[weambulance]

(08-08-2014 11:41 AM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

For a LTR, it helps to be similar in education and intelligence. You'll be more compatible.

For a short term relationship, it's probably not as important.

I can't speak for everyone, but my experience directly conflicts with these ideas. My best relationships were with girls who were of average to +1 SD intelligence (estimating, obviously) without degrees. Why shouldn't I be compatible with a girl just because she's not as intelligent or educated as I am? As long as we're on the same page, it works just fine.

On the other hand the girls I dated who were very intelligent or highly educated all turned out to be fucked in the head, and I hardly ever meet one I'd even take on a date, let alone get into an LTR with. The one girl I dated who was highly intelligent but not seeking formal education turned out to be literally crazy, as in on all kinds of psych meds (I found that out later).

I've also never had any particular problem communicating with people who are much less intelligent than me, and I'm not one of these sheltered gifted kids who's never been around "normal" people. I had zero trouble communicating with people in the military, and I worked in mining for years and got on just fine with the blue collar guys.

Maybe I'm just special, I dunno, but I've never found truth in any of the commonly stated ideas about intelligence differentials in relationships and general communication.

For reference I am trained as a scientist and I could join Mensa if I felt like it.

[AneroidOcean]

(08-08-2014 02:37 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 11:41 AM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

For a LTR, it helps to be similar in education and intelligence. You'll be more compatible.

For a short term relationship, it's probably not as important.

I can't speak for everyone, but my experience directly conflicts with these ideas. My best relationships were with girls who were of average to +1 SD intelligence (estimating, obviously) without degrees. Why shouldn't I be compatible with a girl just because she's not as intelligent or educated as I am? As long as we're on the same page, it works just fine.

On the other hand the girls I dated who were very intelligent or highly educated all turned out to be fucked in the head, and I hardly ever meet one I'd even take on a date, let alone get into an LTR with. The one girl I dated who was highly intelligent but not seeking formal education turned out to be literally crazy, as in on all kinds of psych meds (I found that out later).

I've also never had any particular problem communicating with people who are much less intelligent than me, and I'm not one of these sheltered gifted kids who's never been around "normal" people. I had zero trouble communicating with people in the military, and I worked in mining for years and got on just fine with the blue collar guys.

Maybe I'm just special, I dunno, but I've never found truth in any of the commonly stated ideas about intelligence differentials in relationships and general communication.

For reference I am trained as a scientist and I could join Mensa if I felt like it.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. As long as you can communicate and get along with the girl that's much more important than whether she's got a bachelor's degree, master's degree, etc... She doesn't have to be super educated, she doesn't have to be super intelligent, she just has to be agreeable, conversational (no, not like politics or astrophysics), etc...

For dating a woman (not just physical) I care a LOT more about whether I can have FUN with her and have easygoing conversations with very low amounts of drama. I could give two fucks if she's educated and/or intelligent. That's way down the list of priorities. I'd put "fiscally responsible" and "common sense/reasonable" many, many steps higher than education and/or intelligence.

I'm the same way though with my friends and with the people I choose to do business with. I really could care less if you're a homeless bum who can't read if you're respectable and you treat me well and add value to my life (true story, a bum who's lived in my area longer than I have and who I recognize and have short chats with from time to time once brought me an extra surf leash when he saw that mine broke...he wouldn't take any money for it either).

My answer to anyone who would even bring up the education/intelligence level of a girl I'm dating is to laugh at them.

[GenghisKhan]

Some people in this forum don't like overeducated women.

For me, my basic qualification would be to know the difference between your and you're, whose and who's, etc.

[HeavyInTheGame]

I think when dating, there can be a large gap in intelligence. However. When you choose to procreate you should look for someone closer to your level.

[el mechanico]

Guys need food, ass, clean clothes etc to keep the ball rolling. But if you were so smart you'd already know that.

