[Que enspastic]

(08-21-2014 07:25 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 07:12 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

No one in Melbourne would blink an eye if you told them you were going to Poland or Nicaragua or Estonia, etc. It would be seen as completely normal. The more obscure, the better.

True that. A lot of young people lately brag about visiting Eastern Europe (or more correctly, the Slavic countries in Central Europe) to imply superiority over the Contiki crowd. No doubt Melbournian's over the top obsession with Berlin next door has something to do with it. Neukölln even has a cafe called Melbourne Canteen now...

@tonipepperoni I don't see the point in your last post, Rush87 doesn't disagree with what you're saying. It seems now like you're just trying to brag about how well-traveled you are.

@Deluge : I"m in Neukölln now, about to head over to Melbourne Canteen to see if it"s any good.

@tonipepperoni : I"m staying in a one bedroom apartment by Oranienburger Tor, Mitte. Which Berlin clubs are worth a visit and how do I get past the doorman?

[Joeno]

As an Asian Australian, even the Asian-Australian guys here (born / grew up) are ultra aggressive. I get these Asian body-builder types up my face in bars because they want to be "top dog"

[tonipepperoni]

(08-21-2014 07:44 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 07:25 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 07:12 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

No one in Melbourne would blink an eye if you told them you were going to Poland or Nicaragua or Estonia, etc. It would be seen as completely normal. The more obscure, the better.

True that. A lot of young people lately brag about visiting Eastern Europe (or more correctly, the Slavic countries in Central Europe) to imply superiority over the Contiki crowd. No doubt Melbournian's over the top obsession with Berlin next door has something to do with it. Neukölln even has a cafe called Melbourne Canteen now...

@tonipepperoni I don't see the point in your last post, Rush87 doesn't disagree with what you're saying. It seems now like you're just trying to brag about how well-traveled you are.

@Deluge : I"m in Neukölln now, about to head over to Melbourne Canteen to see if it"s any good.

@tonipepperoni : I"m staying in a one bedroom apartment by Oranienburger Tor, Mitte. Which Berlin clubs are worth a visit and how do I get past the doorman?

It depends mate.

Berlin despite having a 'start at 2am end at 7am' culture is a 2-3 hr 'early bird get the worm' at 11pm.

So from 11pm to 2am you have a chance to pull or you won't. Period.

Get this:
https://www.facebook.com/ClubpassApp?fref=ts

Felix is usually filled with euro chodes who take themselves too seriously and most younger Berliner girls go there.

Dress well (Blazer, collared shirt, dress shoes) and you will get in through the door without too much hassle @ 11pm.

I also like Tubestation and Asphalt.


These 3 clubs despite being generic (not underground) is where you're most likely to find Berliners. You will not find a nice Berlin girl in Friedrichshain.

They're mostly in Mitte.

[Deluge]

(08-21-2014 07:44 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 07:25 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 07:12 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

No one in Melbourne would blink an eye if you told them you were going to Poland or Nicaragua or Estonia, etc. It would be seen as completely normal. The more obscure, the better.

True that. A lot of young people lately brag about visiting Eastern Europe (or more correctly, the Slavic countries in Central Europe) to imply superiority over the Contiki crowd. No doubt Melbournian's over the top obsession with Berlin next door has something to do with it. Neukölln even has a cafe called Melbourne Canteen now...

@tonipepperoni I don't see the point in your last post, Rush87 doesn't disagree with what you're saying. It seems now like you're just trying to brag about how well-traveled you are.

@Deluge : I"m in Neukölln now, about to head over to Melbourne Canteen to see if it"s any good.

Trust the Melbournian to be in Berlin

(08-21-2014 07:44 AM)Joeno Wrote:  

As an Asian Australian, even the Asian-Australian guys here (born / grew up) are ultra aggressive. I get these Asian body-builder types up my face in bars because they want to be "top dog"

I stand by my earlier comments that Aussie guys approach more at night then other Western guys, but most Asian guys aren't "ultra aggressive" and most Anglo or Wog guys aren't either for that matter. Obviously the jacked, tattooed or wannabe gangster type Asians will be more aggressive and also approach more, they have a monopoly on most of the dime piece Asian-Australian pussy too. Maybe they like to AMOG you more because you're also Asian. I can't think of a single time a random Asian dude has ever gotten aggressive with me. My gym is filled with the Asian-Australian bodybuilder types and most are pretty chill dudes, never had any issues.

