[Chewbacon]

(08-05-2014 12:30 PM)BadWolf Wrote:  

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Even so, there is nothing wrong with a tribalistic attitude. That is how most of the world works, and how most cultures work. Don't tell me asians are the only ones who are territorial about their women. Have you been to the middle east? At the end of the day, there is a conquest and property element to women. Even we on rooshv promote that kind of a framework. Should we act all indignant when a foreign culture starts getting defensive about a valuable resource of their own? What, are we entitled to asian pussy now by virtue of being white? Asian guys have no obligation to make it easier for non-asians to get asian girls. It's easy enough as it is.

I think that's all part of the Asian programming. If you want white women, I've no doubt that the large majority of white guys would be happy to drop ship them to you at no cost.

Here's another dynamic

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Whenever I go dumpster diving with an asian chick - and sadly, I am not above it at times - i am always told that I am the first asian guy she has hooked up with. So maybe there is truth to the point that their self-hate is a form of ego-preservation and rationalization.

Also, what's missing here about the "pity the asian guy" narrative is that a lot of asian guys have really high standards. Sometimes/often unrealistic, but that's the reality. There are many asian girls who do not match up to it, or don't enjoy the pressure to conform to the asian ideal.

by Chinese beauty standards my wife is a dog and she's well aware of it after having more than a couple people tell her about it. Yet when I look at her I see a little 10 walking around. The only thing I can guess is that Chinese eyes are different from western eyes, you must see something I don't. In my wife's 25 years in China she has never had a boyfriend other than myself and said that she was too ugly in school to get picked. I feel her on that level, I was Napolean Dynamite in high school and women treated me like nuclear waste. The fact that my wife thinks I'm handsome both blows me away and makes me really happy. I'd much rather be with a girl that wets her panties thinking about me then some chick I have to lay game on to 'convince her' to look my way. I don't think Asian guys 'get that', they seem to think that our relationships are based on face/money, where neither is really true. An Asian girl gets no face in my marriage and in my case, my wife gets 0 money from marrying me but she's the happiest little girl you'd ever meet.

So there is certainly that in play as well. What Asian men call a dumpster, white men call a buffet. Again I absolutely hate all food in China, I look at white rice and want to puke. My Chinese friends can sit all day and wolf down a dog casserole, chicken feet, pigs ear, cold fish, cold eggs and tomato mash and salty pies with a glass of hot water to wash it down. While that may sound appetizing to you, its absolutely disgusting for me...

Different tastes.

1. Eh, i don't think it's purely asian programming. For one thing, none of my parents ever inculcated any kind of territorial view on asian women. They never talked about it. Ditto with my friends, who were predominantly white when growing up. I've travelled to other places in the world. Anywhere that isn't heavily westernized seems to care a bit more about their women dating out of their race. I'm sure there are exceptions.

2. your taste might be significantly different from the average chinese man's taste, but so is mine. I am an asian american, and the asian american taste is significantly different from the FOB asian's taste. Think import models vs nubile princess dolls. But there is a tendency among all east asians, i think, to value being really skinny.

[Sebastian]

I don't know why this thread turned into analyzing asian men debate. do we give a fuck about guys whether he is white, black, yellow or purple?
I honestly don't have time to figure out about other guys especially I think he has a problem in dating.
It's either one of asian guys who hates his current situation, hates his past or guys in other race who just want to talk shit to feel better. (weak kid don't dare to go against bullies. he finds another one weaker than him to Pay Back)

All in all, I think it's all related to guy's Insecurity in desiring to be an Alpha. (we all have bitter experiences dealing with them)

I also think it's related to people using the word 'Beta' too much here.
(I really dont think a guy who's really comfortable with himself, has a time to call someone Beta)

[Hamsterchoker]

(08-05-2014 12:30 PM)BadWolf Wrote:  

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Even so, there is nothing wrong with a tribalistic attitude. That is how most of the world works, and how most cultures work. Don't tell me asians are the only ones who are territorial about their women. Have you been to the middle east? At the end of the day, there is a conquest and property element to women. Even we on rooshv promote that kind of a framework. Should we act all indignant when a foreign culture starts getting defensive about a valuable resource of their own? What, are we entitled to asian pussy now by virtue of being white? Asian guys have no obligation to make it easier for non-asians to get asian girls. It's easy enough as it is.

