[nguyenimproved]

It's funny, I used to read roosh's blog as a guilty pleasure.
Being asian, some of his aggressive (to my mind) views on getting girls were a bit confronting. Even the title to his book was a bit too upfront for my asian sensibilities.
On the flip side, I couldn't stop myself reading because his totally 'asian' approach to overcoming a problem touched me. I mean, he used a lot of in-field experimentation and had a firm grip on numbers and graphs.
The asian nerd in me was bedazzled and seduced by this dark side of Science and Math.
I mean this is the first guy to approach the whole love-game from a REAL scientific perspective, as opposed to just jazzing up some pop-psychology bullshit with jargon like mystery does.
He manages to break the game down mathematically and empirically yet explains it all in layman's terms so we can all benefit from his analysis. He gives us more practical tools than just telling us to wear pink hats and gawdy trinkets around our necks. Although I'm sure that has it's place as well.
A large part of me is scared of roosh. I mean I've lived such a beta existence I think if we met he would either bitch-slap me or throw up his arms in exasperation and give up. Yet however much a part of me disapproves of his extremely pessimistic views on women, the other part of me has to admit: this stuff ...works. It's been trialled and tested by roosh himself.
For example the rudimentary respect/ sex chart roosh drew up in one of his early blog posts stuck in my head. I didn't like it but at the same time I must resign myself to the fact that it is largely true. It's an intriguing paradox that the more you want the woman and try to respect her, the harder it is to get her.
I may not yet really approve of his whole thing on women but I find myself questioning my own, perhaps flawed, views.
In one post, roosh asked why we should hold women, as a (w)hole, on a pedestal if by our own experiences only a small sample have added anything positive to our lives. It's a good question.
The prose he employs in his posts is genuinely readable whilst still retaining an intellectual edge. The blog has turned out to be quite addictive and now with a bit of polish is turning out to be one of my more visited bookmarks.
As an asian I am still largely a bystander to this pua universe.
Maybe it's a lack of testosterone. I read a study which had a list of testosterone levels by race. Black men on average had the most, then white men. Followed lastly by us asians.
It's definitely holding me back a bit. It's hard for me to get motivated to get off my ass and down to the business of approaching women.
And a simple token 'no' will often be enough to curtail any interaction with me. I have been deathly afraid to do anything that may be construed as rude.
I mean I've seen some guys post videos where they do in-field reports and to me it looks extreme. At the first hint of opposition my natural tendency is to apologise and shuffle off in typical asian-fashion. Yet they shoulder through so much resistance and end up doing well out of it.
I'm not sure I have it in me to do that but I want to.
So after reading a roosh post last night I was determined to change.
It was about thinking of the number 10 and getting to that number every day in approaches. Roosh said something good would happen before you got to ten though so I was optimistic. I decided to give it a go.
Of course I downsized it to a more realistic number of 3 since 10 approaches is more than I've done in ten years so I was sure that wasn't going to happen.
My first approach was as I was riding my scooter along inner saigon and spotted a girl walking in a short skirt. She had really nice legs and ass so I stopped the scooter a bit further ahead of her. I took out my phone to make it look like I had a legit reason to pull over and as she walked past she brushed my arm. Noone walks here so I was going to ask her where she was going. Anyway it ended with her agreeing to hop on for a ride. Which was pretty exciting for a novice for me.
God knows how I managed it since I just stammered and said hop on to everything she countered. Turned out to be pretty weird night but I can honestly say roosh has had a practical effect on my life already.
I doubt I'll ever be a pua artist but if I can get one lay every year or two... roosh will already have doubled my strike rate.
Anyway there was a point to this post and it revolves around testosterone.
Since I'm not about to inject steroids anytime soon, I wonder of there's any other way to motivate the naturally more docile members like me. I'm living in a country where I have no social network at the moment and finding it difficult to gee myself up to slog through approaches solo. There is an active p4p scene and I don't mind that but I've found my most emotionally powerful experiences were with 'normal' pickups.
Shooting fish in a barrel is fun but not very gratifying to the ego and also doesn't really give you the star-trek buzz of going somewhere new.
Or where less than 5,000 cocks have visited.