If you want to have deep conversations about the universe or why French wine is better with someone who can't make rice and beans you're also not that educated..About CUNTS!!!!! And will end up holding the bag at some point.

Dating/relationship/social intelligence trumps actual education in this dynamic.

[Heathree]

For a relationship, you need someone who is as educated as you. For a quick fuck, it really don't matter. If anything, what matters is, how hot she is.

[WD-40]

I don't think there is a problem dating less educated women per se, as long as they understand and acknowledge that fact, if it be so.

Where things can get a little tricky, though, are situations where a woman improperly self-assesses (or misreads a man) and thinks she is more educated. And such gaffes are on the rise in a time such as ours, where it has become acceptable for pop culture to stereotype men as bumbling fools in severe need of female guidance, and where more women have experienced some level of higher education - if only through a glass darkly.

The more bubbles a woman brings to an interaction that are in need of gentle deflation, the more likely it becomes that the man will perceive the interaction as tedious or that the woman's delicate ego will not take kindly to the correction.

[el mechanico]

(08-09-2014 05:06 PM)Heathree Wrote:  

For a relationship, you need someone who is as educated as you. For a quick fuck, it really don't matter. If anything, what matters is, how hot she is.

Wrong. Very very wrong. Did you read my post?

For a relationship you don't even need someone who speaks English.

Read through the DC and Toronto threads here and see how well the guys there are doing with the educated girls.

[shotgun]

I eventually get bored when I'm dating girls from a lower socioeconomic status. You have to get through a few hours of boring, mundane conversations and pay a couple of bills that she will unsincerely offer to split - when she actually does - in exchange to access to her pussy. It feels very transactional. They're okay for short term relationships though.

[Heathree]

(08-09-2014 05:21 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 05:06 PM)Heathree Wrote:  

For a relationship, you need someone who is as educated as you. For a quick fuck, it really don't matter. If anything, what matters is, how hot she is.

Wrong. Very very wrong. Did you read my post?

For a relationship you don't even need someone who speaks English.

Read through the DC and Toronto threads here and see how well the guys there are doing with the educated girls.

I see what you mean. If you are a lawyer or professional of some ilk, you certainly don't want to be dating a knuckle head lawyer chick of a woman. Or any other professional career woman.

[el mechanico]

(08-09-2014 05:21 PM)shotgun Wrote:  

I eventually get bored when I'm dating girls from a lower socioeconomic status. You have to get through a few hours of boring, mundane conversations and pay a couple of bills that she will unsincerely offer to split - when she actually does - in exchange to access to her pussy. It feels very transactional. They're okay for short term relationships though.

You're not doing it right. Keep reading here.

[el mechanico]

I'll be more than glad to help you guys here and go into details but you have to understand the basics. If gender roles are not in place there's no reason to keep moving forward. Just smash until you get tired of it only.

[germanico]

(08-07-2014 11:33 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

No one wants an over-educated feminist snarky bitch, but keep in mind the greater the gap in intelligence between you and another person, the harder it is to communicate with them. The general rule is if your two standard deviations apart in IQ (i.e 30 points), you're pretty much fucked. You're going to best get along with people of the same intellectual caliber as yourself. No more, no less.

The average IQ score is 100. Anyone below 70 is considered retarded.

So, if your IQ is 130, communicating with a regular person is as hard as a regular person trying to communicate with a retarded one.

Now imagine if your IQ is 160.

[Onto]

A woman who's intelligent? For the most part they aren't. What do we mean by intelligent? She's good at Math, has good reading comprehension, good at solving puzzles? Good at debating/negating? Is ambitious enough to study and get a degree and have a career? Sure, there are lots of woman that are like that.

I want none of that in a woman. I want, as I believe most do, a woman who can do the things I can't well, like cook, clean, being thoughtful/tactful with family/social responsibilities, bring an empathetic point of view into discussions when necessary, but most importantly be a listening and comforting ear and supporter of my actions in the world.

In return I provide for her, give her direction and purpose and fuck her good.

