[jariel]

(08-09-2014 10:41 PM)soup Wrote:  

Is she fat or is she a hotty?

Doesn't matter, dudes need to kill the thought process that fat chicks don't get dick, they get dick offered to them all the time -- usually on the low.

Every guy doesn't have high standards, most can't even fathom the idea of approaching and having a conversation with a "hotty".

At the end of the day, "hotty" females mostly fuck "hotty" males, "non-hotty" males fuck what they can.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

This thread reflects the typical manosphere misconception of "all women are sluts!". Yes, they are sluts, but it's not because of having had 20, 30, 50 or or whatever ridiculous number of partners, but because just 1-2 alpha partners are enough to permanently ruin a woman's bonding capabilities (example).

By throwing around hysterical numbers, we are doing a disservice both to ourselves and to young men. Look for negative character traits, not numbers. The number is just a fairly accurate signal or those traits.

[Heathree]

What evidence is there these and other studies are correct? Women telling lies and men massaging the figures to sound better and all that.

(08-09-2014 05:48 PM)Ensam Wrote:  

From http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources...tml#number

Quote:

Number of Partners

Males 30-44 report an average of 6-8 female sexual partners in their lifetime (Mosher, Chandra, & Jones, 2005).
Females 30-44 report an average of 4 male sexual partners in their lifetime (Mosher, Chandra, & Jones, 2005).
3% of men have had zero sexual partners since the age of 18, 20% have had 1 partner, 21% have had 2-4 partners, 23% have had 5-10 partners, 16% have had 11-20 partners, and 17% have had 21 or more partners (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels, 1994).
3% of women have had zero sexual partners since the age of 18, 31% have had 1 partner, 36% have had 2-4 partners, 20% have had 5-10 partners, 6% have had 11-20 partners, and 3% have had 21 or more partners (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels, 1994).
20% of American men and 31% of American women have had one sex partner in their lifetime (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels, 1994).
56% of American men and 30% of American women have had 5 or more sex partners in their lifetime (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels, 1994).

Perhaps more telling is the frequency of sex in single men and women:


So with women the plurality are generally not sleeping around when they're not dating anyone. The next largest segment is having sex at least once a month - maybe with the same partner, maybe not. Presumably not if they're not in a relationship though they might have a small number of guys they rotate through.

Here's the data for guys:


So I think basically most women have relatively few sexual partners, but a few of them have many, many sexual partners.

[Windom Earle]

I had an 18 year old chick proclaim that I was her "17th", just after I blew, haha.

[mikado]

The variance is more important than the mean.

[MrXY]

I'm laughing at you guys who believe what girls tell you about their partner count or what they tell even anonymous sex surveys

Apparently you're not familiar with the female "didn't count" method

"I was drunk"-didn't count

"It was only a blowjob"- didn't count

"I was on vacation" -didn't count

"I needed help with my bills"-didn't count

Threesome/gangbang-extra guys didn't count

"Those guys when Tony and I were broken up"-didn't count

I never ask and don't care, but if you guys have to ask, take her answer and multiply by 2 . Or by 3 if you want to include blowjobs

[Menace]

Never understood the obsession with low partner count. You gonna marry this bitch? No? Then who fucking cares. As long as she's disease free and does what I want I don't give a shit and I never ask.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

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From http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources...tml#number
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Kinsey Institute is notoriously agenda driven - founded by a pedophile and lunatic who completely fabricated the initial numbers (included prostitutes and prisoners to raise the N-count for women and gay sexual encounters for men. He also hired pedophiles to do orgasm tests on infants as old as 6 months - crying was an orgasm to them.). Good documentary that backs it up by facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVwbVRNwm6s.
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That said - N-count numbers by women can only be done, when she is strapped to a lie detector. There are studies out there which prove that even if you simulate a lie detector the reported N-count goes up by 100%. Women even lie online.

I would love to see a comprehensive test with 1.000-5.000 in each age group asked about their sexual experiences. All of them would have to be strapped to a lie-detector however.

Regardless of the results - promiscuity is rising anyway. The goal may truly be a Brave New World society where fucking the same person 2 nights in a row is frowned upon. We will see....

[Ensam]

Oh I doubt you'd even get an accurate response if you strapped a girl to a lie detector test. Chicks are masters at self deception above all other things.

I think the numbers are interesting because even with the almost assured under reporting the difference between men and women is striking.

Again, I chalk this up to who cares? What matters for LTRs is a girls ability to bond. There's some evidence that high partner counts diminishes this but you can screen for it without knowing or caring about the actual number.