[hydrogonian]

Out of curiosity and for context, what country are you in?

Also, you may want to think about breaking up your writing into paragraphs. Its hard to read when its in a single block like that.

When I get some time, I'll try to respond some more. You'll have no shortage of good advice from the guys here. Welcome to the board.

[Tommy]

You probably have some kind of an advantage for picking up conservative Asians.

[Moma]

I started reading roosh's stuff because I was put onto him by someone.

When I used to live in London, approaching women was a lot less complicated than Toronto. I used to do A LOT of road game, club game and anywhere game and the success rate was pretty decent.

The thing that differed between London dating and Toronto dating was the level of flakiness.

In London, if I went on a date with a woman, the likelihood of closing either that night or in a following date was high.

Women in London generally don't have time to just date guys to waste time. If they don't like the guy, they will either blow him off on the spot or give him a fake number.

Now in Toronto, getting a valid number from a woman and even going on a date has absolutely NO bearing on whether one will get sex from that woman, in my experience.

Maybe it's the Canadian politeness or whatever you want to call it but a woman will answer the call, send text messages and do everything but commit to sex so I've found it very difficult to assess any sort of pattern and I'm a pattern driven individual.

I've been forced to hone every aspect of my game because the females here are extremely temperamental and one has to act like lightning and always be ready with a place and a hard cock in case she is ready to fcuk.

For instance, I went on a date a few months ago with a settler (a woman that you go for at the end of the club night when you've struck out). She was not all that all but she was good enough to fcuk the shit out of.

She has been flaky since and the last time I called her (a month and a half had passed) she asked who it was and used the famous line 'I lost all the numbers from my phone'.

I thought to myself "I can't believe throwbacks are actually being choosy!

So to follow the Roosh theory, my vietnamese comrade, tighten up your game and keep on pounding out those numbers. Something has gotta give. It's simply gotta..

[Khaleth]

Hey, I used to live with an Asian roommate when I lived in Toronto. He moved to Canada from China when he was was 12, and he used to talk about a lot of the same issues you have right now. I know this sounds pretty stereotypical, but he used to do Aikido to build up testosterone and earn some confidence. Everyone I know that practices martial arts (and is actually good!) has ridiculous confidence. I'm sure gmanifesto and fisto can agree. I think knowing that you can kick someones ass if a situation gets ugly would put you at ease in any uncomfortable situation in life.

If martial arts isn't your thing then maybe you need to get into sports or start lifting weights. I lift weights during the winter months and play soccer during the summer. Seriously, nothing cranks up my testosterone like horribly embarrassing another man with my soccer skills Haha...

Whether it is a testosterone thing or something cultural a lot of the Asian guys I know are usually pretty docile unless they actively choose to address it and improve themselves, but you can say the same thing about every race. Its important to realize in life when you have to be aggressive and when you have to be relaxed... and that goes for every man. Don't let stereotypes influence your thinking and if you are, at least focus on the good stereotypes... Haha Most asian guys I know have awesome jobs, dress well and usually have the rest of their life together. Use that as confidence in your dating life! Props to you for addressing something in your life you were unhappy with and wanting to change. Think of how many people lack the ability to even look at their life objectively and decide to better themselves. That's half the battle.

Anyways, hopefully this didn't come off like some racist rant or something and if it did then feel free to start bashing white Canadians Haha

[nguyenimproved]

(03-15-2011 03:52 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Out of curiosity and for context, what country are you in?

Also, you may want to think about breaking up your writing into paragraphs. Its hard to read when its in a single block like that.

When I get some time, I'll try to respond some more. You'll have no shortage of good advice from the guys here. Welcome to the board.

Hey Hydrogonian

Thanks for response. i appreciate it.

You're right, I do need to break up my writing! I'll keep that in mind in future.

I'm in Vietnam at the moment.

[nguyenimproved]

(03-15-2011 03:52 PM)Tommy Wrote:  

You probably have some kind of an advantage for picking up conservative Asians.

Not really, cos i'm 34 and unemployed. Not sure I'll even have enough money to get back to the western world lol.