I think most western men are raised to want the bitch (a.k.a intelligent) who will have strong opinions and debate with them, etc. I know I used to be that way, and I can still feel it's draw from time to time, though much, much less so now.

We can't forget, us western men have been culturally programmed from birth. Raised by animus-possesed Mothers and feminist laden culture, I don't think we can just take a red-pill and all that disappears for us overnight. Yes, we do finally see the lie of feminism that's been told all these years, we do see all the other men still asleep, but that doesn't mean we are fully awake yet ourselves.

We thought we were awake before we took the red-pill. Afterwards we say, "I was asleep then, but now, now I'm awake". imagine what else we are still asleep to now. I think this desire for an "intelligent" woman is an example of men still a little groggy under the cultural programming of feminism.

For LTR/Marriage we should be desiring a virtuous woman with a good heart, who's humble, kind, caring, thoughtful, sexy, and happy to help at a moments notice without any kind of resistance.

Yet, us western men want her to be intelligent too, sometimes even foremost. As Spaniard88 said, we should be wanting an emotionally developed woman (feminine) instead of an intellectually developed (masculine) one. Also a woman who's in touch and is developed with her own feminine sexuality.

But hey, different strokes for different folks and relationships really are all about discovering ourselves in the end so maybe some smart-ass broad is one person's path towards that so I shouldn't say there way is the wrong way, but I do think it's a waste of what a relationship could be with a traditional, feminine woman.

[rpg]

After all these years I wondered what my wife's IQ was. I gave here an IQ test and I shit myself. Dumb as a rock, almost. The good news is the things that cause me to panic go right over her head. The things that cause her to panic are having to walk long distances/go without food/sex in crazy positions etc. Oh well.

[weambulance]

(08-09-2014 06:06 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 11:33 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

No one wants an over-educated feminist snarky bitch, but keep in mind the greater the gap in intelligence between you and another person, the harder it is to communicate with them. The general rule is if your two standard deviations apart in IQ (i.e 30 points), you're pretty much fucked. You're going to best get along with people of the same intellectual caliber as yourself. No more, no less.

The average IQ score is 100. Anyone below 70 is considered retarded.

So, if your IQ is 130, communicating with a regular person is as hard as a regular person trying to communicate with a retarded one.

Now imagine if your IQ is 160.

Yeah, that sounds logical but it just doesn't play out that way in real life. Sure, it makes discussing abstract stuff more difficult (or impossible), but I'm pretty confident if I tell a girl I want her to pick up some tortellini for dinner on the way home she's not going to have trouble understanding me just because my IQ is well over 130 and hers is only 100. Haven't met a girl yet who was too dumb to understand I didn't want her teeth on my cock when she was blowing me either.

The vast majority of important communication is low level. No attractive girl who hasn't suffered brain damage is going to be so stupid she can't understand you when you express your desires and expectations in a relationship.

[iknowexactly]

(08-08-2014 08:55 AM)DChambers Wrote:  

It took me awhile to come to the realization that you can't rely on a chick to provide intellectual stimulation. It just never quite works out.

After I got my doctorate, as well as enough courses for two bachelor's-- I started to accept that hardly any hot chicks I met would be as educated as me.

It's essentially impossible for a girl at peak hotness -- under 24-- to have a doctorate.

Now about the most important thing about a girl is that she'll center her life around me.

I want support for my pursuit of my goals, most women are too stupid for me to even explain to her what those goals are. Cooking, cleaning, sex, pleasure travel... basically waiting on me-- those are her primary functions. If she's anywhere as smart as me she's going to be out working somewhere all day, what use is that to me?

[Dusty]

Bitches degrees mean very little to me.



I've known a few ivy league bitches. They are not dumb, but to me they are not that brilliant. They really are not good at critical thinking or original thought. What they are good at is being anal retentive, and regurgitating back what they their professors told them.

