[Crackshot]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...gains.html

Sweden's Social Democrats likely to win legislative elections Sunday, while far right makes major gains, according to exit poll published with four hours to go before end of voting

Sweden’s Social Democrats look set to reclaim power after eight years in opposition, as the far-Right made historic gains in a general election that spells the demise of the coalition that has ruled the country since 2006.

The anti-immigration Sweden Democrats were expected to double their seats in parliament as frustration grows among the 10 million strong population at liberal asylum rules that have resulted in a growing influx of refugees.

The Social Democrats and their likely coalition partners, the Greens and the Left Party, would get 44.9 per cent of the vote according to opinion polls.

If the poll proves right, Stefan Löfven, the former welder who leads the Social Democrats, looks set to become the next prime minister, although he warned against complacency.

“I’ve said all along that this election is going to be incredibly tough,” the stocky 57-year-old told reporters after he cast his vote in Stockholm Sunday.

YouGov’s poll is in line with other recent surveys suggesting that the Sweden Democrats are set to become the third-largest in the parliament of a nation that has traditionally taken pride in its welcoming attitude towards foreigners.

“The Sweden Democrats is the only political party that wants to stop immigration,” said Anders Sannerstedt, a political scientist at Lund University, who has studied the party closely. “All the other political parties have a united stance.”

Sweden, which has one of Europe’s most generous refugee policies, expects an influx of nearly 90,000 refugees this year - numbers not seen since the Balkan wars of the 1990s.

Voters in Stockholm interviewed by AFP early Sunday were mostly hostile to the Sweden Democrats.

“This time we have this more or less new party on the very right wing,” said Christina Lindvall, a lawyer, adding she was most likely to vote for the Greens. “Those of us who don’t support them need to show that.”

[The Beast1]

Beyond stopping immigration, what other things do they stand for? I would need to research these parties before giving them a "Go team go!"

[Hank]

They predict that the feminist party will not get a single seat in the parliament.

[pants]

(09-14-2014 04:30 PM)Hank Wrote:  

They predict that the feminist party will not get a single seat in the parliament.

This makes me so happy.

Jimmie Åkesson is such a good politician.
I agree on his opinion about immigration, but for many other cases i dont.

Against abortion. That seems a little old-fashioned to me.
Up social security for unemployed people. Don´t agree on this one either.

[berserk]

(09-14-2014 04:17 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Beyond stopping immigration, what other things do they stand for? I would need to research these parties before giving them a "Go team go!"

All these parties are national-socialist and populistic. "We can only afford welfare if we stop immigration" is how they steal votes from social-democrats.
They are the basis for the facism that could once again re-emerge in Europe if EU and immigration are not stopped.

People are too damn stupid, both the left who understand nothing and the conservative right who don't get that by failing to address EU and mass immigration they are playing right into the hand of facists.

It is partly due to not having been told the true story of the rise of fascism in Europe in the 20s.

It is exactly the same situation. The same kind of supra-national socialism pushed by the same people, only this time those people have a new proxy to divert attention in the muslims.

By failing to cut down government size, restrict immigration, lower taxes and remove feminism, they will create more radicalism and all it will then take is some Greece like austerity before these new-facist parties gain 30% all over Europe.

[The Reactionary Tree]

(09-14-2014 04:38 PM)berserk Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 04:17 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

Beyond stopping immigration, what other things do they stand for? I would need to research these parties before giving them a "Go team go!"

All these parties are national-socialist and populistic. "We can only afford welfare if we stop immigration" is how they steal votes from social-democrats.
They are the basis for the facism that could once again re-emerge in Europe if EU and immigration are not stopped.

People are too damn stupid, both the left who understand nothing and the conservative right who don't get that by failing to address EU and mass immigration they are playing right into the hand of facists.

It is partly due to not having been told the true story of the rise of fascism in Europe in the 20s.

It is exactly the same situation. The same kind of supra-national socialism pushed by the same people, only this time those people have a new proxy to divert attention in the muslims.

By failing to cut down government size, restrict immigration, lower taxes and remove feminism, they will create more radicalism and all it will then take is some Greece like austerity before these new-facist parties gain 30% all over Europe.