I think that's all part of the Asian programming. If you want white women, I've no doubt that the large majority of white guys would be happy to drop ship them to you at no cost.

Here's another dynamic

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Whenever I go dumpster diving with an asian chick - and sadly, I am not above it at times - i am always told that I am the first asian guy she has hooked up with. So maybe there is truth to the point that their self-hate is a form of ego-preservation and rationalization.

Also, what's missing here about the "pity the asian guy" narrative is that a lot of asian guys have really high standards. Sometimes/often unrealistic, but that's the reality. There are many asian girls who do not match up to it, or don't enjoy the pressure to conform to the asian ideal.

by Chinese beauty standards my wife is a dog and she's well aware of it after having more than a couple people tell her about it. Yet when I look at her I see a little 10 walking around. The only thing I can guess is that Chinese eyes are different from western eyes, you must see something I don't. In my wife's 25 years in China she has never had a boyfriend other than myself and said that she was too ugly in school to get picked. I feel her on that level, I was Napolean Dynamite in high school and women treated me like nuclear waste. The fact that my wife thinks I'm handsome both blows me away and makes me really happy. I'd much rather be with a girl that wets her panties thinking about me then some chick I have to lay game on to 'convince her' to look my way. I don't think Asian guys 'get that', they seem to think that our relationships are based on face/money, where neither is really true. An Asian girl gets no face in my marriage and in my case, my wife gets 0 money from marrying me but she's the happiest little girl you'd ever meet.

So there is certainly that in play as well. What Asian men call a dumpster, white men call a buffet. Again I absolutely hate all food in China, I look at white rice and want to puke. My Chinese friends can sit all day and wolf down a dog casserole, chicken feet, pigs ear, cold fish, cold eggs and tomato mash and salty pies with a glass of hot water to wash it down. While that may sound appetizing to you, its absolutely disgusting for me...

Different tastes.

Sure, if you are talking about the land whales, most white will just chuckle and give them to you. But try to approach hot white girls or have a hot white girlfriend in the America Deep South as an Asian male, good luck not getting into fights and for your gf getting into shit with the local guys.

[BadWolf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb6EUC9vlj8

sorry guys, just seems to be a thing on youtube.

[JWLZG]

We can never have too many race threads can we?

(08-05-2014 04:20 PM)Hamsterchoker Wrote:  

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Even so, there is nothing wrong with a tribalistic attitude. That is how most of the world works, and how most cultures work. Don't tell me asians are the only ones who are territorial about their women. Have you been to the middle east? At the end of the day, there is a conquest and property element to women. Even we on rooshv promote that kind of a framework. Should we act all indignant when a foreign culture starts getting defensive about a valuable resource of their own? What, are we entitled to asian pussy now by virtue of being white? Asian guys have no obligation to make it easier for non-asians to get asian girls. It's easy enough as it is.

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Sure, if you are talking about the land whales, most white will just chuckle and give them to you. But try to approach hot white girls or have a hot white girlfriend in the America Deep South as an Asian male, good luck not getting into fights and for your gf getting into shit with the local guys.

And Asian guys cop it especially for being territorial towards their own kind. For all the baggage against Asian men about being nerdy, effete, beta pansies with tiny manhoods, I think the best gem must be the idea that they're jealously possessive and entitled towards their own women -- alongside the belief that they're archaic misogynists to a man that make their partners walk three steps behind them.
The perverse thing is, most times, the women who hold such beliefs will happily assume the role of the demure, submissive Asian wife who'll cook and clean, but that's another story.

I think possessive attitudes tend to run especially in those cultures where a patriarchy traditionally has been the norm, or where superiority complexes towards other races prevail. There are parts of the Subcontinent where you'd practically risk murder for approaching a local girl (and she, more so, for "whoring herself out"), yet in Nepal I saw those same dudes would thirstily worship above-average looking white women like the second coming of Christ.

[Tengen]

In case you've missed it, TravelerKai has just posted an epic China Datasheet

[El Chinito loco]

Everything in this thread serves as a reconfirmation that in America the environment is made up of a lot of guys squabbling over bread crumbs. The fact of the matter is no one has your best interests at heart in the U.S., it's to each his own. All this ethnic tribalism stuff is just a distraction over things that really matter.