[Hopson]

(08-10-2014 12:14 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

I'm laughing at you guys who believe what girls tell you about their partner count or what they tell even anonymous sex surveys

Apparently you're not familiar with the female "didn't count" method

"I was drunk"-didn't count

"It was only a blowjob"- didn't count

"I was on vacation" -didn't count

"I needed help with my bills"-didn't count

Threesome/gangbang-extra guys didn't count

"Those guys when Tony and I were broken up"-didn't count

I never ask and don't care, but if you guys have to ask, take her answer and multiply by 2 . Or by 3 if you want to include blowjobs

Exactly; you can never fucking know the real count so why bother asking? There is no doubt they will lie to you. The guys on here making statements like "she has <5" are retarded. When you factor in blowjobs/handys the count gets out of hand. When you factor in just making out with/kissing dudes the count is well into the hundreds for most chicks. You can't avoid other dudes germs, lol. If it is truly important to you to have a chaste virgin then you really have no other choice than to plug into a religion and find a wife.

[MongolianAbroad]

The average opposite sex partner count for women is virtually the same as the average opposite sex partner count for men. It's basic math, guys.

Think about it. Run any scenario you can think of, if the population of the two sexes is identical, then the average opposite sex partner count MUST be the same for both sexes.

A couple of things to note:

There will be a difference if the population of one sex is larger, BUT the difference in the population of the genders, in America, is not enough to account for a difference of several partners in the reported partner count.

Now, if your survey group is a certain age group, say, 20-and-under year old guys and girls, in that case, the average partner count for the women will be higher, because they're sleeping with older guys, people outside the group of people being surveyed, which would add more partner numbers to the women than to the males. The younger males also sleep with older women, but it hasn't been as common, historically, as the opposite, so the numbers would not balance in that scenario, and the women would have a higher partner count. Now, if the young guys are seeing hookers outside of the survey group, this would bump the numbers for the guys, but if the young girls in the survey include the hookers, well, then it would be back to being even again.

Basically, overall, the average has to be the same for both sexes, unless one of the sexes is having sex with people outside of the surveyed group. As another example, if the survey is only done on Americans, then college girls doing a study abroad and sleeping with foreign men outside of the survey group would bump up the average number for women, and men going abroad and sleeping with foreign women outside of the survey group would bump up the numbers for men. If the two balance out, the partner count would remain the same for both sexes, if not, the sex engaging in sex with more partners outside the survey group would have the higher partner count.

However, in the end if you take the entire world's population as your survey sample, the average partner count for men and women still comes out virtually equal.

Why?

Because the world ratio of men to women is 1.01 to 1. Some parts of the world have more men (India, China), some parts have more women (Europe, the Americas, the Former Soviet Union, Japan, and parts of Africa). It almost balances out to 1 to 1, but there are still slightly more men than women overall (1.01 to 1).

See: World Sex Ratio



If you don't get the math behind this, just run a couple of scenarios like this until it clicks in your head:

Scenario A: 10 guys, ten girls. One guy bangs ten girls, 9 guys are left out to pasture. The ten girls only bang that one guy. Average partner count for men is 1. Average partner count for the women is 1.

Scenario B: 10 guys, ten girls. Each of the men/women gets one man/woman all to him/herself. Average partner count for the men is 1. Average partner count for the women is 1.

Scenario C: 10 guys, ten girls. Each of the men/women gets one man/woman all to him/herself. Average partner count for the men is 1. Average partner count for the women is 1. THEN, one girl decides to be promiscuous and sleep with all 10 men. Run the numbers, you've got 9 guys sleeping with two women (their girl, plus the promiscuous girl), 1 guy with only one woman (the promiscuous girl's original guy), 9 girls with one guy (the faithful girls), and one girl with 10 guys (the 9 extra, plus her original guy). Final average partner count? 1.9 for the men, and 1.9 for the women.

In summary, when you see anyone talk about men having a significantly higher average opposite sex partner count or women having a significantly higher average opposite sex partner count, you're just listening to someone that hasn't run the numbers.

[Ensam]

You're talking about the mean - nobody gives a shit about the mean. What dudes usually care about when they ask this question is the mode. This question is essentially if you pick a random 18-26 yd off the street what's the most likely number of partners that she's had?

[Hopson]

Yes, of course mathematically the "averages" would be the same but you are not seeing the reality past the numbers. Randomly select a male 21yr old with an SMP value of 6 and a female equivalent - do you really think the male is going to have had the same number of partners?Hell no.

Something that is common knowledge around these parts is that while most females are getting sex, only a minority of males are getting sex - the "alphas" are getting sex with multiple females.