[tonipepperoni]

(08-21-2014 07:28 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

I've spent the better part of my 20's overseas. While there are perks to having a larger portion of female 6's to 8's that are feminine they aren't my main priority. For many however this ranks at number 1.

Standard of living in Australia is for myself personally, superior to Europe. Our women aren't in the same ball park, but I'm also no longer 18. In this regard, whilst the availability of feminine female 8's is sparse - My lifestyle, social circle & background gives me access to this niche market.

While this may not be ideal for the man looking for bulk access to feminine women in all locations, I'm content with a smaller market.

Rush87, places like Stockholm raise opulence and quality of life to a level beyond any city in Australia. The people you will meet there, the lifestyle opportunities and the overall sophistication is not comparable.

The 9/10 in Australia is not the 9/10 in Stockholm. There is a sizeable difference. It's not just the raw physical beauty, its the mannerisms, it's the walk, the softness in voice. In Eastern Europe you will find women with looks and intelligence to match.
9s who are well-read on Nietszche.

Good luck in finding that in social circles, background etc.

[JWLZG]

I'll concede you have a point there Tonypepperoni but I think you're still being rather harsh on Aussie guys' travel habits.

The amount of under-30 Australians on working holidays and gap years is overwhelming proportionate to our Anglosphere counterparts. Have you noticed how prevalent the accent is behind the bar at pubs in Edinburgh or London? Bad examples I know but they're to be found all over Europe and South America. Then you have the exchange students and young professionals.

My point is that even if we stick to other travellers/fellow Aussies, proportionately, there will be, statistically speaking, those that try to immerse themselves among the locals, whether via Couchsurfing or friends of theirs.

(08-21-2014 07:32 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  

St Petersburg and Stockholm are unusual locations for an Australian.

One of the Americans I got friendly with in Buenos Aires commented that "you can hardly find a hostel in the world that doesn't have an Aussie in it at any one time." Even somewhere like Budapest is mainstream these days, I agree with what Deluge said about our travel one-upmanship tendencies.

You don't need to go on about the "tribal bogan Aussie backpacker" trope. I think a lot of us can relate too well to the feeling of bumping into our own after settling into our Berlin hostel and to hearing them raving about tearing up Kreuzberg tonight, and oh we're off to Prague to get shitfaced at Charles Bath, hey were you at Pamplona next week? Blah blah blah.

But then again, from my Paris perspective, there were a few of us who broke away, did our own thing and attempted to appreciate the city, approach chicks at Le Marais and Montmatre, not just do the pub crawl rounds with the Erasmus kids. And I lived there for a couple of months btw, not 4 piddly fuzzy days as part of a Contiki.

Sure, for the most part, I also stuck within the traveller bubble the rest of Europe, but I know better now. I missed out on a chance to live in Berlin in 2010 but that's a plan B for after graduation so I'm keen to find out what you're on about.

(08-21-2014 07:32 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  

Do you know what kind of cum-downs an Australian male will experience if he actually met a beautiful girl in stureplan and went home with her and had a flight scheduled to go back to Melbourne the next day? I have. It was depressing.

That sort of 'redpill' experience or anguish will not be experienced by your typical Australian male because A) They do not know how to get on the guestlist in stureplan B) They wont go out to stureplan, most likely follow hostel mates to some shitty bar in gamla or the hipster isle. C) And suppose they did, they will probably be terrified by the raw talent and male to female ratio that he will be too spoiled for choice and completely freeze in the moment or become so 'high' in the euphoria of validation that he will never succomb to actual sex. D) Stockholm is an unusual choice for Strayan's.

At most the typical aussie male will go to sweden and think 'Nice blonde birds, people seem a bit uptight, cold, same prices as 'straya, nice landscape' and then be done with it. The experience never ever results in a heightened sense of awareness or dissonance towards Australia.

Your Sweden hypothesis really flips the script on Aussie guys. I've heard a number of blokes rave about "fit Scandi and Slavic" birds and how's they're going to do Russia and get laid, I wonder what it's actually like for them on the ground.