Conservative asians might not view that too kindly.

[nguyenimproved]

(03-15-2011 07:47 PM)Khaleth Wrote:  

Hey, I used to live with an Asian roommate when I lived in Toronto. He moved to Canada from China when he was was 12, and he used to talk about a lot of the same issues you have right now. I know this sounds pretty stereotypical, but he used to do Aikido to build up testosterone and earn some confidence. Everyone I know that practices martial arts (and is actually good!) has ridiculous confidence. I'm sure gmanifesto and fisto can agree. I think knowing that you can kick someones ass if a situation gets ugly would put you at ease in any uncomfortable situation in life.

If martial arts isn't your thing then maybe you need to get into sports or start lifting weights. I lift weights during the winter months and play soccer during the summer. Seriously, nothing cranks up my testosterone like horribly embarrassing another man with my soccer skills Haha...

Whether it is a testosterone thing or something cultural a lot of the Asian guys I know are usually pretty docile unless they actively choose to address it and improve themselves, but you can say the same thing about every race. Its important to realize in life when you have to be aggressive and when you have to be relaxed... and that goes for every man. Don't let stereotypes influence your thinking and if you are, at least focus on the good stereotypes... Haha Most asian guys I know have awesome jobs, dress well and usually have the rest of their life together. Use that as confidence in your dating life! Props to you for addressing something in your life you were unhappy with and wanting to change. Think of how many people lack the ability to even look at their life objectively and decide to better themselves. That's half the battle.

Anyways, hopefully this didn't come off like some racist rant or something and if it did then feel free to start bashing white Canadians Haha

Hey Khaleth!

Thanks for the pep talk bro. Your post helped lift my spirits.

No that's definitely not racist lol. And don't worry about racist taunts. That's something that I'm very relaxed about as I've heard it all before anyway.

Your comment about the security you feel when you know you can kick someones's ass makes a lot of sense.
Knowing you're not in physical danger most likely helps with inner-game I suspect which is a key cornerstone for success in this thing. It allows you to exude more confidence in interactions which is obviously going to help.

I find I naturally get this feeling of inner safety and ability to kick chumps' asses when I'm in a group. Or even with a larger friend who looks tough.

Side note: It may be a subconscious thing but I've found myself always on the lookout for large, tall wingmen. Like three of the last guys I've made friends with were because they were large and angry-looking.

This gives me a safety net to get more lively.
I mean I'm in total agreement with roosh's statements about the western world. Whilst on here they are seen as ok, I've said similar stuff in public and gotten a lot of disapproving looks. Let's just say I'm not a blind patriot.

That's more forgivable coming from a caucasian like roosh who is tall and a bit scary looking. But I'm a 57kg short ass asian so people would be a lot more willing to step up to me I gather. Hence, the neanderthal wingman/ bodyguard.

For that reason I've found myself more likely to get lmore spontaneous when I'm with a friendly group just because of the protection factor. (They don't need to be actual friends, just seen by others as friends).

With regard to your comment about martial arts and weight training.
That is good advice.
Yes I used to do that when I was younger.

I got quite ripped but I was pretty clueless about game (still am really, about the implementation rather than theory).
It didn't help me as much as I thought because I approached it the wrong way. I used building up my body as an ends not a means.

Instead of using it as an accessory to enhance game, I concentrated on bulking up as an endpoint.

At the time I was living with two real bona-fide gym junkies. It got to the point where I was really looking like an athlete with our constant gymwork and my natural low levels of fat.

But instead of using it as a platform to springboard from, I relied on it solely in my mind to get girls in bed. Like a friend's friend I heard of who bought a really flashy car and just expected women to jump in with their panties off with no subsequent effort.

Needless to say, it didn't work.

I mean in my head I just fell into all the media stuff about looking good equating to success with girls.

But as roosh once said in his blog there are a lot of good looking guys from college that strike out once they come across someone with knowledge about game.

Apart from getting girls to look and make eye contact and ogle me in the gym I didn't get much benefits. I suppose if I'd used it as a base instead of relying on looks entirely it would have helped.

