[Old Fritz]

Many people believe that feminism will completely implode and fall downhill at some point. I say it's already going downhill and that it is just a matter of time. Especially after reading about what has already happened or what is currently happening within society.

People have noted the importance of displaying a backbone and fighting against injustice (think about the many laws that are stacked against men such as paternity, domestic violence, college campuses, etc) when they happen against you. This is important but I don't think we are going to see too many men directly fight against women. Obviously if this were to happen things would change/collapse much faster. I'm reminded of reading "Men on Strike" and reading an excerpt from someone who said she's glad this hasn't happened.

Anyways, I think more and more men will continue to drop out and lose faith within the system like the book says. Society as a whole will become even more apathetic.

I see women fighting against each other to be honest. Feminist claiming they are MRA's or anti feminist women fighting against feminist women. Heck, even some women who claim to be feminist are starting to go against other feminist. All are signs of what is coming. We already have female celebrities and so called role models who don't dabble in it

I'm thinking the 2020's when it all will happen. That will be a very interesting decade. What about you guys?

[speakeasy]

What do you mean by feminism imploding? Do you mean women leaving the workforce and going back to traditional roles such as homemaker and caretaker? Marrying early and having kids instead of going to college? Proclaiming the importance of men in their lives? I don't see that happening. The cat's out of the bag. That would be like gays voluntarily going back in the closet once they've already gotten used to public flamboyance.

[Old Fritz]

(08-09-2014 07:12 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What do you mean by feminism imploding? Do you mean women leaving the workforce and going back to traditional roles such as homemaker and caretaker? Marrying early and having kids instead of going to college? Proclaiming the importance of men in their lives? I don't see that happening. The cat's out of the bag. That would be like gays voluntarily going back in the closet once they've already gotten used to public flamboyance.

I mean when feminism starts losing a chunk of their influence.

[infowarrior1]

(08-09-2014 07:12 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What do you mean by feminism imploding? Do you mean women leaving the workforce and going back to traditional roles such as homemaker and caretaker? Marrying early and having kids instead of going to college? Proclaiming the importance of men in their lives? I don't see that happening. The cat's out of the bag. That would be like gays voluntarily going back in the closet once they've already gotten used to public flamboyance.

As long as they do not infect new generations with their ideology their behaviors will die with them.

[Enjoythedecline]

(08-09-2014 07:45 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 07:12 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What do you mean by feminism imploding? Do you mean women leaving the workforce and going back to traditional roles such as homemaker and caretaker? Marrying early and having kids instead of going to college? Proclaiming the importance of men in their lives? I don't see that happening. The cat's out of the bag. That would be like gays voluntarily going back in the closet once they've already gotten used to public flamboyance.

As long as they do not infect new generations with their ideology their behaviors will die with them.

Forget it. Younger generation of women seems sluttier than their predecessor.

[Onto]

What I see currently happening is men abandoning marriage and just banging girls for the fun of it until they get one pregnant and then their life is in fiancial servitude to that girl for the next 18-21 years.

Decades ago the smarter guys imported the women here, then American women got wise to it and enacted laws that allowed a new foreign bride to "falsely" claim domestic violence and get the green card automatically. Once the horror stories spread, I'm guessing that shut down a lot of importing.

Now, the smarter guys will move abroad, but the US has been making that hard too with failure to pay child support being a felony, paying taxes no matter where you live, mandatory health care insurance, FATCA, International Child Support to allow foreign women access to US family courts, and who knows what else.

The US may eventually restrict men to a certain amount of traveling abroad per year, without giving up their passport. Maybe they will ban expatriating altogether.

I think America has a lot further to fall before it bottoms out.

[Old Fritz]

(08-09-2014 08:50 PM)Enjoythedecline Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 07:45 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 07:12 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What do you mean by feminism imploding? Do you mean women leaving the workforce and going back to traditional roles such as homemaker and caretaker? Marrying early and having kids instead of going to college? Proclaiming the importance of men in their lives? I don't see that happening. The cat's out of the bag. That would be like gays voluntarily going back in the closet once they've already gotten used to public flamboyance.

As long as they do not infect new generations with their ideology their behaviors will die with them.

Forget it. Younger generation of women seems sluttier than their predecessor.

I say they are sluttier.

[Captain Gh]

(08-09-2014 09:39 PM)Onto Wrote:  

What I see currently happening is men abandoning marriage and just banging girls for the fun of it until they get one pregnant and then their life is in fiancial servitude to that girl for the next 18-21 years.

Decades ago the smarter guys imported the women here, then American women got wise to it and enacted laws that allowed a new foreign bride to claim domestic violence and get the green card automatically. Once the horror stories spread, I'm guessing that shut down a lot of importing.