I am pretty sure everyone is aware of fascism. In every school in Western civilization it is pounded into our heads every day that Hitler was a very naughty man, that fascism is bad and we should feel bad, and that anyone to the right of John Boehner is essentially a racist Neo-Nazi.

Personally, it brings me joy to see parties like UKIP, Golden Dawn, the Swedish Democrats, and Le Front Nationale gaining steam in Europe. Europe has followed the progressive path for far too long and it has brought them nothing but socialism and barbarism.

To assert the notion that France should remain French or Sweden should remain Swedish is not a racist idea to me. That is all these people are doing. They are so proud of their culture and heritage, as they should be. They are watching it being taken away from them from Labour parties with massive third world immigration. They are being displaced by some very unfriendly outsiders as we have seen in places like Rotherham or Malmo. Let the Europeans take their nations back. Europeans have the right to self-determination. I hope they win and I hope the EU is dissolved.

Here is a message from the Swedish Democrats Youths:

Cheers to the rise of European Nationalism.

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(09-14-2014 04:48 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  


Cheers to the rise of European Nationalism.

You misunderstand me. I just don't want to stand number 20001 in line shouting 'Heil Hitler' in order to live in a patriarchal ethnic European nationstate.

Yes, we are told Hitler is a bad man, but not WHY he was so popular. And there was a big WHY, but we were not told it, and now very little of 20s Europe and therefore we repeat the mistakes.

I'd ten times rather live in the sort of society America was in the 1950s of patriarchy, small government and free market economics.

Fascism isn't cool, even if you're on the 'winning side'.

I'm saying that I'm pissed that conservatives and libertarians don't get that they're throwing away a golden opportunity to gain power if only they'd put aside their selfish EU aspirations and their 'one world, one people, one interest payer' dream of the WTO sponsors.

The very people who now vote leftist will soon vote fascist. This includes women. Once their irresponsible actions have fucked society up, they will scream and moan about who can protect them and enter Golden Dawn, the strong arm and hand. They will all deny having any responsibility for it of course.

Besides, I prefer Generation Identaire's video's for production value:

[The Reactionary Tree]

UKIP has capitalized on the the anti-EU notions. They are not some ethno-nationalist party by any means. I would describe them as libertarian, maybe right-leaning libertarians.

The problem over there is similar to here in the states. The major liberal & conservative parties essentially do the same thing. So it is easy for a nationalist movement to pick up the slack where their conservative parties drop the ball. Also, in other European countries, I dont see libertarianism being that popular. They seem to very much like a lot of the socialist aspects of their countries.

So with the mainstream conservative parties being politically correct hacks & libertarianism not being very popular, it makes sense why nationalist movements are coming to power.

[KC4]

SD is only gonna be there for 1 term its only a matter of time before åkesson says or does something stupid. I agree on reduced immigration and putting more effort on the military but thats it. In my eyes they will always be closet racists.

[The Beast1]

(09-14-2014 05:01 PM)berserk Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 04:48 PM)The Reactionary Tree Wrote:  


Cheers to the rise of European Nationalism.

You misunderstand me. I just don't want to stand number 20001 in line shouting 'Heil Hitler' in order to live in a patriarchal ethnic European nationstate.

Yes, we are told Hitler is a bad man, but not WHY he was so popular. And there was a big WHY, but we were not told it, and now very little of 20s Europe and therefore we repeat the mistakes.

I'd ten times rather live in the sort of society America was in the 1950s of patriarchy, small government and free market economics.

Fascism isn't cool, even if you're on the 'winning side'.

I'm saying that I'm pissed that conservatives and libertarians don't get that they're throwing away a golden opportunity to gain power if only they'd put aside their selfish EU aspirations and their 'one world, one people, one interest payer' dream of the WTO sponsors.

The very people who now vote leftist will soon vote fascist. This includes women. Once their irresponsible actions have fucked society up, they will scream and moan about who can protect them and enter Golden Dawn, the strong arm and hand. They will all deny having any responsibility for it of course.

Besides, I prefer Generation Identaire's video's for production value:

I'll be honest, I don't think anything is inherently wrong with fascism. Schools are just taught that Fascism equals jew killing which is far from the truth which we all know isn't true.