I feel I can draw a causal link between that "sheltered traveller bubble" and the whole 'false-optimism' idea. We know that there's real quality in the big wide world. We know East Asian and Scandinavian chicks completely destroy our own. Working at a hostel back home over summer is enough to give a taster of that. So why would we, irrespective of the ridiculous travel opportunities at our disposal, regardless of our increased value overseas, be content with our lot, or with fellow Anglo chicks in the Greek Islands? There must be some idea to it, that of the lucky country and the bronzed bloke and chick.

[tonipepperoni]

I'm not saying Australians don't travel. They do, they all do.

It's just many can't contextualise their universal social value. And many can't recognise that their own women are the most masculine in the developed world -- this is a fair statement, an Australian guy in the states is Money$$ but bring an American guy to Australia and he'll get thrown to the wolves.

My point is when you are touring in the way Australians mostly do, Europe is filtered in a specific way such that it never really is a mindfuck that it ought to be.

[JWLZG]

(08-21-2014 07:44 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

@tonipepperoni : I"m staying in a one bedroom apartment by Oranienburger Tor, Mitte. Which Berlin clubs are worth a visit and how do I get past the doorman?

Berghain.

[tonipepperoni]

(08-21-2014 08:11 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 07:44 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

@tonipepperoni : I"m staying in a one bedroom apartment by Oranienburger Tor, Mitte. Which Berlin clubs are worth a visit and how do I get past the doorman?

Berghain.

Why on earth would you send him to Berghain? People don't realise but it's mainly a gay club. A gay club with good music but open homosexual fuckfests at 6am. I hope people realise this.

And most of the women there are tourists.

If you want to meet Berlin women do not go to underground nightclubs.

[JWLZG]

(08-21-2014 08:19 AM)tonipepperoni Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 08:11 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 07:44 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

@tonipepperoni : I"m staying in a one bedroom apartment by Oranienburger Tor, Mitte. Which Berlin clubs are worth a visit and how do I get past the doorman?

Berghain.

Why on earth would you send him to Berghain? People don't realise but it's mainly a gay club. A gay club with good music but open homosexual fuckfests at 6am. I hope people realise this.

And most of the women there are tourists.

If you want to meet Berlin women do not go to underground nightclubs.

There you go. Next time I'm there I'll actually have to seek on the ground advice, not the crap you get told about in Lonely Planet/other travellers.

[Biologist]

@ tonipepperoni: I think I see now what you're saying. I think this can be explained by the fact that the vast majority of Australian guys are very Blue Pill. Most Australian guys are brainwashed into the thinking that Australia is the best country in the world, Australian women are the hottest and that going overseas to meet women is only for guys who are desperate or losers who cannot get laid. When they see an abundance of hot women in an overseas country, their cognitive dissonance forces them to ignore the fact that Australian women get annihilated by the women in Europe and Asia.

[Que enspastic]

(08-21-2014 08:35 AM)Biologist Wrote:  

@ tonipepperoni: I think I see now what you're saying. I think this can be explained by the fact that the vast majority of Australian guys are very Blue Pill. Most Australian guys are brainwashed into the thinking that Australia is the best country in the world, Australian women are the hottest and that going overseas to meet women is only for guys who are desperate or losers who cannot get laid. When they see an abundance of hot women in an overseas country, their cognitive dissonance forces them to ignore the fact that Australian women get annihilated by the women in Europe and Asia.

Most people make the mistake of seeing things from a national perspective rather than individualistic.

From a national view point, Australia is perhaps the best place for 'the average person'. No offence to UK dudes here but quality of living in Australia is drastically higher for the average person than in the UK on almost every level. It's hard to appreciate by just how much until living in both countries. US is definitely not on par, and perhaps only Scandinavia, Canada and NZ are on the same / similar level. Germany had no minimum wage until recently.

I actually used to play it down when I'd read stories in the paper that Australia was doing well. Used to think it was Murdoch propaganda. But when you travel you realise most of the world's population is fucked, even in first world countries, and their chance of reciprocating a visit to Australia is slim.

Australia has had 23 years of continued economic growth (I'm anxious this could change soon), a strong egalitarian ethos and offers a wealth of opportunity that most other countries cannot offer their average citizen. This is just a fact.