[Heathree]

So you have 10 guys and 10 girls. 3 of the guys are alpha, hot, attractive, or whatever adjective. 8 of the girls bang the 3 guys, 1 of girls bang 2 of the 3 guys and other girl does without. 7 guys go without any sex.

So a minority of guys and the vast majority of the girls are doing very well in the sexual market place. And majority of the dudes are malnourished, starved and living on crumbs.

[MongolianAbroad]

(08-10-2014 08:07 PM)Hopson Wrote:  

Yes, of course mathematically the "averages" would be the same but you are not seeing the reality past the numbers. Randomly select a male 21yr old with an SMP value of 6 and a female equivalent - do you really think the male is going to have had the same number of partners?Hell no.

Something that is common knowledge around these parts is that while most females are getting sex, only a minority of males are getting sex - the "alphas" are getting sex with multiple females.

In that scenario, you're absolutely right, regarding the median and mode. It's supply and demand. The demand for 21 year old males is MUCH lower than the demand for 21 year old females in the overall dating market.

The women's median partner count around age 21 will be higher, absolutely. The women in that age bracket (18 to 24) are having sex with every age bracket outside that age bracket, while the men in that bracket are not doing so as much. Many of those men are sexually starved, while very few of the women are.

[El Chinito loco]

The feast or famine aspect of American dating is useful in that it probably does create a lot of pumped up disenfranchised young men primed for conflict. From the point of view of the elites it's invaluable to have a stable majority of men with low self worth willing to "prove" themselves in war or to reinforce various authoritarian causes.

The downside is that if you don't have perpetual conflict to feed the beast it tends to turn inward which explains a lot of the violence in U.S. society compared with other developed nations.

[The Beast1]

When I hung out in clubs more often I ran into women with high notch counts. When I left the club and party environment, I noticed partner count dropped considerably. I really think the prevalence of slutty women is a lot lower than one would think.

Even the low count girls have experienced guys like us.

My general rule of thumb is, the girlfriend's notch count can't be higher than mine and even then double digits are suspect. I try to focus on bad behavior traits instead (short hair, attitude, feminist, etc).

[MongolianAbroad]

(08-10-2014 08:13 PM)Heathree Wrote:  

So you have 10 guys and 10 girls. 3 of the guys are alpha, hot, attractive, or whatever adjective. 8 of the girls bang the 3 guys, 1 of girls bang 2 of the 3 guys and other girl does without. 7 guys go without any sex.

So a minority of guys and the vast majority of the girls are doing very well in the sexual market place. And majority of the dudes are malnourished, starved and living on crumbs.

That's also what I've observed in America.

However, from the girl perspective, I wouldn't call getting railed by an alpha dude every couple of weeks or months as a side piece to his main girl "doing very well" in the sexual marketplace.

BUT you're right, she's still doing better, sexually anyhow, than the incel in his dorm room killing time playing WOW.

[MongolianAbroad]

(08-10-2014 08:30 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

The downside is that if you don't have perpetual conflict to feed the beast it tends to turn inward which explains a lot of the violence in U.S. society compared with other developed nations.

Absolutely. Pent up sexual energy (and weak family/social structures) contribute to these incidents.

[kosko]

Most mid 30s women I know have lower notch counts because they came up during a different time. I one girl whom is 34 and has only slept with around 10 guys give or take 3-4 she "forgot", contrast this to a 20 year girl I know whom self professed 40..

[MongolianAbroad]

(08-10-2014 08:30 PM)frenchie Wrote:  

When I hung out in clubs more often I ran into women with high notch counts. When I left the club and party environment, I noticed partner count dropped considerably. I really think the prevalence of slutty women is a lot lower than one would think.

Even the low count girls have experienced guys like us.

My general rule of thumb is, the girlfriend's notch count can't be higher than mine and even then double digits are suspect. I try to focus on bad behavior traits instead (short hair, attitude, feminist, etc).

Agree with all of this.

I'm just a bit more strict than you.

I'm 32, and I've slept with several girls over 19, but for girlfriends, I've never had a girlfriend over 19. My current girlfriend turned 18 two months ago, so, yeah, I'm one of the guys taking the 18 and 19 year old girls from the 18 and 19 year old guys. Guilty as charged.

That's the way the world works.

For a girlfriend, I prefer virgins, but two or three prior boyfriends, I'm ok with that, it gives them a bit of experience in relationships, nothing wrong with that.