Now, the smarter guys will move abroad, but the US has been making that hard too with failure to pay child support being a felony, paying taxes no matter where you live, mandatory health care insurance, FATCA, International Child Support to allow foreign women access to US family courts, and who knows what else.

The US may eventually restrict men to a certain amount of traveling abroad per year, without giving up their passport. Maybe they will ban expatriating altogether.

I think America has a lot further to fall before it bottoms out.

Damn never knew the family laws could go that far. And of course if it's the US, then we have the equivalent here in Canada as well! That sucks

[rawhide]

I don't know when feminism will implode, but it has clearly peaked already.

When the West goes into terminal decline, it will take feminism with it since everything - cultural hegemony, military might, etc. - is all based on economic power. 2020 - 2030 sounds good to me. The cancer of feminism really started propagating around the world during the 1990s after the end of the Cold War when the U.S. became the world's sole superpower.

[iknowexactly]

I mock my 22 year old assistant and call her a "Strong independent Woman". She can hardly walk across my living room without falling over. Every subject we talk about I know about 10 times more than she does.

She still smirks like a spoiled bitch because she's got 8 more years of being hot. I'm starting to learn to enjoy women more now that I've accepted they're as dumb as a box of rocks and completely irrational on top of that.

The ones that are fun have a sense of humor about themselves and deep down know you're superior to them. They just don't want it shoved in their faces.

Men always try to figure things out. The benefit of having women around is they know how to just selfishly, childishly enjoy stuff, as it is.

You got this yacht dealing coke and assassinating rivals and addicting housewives? Who cares! Look how pretty it is!!

They're not always planning future fucking conquests like men.
They can help us relax and enjoy life-- IF they have that sense of humor.

Otherwise, later.

Oh Christ, stop with the terminal decline stuff-- terminal decline starts with YOU, when you hit 50, which is sooner than you think. You don't need America to fall apart for it to happen, you can do it by yourself.

Also, in half a trillion years, the Sun enlarges and swallows the Earth. Am I supposed to worry about that, too?

I don't think there's ever been a period in my almost 60 years when a subset of the anxious weren't saying "It's different this time... things are really getting bad now.."

I was alive during the Cuban Missile crisis, when Kennedy openly threatened Russia with nuclear assault, The war in Nam when the National Guard was shooting American students down, the Arab oil embargo in 1973, the nuclear accident in Three Mile Island, Rebellions crushed in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, numerous stock crashes when everyone was convinced the economy was going to collapse, and the one thing that remained constant?

It would have been great to buy Proctor and Gamble Forty-Six Hundred percent up since 1970, not counting dividends.

The "end" is not near, except for every one of us.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
The only thing you can learn from history, is that you can't learn anything from history.

[Glaucon]

Too long...

[Cattle Rustler]

(08-09-2014 08:50 PM)Enjoythedecline Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 07:45 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 07:12 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What do you mean by feminism imploding? Do you mean women leaving the workforce and going back to traditional roles such as homemaker and caretaker? Marrying early and having kids instead of going to college? Proclaiming the importance of men in their lives? I don't see that happening. The cat's out of the bag. That would be like gays voluntarily going back in the closet once they've already gotten used to public flamboyance.

As long as they do not infect new generations with their ideology their behaviors will die with them.

Forget it. Younger generation of women seems sluttier than their predecessor.

Which is good, because it gets us laid.

[Feisbook Control]

Define feminism though. Tons of chicks may not call themselves feminists and may reject some fat dyke with half her head shaved and her more radical ideas. Yet there are tons of ideas that are simply taken for granted now. Women get to vote. Women get to take men to the cleaners in a divorce. Women can have abortions. You go grrrl, etc. That sort of stuff. The point is not even whether you agree with any of these points or not. You don't have to think women should be chained barefoot to the kitchen sink to see how the process has worked so far and continues to work.

The point is that if we looked at feminist talking points on a scale of 1-10 (1 being patriarchy and 10 being some sort of feminist fantasy land), we're at a point where the starting point is a 7. Everyone is quibbling over this like temporarily (and I say temporarily because 10 years from now what is radical might very well be what is normal) moving from a 7.3 to a 7.2 represents the end of feminism. Anything less than a 7 is not even remotely on the cards without a major restructuring of society that would most likely be precipitated by a major crisis.

[gwkr929]

Whenever the service economy implodes and we go back to building and engineering things, that's when feminism will implode.

[Duke Castile]

I think there will have to be a dark ages of sorts. The only thing I can think of to cause this would be a shortage of fresh water which is already happening.

