[TravellingSoldier]

Oil of Oregano! Know lots of people who swear by it and my grandma uses it, she's a health nut and spends hours a day reading supplement stuff. So I would recommend it.

[VincentVinturi]

Thanks Zel, I did some research on vitamin C after your reply.

Apparently vitamin C has pretty crappy bioavailability and can cause stomach problems if your surpass the 'bowel tolerance' dose.

But there's a super bio-available form of vitamin C called liposomal vitamin C that offers 90%+ bioavailability. It's basically ascorbic acid coated with phospholipids (fats).

I read a bunch of anecdotal reports saying that liposomal vitamin C is a godsend so I went ahead and ordered Mercola's version from iHerb. Shit's expensive though. All of the Mercola supps are (they're good though).

But it looks like you can make your own pretty easily.

I'll report back in a few months when I've run out.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(08-29-2014 08:42 AM)Ensam Wrote:  

I second zinc. Vitamin C does jack shit for me but zinc will usually get a cold over with in a day or - if I start hammering zinc the moment I feel the tiniest bit off - prevent me from getting it in the first place.

I third zinc. Vitamin C also doesn't do anything for me, but zinc dramatically dries my nose up.

[Dalaran1991]

K maybe to each his own but I find multivitamin tablet, the type which dissolves in water, is the most effective. Garlic is also king.

I hate catching a cold bc of running nose and sore throat. On a trip to vegas I caught a cold on the first day. I knew if I didnt cure it quickly my trip will be shit.

So I took two of those tablets in one day instead of one. A bit of overdose once/season wont kill you. Then I ordered some food with extra extra garlic and made sure the waiter get it. I also took an almost boiling bath.

The cold dies out afternoon next day. After two days Im back at 100%.

[SteveCR]

While it won't do anything to rid of a cold, prevention is the best thing you can do. Juice your vegetables daily, it helps so much.

And my doctor is a fan of giving Vitamin C and B12 shots instead of treating the symptoms of a cold. Clears it right up.

[slubu]

Am I reading this right? You guys are taking 70g of Vit C per dose? I currently have a bad cold, but my own fault. I felt it coming on and drank hard for 3 days instead of resting. That really escalated shit.

[redbeard]

I'm on the same page as slubu. When you guys say you're taking "a lot" of zinc for a cold, how much are you taking?

And what form of vitamin c is best? I have a bunch of Emergen-C which has 1000 mg/serving.

This is very interesting to me. My zinc chewables have 60 mg Vitamin C, it's as if they know they're effective together.

[bourne]

It's a good idea to find a doctor who will give you antibiotics. This clears things up very quickly unless your cold is viral and not bacterial.

I used to tough it out but now that I have access to antibiotics I don't fuck around. If I get a cold I nuke that shit and get on with my life.

My doctor told me this is what most doctors and nurses do, otherwise they would be sick all the time from constantly being around other sick people.

[VincentVinturi]

Antibiotics are useless against colds. Colds are viral and antibiotics combat bacterial infections.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(09-04-2014 01:57 AM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

Antibiotics are useless against colds. Colds are viral and antibiotics combat bacterial infections.

Yes, although here it might be useful to differentiate between a cold and bacterial rhinitis:

Cold - usually peak snottiness within 3 days, thereafter snot levels drop off gradually. Usually only mild fever. Mucous tends to watery and clear coloured. Sinuses may clog up and be uncomfortably full but there shouldn't be severe pain.

Bacterial rhinitis - Snottiness gets worse after 3 days, not better. Fever spikes and cold chills. Mucous tends to be thick, and colour generally starts of as light yellow, moves on to dark yellow, then on to green. Often ends up spreading into sinuses, causing painful sinusitis.

Disclaimer: these are my personal rules of thumb based on my clinical experience, 'textbook' info may differ.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(09-03-2014 09:35 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Am I reading this right? You guys are taking 70g of Vit C per dose? I currently have a bad cold, but my own fault. I felt it coming on and drank hard for 3 days instead of resting. That really escalated shit.

