ''+150''. If we assume it just over 150, say 156, that is 3 girls a week every week. EVERY week. No low seaons, no snowy days, no sickness, no dry spells, no commitment, no short term relationships, no dating. If he gets sick or too tired or too dirty for a week, he has to bang 6 girls the next week. Why are we even discussing whether he is a fake or not... It doesn't matter if he is homeless or if he has low standards. I don't think ANY man can accomplish such high notch count in a year. Not because it's theoretically impossible, but it's impossible in practice. You can't get 150 ONS a year. Never. You can have a threesome or foursome, you can bang 3 girls in a week, you can maybe even bang 12 girls in a month, but you can't bang 150 girls in a year. It is insane to even consider this. You will find a girl you want to keep banging. You will get sick. You will get moody. You will go through dry spells. Your standards will probably rise after the 30th girl. For 150 ONS, you will catch some STDs. You will be busy trying to make money. You will want to rest and take a few days off. Only a robot could do it.

It is definitely not insane to think that you could bang 150 girls a year in new york city. You could do it in 6 months in Indonesia or the phills. Maybe you will get lazy and have some fives but most of your girls should be 7+.
This is what you need to do:
1) have your money situation already figured out
2) have a good location in the center of the city close to a few crazy bars
3) obviously you want mostly one night stands but you can
a) screen out girls that need a lot of dates
b) do multiple short dates a day for girls that you are willing to date to get the bang
c) release the girl after the first night you bang
4) take good care of yourself to prevent getting colds
5) keep things fresh by banging different types of girls
6) keep things easy by finding a workflow that makes things easy for you
7) keep yourself comfortable and positive by locking down the bars you go to

[JayJuanGee]

(09-18-2014 03:01 PM)bigbait Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 05:18 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 04:25 PM)la_mode Wrote:  

This story has got to be exaggerated. The dude is fat.

If he were in really good shape, might be believable then.

He's in America.... so in other words, he is NO where near fat, yet.

I think you're mostly joking and I'm not a fattist, but in manhattan this guy is definitely considered fat by most girls. That said, plenty of guys here talk their way out of being pigeon holed as a fat guy.

I've been to NYC too, and I have seen plenty of fatties.. both guys and girls... though I do NOT pay as much attention to guys.. and I would NOT really know if a girl would get down on a guy for his being fat - because I have seen plenty of decent girls with fat guys.

Surely our opinions can vary about whether the guy in the video appears to be fat (we certainly did NOT see a shirtless picture or some tight clothes on him), but I did NOT consider the guy to appear fat in any kind of repulsive way, and he seemed generally attractive in his physical appearance.. no homo...

Even saying all that I am NOT really very clear about whether a girl would consider him handsome or NOT or what kinds of girls would find him acceptable to bang or to hang out with... like some other guys have said, in this thread, his circumstance may cause a certain desperation and even appeal to the maternal side of the woman if he can charm them while saying that he has run into some bad luck concerning lodging.. food, etc...

In other words, sometimes I see fairly attractive girls with some pretty pathetic looking guys, who, in my humble bumble assessment, look much worse than that guy.. both in terms of fatness and other physical appearance characteristics.

[Soothesayer]

I watched the video and kept waiting for any mention of him taking a shower. Didn't hear anything mentioned. does he go to a gym? I guess if he's getting $150/day then yeah, but you'd have thought he would mention that detail as glowing as his skin is. I grew up in Louisiana and even one weekend without a good shower will leave my arms resembling something out of an X-Men movie.

[draketton]

If he ended up homeless and his game is that good why isn't he a sugar baby yet?

This stinks

[Santoro]

True or not, I believe it

I play music on the street corner with a homeless drummer nearly every friday and sat night. He's homeless by choice...a party animal who uses all his money on vices.

He swings from girl to girl getting lodging and resources. Think Tommy Lee with short hair. He's 34 and shows no signs of slowing down.

What's more, we play in the middle of the crowded bar area of our city and the ONLY girls that come up and start a conversation/dance to our music are the truly confident girls...ie usually 8+ in talent. The girls that talk shit and are POF/OKC famous can't huck it to put themselves out there. Same with dudes. You get some of the coolest guys in town grabbing a chick's hand and starting a mini-dance party on the corner. Kind of Xyzz-esque stuff. True confidence. And they all stick around to network/have a beer...there's very little competitive out-alpha bs among these guys because none of their resources are limited in any way...they have money and usually a few girls with them. If anything they introduce the single girl in the group who isn't with anyone for the night. Cool motherfuckers.

There's no darkness, no blasting music to hide anyones fears. It really cuts to the core and brings out a person's true self. It's given me a lot of perspective since I got into it a few months ago.

I absolutely believe Fisto's stories...I even think Fisto downplayed just how much action he saw...and have seen this drummer pull it off since I met him. Hell some nights I get offered 'lodging' because they just assume I'm homeless/hooked on vices as well.

The funniest part is that I started using a cheap flip phone when I go out bc I kept losing my phone...now girls will comment "oh I love broke musicians!! lol omg lol" when they see my phone and rush to buy me a beer or bring me a slice of pizza or tell me where the afterparty is

Unrelated but important, between playing music in the street and playing in a venue...if you're looking for social benefits playing on the street is 10x more likely to get you action

Btw Fortis, my drummer and I pull anywhere from $15-30/hr each when we play on weekend bar nights. Usually $10-15/hr each playing weekday nights/ downtown during the day. Outside sporting events you can reach up to $40-50/hr each, especially football games when people are drunk from tailgating. There's times where you'll make more, sometimes less, but those are pretty fair averages