But I thought if I tanked up to a certain level, no further hard labour would be required.

I mean it worked on tv, right?

Yep, I was a dunce.

I bulked up but still didn't have the heart to do approaches or go out at night. Total wimp, right?

A good thing about what roosh writes about is he keeps drawing parallels between hard grind and results. That's something not many other gurus spout. They want you to believe it's a certain formula or bunch of magic tricks. I guess that helps sell more packaged products than instilling in us that it's 90% about grafting and plodding through the muck.

It's good to know it's not all about talent and innate ability. That if you're willing to put in mileage then good things will come, as roosh preached.

I think I've learned that the hard way.

I pretty much stayed at home everyday and went to clubs about once every three years. Maybe in ten years I did 5 approaches.

My bang history is equally woeful.

There was an Ethiopian guy I met in Denmark who had a photo album of girls he'd been with that he showed me. He mentioned to me he'd slept with over 35 girls.
When he inquired about my total I told him I'd been with ..one girl.

I was 25 at the time.

He went silent and I was a bit embarrassed.

(If he knew about the old axiom that most guys multiply their alleged lays by three, I guess he was thinking I may have been a necrophiliac - having been with one third of a girl).

Not sure she even counted because she was just with me for other benefits.

The only lay I can really claim to is a Danish girl I met while hostelling in Germany.

Much as I was clueless about game and didn't do any approaching I was with three even more clueless guys in this dorm. An English medical student, an Indian IT guy (or that's what he claimed but the dorm was roughly $10 a night, when he said he made over 100k a year) and a fat but funny Mexican.

This girl had mentioned how she lived in a all-female dorm in her country so this was like 'heaven' for her.

Even to my ears, this was like hearing ' I need a man tonight'.

So I touched her knee and thighs a bit under the table and we ended up breaking off from the others.

After some kissing in the streets we ended up back at the hostel having sex. We tried to go up on the roof for privacy but it was closed. Then we dragged a mattress to the shower but it wouldn't fit.
So we ended up just fucking in the hallway.
It was pretty exciting for me because we could have been caught at any minute.
She gave me a blowjob and then I fucked her on the floor. It hurt my knees cos of the rough carpeting and I ended up just blowing my load all over the wall, while silently mouthing apologies to the cleaning lady.

I ended up fucking her the next night as well. When the lights went out she kissed me and whispered she'd sneak over later. We ended up having sex in a room full of strangers. The english med guy even woke up halfway through and sat upright in his bed but I just soldiered on.

I guess this is just a normal occurrence for the pua traveller but being a beta I was thrilled and began making every mistake in the book.

I really doted on her to the extent of making a massive side-trip out of my itinerary later on in Denmark just to fuck her in her small town.

Pretty desperate, right?

The sex was ok but I didn't feel good about rearranging a lot of my plans just to hook up with a girl.

An eight-year drought followed.
Yep, eight years.

It ended this year after I got motivated with some gaming tips from roosh and I think from another website.

Basically saying "don't go too direct with compliments etc."

Trust me, to a newb like me who'd never heard of this pua stuff, it was revolutionary.

I mean, my default approach before was "wow, you are really beautiful". Then nothing. No plan, no lively conversation. Just more compliments.

The girl would be flattered and it'd go nowhere.

Some even thought I was being sarcastic such were my overly eloquent odes to their beauty.

I did and I suppose still do hold girls on this towering pedestal.

But with roosh's help and this forum I hope to make a change, as Michael Jackson said.


Roosh says even an unemployed bum living in a basement with no job and no money can get girls if he's prepared to learn game and do a lot of grinding.

Yes, he exaggerates a wee bit. He may be officially 'unemployed' but I assume roosh makes a mint from passive income with the success of this site. And his speaking style and height give him some leverage.

But I'd still like to put it to the test.

For added difficulty add in being asian, and starting to discover game at 34.

PS. This forum is a lot more helpful than any other forum I've been on. I think partly it's roosh's skills at moderating the site to get rid of antagonistic anti-social elements and partly that roosh attracts a better class of contributor who get and appreciate his insights and intellectual honesty. Anyway I think I've praised roosh enough for a lifetime so I'm getting of his dick, now.