This is also why I tend to avoid most Americans when abroad and am very selective in who I associate with from the anglosphere. It's all inherently toxic.

[Akula]

(08-05-2014 10:49 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Everything in this thread serves as a reconfirmation that in America the environment is made up of a lot of guys squabbling over bread crumbs. The fact of the matter is no one has your best interests at heart in the U.S., it's to each his own. All this ethnic tribalism stuff is just a distraction over things that really matter.

This is also why I tend to avoid most Americans when abroad and am very selective in who I associate with from the anglosphere. It's all inherently toxic.

As much as I hate to admit it, this is pretty true.

The dynamic between men and women is so toxic (almost entirely due to women's attitudes that have been shaped by Feminism) that it's created an extreme polarity. Guys are so thirsty in general and women just lap up all the attention, even though at the end of the day all the attention that women get from Facebook, Tinder, OKStupid etc. doesn't actually get them ahead all that often. It keeps them occupied and makes then more slutty for sure, but goes completely against them finding 'a good man', settling down and having children at the most appropriate age (which sure as hell ain't 35).

Women have it so good in the West and are fed so much 'you're a special snowflake/you go girl' and 'you're a victim' (at the same time nonetheless) no wonder they don't feel the need to stay in shape, eat healthy, treat others with respect, be more down to earth, act more ladylike etc.

So we're forced to chase the 'bread crumbs' that 90+% of US women turn out to be.

[Dalaran1991]

Guys in the end a lizard is a lizard, no matter where she comes from or who she is (as if we care anyway). Like my wing said, "a hole is a hole", you just need game to poke your stick in there

[Hamsterchoker]

(08-06-2014 01:40 AM)Akula Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 10:49 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Everything in this thread serves as a reconfirmation that in America the environment is made up of a lot of guys squabbling over bread crumbs. The fact of the matter is no one has your best interests at heart in the U.S., it's to each his own. All this ethnic tribalism stuff is just a distraction over things that really matter.

This is also why I tend to avoid most Americans when abroad and am very selective in who I associate with from the anglosphere. It's all inherently toxic.

As much as I hate to admit it, this is pretty true.

The dynamic between men and women is so toxic (almost entirely due to women's attitudes that have been shaped by Feminism) that it's created an extreme polarity. Guys are so thirsty in general and women just lap up all the attention, even though at the end of the day all the attention that women get from Facebook, Tinder, OKStupid etc. doesn't actually get them ahead all that often. It keeps them occupied and makes then more slutty for sure, but goes completely against them finding 'a good man', settling down and having children at the most appropriate age (which sure as hell ain't 35).

Women have it so good in the West and are fed so much 'you're a special snowflake/you go girl' and 'you're a victim' (at the same time nonetheless) no wonder they don't feel the need to stay in shape, eat healthy, treat others with respect, be more down to earth, act more ladylike etc.

So we're forced to chase the 'bread crumbs' that 90+% of US women turn out to be.

This cannot be more wrong. The women's bad attitude cannot be attributed to feminism alone. As I've seen abroad, girls in other countries are way worse than American women toward their own men, with a entitled attitude that puts American women to shame. It is just that they also White God worship, so white guys simply cannot see what these women really are.

[El Chinito loco]

(08-06-2014 11:06 AM)Hamsterchoker Wrote:  

This cannot be more wrong. The women's bad attitude cannot be attributed to feminism alone. As I've seen abroad, girls in other countries are way worse than American women toward their own men, with a entitled attitude that puts American women to shame. It is just that they also White God worship, so white guys simply cannot see what these women really are.

I don't see where you are getting this from. I don't have WGF and nearly all the women in foreign countries I have come across have been far superior to the U.S. Even a lot of the western europeans have better attitudes. Also, I have middle and even a few upper class local friends in various SEA countries and they have it ridiculously good. The quality they pull puts most people to shame.

Anglosphere women (U.K., commonwealth, and the U.S.) of all races tend to be fairly similar in their negative attributes.