[puckerman]

It won't implode. But the societies and cultures where there is no feminism will outbreed the cultures and societies which have embraced it. This means Islam will be even more of a problem than it is now.

The result will be another dark age in which the world is dominated by the savage religion of Islam.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Feminism is slowly imploding because the people who support it don't realize how ridiculous they're getting. When you're a dominant cultural force of any kind, no one calls you on your excesses until it's too late.

This goes for liberalism as a whole, which has degenerated into unintentional self-parody during the Obama administration. The media didn't have a Republican president to fight, and lost its focused by obsessing on weird topics that few can relate to (i.e. transgender rights). After a while, this all becomes unintentionally funny, and it's only a matter of time till people realize that.

For a good example, look no further that the fake Twitter hashtag "End Fathers Day," which people thought was real.

Then there are several Twitter parody accounts, like Vaux News, which spoofs the Vox.com site. Or "Salondotcom," which goofs on Salon.com.

Again, people mistake these accounts for the real thing. Sample headline:

"White males have plenty: It's time to revise historical figures into PoC and women to aid the struggle today"

"It's abject oppression": Joan Walsh on being an upper middle class white woman in America."

"“I’m not a Catholic. Abortion is fantastic. Progressives are right about everything.” Read this shocking interview with Pope Francis."

"17 reasons that jokes aren't funny."

[rawhide]

If you want to know if or when feminism will implode, then you have to determine how it grew and metastasized in the first place.

Government. Big socialistic government promoting egalitarian policies. Everything men find objectionable from affirmative action hiring practices, Title IX, sexual harassment laws, divorce rape, making schools and universities more female friendly by changing tests from true/false or multiple choice to essay questions in order to give girls a boost, etc. all flows from that.

When the economy eventually collapses, it will take governments down along with it. I assure you that no one will be thinking about feminism or divorce in a Mad Max-type scenario. There are almost 7 billion people on this planet now and things could easily tip into chaos.

Sovereign debt crises around the world
Dramatically rising taxes and wealth confiscation (bank "bail-ins")
Pension crises (municipal bankruptcies) leading to riots
Crop failures
A heretofore unknown pandemic that emerges out of nowhere (not ebola)
WAR

That being said, I'm not holed up in a bunker with a thousand cans of ham & beans or twittling my thumbs playing video games while waiting for feminism to fail. That will take a long time and it may not happen in my lifetime. Instead, I'm just trying to make as much money as I can and traveling more looking for other opportunities.

If you find joy between the legs of the local fatties and sluts, then so be it. Whatever makes you happy.

[The Father]

(08-09-2014 09:48 PM)Old Fritz Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 08:50 PM)Enjoythedecline Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 07:45 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 07:12 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What do you mean by feminism imploding? Do you mean women leaving the workforce and going back to traditional roles such as homemaker and caretaker? Marrying early and having kids instead of going to college? Proclaiming the importance of men in their lives? I don't see that happening. The cat's out of the bag. That would be like gays voluntarily going back in the closet once they've already gotten used to public flamboyance.

As long as they do not infect new generations with their ideology their behaviors will die with them.

Forget it. Younger generation of women seems sluttier than their predecessor.

I say they are sluttier.

And the problem with that is?? Look, I'm completely against feminism. But I'm also against religious values that were written in a very superstitious age. We should aspire to a society where sluts are encouraged, but men are not compelled to subsidize them with their taxes, job quotas, etc. Men should also be free to marry the non-slutty ones - and since they bring 90% of the value to the marriage, men should set the rules, without the heavy hand of the state involved. THOSE women - the ones married to or living with men who support them - should be required to be non-slutty and generally conform to whatever the man requires - cooking, cleaning, etc. Get the state and the law out of it, and things will return to what they should be inside of 15 years. Women are HOPELESS are maintaining society without male leadership. Hopeless.

[The Father]

(08-10-2014 12:06 PM)rawhide Wrote:  

If you want to know if or when feminism will implode, then you have to determine how it grew and metastasized in the first place.

Government. Big socialistic government promoting egalitarian policies. Everything men find objectionable from affirmative action hiring practices, Title IX, sexual harassment laws, divorce rape, making schools and universities more female friendly by changing tests from true/false or multiple choice to essay questions in order to give girls a boost, etc. all flows from that.

Exactly. Kill the gravy train it rode in on, and feminism will die in less than a generation.

[MattW]

Communism as an idea never died completely so I dont see feminism ever really going away. But even if feminism loses its political and academic power/clout/whatever the thrust of 'women first' won't go away. Traditionalism is also women first, just from another angle. Even the women against feminism are women first in a kind of mixed way between the two.