[nguyenimproved]

(03-15-2011 04:01 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I started reading roosh's stuff because I was put onto him by someone.

When I used to live in London, approaching women was a lot less complicated than Toronto. I used to do A LOT of road game, club game and anywhere game and the success rate was pretty decent.

The thing that differed between London dating and Toronto dating was the level of flakiness.

In London, if I went on a date with a woman, the likelihood of closing either that night or in a following date was high.

Women in London generally don't have time to just date guys to waste time. If they don't like the guy, they will either blow him off on the spot or give him a fake number.

Now in Toronto, getting a valid number from a woman and even going on a date has absolutely NO bearing on whether one will get sex from that woman, in my experience.

Maybe it's the Canadian politeness or whatever you want to call it but a woman will answer the call, send text messages and do everything but commit to sex so I've found it very difficult to assess any sort of pattern and I'm a pattern driven individual.

I've been forced to hone every aspect of my game because the females here are extremely temperamental and one has to act like lightning and always be ready with a place and a hard cock in case she is ready to fcuk.

For instance, I went on a date a few months ago with a settler (a woman that you go for at the end of the club night when you've struck out). She was not all that all but she was good enough to fcuk the shit out of.

She has been flaky since and the last time I called her (a month and a half had passed) she asked who it was and used the famous line 'I lost all the numbers from my phone'.

I thought to myself "I can't believe throwbacks are actually being choosy!

So to follow the Roosh theory, my vietnamese comrade, tighten up your game and keep on pounding out those numbers. Something has gotta give. It's simply gotta..

Thanks a lot for your response man.

Yes that sucks when they try to get choosy when they are being done a favour as I see it.

Thanks for your encouraging words Moma, it helps me a lot.

I guess a lot of us asians have very weak inner game.
Personally I'm of the George Mcfly (from Back to the Future) mould.
"I don't think I could deal with that kind of a rejection".

Like I take anything less than total reciprocation from a girl really personally.

Even in finding work my reticence to get rejected hasn't helped in making more 'approaches' (applications).

It's something I definitely need to work on. So roosh's site and forum has been increasingly more helpful.

I mean it used to be a site I'd visit guiltily and chastise myself for but now I can honestly say it's one of the few (maybe only) websites that's actually added anything beneficial to my real world life.

In that respect roosh is more a mentor of life than just getting bangs.

He started out as a pua guru. But now this site has more holistic (yet still "unholy" lol) advice and expertise.

[Screwston]

Just have confidence man. I'm skinny as fuck and could feel sorry for myself because of this and stay home every night blah blah blah. Instead I talk to as many girls as I can and learn from my mistakes like everything else in life.

By the way, I'm very laid back and lots of girls have told me they like this about me. Lots of guys try to hard, just be smooth like some butter. Let your nuts hang and dress/look decent, those are the most important things when dealing with females IMO.

[oldnemesis]

nguyenimproved, from your nickname I'd guess you're a Vietnamese, is that right? Things may be more difficult for you, as pretty much every Vietnamese person I've met grew up in a sexually oppressive conservative (and often religious) environment, so just getting used to Western world is tough for them.

You should definitely read the Bang, as it gives you some basic ideas and knowledge - probably, the most important being "if you do what you always do, you will get what you always get". However be very careful when applying those techniques to your environment. Remember that the Bang was written about Western dating in the Western culture. Roughly one third of it would not be applicable, for example, in Russian culture, and I guess it would be even more in Vietnam.

What I can suggest is to read some Russian pickup books. Can you read Russian, or do you know someone who can (considering the content of the book)? I've met quite a few Russian speakers from Vietnam, but they were mostly oldies. The reason it may be valuable is that Russian culture shares a significant common ground with Asian cultures - much, much more than the Western culture. Therefore it may make sense for you to study Russian pickup sources if your target area is Asia. Unfortunately little to nothing is available in English, hence it is a requirement.