[MongolianAbroad]

(08-10-2014 08:50 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Most mid 30s women I know have lower notch counts because they came up during a different time. I one girl whom is 34 and has only slept with around 10 guys give or take 3-4 she "forgot", contrast this to a 20 year girl I know whom self professed 40..

Yeah man...

I had a roommate a couple of years back (I temporarily lived in an apartment where you did not choose your roommates), this girl would post on the Craigslist boards for hookups.

She was 19, and she had been with over 90 guys. Random guys would just come into the apartment. No money exchanged hands, she just had a very high sex drive. She was built like a linebacker too, I'd give her a 1, if I had to rate her attractiveness (obese, about 5'10" tall, with a manly back and very strong arms, like a linebacker, very ugly face too). She ended up moving out of Austin because Austinites were "too immoral and didn't share her Christian values." She'd walk around the apartment and ask, "Have any of you guys seen my herpes medication, I'm not sure where I left it?"

So, yeah. No Craigslist back in the day. It's just much easier to pull this kind of stuff off nowadays if you're so inclined.

[MongolianAbroad]

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[Espresso]

(08-10-2014 08:22 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 08:07 PM)Hopson Wrote:  

Yes, of course mathematically the "averages" would be the same but you are not seeing the reality past the numbers. Randomly select a male 21yr old with an SMP value of 6 and a female equivalent - do you really think the male is going to have had the same number of partners?Hell no.

Something that is common knowledge around these parts is that while most females are getting sex, only a minority of males are getting sex - the "alphas" are getting sex with multiple females.

In that scenario, you're absolutely right, regarding the median and mode. It's supply and demand. The demand for 21 year old males is MUCH lower than the demand for 21 year old females in the overall dating market.

The women's median partner count around age 21 will be higher, absolutely. The women in that age bracket (18 to 24) are having sex with every age bracket outside that age bracket, while the men in that bracket are not doing so as much. Many of those men are sexually starved, while very few of the women are.

Even in a closed population, the median value doesn't have to remain the same for males and females. So if you consider all the age-groups (or alternatively consider just one age group 18-24 and discount any cases of cross-f#cking with other age groups), the median is going to be different, while the mean would necessarily remain the same.

In any situation where the distribution is rather unequal, the mean has little practical relevance. Be it salaries, or sex partners. The median is a 'better' statistical tool but it still reduces a whole distribution to just one number. Best of all is just to plot the actual distribution in a bar graph/histogram, with number of sexual partners along the x-axis (0, 1, 2-5, 5-10, 10-15, 15-20, 20-50, 50-100, 100+. Or whatever), and number of people having that count on the y-axis. One bar graph for guys, and one for girls. That would be a much more meaningful (and interesting!) comparison.

[MongolianAbroad]

(08-10-2014 09:37 PM)Espresso Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 08:22 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 08:07 PM)Hopson Wrote:  

Yes, of course mathematically the "averages" would be the same but you are not seeing the reality past the numbers. Randomly select a male 21yr old with an SMP value of 6 and a female equivalent - do you really think the male is going to have had the same number of partners?Hell no.

Something that is common knowledge around these parts is that while most females are getting sex, only a minority of males are getting sex - the "alphas" are getting sex with multiple females.

In that scenario, you're absolutely right, regarding the median and mode. It's supply and demand. The demand for 21 year old males is MUCH lower than the demand for 21 year old females in the overall dating market.

The women's median partner count around age 21 will be higher, absolutely. The women in that age bracket (18 to 24) are having sex with every age bracket outside that age bracket, while the men in that bracket are not doing so as much. Many of those men are sexually starved, while very few of the women are.

Even in a closed population, the median value doesn't have to remain the same for males and females. So if you consider all the age-groups (or alternatively consider just one age group 18-24 and discount any cases of cross-f#cking with other age groups), the median is going to be different, while the mean would necessarily remain the same.

In any situation where the distribution is rather unequal, the mean has little practical relevance. Be it salaries, or sex partners. The median is a 'better' statistical tool but it still reduces a whole distribution to just one number. Best of all is just to plot the actual distribution in a bar graph/histogram, with number of sexual partners along the x-axis (0, 1, 2-5, 5-10, 10-15, 15-20, 20-50, 50-100, 100+. Or whatever), and number of people having that count on the y-axis. One bar graph for guys, and one for girls. That would be a much more meaningful (and interesting!) comparison.

I've never see that done. I'd like to see it broken down by age group as well. So, for example, a graph for men and women with the number of sexual partners, by age bracket, but non-cumulative, so it would taper off as the age goes up. That way, we could actually SEE a visual representation of the carousel, for both men and women... and compare the two.