Realistically however, life is played and won at an individual (also family) level. Thailand may not be too good for the average guy living there but for an Australian living in Bangkok on a decent wage it will be incredible, same with Berlin, all of Eastern Europe, the States, and South America.

If we think about ourselves for a moment life is far better growing up in Australia and moving out sometime in our 20s. Upskill and get out. Staying put is a waste of opportunity and hugely offensive to the gods of pick up

In other countries you will be a standout, a very attractive man with a standard of living that is elite. When you're at the top life is very good, it's just there's no real top in Australia just a massive middle class with a fairly good lifestyle by international standards, tempered only by an absence of hot feminine chicks.

[DaveR]

Tony, I don't think you will achieve much by lecturing Australian men on the lack quality of their women. To be honest, I'm not convinced that they are a particularly bad match for Australian men. In my (limited) experience of Australians, they:
- seem quite aggressive, particularly when drinking
- have little respect for formal language, traditions, etiquette and the class system. They call this characteristic "easy going"
- are generally unaware of dress standards and trends.
- tend to be obsessed with sport
- show little interest in the arts, literature, fine dining, etc.

For those of us who are from more traditional societies, Australian women are hideous creatures. For Australian men, on the other hand, many of the characteristics related to their personalities may not be considered important or even desirable. Their women still lack in appearance, but that is something that can be addressed by improving one's game.

[Travesty]

TonyP needs to write an RoK article on this.

And I just looked up the population of Aus.

22 million? The greater L.A. area has almost that many are you kidding me.

The Aussie guys need to post up abroad for exponentially better options.

[tiggaling]

Aussie guys who post on here generally know in terms of women, that the grass is DEFINITELY greener!

However, in terms of lifestyle, and quality of life, Australia is hard to beat. The economy is good and there are so many opportunities if you pull your head out. There are also some very excellent people around the place, from all over the world.

Australia is a new world country and so I think many people I know stay because there are opportunities to make of it what they want. This is going to be harder in the old world, in countries like Sweden.

Certainly, Sweden does have Stureplan, and its stunning, very well dressed ladies. But you can have all the opulence you want, when 10 months of the year the weather is as grey and dark as it is! (the food aint that great either!) I can't think of anyone I know who has thought that Scandinavia was a better option than Australia for the long term. spalex in Norway doesn't seem to happy that is for sure!

tonipepperoni is spot on in many regards though and many men do not know any better, they honestly think all women are the same and are at the level where they think they don't need much more than a hole.

DaveR, have you ever been to Australia? Not all Australian men are as you picture them.

I'd say it is the same in all anglo countries, that the men punch really above their weight, in terms of character and looks.

[Que enspastic]

Yeah DaveR Australia is defined mostly by socio-economic class with the biggest split in behaviour and values between university educated and trades educated.

Speaking only for Melbourne (may be true for Sydney too) it's apparent that hipster / jock hybrid culture is the defining theme for many men in their 20s. It's not enough to earn the same wage as anyone else, that makes you a mediocrity.

There's a very large subset of Melburnians that take style, travel and music very seriously often combined with gym or sport. Everyone is hitting niche game.

This is less noticeable with men overseas.

The end result is Melburnian transplants in other cities setting up cafes and bars they would otherwise have back home, with a strong interest in the music scene. This appeals a lot to many girls who want a guy that has a strong assertive take on what is cool, without being a hipster transexual eunuch tortoise.

[DaveR]

(08-21-2014 01:24 PM)tiggaling Wrote:  

DaveR, have you ever been to Australia? Not all Australian men are as you picture them.

I'd say it is the same in all anglo countries, that the men punch really above their weight, in terms of character and looks.

Yes, and I have a brother who lives there. I would say that even those who consider themselves 'cultured' are quite rough by European standards. Much of it comes from monolingualism and isolation from the rest of the world (in terms of timezones, seasons, and distance).

I suspect those who migrate to Australia for economic reasons are from low-middle income backgrounds to begin with, because the tax structure for individuals above the 100k Euro per annum mark, and for corporations, is certainly not attractive when compared to the US, various Asian growth markets, Eastern Europe, etc.

[tonipepperoni]

Australians in many ways live in a filtered universe where capitalism and ideology run 24/7 in some hyper-real Truman experience.