Please read the titration page exactly - you take 70.000mg or 70g per 24 hours. I took it in probably 20 doses or more - sometimes every 15 minutes.
http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html

@ Vincent
Bio-availability is high enough - the better version or natural versions have 50-80% more availability and it is not much of a difference, since it costs 10x more. And a way cheaper and way easier option is to make your own sodium ascorbate. You just need pure baking soda and water and some ascorbic acid. That way you get sodium ascorbate which is more neutral. - By the way - the acidity of our stomach acid is 1500% higher than the one of ascorbic acid could ever be and it is not comparable to any normal "acid", since in contrast to for example citric acid - ascorbic acid gets absorbed by all tissues in end.

Bowel tolerance is when you've got a strange diarrhea which is no big deal frankly, because it stops pretty fast afterwards. Even if you take way too much - for example being perfectly healthy, but taking 15.000mg in one dose - some people may get stomach cramps, but it even that is harmless, since it gets absorbed by the body.

Mega-dosing of vitamins for healing is different than supplementing them for daily healthy living. Depending on disease and your state you up the dose - with pneumonia it can go as high up as 200.000mg per day and no bowel tolerance reached - (no diarrhea) at all. The very same person cannot stomach 15g by next week when he is healthy again. That is how the stuff works.

I experimented even with the most basic vitamin c powder used in cattle supplementation. It worked perfectly well.

What did not work was most supplements available over the counter and in apothecaries.

Here a recent great article by a doctor - I highlighted the issues which concerns colds, influenza and other more serious related issues relevant to the topic here. Also note that the number of those doctors are growing around the world - I could find orthomolecular docs in remote places in Thailand. Now there are some differences between them, since everyone of them has to sort of do his own research, so that you find Mercola, Andrew Saul, Dr. Wallach or Dr. Russell Blaylock - all having slightly different approaches. Dr. Mercola being the more natural kind of guy careful with mega-doses, but not dismissing them.

But in effect - testing it out on yourself (when done correctly) is the best way to get a better understanding and be more certain of the effectiveness.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v10n14.shtml

Quote:

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, September 3, 2014

The Clinical Impact of Vitamin C:
My Personal Experiences as a Physician

Commentary by Thomas E. Levy, MD, JD

(OMNS Sept 3, 2014) My ongoing relationship with vitamin C now spans a full 20 years, when I first met Dr. Hal Huggins, a pioneering dentist who opened my eyes to a wide array of clinical approaches to different diseases with hitherto unheard-of clinical results at his clinic in Colorado Springs. I can honestly say that my first visit to his clinic began the most meaningful part of my medical education. Nothing has been the same since. My office where I practiced adult cardiology ended up being shuttered shortly after that first visit. And I have never looked back.

While there are many things I learned from Dr. Huggins, and there were many areas I then ended up exploring because of what he taught me, the single most important thing I learned from him was the incredible ability of vitamin C to improve or heal so many conditions. Without exception, seriously ill patients, often with such diseases as Parkinson's, ALS, Alzheimer's, MS, and atherosclerosis, almost always had extensive dental toxicity in the form of root canal-treated teeth, infected dental implants, mercury amalgams, extensive cavitational osteonecrosis, and/or advanced periodontal disease. Each of these individuals had anywhere from three to five sessions of extensive dental work, typically involving a great deal of dental surgery along with the inevitable exposure to the toxins associated with anaerobic dental infections and the inescapable assimilation of some mercury vapor if amalgams were being removed. However, all of these patients received 50-gram (50,000 mg) infusions of vitamin C administered continuously before, during, and following the dental sessions. In patients with diseases that I had been led to believe could not really be improved upon, dramatic clinical improvement was routinely apparent immediately following the dental sessions.
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Seeing was believing, and I realized the entire way that I approached patient care simply had to change. I needed learn a lot more about the intravenous delivery of this molecule known as ascorbic acid, or ascorbate. I resolved to research this vitamin as completely as possible, learn the nuances of that research as best I could, and then proceed to spread the word on the application of this incredibly potent, inexpensive, and non-toxic substance.