The US's "melting pot" culture could easily morph into a happily fascist one. Once the country reaches Weinmar republic status, follow the playbook that Hitler wrote.

Start a political party that focuses on American nationalism that openly blames feminism as the case of all our country's ills, and if there's a nasty war that the US loses which also causes the country to collapse claim that feminism back stabbed the country and its soldiers.

Use the crazy feminists we all know and love as political scape goats in the same way the Jews were. Shame that type of behavior and jail anyone that disagrees. No need to torture or the like. Too messy. You only need a few high profile cases to get the rest of them to be quiet.

Openly shame billionaires that also don't comply with your party's nationalistic doctrine. Use that ever lovely 'Merican patriotism mob justice to ensure that other oligarchs comply with your wishes.

And finally, use protectionism to re-build the manufacturing sector of the US economy. Force your oligarchs to the table with favorable business reasons. If difficult to persuade, use your 'Merican mob justice to ensure compliance.

Focus the country's r&d facilities to focus on rapid advancement into space. I don't understand why our leaders continue to play in a sandbox when we have an entire solar system loaded with easy to extract minerals.

#IfIwereaFascistLeader

[berserk]

(09-14-2014 05:31 PM)KC4 Wrote:  

SD is only gonna be there for 1 term its only a matter of time before åkesson says or does something stupid. I agree on reduced immigration and putting more effort on the military but thats it. In my eyes they will always be closet racists.

Nah, SD is there to stay and next time will probably get 20%. This isn't a fluke, this is a trend and one that will get stronger in all of Europe. The mainstream has made them martyrs now, by calling them racists. Do you think those 13% will go back to parties who called them all kind of names? No way, they will only grow.

[The Reactionary Tree]

frenchie for Fuhrer of America

[infowarrior1]

(09-14-2014 05:31 PM)KC4 Wrote:  

SD is only gonna be there for 1 term its only a matter of time before åkesson says or does something stupid. I agree on reduced immigration and putting more effort on the military but thats it. In my eyes they will always be closet racists.

Can't sweden get any more sane parties. I mean patriarchy and rule of law without the Fascism which is really just a different flavour of socialism?

http://mises.org/daily/5752/The-Fascist-Threat

Its not only bad social policy but fascism is expansionist as well.

[Feisbook Control]

I dislike the demotic aspect of it all. Mob justice never turns out well, though perhaps it's a necessary middle step.

Otherwise, I don't have such a problem with it. On the scale of the neoreactionary trichotomy, I'm probably somewhere in the middle of techno-futurism, ethnic nationalism and (Christian) traditionalism. Due to my own circumstances, I couldn't/wouldn't want to live in a mono-ethnic European country, but that doesn't mean I don't think that Europe should essentially be for Europeans.

[numanist]

If the Sweden Democrats operated outside of Europe, they would be classified as a normal party. Ostensibly, every nation outside the west has a nativist immigration policy which restricts immigrants. It's only European nationalist parties that are singled out and called 'fascist'.

[lskdfjldsf]

Europeans tend to view the right through a different lens than the left. If a party isn't blindly pro-mass immigration, the general public thinks they're fascists and Nazis, while any degree of political extreme on the left is still viewed as inherently "good" because they put third world vegetable vendors before tax paying natives. It's the same sickening discussion here in Germany, where keeping Germany for the Germans or Sweden for the Swedes is considered racist.

In other words, a shift to the right (particularly with immigration) means a restoration of common sense, not a return to Nazism.

[Swedreams]

(09-15-2014 12:15 AM)numanist Wrote:  

If the Sweden Democrats operated outside of Europe, they would be classified as a normal party. Ostensibly, every nation outside the west has a nativist immigration policy which restricts immigrants. It's only European nationalist parties that are singled out and called 'fascist'.

Sure, if you read their manifesto it could pass as a "normal" party. I think a lot of people in Sweden are upset by their rising numbers because of the party's history. They originate from the white power movement and had many early leaders were coming from neo-nazi and nazi parties. Nowadays they have cleaned up their act, let their hair grow out and banned uniforms and replaced them with suits. By many they are regarded as wolves in sheeps' clothing.

