[brofists]

Attractive guys are okay, but masculine men's sperm are doomed

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The researchers saw that while attractive guys have better sperm quality — which has been suggested in the past — guys with more masculine features had lower quality sperm. But those numbers didn't hold up when men with literally unhealthy sperm were dropped from the equation, so the results may be a bit inconclusive right now.

Low Sperm Quality because You're Handsome

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In addition to looking for the link between masculine-looking faces and sperm quality, the researchers wanted to know if men's sperm quality was related to their handsomeness.

"And we found that in fact it is," Kekalainen said in the email

Full study :here
Very interesting note in the study:

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female raters could accurately predict how good the quality of your sperm is by looking at the picture of test subject.

Could it be masculine guys are actually getting laid way too much? causing the testes to forgo quality control to meet the massive female cumsumer demand?

[Quintus Curtius]

I guess the lesson here is that "you can't have it all!"

Or can you?

[void]

Handsome dudes sperms usually don't have to compete with ugly dudes sperms. Ugly dudes sperms have to compete the shit out of anyone if dude gets to bang.
Thought experiment: When a women gets gangbanged by 10 dudes, the likelyhood that the kid is one of the "ugly" dudes is then above 50 percent. Maybe 80%. Evolution

[Beyond Borders]

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The women evaluators were asked to rate the men as if they were looking for a long-term mate.

Hmmmm.....

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I am not sure what the article is trying to say, but I am indeed not above 7/jacked/blessed with strong jaw and I have excellent sperm

So, when you see reports of these things being born, you know that I have started seriously approaching:

[Fighting888]

So, good looking men have high quality sperm?

but non-handsome and masculine men have low-quality sperm?

[Mage]

This study sounds suspicious. There have been many studies in various fields with agenda to prove how masculine things are bad.

[bojangles]

(09-10-2014 02:46 AM)Mage Wrote:  

This study sounds suspicious. There have been many studies in various fields with agenda to prove how masculine things are bad.

well it does say the results maybe a bit inconclusive now...so I don't get why the fuck they posted the study. Maybe you know reach your conclusion after all results are analysed...well thats what they taught us in Science at school

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(09-09-2014 01:36 PM)brofists Wrote:  

Full study :here
Very interesting note in the study:

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female raters could accurately predict how good the quality of your sperm is by looking at the picture of test subject.

Could it be masculine guys are actually getting laid way too much? causing the testes to forgo quality control to meet the massive female cumsumer demand?

I call bullshit. The study has a ridiculous sample size of 50 men.

The data they received was ambivalent.

Handsome men had good sperm, but masculine men had bad sperm.
Women assessed long-term mating potential - female attraction assessments are notoriously bad and have to be done via lie-detector as we know it. Plenty of women would fuck the rough thug senseless, but would never marry him and she would never admit to be attracted to him in a study.

Plus and that is the most formidable factor:

Sperm quality is extremely affected by lifestyle - food, water, exercise, toxins (smoking, alcohol, drugs, toxic food, toxic job environment etc.) AND then genetics. Plenty of of porn actors know perfectly well that they can increase sperm-load x-fold via massive doses of zinc, huge amounts of fruits consumed and other tricks.
Orthomolecular doctors have been reversing infertility for decades via high doses of vitamin c (10.000mg daily) and other vitamins and minerals (zinc over 100mg daily).

Testosterone can affect fertility of course and men can even become temporarily infertile through use of TRT - some even use it as a kind of birth-control. But that effect is in the wide majority of cases reversible.

I call bullshit on the study.

Proper design propositions:

- 1000 men
- attractiveness assessment on short-term mating and long-term mating by women & all women strapped to a lie-detector
- all men take orthomolecular supplements for 2 months before study
- all men adhere to highly nutrient dense food intake and lack of toxins - even if not available, then finding subgroups of men with different lifestyles for comparison - 100 vegans, 100 super-healthy dudes, 100 standard American diet, 100 guys with plenty of alcohol, partying etc.
- in my opinion you would have to compare also vaccinated, highly vaccinated and non-vaccinated guys, since we know that those things affect fertility as well

Then we are talking. But we would not get such a study for a variety of reasons.

And we do know that the feminine imperative and the ruling elite simply have no desire for "masculine" men - too many problems with them. So let us rather take a look why Masculine-Men-Bashing is becoming a popular meme nowadays. Since we all know that Gender is a concept, do we?

The study reminds me of phrenology - using phenotype-linked fertility indicators. What next? Again measuring the fucking skull-bones and distances between ears and eyes to find if the guy is "overly aggressive", has the "poverty-gene", is potentially infertile? argh.. sheysters

@Mage - just read your comment later - no surprise that other guys have the same idea.

[Beyond Borders]

(09-10-2014 03:29 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

And we do know that the feminine imperative and the ruling elite simply have no desire for "masculine" men - too many problems with them.

Bingo.

All the manosphere guys who scoff at "conspiracy theories" ought to go watch "The Century of the Self" and then re-read this statement again and over again.

[ThrustMaster]

If you think about it that the ugly dude has not blown his load in a while (lowered chances) therefore he has a larger load to deliver onto the battlefield, the good looking guy may have tapped something earlier and has less to drop. Read Sperm Wars, the pdf is out there somewhere...

It's evolutionary biology stuff. Fascinating read.

(09-09-2014 01:50 PM)void Wrote:  

Handsome dudes sperms usually don't have to compete with ugly dudes sperms. Ugly dudes sperms have to compete the shit out of anyone if dude gets to bang.
Thought experiment: When a women gets gangbanged by 10 dudes, the likelyhood that the kid is one of the "ugly" dudes is then above 50 percent. Maybe 80%. Evolution

[Dr. Howard]

(09-10-2014 03:38 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 03:29 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

And we do know that the feminine imperative and the ruling elite simply have no desire for "masculine" men - too many problems with them.

Bingo.

All the manosphere guys who scoff at "conspiracy theories" ought to go watch "The Century of the Self" and then re-read this statement again and over again.

See also the outcry against 'gross hairy men' while cavemen like Roosh and myself have not been without quality notches.

[Cr33pin]

Well I guess I won't be needing these anymore.

[El Chinito loco]

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female raters could accurately predict how good the quality of your sperm is by looking at the picture of test subject.

Umm yes how interesting. Perhaps a further study shall be conducted whereas I inject spermatosa into the mouths of the subjects.