Instead of intimacy, fantasy and femininity... reality is replaced with clean streets, nature, some progressive architecture, commissioned art work in the city centre and 200 dollar shirts at Roger David.

Every Australian guy I've met always downplays European life as some economically broken, cold, mopy place where it's difficult to attain similar quality of life to what is handed in Australia.

It sound's like Cypher's speech in the Matrix.

Apparently, every second Australian guy who praises Australian women and lifestyle, hangs in exclusive cliques, is of a specific background and knows the right people to dominate the game. But I know this is fictionalized because Game is a zero sum, and almost 1/3rd of Single Australian males have such a fascination of living a GQ lifestyle of being a trendy gentleman who is swashbuckling his way into the IVY. Inevitably it's sad, because the cocky aloofness always translates them going home alone and wasting their precious mining salary on clothes and supplements just to impress women.

It's sad because most Australian guys think they have an impression of Europe, but they're only at the cusps of the rabbit hole. They think they know German girls based on the backpacker population in their local hostel bar. They think they know what Euro girls look like after a trip to Rome. Apparently foreign girls like them because of the accent.

It's sad as it is pathetic to witness a grown male who lifts 5 days a week, only to succumb to a German backpacker, who is 5 kebabs deep and sporting a body that resembles a penguin, after frolicking around the Whitsundays to the Goldcoast, having sex with surfers. The level of hedonism that she experiences exceeds that of what an Italian male would have experienced in Riga circa 2006.

4 Billion years of evolution. 200,000 years of homosapiens, 10,000 years of agriculture and complex civilisations and what have we succumbed to? We've gone from being hunter gatherers to being males who need 'creature comforts' and 'quality of life' to be happy.

What really is 'quality of life'? I mean...sure. If you want a career in Australia a cushioned reality via Mining Dollars, you will be sure to get a 100k pay check, a nice inner city residence, enough money to ensure you're knitted out, and enough side-monies for 4 weeks worth of holiday.

It's a spoiled brat reality.

I personally do not need the location to give me money and I don't rely on a country's economic performance to ensure my lifestyle is enhanced.

At the end of the day most Australian men justify their reality by specifically targeting the alternatives: fob asian girls, exchange students, backpackers...while waiting for the right girl: A 23 year old by the name of Stacy, who doesn't go on the turps every weekend, and prefers to do Bikram Yoga.

[Rush87]

Toni, I've actually been highly critical of Australian women & rated the market poorly on my own data sheet for Sydney.

I would strongly disagree however that a city such as Stockholm raises opulence to levels over & above that which can be attained in a nation such as Australia.

Whilst I don't believe in expatriation elitism I guess I can share my background. Through to a high school level I grew up in the country. I moved to a private all male boarding school in Sydney's North Shore (Which is a bubble very differant to anything you will find in Sydney).

Upon graduation I spent a semester at Baylor University before returning to Sydney University (Home to some of the most beautifully feminine females you could meet) for the next two years. I finished my degree (Cinema) at NYU (Age 21) and discovered the harsh nature of the industry.

Wanting to write/create independant features as a career I looked to high paying low skilled jobs for revenue (Anyone who has studied film knows how limiting it can be).

In this regard, through a family friend I managed to secure a job rigging off the coast of Norway. I actually spent the next two years on and off based in Stockholm & whilst cost of living was extreme housing was more affordable than Sydney.

These two years afforded me the financial opportunity to travel for afew years un burdened. Through my time boarding in Sydney, my best friend was actually Ukranian. I was based with him in Kiev for the ensuing 2 years.

Since this time & without going into too much detail I've managed to create a lifestyle which isn't nation dependant. Now whilst I will 100%
emphatically agree with the rotten nature of Australian women & a general low standard - There is a highly educated, well travelled bracked which incudes women comparable to the most feminine European women I have had the luxury of meeting .

[tonipepperoni]

(08-21-2014 09:02 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

Toni, I've actually been highly critical of Australian women & rated the market poorly on my own data sheet for Sydney.

I would strongly disagree however that a city such as Stockholm raises opulence to levels over & above that which can be attained in a nation such as Australia.

Whilst I don't believe in expatriation elitism I guess I can share my background. Through to a high school level I grew up in the country. I moved to a private all male boarding school in Sydney's North Shore (Which is a bubble very differant to anything you will find in Sydney).