Research

Many of the "leads" that I followed in accumulating the many thousands of abstracts and articles came from the 1972 ground-breaking book by Irwin Stone entitled, The Healing Factor: "Vitamin C" Against Disease. Stone obtained forewords for his book by the renowned Nobel Prize winners, Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, who had discovered vitamin C in 1932, and Linus Pauling, who pretty much put vitamin C into the public eye as nobody else has been able to do.

In order not to miss any significant information published in the medical literature about vitamin C since the publication of Stone's book, I entered the term "ascorbic acid" into the search engine of PubMed, and list of about 24,000 articles appeared. I gave all of these articles careful consideration in documenting the many clinical effects and laboratory effects of vitamin C. What began to emerge as I proceeded to review these thousands of articles was that vitamin C is more important than any other treatment for infection or exposure to toxin. Probably most impressive was the fact that vitamin C in test tube experiments had always neutralized any toxin to which it was exposed, regardless of the chemical structure of the toxin.

The validation and enormous importance of much of this test tube research came from the work of Frederick Klenner, MD in North Carolina. His clinical experience demonstrated how vitamin C was just as effective in the body as in the test tube in neutralizing or negating the toxic impact of whatever toxin the patient was exposed to. Snake venom, heavy metals, pesticides, cyanide, alcohol, carbon monoxide were all neutralized. The results that Dr. Klenner reported with infections were also astounding, as vitamin C, properly administered, proved to be the ultimate virucidal agent, curing all acute viral infections. These viral infections remain incurable by the standard approaches of modern medicine today. Furthermore, Klenner showed that vitamin C was also very effective in the treatment of many non-viral infections, improving the efficacy of treatment by antibiotics and other medications administered today. While I have seen but a fraction of the types of conditions that Dr. Klenner described, I fully believe the accuracy of everything Dr. Klenner published. I have applied vitamin C treatment to many patients with conditions similar to those treated by Dr. Klenner, along with several other conditions that Dr. Klenner did not have the opportunity to treat. With the perspective of this clinical experience, I have little reason to doubt any of the fabulous outcomes that he reported.

What I Have Witnessed

I recall here some of the most dramatic anecdotes about the healing power of vitamin C in the hope of conveying to the reader what an extraordinary addition it can be to the clinical options of any medical doctor. Shortly after the vitamin C book was completed and published, I began a limited clinical practice with a few colleagues. The circumstances were pretty much ideal for me, as I was able to give or prescribe intravenous vitamin C as needed.

Severe Influenza

In 2003 Denver was in the middle of a flu epidemic that infected over 6,000 individuals and ended up killing more than ten children and infants. In this setting, a slender but healthy 26-year-old woman developed a persistent fatigue that continued to progress. After a month of this ongoing fatigue she fell severely ill very quickly, with the classical flu-like symptoms of fever, chills, muscle aches and pains, headaches, and nausea. She tried in vain to deal with her symptoms and still go to school. However, after about a week of these symptoms and trying to maintain a normal level of activity, she only had the energy to stay in bed.

She remained in bed for the next ten weeks. Even her short trips to the bathroom depleted what little energy she had, as the out-of-bed excursions would cause her to feel feverish and would worsen her headaches. When I first saw her, she had lost 20% of her body weight, going from 100 pounds down to about 80 pounds. In response to a plea from her caregiver, I made a house call to her with my office manager/assistant, and we administered her first vitamin C IV there. I found her primarily just emaciated and appearing very malnourished. There was no evidence of liver enlargement or enlarged lymph nodes. Her bloodwork suggested a past Epstein-Barr virus infection, and it was reasoned that this chronic viral infection had just made her all the more susceptible to the epidemic of flu that was working its way through Denver and the rest of Colorado.