[Chewbacon]

(08-06-2014 05:18 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(08-06-2014 11:06 AM)Hamsterchoker Wrote:  

This cannot be more wrong. The women's bad attitude cannot be attributed to feminism alone. As I've seen abroad, girls in other countries are way worse than American women toward their own men, with a entitled attitude that puts American women to shame. It is just that they also White God worship, so white guys simply cannot see what these women really are.

I don't see where you are getting this from. I don't have WGF and nearly all the women in foreign countries I have come across have been far superior to the U.S. Even a lot of the western europeans have better attitudes. Also, I have middle and even a few upper class local friends in various SEA countries and they have it ridiculously good. The quality they pull puts most people to shame.

Anglosphere women (U.K., commonwealth, and the U.S.) of all races tend to be fairly similar in their negative attributes.

I don't think this is pure trolling. Chinese women in china treat their own men like shit. And there are a lot of really entitled princesses. Just because they don't treat you or me like shit doesn't mean those inner demons don't exist. You have to control for status boosts - even if you don't have WGF, you can have a status upgrade by virtue of being from a western country - if you want to be objective.

[El Chinito loco]

(08-07-2014 12:48 AM)SHANbangs Wrote:  

I don't think this is pure trolling. Chinese women in china treat their own men like shit. And there are a lot of really entitled princesses. Just because they don't treat you or me like shit doesn't mean those inner demons don't exist. You have to control for status boosts - even if you don't have WGF, you can have a status upgrade by virtue of being from a western country - if you want to be objective.

Maybe for some Chinese women in particular..I know the type you are talking about. However, in SEA all my local friends get treated like kings by their women. Like I said these are mostly middle class, with a few upper class guys. I just rarely see cuntiness here.

[MrPositive]

Where I worked as a professor for years in the US, we had about 3 pretty nice looking Asian women teachers. And yes, I'm a white guy and yes, they wouldn't leave me alone. I now live in a different continent and one of them still to this day writes me and keeps hoping. Unfortunatly, for them, my standards have gotten so absurd to the point of making me depressed half the time. But that chart is pretty true overall in my experience. I could never understand why these girls didn't want any of the asian guys that were clamoring for them with texts, emails, etc. As well, I'll add that from videos online now, I don't think America has even close to the hottest of the Asian girls. Had these girls been 8,9, or 10s, I would have happily been with them.

[El Chinito loco]

(08-07-2014 05:09 AM)MrPositive Wrote:  

As well, I'll add that from videos online now, I don't think America has even close to the hottest of the Asian girls. Had these girls been 8,9, or 10s, I would have happily been with them.

The entire scale needs to be recalibrated once you leave the U.S. Asian girls get a huge boost in ratings on U.S. soil. It's literally like 2+ points bonus. A slim asian 4 with a fairly busted face would easily rate as a 6+ in the U.S. A plain average asian girl who dresses well is way up there. If you're a fat asian girl who would have low prospects in China you can literally marry a billionaire in America.

It's hilarious and fucked up. I don't think the asian girls dating 5'4" beta white guys is as common as ugly to average asian girls punching way above their weight in the States.

[Dalaran1991]

(08-07-2014 05:09 AM)MrPositive Wrote:  

Where I worked as a professor for years in the US, we had about 3 pretty nice looking Asian women teachers. And yes, I'm a white guy and yes, they wouldn't leave me alone. I now live in a different continent and one of them still to this day writes me and keeps hoping. Unfortunatly, for them, my standards have gotten so absurd to the point of making me depressed half the time. But that chart is pretty true overall in my experience. I could never understand why these girls didn't want any of the asian guys that were clamoring for them with texts, emails, etc. As well, I'll add that from videos online now, I don't think America has even close to the hottest of the Asian girls. Had these girls been 8,9, or 10s, I would have happily been with them.

Half-Asian half caucasian turns out the best IMO, though dont be fooled, there s a shit ton of ugly girls in Asia. Dont let the pop hype fool you, those who live there knows the truth. Asian girl physique means that they are often skinny, so no whale. But that also means no ass and no tits. We call these girls the "two backs", cause her front and back look the same lol.

Thanks to this we have tons of 5-7, 8s are not hard to find but 9 or 9.5 are incredibly rare, much rarer than in the west IMO. White and latinas women just have better symmetry and curves in general.