[El Chinito loco]

One of the downsides with dating in SE Asia is that a lot of girls are quite honestly pretty dumb but sweet. It's not merely from low quality education but diet, culture, overall social environment, etc.. which has nurtured people that don't like to use their brains much. I'd say average IQ in the region hovers around 80-85 here with a few ethnic minority groups (Chinese mostly) that are way smarter than the local population.

Some nations in SEA have dramatically higher IQ's than the region. Take Singapore for instance and when you talk with these people the difference is obvious. It's not just a matter of education the thinking is far different compared with the average dim bulb in Bangkok or Manila.

IQ is partially inherited so if you have a kid with one of these people it's very necessary to put them in an environment to counter some of this deficiency.

[Deluge]

(08-09-2014 07:55 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 06:06 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(08-07-2014 11:33 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

No one wants an over-educated feminist snarky bitch, but keep in mind the greater the gap in intelligence between you and another person, the harder it is to communicate with them. The general rule is if your two standard deviations apart in IQ (i.e 30 points), you're pretty much fucked. You're going to best get along with people of the same intellectual caliber as yourself. No more, no less.

The average IQ score is 100. Anyone below 70 is considered retarded.

So, if your IQ is 130, communicating with a regular person is as hard as a regular person trying to communicate with a retarded one.

Now imagine if your IQ is 160.

Yeah, that sounds logical but it just doesn't play out that way in real life. Sure, it makes discussing abstract stuff more difficult (or impossible), but I'm pretty confident if I tell a girl I want her to pick up some tortellini for dinner on the way home she's not going to have trouble understanding me just because my IQ is well over 130 and hers is only 100. Haven't met a girl yet who was too dumb to understand I didn't want her teeth on my cock when she was blowing me either.

The vast majority of important communication is low level. No attractive girl who hasn't suffered brain damage is going to be so stupid she can't understand you when you express your desires and expectations in a relationship.

It's not like you're speaking a different language, but if you're much smarter then someone the struggle is indeed real. Good example of course being gifted children. A couple weeks ago I had a first date with a girl who was dumb ass rocks. I just ran my stock standard get to know each other and flirt game like any other first date, but it was a trainwreck. It's not like she didn't understand what I was saying, but she just wasn't able to relate? When I met her at a bar it was fine since it was just a 15 minute conversation and she was vibing me just based on looks, but having to sit down and talk with her for a few hours felt like I was talking to a wall, we were just on two different levels. A few days later I ran the same exact game on a smarter girl who was actually worse educated then the dumb one and got the first date bang. Communication range is real. Look at your friends and the girls you've fucked, I guarantee they're going to be closer to you intellectually then they would've been if selected randomly.

[weambulance]

All your anecdote says is you didn't tailor your material to your intended audience.

I'm a pretty decent teacher. I've taught people ranging from new students completely ignorant of the material to professionals with masters degrees in the field. If I tried to teach 101 students the same way I teach highly educated professionals it would be a disaster. Thus, I tailor my material and teaching methods to suit my students.

Communication in general works the same way. The same basic rules apply whether you're teaching a class, giving a presentation at work, or flirting. Sometimes you'll find people you just plain cannot connect with regardless of their intelligence or education, but that is rare. You can get through to virtually anybody capable of understanding what you're talking about, you just need to figure out how.

You said you ran your standard game on the dumb chick, yes? Well, maybe you should try to be more flexible, and change tactics when it's clear she's just not getting it. What do you do when you're dealing with foreign chicks? Would you be surprised if they didn't respond the same way to your flirtation as the girls who share your cultural background and knowledge?

I find young women these days amazingly dull in general. They utterly lack curiosity, and the stuff they care about is boring as hell. The interesting ones are usually psychologically damaged or high T sluts with behavior too masculine to be appealing. Given that, I simply altered my expectations, and I just have fun with girls. I tease them, I play games with them, get them engaged, get them responding to me. So what if we're not discussing international politics, moral abstractions, or whether automotive engineers should be sterilized for selling out and making retarded design decisions to save a penny per car? They're still fun; I just have to communicate on their level. Most of the time that means never discussing anything I really care about, but fortunately I have intelligent male friends and highly intelligent family members to meet that need.