Her first IV consisted primarily of 50 grams of vitamin C as sodium ascorbate in 1,000 cc of lactated Ringer's solution infused slowly over a period of about three hours. Six grams of glutathione was added toward the end of the infusion. The next five infusions contained 100 grams of sodium ascorbate, completed by the six grams of glutathione.

The morning after the first IV she was free of headaches for the first time in three months, and she felt much stronger. However, by the second infusion, she was able to walk a bit around the house. By the morning after the third infusion, she was able to walk outside and enjoy a little sunshine. She was able to walk into the clinic for her fourth infusion and subsequent treatments. She felt completely normal the day after the fourth infusion, but two more infusions over two more days were administered to prevent the possibility of relapse. An oral regimen of supplementation was started, and she was discharged from regular care.

Of particular importance in understanding the amount of vitamin C needed to effectively cure this patient's chronic/acute viral syndrome is to note the patient's weight of 80 pounds when first seen. 100 grams of vitamin C in a 80-pound patient is equivalent to 250 grams in a 200-pound patient. Further, the efficacy of the vitamin C was enhanced by the glutathione administration. Our conclusion from many similar cases was that any viral syndrome not resolving with vitamin C was almost always due to inadequate total dose, along with the virus not being readily accessible by the molecules of vitamin C, as in chronic hepatitis. A terminal (not early stage) case of a dangerous virus such as Ebola in a nutrient-depleted body might require even higher doses of vitamin C for clinical resolution, depending upon body size.

H1N1 Influenza

A New Zealand farmer contracted H1N1 influenza in 2009. Well-documented on New Zealand's version of 60 Minutes, this individual had progressed to the point of being on life support, and the doctors had nothing further to offer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrhkoFcOMII or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTXSTGGRvKY

A family member contacted me to ask what to do, and I advised intravenous vitamin C, 50 grams or more daily, immediately. However, I did not think there was any chance that the hospital or doctors would allow such treatment.

After an enormous struggle, the family finally got the doctor in charge to give vitamin C before "pulling the plug." 25 grams of vitamin C was given intravenously the first day, 50 grams the second day, 75 grams the third day, and then 100 grams daily for 4 to 5 more days. At that point a new doctor in charge of the case discontinued the vitamin C completely, for unclear reasons, even though the patient was clearly responding, waking up, and dramatically clearing up the previous "white-out" state seen in chest X-rays of his congested lungs. A full week later, intravenous vitamin C was restarted at a mere one gram twice daily. But for the docs who thought the vitamin C was a foolish intervention, the proof of its efficacy was already at hand.

Pulmonary Embolism

While visiting Colombia, South America, I had the opportunity to see a 30-year-old woman who was bedridden and appearing to be in imminent danger of dying. She had been diagnosed with pulmonary embolism, and both of her legs were tender and swollen, appearing ready to set loose further emboli that would seal her fate. She was already on Coumadin anticoagulation, and her blood tests indicated the thinning of her blood was optimal.

Since I had brought some supplies with me on this trip in order to give a few selected friends (as well as myself) some intravenous vitamin C, I decided to try to help this individual out as best I could. While I was concerned about the vitamin C neutralizing the anticoagulant effects of the Coumadin, I was hoping to relieve her suffering a bit. I proceeded to give her 50 grams of vitamin C over about three hours. She tolerated the infusion well.

The following afternoon I returned to give her another vitamin C infusion. Her improvement was nearly miraculous. She was sitting up in bed and combing her hair, as she had just gotten out of bed and taken a shower on her own.

On the fourth day, following the third infusion, she was smiling and very pleased to report how good her legs were feeling. I was very pleased, but I was also concerned over the possibility of relapse, as I could not continue the IV infusions. She did continue to improve, however, as I left her with several months worth of vitamin C powder, taken at 2,000 mg daily.
...