[nguyenimproved]

(03-16-2011 04:42 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

nguyenimproved, from your nickname I'd guess you're a Vietnamese, is that right? Things may be more difficult for you, as pretty much every Vietnamese person I've met grew up in a sexually oppressive conservative (and often religious) environment, so just getting used to Western world is tough for them.

You should definitely read the Bang, as it gives you some basic ideas and knowledge - probably, the most important being "if you do what you always do, you will get what you always get". However be very careful when applying those techniques to your environment. Remember that the Bang was written about Western dating in the Western culture. Roughly one third of it would not be applicable, for example, in Russian culture, and I guess it would be even more in Vietnam.

What I can suggest is to read some Russian pickup books. Can you read Russian, or do you know someone who can (considering the content of the book)? I've met quite a few Russian speakers from Vietnam, but they were mostly oldies. The reason it may be valuable is that Russian culture shares a significant common ground with Asian cultures - much, much more than the Western culture. Therefore it may make sense for you to study Russian pickup sources if your target area is Asia. Unfortunately little to nothing is available in English, hence it is a requirement.

hey Nemesis

Thanks for that.

Good insight by the way. You must have some Vietnamese friends right lol?

I wish I could read/ speak Russian but 'Kak dela' is as far as I can get.

But a hearty "Spasiba!" for the recommendations.

I plan to go back to the West at some point so I will make more use of particular insights there. Is there any key differences in handling the approach game in Russia/ Eastern cultures as opposed to the West in your opinion? Like if you had to take one point from it what would you suggest.

My main problem is inner game I guess. I don't approach at all. I often look for about three green lights to go any further with an interaction because I really dread being rejected. But I'm getting over it (better late than never and all that).

I guess this forum is great even just as a place to report back on stuff. I mean it holds you somewhat accountable for your actions and promises. Hell, it may make even bad experiences tolerable if you get a decent story to share out of it.

[nguyenimproved]

(03-16-2011 04:10 AM)houston Wrote:  

Just have confidence man. I'm skinny as fuck and could feel sorry for myself because of this and stay home every night blah blah blah. Instead I talk to as many girls as I can and learn from my mistakes like everything else in life.

By the way, I'm very laid back and lots of girls have told me they like this about me. Lots of guys try to hard, just be smooth like some butter. Let your nuts hang and dress/look decent, those are the most important things when dealing with females IMO.

"Just have confidence". Yes I wish it were that easy lol.
I don't really feel sorry for myself I guess I was concentrating on the wrong tangents most of my adult life. Like trying to accrue wealth, looks, a good body to attract girls before realising it's not going to work without a healthy dose of understand the fundamentals underpinning the whole process of attraction.

david de angelo and roosh have been the keys to "opening my eyes" - so to speak. (cue the asian jokes)

[Saladin]

Dude, you're gonna have to fix your inner game.

The only way you can do that is by approaching and also working on your game at the same time. You have to expose yourself to rejection continously until it doesn't affect you anymore. You have to build your own identity based on your values and not how people react to you.

Find a wingman in your area who is determined and go out with him. I suggest watching the Blueprint Decoded to help you get a really good look at whats happening. Watching it will really help you.

But finally man, just approach! Make a commitment and force yourself to do it. Its not gonna be easy but after you get past the first few months your inner game will be far stronger.

[oldnemesis]

(03-16-2011 05:19 AM)nguyenimproved Wrote:  

hey Nemesis
Thanks for that.
Good insight by the way. You must have some Vietnamese friends right lol?

I work with Vietnamese colleagues, and had a Vietnamese girlfriend in past, so yeah, I do have some background

Quote:

I wish I could read/ speak Russian but 'Kak dela' is as far as I can get.
But a hearty "Spasiba!" for the recommendations.

If you plan to game in the East, it may make sense to learn more than that. Look on Mixx - his success and his scores come from hard work he puts. You'll likely have more free time than him, and he is learning Russian, no excuse for you

Remember: as long as you gonna do just what you are used to do, you will only get what you are used to get.

Quote:

I plan to go back to the West at some point so I will make more use of particular insights there. Is there any key differences in handling the approach game in Russia/ Eastern cultures as opposed to the West in your opinion?