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(09-15-2014 12:15 AM)numanist Wrote:  

If the Sweden Democrats operated outside of Europe, they would be classified as a normal party. Ostensibly, every nation outside the west has a nativist immigration policy which restricts immigrants. It's only European nationalist parties that are singled out and called 'fascist'.

No they really wouldn't be classified as a "normal" party. The theory sounds good, it's just that their representatives tend to embarrass themselves regularly.

The only reason that they get votes, despite their lunacy, is that they are the only major party (apart from the Party of the Swedes, which are truly neo-nazis) that wants to restrict immigration.

[KC4]

@swedreams that's exactly why people are upset. You paint stripes on a horse and call it zebra but at the end of the day its still a horse. In the past they were quite active with nazis but sure they cleaned up their act yet you still see party members spitting out random shit like kick out all n********. Kill all the Muslims, all brown people are terrorists. And still they are growing.

[Vicious]

For the last 4 years I have been one of few voices trying to talk sense about what Sweden is and isn't on RvF. Many people came in here jabbering incoherently about Vikings, feminists and Muslims in one sentence after having read some blog post heavy on race theory. Most of the time these people had never even visited the country.

Today I thumb my nose at all the detractors that have bought into the media narrative and kept wailing about Swedish feminism. The feminist party is locked out of Parliament (though they did soak away valuable votes from the left to no avail). At the same time the party that values a national identity and conservatism proves to have 4x the number of votes, making them the third largest party.

Singular articles in sensationalist newspapers have been allowed to shape boardmember's perceptions . Tales of gender neutral daycares or ridiculous motions from the left on seated pissing gets more attention from those that allow the media to shape their view of the world. At the same time I have been talking about how a counter-culture has been brewing in the Nation. I have long held that feminism is a fringe occurrence that does not have a foothold among the broader public. Today I am vindicated in this. It all occurred as I told it would. And while gloating never wins any sympathy I will allow myself to do just that now.

[mikado]

So basically they are being elected just because they are afraid of immigrants, who want to take over their country ( or even Europe) and are stealing all the resources that the locals deserve more.
Not because they want to solve economic problems, education ones, etc etc

And of course they take "pure" Europeans, typically with blond hair and blue eyes for those propaganda videos posted here.

I have bad news for you.
You will never return to that dreamed state of things where like 95% of people were of European heritage in UK, France, Sweden etc etc.
Because immigration is a cultural and economical fact that cannot be stopped.

What makes me laugh the most is that those parties (Swedish Democrats, Front National... ) only base their political message on the hate, call for removal of immigration and preference nationale. All the rest of their program is BS and economically non viable.

Maybe it's because I am an immigrant as well, but I cannot support a party where people call for massive inequality of treatment. When I see my friends and relatives get great marks, solid experience in their field, then get denied a job, a house etc because they are foreign, and replaced by way less competent and less financially stable guys just because the latter are french white, and in a town with a Front National mayor, then I call it injustice.

This makes me sad because this state of mind is widely shared in the manosphere. On this forum too.
I don't know if you realize it, but the manosphere is turning more and more into " let's get off the country everything that's gay, feminist, woman, especially black women, and foreigners , particularly Muslims,and everyone that makes the government discriminate against the white young christian men".
Of course, we WYCM must expect to be viewed as white gods everywhere outside the West ( especially SEA ) and allowed to implant financially ourselves in those countries, and even live there ( and get those Asian flags).

What I see is a big complex of superiority, and sense of entitlement.
You think that immigrants and/or Muslims are pressuring the government to give them benefits over the others.
Benefits that you think YOU deserve.

I will tell you something:
That so-called "equality actions" from the governments are far from changing the destiny of the immigrants.
My relatives, as I said, are still suffering from the glass ceiling.
The racism in the streets and from the police is still there. Thank God I have a quite clear skin tone so I can pass a bit for a mixed guy. However, tell that to my other friends who are dark skinned and are checked for ID almost every single day.
That welfare you think we are enjoying, I can assure you that it's nothing. We still have a hard time to finish the month, like most people. And the government does not consult us about what we want. Look at the right to vote for the foreigners, which was debated in France. Most of the foreigners did not want it. What they wanted was integration, and maybe easiness to become French, when you've been staying here for a while and working and paying your taxes.