Oh and the scale got inflated for fobby girls who go abroad. Since these tend to be nerdy ugly high achieving girls, they fuck up the scale. Among the Asian expat community an 8 would easily be a 5 back home. Thats why so many of my friends dont wanna go back to Vietnam. Back in high school they never get a second look but once they are in France or US they become 8 or 9. Im like "the fuck guys are all over old plain Kim from back home??????"

[El Chinito loco]

To put it in completely crude terms, the entire U.S. is like pattaya for asian women. It's where a low budget asian girl can throw on a slutty outfit, grab a coach bag, cake on some make up and go work the rounds for a high value mark that's far beyond her humble roots.

[WalterBlack]

(08-07-2014 05:09 AM)MrPositive Wrote:  

As well, I'll add that from videos online now, I don't think America has even close to the hottest of the Asian girls. Had these girls been 8,9, or 10s, I would have happily been with them.

True. Japan has ruined Asian-American women for me.

(08-07-2014 05:38 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

The entire scale needs to be recalibrated once you leave the U.S. Asian girls get a huge boost in ratings on U.S. soil. It's literally like 2+ points bonus. A slim asian 4 with a fairly busted face would easily rate as a 6+ in the U.S. A plain average asian girl who dresses well is way up there. If you're a fat asian girl who would have low prospects in China you can literally marry a billionaire in America.

It's hilarious and fucked up. I don't think the asian girls dating 5'4" beta white guys is as common as ugly to average asian girls punching way above their weight in the States.

True – I grew up in UK and I can’t recall any guy giving a shit about (East) Asian women. I guess this is because the quality of the Asians is very poor. There were very few where I grew up and the ones that were around were mostly Hong Kong Chinese (Cantonese). They’re not good looking on average. Coming to the US was an eye opener for me in the sense that Asian women are considered so desirable. I’ve seen 3’s in the US with white husbands.

(08-07-2014 05:46 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Oh and the scale got inflated for fobby girls who go abroad. Since these tend to be nerdy ugly high achieving girls, they fuck up the scale. Among the Asian expat community an 8 would easily be a 5 back home. Thats why so many of my friends dont wanna go back to Vietnam. Back in high school they never get a second look but once they are in France or US they become 8 or 9. Im like "the fuck guys are all over old plain Kim from back home??????"

Well there’s different perceptions of what’s considered attractive for Asian women in Asia vs the US. A prime example is Lucy Liu. I’ve heard American guys rave about her, whereas my Asian friends think she’s very ordinary. Curvy (not fat) women are considered attractive in the US; some Asian countries they would be considered fat. I think that Carmen from some of the videos has a nice body, but a Chinese FOB will say she’s fat. I remember seeing air hostesses from China in LAX – they were so thin to me they looked ill, whereas in China they would probably be considered upper tier looks wise.

I’ve been told that there’s a big fat shaming culture in Asia. I know a Korean-American who refuses to go to Korea because she’s embarrassed about her weight and she says that random women will tell her to lose weight in Seoul. I never saw any fat women in Tokyo and very few in China or Hong Kong.

[Menace]

I would like to see an example (maybe from you Dalaran since you're Asian) of a girl who would be considered an 8 overseas in the US but a 5 in her home country. Also, I have to say that no-ass no-tits, is not a flaw. To some of us it is highly attractive.

[Dalaran1991]

Ok picture time for you visually hungry cat. These girls I all know from real life.

They would be 5-6 back at home. Number 2 can push it at maximum 7 with makeup. But jesus since they go western they cant chase off the fobby, hungry Asian guys there. They literally fight over each other for these girls. Go figure.

Zukenberg's wife would NEVER find a husband in Vietnam based on her look. Period. 2/10

Quizz: can anyone guess how old number 4 is?

Fobby asian guys going western is a big fucking beta problem. Since they dont have game they can forget about getting white ass. Hell even I have trouble getting white ass. So they settle for the few fobby asian girls or western-asian girls here. Most of the time its also fobby girls since these clueless beta guys still talking about finding a girl who is culturally compatible with them (most lame ass excuses). So you bet if there s a 5 or 6 coming here they get bump 2-4 points up. The desperation stinks from one end of the city to another.

[Dalaran1991]

Wouldnt be fair if I dont post how a Vietnamese 9.5 would look like. And this girl, her attitude problem will put Justin Bieber to shame. She publicly announces that "If there's no money in love, am I supposed to feed myself with dirt?"