I utterly reject the notion that a highly intelligent man is doomed to feel like the only normal guy in a special ed class for his entire life. Really, it seems to me that highly intelligent people should be more capable of communicating at varying levels than people of average intelligence. After all, a greater capacity for abstract thought and more raw processing power are hardly hindrances to thinking of different ways to present information. Otherwise, why is it that the most intelligent people I've ever known were also highly effective teachers? And why were the more normal teachers and TAs the ones that struggled to help students "get it" when their standard explanation failed?

If I'm trying to teach someone "2 + 2 = 4" (a concept they certainly are capable of understanding) but what they're hearing is "purple bubblegum tents are yellow", it is their fault because they're just too fucking stupid to get it, or is it my fault that I can't figure out to express the simple concept to them in a fashion they can grasp? Well, as I said before, most interpersonal communication that matters in day to day life is at the 2 + 2 = 4 level.

I strongly suspect the real communication gap problem is found in highly intelligent people who have never learned strong communication skills, who are easily frustrated by their inability to communicate--rather than by others' inability to understand the fundamental concept at hand--and who are too socially immature to understand why people react poorly to their behavior. Sheldon Cooper, for example. I've known people like that (not exactly, but similar), and it's amazing how childish a highly intelligent person who has never had to function in the real world can be.

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Discussion of gifted children is largely irrelevant to the subject at hand, because they are children. Communication is learned, it is a skill, and it's unlikely gifted children surrounded by other gifted children will learn to communicate with normal kids all that quickly.

[Deluge]

^The problem I had was I found myself having to dumb myself down considerably to this chicks level, and I think I was being a bad actor with it. It knocked me out of my natural flow too, having to consciously filter what I was saying. I game all different types of girls and I rarely ever have to do this, but honestly I don't meet many people who are straight up dumb. Perhaps practice would make perfect.

[reaper23]

"Really, it seems to me that highly intelligent people should be more capable of communicating at varying levels than people of average intelligence. After all, a greater capacity for abstract thought and more raw processing power are hardly hindrances to thinking of different ways to present information. Otherwise, why is it that the most intelligent people I've ever known were also highly effective teachers? And why were the more normal teachers and TAs the ones that struggled to help students "get it" when their standard explanation failed?
"

excellent point.

that being said, i also agree that education status is too highly valued. i prefer kindness, warmth, thoughtfulness, and resourcefulness over a masters degree.

base line intelligence to be able to understand me is required and having street / common sense required as well. but being well educated not so much.

[Phoenix]

+1 Agree that education does not mean intelligence. Especially with some of the fluff degrees people get nowadays. If I have a degree in medicine and a girl has a degree in Art History, it's not really a match.

As for dating a girl significantly less intelligent than you, you've got no chance of having a satisfying relationship. If you can't connect why would you date her instead of just banging her until she stops meeting up with you? If they don't have a brain they're all the same - physical satisfaction only.

In Australia I've had girls glaze over and specifically mock me for using words with too many sylables in sentences before. I remember one specific occasion where what I thought was a relatively simple statement about world languages, had to be translated down into 'infants english' by my friend so this chick we were talking to could understand it .

That's the biggest problem I think with dating girls in foreign countries. You only ever know simple vocabulary and grammar in each others languages, and hence can never have intellectual or deep conversations. You can never really 'know' each other because your expressiveness is throttled by the language gap.

Now if only anglophone girls weren't fat, cocky, and leftist...

[Menace]

If I dated only women who are as educated/intelligent as I am (note: these are overlapping, but not identical, populations), I'd be an incel.

If I want to have an intellectual discussion, I will talk with my male friends. I need something entirely different from women.