The average Immigrant is not coming to the West to leech off the country.
He just wants a better life, work and pay taxes like you.
At least that's what the generation before me was looking for. And it's those values that I inherited.

I read carefully almost all the anti immigration messages on this forum. Most of you are not even pushing for a stricter control of immigration. You are pushing for NO IMMIGRATION AT ALL. Of course, that's only one-sided. You on the other hand are pushing for emigrating to SEA. And of course, this time, you are not complaining about swooping the local girls. And you laugh on the forum about the Asian betas when they are pissed off by you.

Your message is essentially: I want a manosphere for me, white male. The whole world must be mine, but my world is only mine.

You already talk a lot about how more feminine, submissive, grateful, and nice foreign girls are.
If you took that hate towards immigrants, and instead turned it to teaching on the manosphere to these male immigrants. Which include being a man, taking care of family, working out, improving his style, not taking bullshit from other betas and women, respecting people who respect you. And not shaming them, vilipending them for being non-white and foreigner.
I think the problem would solve itself.
I don't care about the governments. I only care about the manosphere, and how the men are acting. I take interest at their level, not the state's level.
For me the message of the manosphere is too much focused on the negative, the hate and the blame. And there are so many frustrated AFC ( yeah, Pua slang back) there that they prefer focusing on changing government, instead of changing their own destiny by themselves.

[Vicious]

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So basically they are being elected just because they are afraid of immigrants, who want to take over their country ( or even Europe) and are stealing all the resources that the locals deserve more.
Not because they want to solve economic problems, education ones, etc etc

Wrong.

All the polls and stat analysis is in agreement on that SD didn't reach these numbers due to their stance on restricting immigration.

Their votes comes from being the only party outside the "establishment", the only party that has a clear and distinct agenda unlike the rest of the middle ground parties that all speak the same diluted and triangulated PC talk.

The party has been persecuted, private members online activity tracked and hacked. People with a democratic sense do not accept undemocratic actions for "the greater good" which the media has portrayed themselves as.

[Feisbook Control]

mikado: You should be a second class citizen in France because you're not French. I should be a second class citizen in Taiwan because I'm not Taiwanese. France for the French, Taiwan for the Taiwanese, Sweden for the Swedes. Everyone else is a guest. What a sense of entitlement so many immigrants have. Funny how when white people did it, it was called colonialism.

[mikado]

Feisbook Control

The difference is that I did not come here to steal French's possessions and freedom
Which is what the colons did in Africa.

And by that logic almost no American today deserve to be called American, because the Indian natives are the True Americans.
They are only guests.

BS logic.

[Feisbook Control]

(09-15-2014 05:16 AM)mikado Wrote:  

Feisbook Control

The difference is that I did not come here to steal French's possessions and freedom
Which is what the colons did in Africa.

According to you. Their ancestors have been there for hundreds or thousands of years. If large numbers of white people started moving to Africa right now, people would talk about neo-colonialism. Hell, people are talking of Chinese colonialism in Africa. It's always a case of other continents/countries for the people of those continents/countries, Europe/white countries for everybody. You wonder why Europeans feel a little pissed off about this? What is absurd is that many European nations never even engaged in colonialism, and were, in fact, colonies themselves. So you can't even push the historic sin line on them, as irrelevant as I think that would be anyway.

Europeans are also rightly concerned about a lot of immigrants moving to their countries and then demanding certain "rights" that actually do clash with the indigenous cultures. There's a reason why you don't hear much about Chinese or Vietnamese in the U.K., and that's because they behave themselves and don't constantly demand "rights" that aren't theirs to begin with.

It's also fallacious to talk about African freedom in the same way that it would be to talk about the freedom of medieval peasants in Europe or China. Freedom, like many great things and ideas, was a concept brought by Europeans, as hypocritically as it was implemented at times. Africans were selling each other as slaves long before white people ever got there to join in.

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And by that logic almost no American today deserve to be called American, because the Indian natives are the True Americans.
They are only guests.

There is some logic in that, though history is history. Hundreds of years is long enough, I think. No one is going to propose kicking anyone who is not Ainu out of Japan, for instance. No one is going to propose kicking anyone with Roman, Anglo-Saxon, Danish or Norman ancestry out of England either just because those people weren't the original inhabitants.