The approach, game, and progress models are very different. Even between the countries. We had a special thread about gaming in Russia, check it.

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My main problem is inner game I guess. I don't approach at all. I often look for about three green lights to go any further with an interaction because I really dread being rejected. But I'm getting over it (better late than never and all that).

I do it as well now when I'm in US; my motto is presenting myself, and let the girls initiate the contact or even approach. However my rationale is different from yours - I do not fear rejection, I dislike wasting time as American style let-us-know-each-others-better bar talking is a very energy-consuming routine for me which I plain dislike. In your case you seem to fear rejection, which can only be overcomed with being rejected hundreds of times. Think of it like skydiving: you can read thousands of books and talk to thousands of skydivers, but only when you have done 10-20 jumps yourself you'll overcome the fear.

There is NO easy way. If there was, the whole world would be PUA. However it is not, because the majority of people just don't want to put any efforts. Like every success in this life, it comes from the experience, which is the result of constant, tiring, and nerve-consuming practice.

[whosyourdaddy]

Isn't it really easy to meet women in Vietnam?

And also check out http://www.asianplayboy.com He's Viet.

[Roosh]

Welcome abroad, and good moniker.

For a guy in your situation I say shut down the browser, approach 50 women in the next 4 weeks, then come back and tell us how that's going. More action, less thinking.

[oldnemesis]

(03-20-2011 09:00 PM)whosyourdaddy Wrote:  

Isn't it really easy to meet women in Vietnam?

From what I've heard from my Vietnamese friends, it is definitely not that easy comparing to China or Philippines.

[nguyenimproved]

(03-20-2011 09:14 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Welcome abroad, and good moniker.

For a guy in your situation I say shut down the browser, approach 50 women in the next 4 weeks, then come back and tell us how that's going. More action, less thinking.

Holy shit got a reply from the man.
Thanks for that, my liege.

Your advice seems spot on. I really so have an asian tendency to over-intellectualise things. I mean my usual approach MO has been: spot target, devise a line, visualise how it'll turn out, scrap it, go in another direction, etc. More than once have I circled a block for over an hour before finally going in for the actual approach.
At that time she's either left or her friends have arrived or some other guy has gone in for the kill.

So I'm not coming back here til I do 50 approaches. That's an oath.
Not a fan of quoting Californian governors but:
"I'll be back".

So please keep this blog going past 2046, just in case it takes longer than anticipated.

[thegmanifesto]

nguyenimproved -

" I really so have an asian tendency to over-intellectualise things. I mean my usual approach MO has been: spot target, devise a line, visualise how it'll turn out, scrap it, go in another direction, etc."

Here you go, read these:

“Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

“All fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.” - Bruce Lee

“If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.” - Bruce Lee

“To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.” - Bruce Lee

“Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind.” - Bruce Lee

“If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.” - Bruce Lee

Quit making excuses for being Asian. There have been plenty of Asian G's in history.

Now go talk to some girls and report back.

[nguyenimproved]

(03-20-2011 09:00 PM)whosyourdaddy Wrote:  

Isn't it really easy to meet women in Vietnam?

And also check out http://www.asianplayboy.com He's Viet.

yes and no..

at the start every girl i approached wanted to marry me.
from the outside i've been told i look ok.

even when i went to europe and hostelled around i didn't get bad responses from european girls. i mean i fucked one dane (even though roosh says they look like she-hulks, this one wasn't too bad), kiss-closed two french chicks in london (not sure if frogs count cos they are more amorous than your usual euro), fingered a polish dzevka in amsterdam at 1am after 30mins of conversation. i've even kiss-closed a german stewardess in singapore (she invited me back to her 5 star hotel on sentosa island, which was a good change of pace as me and the english guy i was with were staying in a $10 a night dive on the mainland. he abandoned me otherwise might've got a f-close cos her buddy was in the same room i don't think she wanted to look like a ho even though she was attracted). all this was probably after less than 3 hours meeting on average.

unfortunately i don't think i have a social personality. i'm probably one of those asshole personality types that roosh warns against joining this forum (forum social-ability litmus test: if you don't have friends in real life..)