Final Notes

Vitamin C is truly Nature's gift to health and healing. Virtually all medical conditions are associated with increased oxidative stress, and the relief, or at least partial relief, of this oxidative stress with the vigorous administration of vitamin C and other quality antioxidants, will always help. The oxidative stress caused by disease and environmental toxins can deplete the body's level of vitamin C and other antioxidants. In serious illness, the body's reserve of vitamin C goes to zero because the rate at which the body regenerates it is far lower than the rate of depletion. This can require huge doses to bring it back to normal. Even if you are taking antibiotics or other prescription medicines, bringing your levels of vitamin C in your body back to normal, or temporarily supranormal, will virtually always result in profound benefits.

The treatment is effective and, compared to the expense of conventional treatment, it is inexpensive. Few medicines and therapeutic interventions are more affordable than, and as non-toxic as, vitamin C. Even though something as extraordinarily beneficial as vitamin C might seem too good to be true, that's definitely not the case.

(Thomas E. Levy, MD, JD is a board-certified internist and cardiologist, and author of several books. His website is http://www.PeakEnergy.com .)


Nutritional Medicine is Orthomolecular Medicine

Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight illness.

[coolmike]

Theres a couple ways you can get rid of it, I'll list the ones that works for me

-If your gym has a sauna, Sit in it for about 20-30 minutes at a time. The heat will help you sweat out the toxins.

-Drink lots of fluids, especially Gatorade.

-Drink Some Nyquil before you go to bed.

Do all of this and you should be back to 100% in no time.

[Poker]

A few weeks a go, I came down with a nasty cold. My sinuses were blocked, I was having to blow my nose every 10 minutes or so and I simply felt shit. On the day that the severity of the cold reached its peak, I remembered the statements that Zelcorpion had made regarding Vitamin C, so I took a trip to the pharmacy. The only Vitamin C tablets I could find were in 500mg doses.
I started taking two 500mg tablets every hour and the next day, I felt 80% better. I kept taking the same amount and the cold completely vanished over next 48 hours or so.

Thanks Zel

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(01-18-2018 07:12 AM)Poker Wrote:  

A few weeks a go, I came down with a nasty cold. My sinuses were blocked, I was having to blow my nose every 10 minutes or so and I simply felt shit. On the day that the severity of the cold reached its peak, I remembered the statements that Zelcorpion had made regarding Vitamin C, so I took a trip to the pharmacy. The only Vitamin C tablets I could find were in 500mg doses.
I started taking two 500mg tablets every hour and the next day, I felt 80% better. I kept taking the same amount and the cold completely vanished over next 48 hours or so.

Thanks Zel

Not my achievement. It's science from over 60 years ago. American Dr. Klenner tested it on thousands of his patients in the 1940s-60s and has to date the most encompassing data on it.

Dr. Cathcart another scientist and also medical inventor (he holds multiple orthopedic patents and became a multi-millionaire) expanded on it.
http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html

I have managed to convince almost my entire close family and my closest friends. I could easily convince even RVF doctors - just invite me into your house with some magic vitamin C powder while you are having a cold/flu/pneumonia even.

It's not an heal-all, it just boosts your immune system tremendously that you fight off viruses, infections, bacterial attacks easily. It helps to detoxify, but it is for example almost useless against fungi etc.

It's really sad when our system actively ignores such simple side-effect free treatments which are even far superior to any cold medicine out there. Sad state of affairs and even without the previous excuses of medics where ignorance and superstition reigned. Here they use fake science, monetary and ideological goals to silence better science.

[bobmjilica]

Search up coconut pulling on google. That’s my favorite sinus healing thing to do. Also eat lots of turmeric, and cut out dairy.

[hedonist]

salt water snorts and hot toddy drinks work best for me.

[RatInTheWoods]

A cold is a viral infection, and your body needs to fight the virus internally. Nothing you can take through your mouth will kill the virus.

So rest and a few days will work. Three days getting it, three days having it, and three days getting rid of it is normal.

One thing you can do it treat the symptoms. I use "cold and flu" tablets with make the symptoms go away for 4 hours, if I have to work.