Upon graduation I spent a semester at Baylor University before returning to Sydney University (Home to some of the most beautifully feminine females you could meet) for the next two years. I finished my degree (Cinema) at NYU (Age 21) and discovered the harsh nature of the industry.

Wanting to write/create independant features as a career I looked to high paying low skilled jobs for revenue (Anyone who has studied film knows how limiting it can be).

In this regard, through a family friend I managed to secure a job rigging off the coast of Norway. I actually spent the next two years on and off based in Stockholm & whilst cost of living was extreme housing was more affordable than Sydney.

These two years afforded me the financial opportunity to travel for afew years un burden. Through my time boarding in Sydney, my best friend was actually Ukranian. I was based with him in Kiev for the ensuing 2 years.

Since this time & without going into too much detail I've managed to create a lifestyle which isn't nation dependant. Now whilst I will 100% emphatically agree with the rotten nature of Australian women & a general low standard - There is a highly educated, well travelled bracked which incudes women comoarable to the most feminine European women I have had the luxury of meeting .

So how many times have you been to V in Sturecompagniet / Opera / Rose?

If you've spent 2 years in Kiev and you returned to Australia and somehow have the imagination to think that there is an exclusive set of women who represent the same level of intelligence, femininity and aesthetics as Ukranian women.. well I don't know what to say to you. I could probably dismiss this as being socially ignorant, inept or you're the owner of the IVY.

In which case let's presume you're the owner of the IVY. A friend of mine E, owns probably the IVY Equivalent in Brisbane. I have a pretty good idea on the sort of girls he has the privilege of meeting. While some of them, after spending 1000 dollars on fake hair extensions and shopping at david jones can sport looks which are comparable to that of a 22 year old Ukranian (lol), they simply do not have the same pedigree to compete with them on femininity and intelligence.
Most girls, if they were that beautiful, would most likely have 100k followers on instagram, have VIP bottle service for free, get approached 3 times while walking down king street, and have their egos inflated at every turn.

What really causes a woman to be feminine at the end of the day is a mixture between naivety and a lack of social value or the ignorance of social value.

And lol @ opulence levels in Australia being better than Europe?
What kind of people did I meet in red carpet and vip roped off areas in Australia? Kelly the 23 year old makeup artist who studies in Tafe.

[DaveR]

I'm surprised that the names of countries like Germany, Sweden and Ukraine are being thrown around as if they are some kind of benchmark. There are other places in Europe which blow those away... Lithuania, Russia (particularly the North-West district and Eastern Siberia), the upper class girls in France and Northern Italy... the Czechs for sex appeal.

[tonipepperoni]

So how many girls in Australia have the same looks as a Ukranian 9?

Like 0.01%?

And how many are as well read as Ukranian women? How many can recount the works of a famous composer? Or have a good understanding of history? How many speak with a soft voice, have dialated pupils when you talk to them, have palms which face inwards to indicate a surrender, and tender serene gestures to that of a feline?

0.000001%?

So you have access to 0.000001%. Congrats you just won the lottery.

[StrikeBack]

Are we arguing about how much Aussie girls suck and how much Aussie guys don't know how much Aussie girls truly suck?

I'm confused.

[rudebwoy]

Tonipepperoni - no mas bro, you have won the fight. You are killing me with the bombs you have been dropping.
Stureplan was like Disneyworld for me, I also hated the fact that I had to leave.
My Czech ex was quoting Nietzsche and some other shit, a few times I had to google search while talking to her on skype.
The beauty, innocence and intelligence of EE/FSU cannot be matched.
What you say about Aussie culture is the ditto for Canadian culture, although Aussie guys act more macho.
I gave you +1.

[RawGod]

Northern beaches girls: tall, blonde helped by the hairdresser, tan on the way to giving them wrinkles by 25, hot body but the start of a paunch. "Sophistication" means talking referring to glasses of wine in the plural as "wines" i.e. "I only had 3 wines last night". Well-travelled, been to Europe and Bali. Has been plowed by one or more famous footballers. Lives on daddy's money. Mentioning any famous writer, composer or thinker from western history to her is the kiss of death.

That's the top tier girl in Australia.