and here you don't meet girls as much as family units. people here aren't people. they're not individuals but mere units of an extended family. there's an extreme case of 'groupthink' in vietnam which has it's major pluses (helps social cohesion, eg. less aggro on the roads, lower rates of homicide etc) but also means people aren't likely to go out on a limb with opinions that aren't in accordance with those of their family members or close friends.

anyway the two girls i met introduced me to their families and for whatever reason it didn't work out cos their families didn't like me.
one was cos i told her off for drinking alcohol in front of her people. apparently they told her: "you're not even married and he's already treating you like this, imagine how bad he'll be when you do get together".

it's made me lazy to meet more girls cos i kinda picture the same endgame once i meet their families. since i'm an unemployed bum at the moment as well with no income also takes away from my longterm-partner appeal.

there's not really the same ONS culture here.
but after being inspired and polished up by some of roosh's tips i did get my first ONS here. she was a waitress at a cafe, 46kgs of lean. i made a slight neg about her being fat. and then some comments about it never working out between us because of such and such. also ignored her a lot before getting her number - which was all ground breaking stuff to me that i'd picked up off this website and one roosh recommended called david de angelo. (that guy's also good but what i've gathered from him has plateaued a bit cos he pushes his product too much in his newsletters these days. his free e-book is a great primer for the novice though so I found it invaluable. he's good at explaining the psychology of what constitutes game in layman's terms. and gives you license to stop being a 'wuss' as he puts it as he shatters chump beliefs that putting out a 'nice' image will make girls like you. that was eye-opening)
before that i'd normally just compliment the shit out of any girl i was interested in. which only served to decrease all tension and ensure the conversation would grind to a standstill. occasionally it'd work if she was into me cos of looks/ vibe/ humour/ whatever but i recognised such behaviour in the past never amped UP the attraction. it'd either leave it as it was or decrease it. i never really thought about alternatives, dunno why. but even if i take ONE thing out of what i've read so far from you guys it's: DO NOT COMPLIMENT GIRLS.

anyway this time with the new strategy, my girl ended up doing all the work in 'seducing' me. not sure i could repeat it though cos it was the result of going out with a few friends to a late night cafe. they gave me the reason or social proof or whatever.
i'm not certain it would work out so good going by myself to this type of establishment and reading my copy of "A Charlie Brown Christmas" in the corner.

[nguyenimproved]

(03-22-2011 01:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

nguyenimproved -

" I really so have an asian tendency to over-intellectualise things. I mean my usual approach MO has been: spot target, devise a line, visualise how it'll turn out, scrap it, go in another direction, etc."

Here you go, read these:

“Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup, you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle, you put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” - Bruce Lee

“All fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.” - Bruce Lee

“If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.” - Bruce Lee

“To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.” - Bruce Lee

“Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind.” - Bruce Lee

“If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.” - Bruce Lee

Quit making excuses for being Asian. There have been plenty of Asian G's in history.

Now go talk to some girls and report back.

thanks G and guys. you have all been really helpful.
i will take all that on board.
and i won't show my face til i get to 50 approaches and report back.

or you can call me Grasshopper.

[Giovonny]

Here in California, Asian guys are pulling cute white, black, and latina girls. I work in high schools and colleges and I see it all the time. It is something that I've noticed in the last 4-5 years. Asian guys are starting to get their game together (hair, clothes, style, etc.)

I think, in parts of South America and the Caribbean, Asian guys are seen as exotic and have high "value".

If you think of yourself are a "un-cool", you have an Inner Game issue. You put those limits and labels on yourself.

Follow G's example and start studying Bruce. Bruce was pulling cute white girls 40 years ago!!!

[speakeasy]

(03-22-2011 04:12 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Here in California, Asian guys are pulling cute white, black, and latina girls. I work in high schools and colleges and I see it all the time. It is something that I've noticed in the last 4-5 years. Asian guys are starting to get their game together (hair, clothes, style, etc.)

I too have seen a notable increase in the amount of Asian guys dating non-Asian chics in the last 5 years. So many young Asian chics date white guys that they really have no choice but to learn to game other types of women or end up as permanently celibate.