I dont see feminism going the way of communism in the foreseeable future, but it does seem to be losing a bit of its edge. I'm not sure that matters though because women as a group are pro-women, and most men are also pro-women. Like it or not its in our DNA.

[It_is_my_time]

Feminism will go away when the western world collapses. Which is the purpose of feminism, to use women against men, spread anti-family progressivism, and destroy the western culture so that the wealthy elites end up as kings.

The wealthy elites are not stupid. You don't make billions of dollars by being an idiot. They know exactly what they are doing. The biggest threat to the wealthy elites is an educated and free from oppression middle class. But if the wealthy elites tried to strong arm the educated and free people in the west, these people would revolt.

So instead they use progressivism. Feminism is their greatest tool. They know women are easy to manipulate, and they know women are over 50% of the voters. So they keep slowly changing our life style to giving us less freedoms...

- Attempt at gun control.
- NSA
- IRS
- Increased regulations that only benefit the wealthy
- More dependent on govt. handouts.

And we slowly accept it.

But the end goal is to crush our life styles and make them effective the kings of our world. When this happens the farce that is feminism can no longer be afforded. We will not be able to afford such a safe and easy society where women can just run around and party 24/7. And at this point, feminism will have no choice but to disappear, which is great to the elites, it would have already served its purpose.

[rawhide]

(08-10-2014 01:11 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

But the end goal is to crush our life styles and make them effective the kings of our world. When this happens the farce that is feminism can no longer be afforded. We will not be able to afford such a safe and easy society where women can just run around and party 24/7. And at this point, feminism will have no choice but to disappear, which is great to the elites, it would have already served its purpose.

I don't believe in such grand conspiracies. Most of this is just long term cycles.

Ancient Rome collapsed because it became extremely oppressive and turned against its own people. Crushing taxes and debased coinage (to pay for bloated government aka the army) undermined and weakened Rome to the point that its citizens welcomed the Germanic invaders as liberators.

The Western world fought the Cold War from 1947 until 1991. A huge amount of government resources and attention were devoted to trying to keep communism in check. When the Soviet Union finally collapsed and the Eastern Bloc unraveled, Western governments were freed to devote their energies against their own people with long sought after elitist goals such as progressive social engineering and more socialism.

[It_is_my_time]

(08-10-2014 01:33 PM)rawhide Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 01:11 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

But the end goal is to crush our life styles and make them effective the kings of our world. When this happens the farce that is feminism can no longer be afforded. We will not be able to afford such a safe and easy society where women can just run around and party 24/7. And at this point, feminism will have no choice but to disappear, which is great to the elites, it would have already served its purpose.

I don't believe in such grand conspiracies. Most of this is just long term cycles.

Ancient Rome collapsed because it became extremely oppressive and turned against its own people. Crushing taxes and debased coinage (to pay for bloated government aka the army) undermined and weakened Rome to the point that its citizens welcomed the Germanic invaders as liberators.

The Western world fought the Cold War from 1947 until 1991. A huge amount of government resources and attention were devoted to trying to keep communism in check. When the Soviet Union finally collapsed and the Eastern Bloc unraveled, Western governments were freed to devote their energies against their own people with long sought after elitist goals such as progressive social engineering and more socialism.

It isn't a conspiracy theory in my opinion...

What is the biggest threat to the elite class, the billionaires?

A free and educated middle class.

IBM was king of the jungle, as big and as bad as they could get.

Then two dorky guys bought some shitty discarded version of their software for nothing and worked in their garage. 10 years later the king of the jungle was knocked off the hill. Microsoft said "step aside".

The elites know that if the middle class has freedoms, education, and dreams, it is only a matter of time.

So they must push this progressive agenda to destroy the middle class.

As for fighting the Soviet Union/Cuba/communism...

IMO it was all for show. They helped to bankrupt the western world and crush the middle class with the military industrial complex fighting an invisible boogie man. Our focus was on the Soviet Union, all the while we were throwing our futures away paying for a military we never even used.

Now today it is Islam extremism. We claim to be fighting Islam extremism and are spending trillions to do so, all the while we back some Islamic extremist groups in their own battles.

Crush the middle class, and they crush their greatest competition. Once the middle class is crushed, then all these nice things such as electricity at the touch of a finger or police on every street corner disappear. And with it, feminism disappears, because without modern technology women will have no choice but to fall back to their traditional roles.

I could be wrong though, these are just my findings in looking through things.

[HawkWrites]

How long? Not long.

/thread

(Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if we were due for some fourth-wave insanity but that point in time it should completely implode and the people who it's purported to "help" would realize that there's actually no point in following such an incredulous movement)