[WestIndianArchie]

@Dalaran, I see what you mean.

Although on the surface it the 9.5 looks
- disgustingly pale skin
- rounder eyes

In truth, her face has better symmetry than the rest of the chicks you posted.

WIA

[Chewbacon]

(08-07-2014 05:00 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Ok picture time for you visually hungry cat. These girls I all know from real life.

They would be 5-6 back at home. Number 2 can push it at maximum 7 with makeup. But jesus since they go western they cant chase off the fobby, hungry Asian guys there. They literally fight over each other for these girls. Go figure.

Zukenberg's wife would NEVER find a husband in Vietnam based on her look. Period. 2/10

Quizz: can anyone guess how old number 4 is?

Fobby asian guys going western is a big fucking beta problem. Since they dont have game they can forget about getting white ass. Hell even I have trouble getting white ass. So they settle for the few fobby asian girls or western-asian girls here. Most of the time its also fobby girls since these clueless beta guys still talking about finding a girl who is culturally compatible with them (most lame ass excuses). So you bet if there s a 5 or 6 coming here they get bump 2-4 points up. The desperation stinks from one end of the city to another.

Fuck those pictures are so accurate. Such a true encapsulation of what the market dynamic is here for FOB girls. I want to cry.

[El Chinito loco]

(08-07-2014 09:08 PM)SHANbangs Wrote:  

Fuck those pictures are so accurate. Such a true encapsulation of what the market dynamic is here for FOB girls. I want to cry.

Here's another thing to consider, the farther an asian girl moves away from the asian concentrated coasts in the U.S. the more her value increases as well.

There is already severe market inflation but it gets even more crazy as you move inward.

An asian girl located in the midwest is like +3, in the south it's like +4. In areas with high obesity rates just being a slim woman is considered exotic.

I imagine if you took a legit asian 9-10 and put her in the thirsty interior of the U.S. she would be almost like a diety.

[DVY]

A lot of misinformation and cultural misunderstanding in this thread.

Ill clear it up
- Whiter = Aristocracy/Rich. This is common in Latin America and Africa too. Dark skin is often a stigma in many cultures. Can you fault somebody for trying to elevate their "class". Can you fault somebody for buying gucci glasses? Its not that different.

- Asian girls are all about face/status. As an Asian-American, you kind of float outside of that class-system. Your an outsider and can interact from all classes, but don't be surprised if your friends aren't compatible. i.e. I got bitched out for bring a low-class person to the ice-cream store w/me. Just different customs. In America, its impolite to chew w/your mouth open. In Japan, chewing with your mouth open and slurping noodles is a sign of delicious food.

-Asian girls are often very shy. They don't have the rah-rah white girl power you often see. Don't be shocked if the girls says very little for the first 2-3 mins of talking.

You also have the converse of girls acting hard, but just laugh at them and make fun of them. I walked up to this SF Asian girl (probably an 8) and said hi. She was surrounded by all her friends and likely felt safe in their company. She yelled at me. I just turned to her friends and said, "Did she just drown her kids in the bath-tub tonight? Whats going on?" Her friends started cracking up. Her cute friends later came up to me and apologized. I think I even got a kiss out of it. Thats how you turn the mood. You shame her (playfully but with no malice)- in front of her friends- for acting out. Be calm in the tempest. Under-react to their over-reaction. The dichotomy kills the interaction. Its just like when you feel down and out, but hang out w/super-upbeat people. Or your upbeat and everybody is going to sleep. Moods are infectious.

Or I'll just play stupid and make her feel retarded/ugly. 1 girl said something made rude. I just laughed in her face, and calmly told her that "her zit make-up was peeling. Don't worry I know you upset that you brokeout. "Turn the spotlight back on her

Or Ill get physically closer to her and whisper "Don't think that your bigger than me if you can talk louder." She jumped up on the couch and started yelling more. I just waved at her and giggled like a kid. Its a straight-up joke. It feels like the heat of battle w/your emotions running but its a mirage. Its a little Asian brat acting up. Don't sweat it.

- Top tier Asian girls rarely date outside of Asians unless you truly understand Asian culture. There needs to be a common bond and understanding. She'll act one way w/you and another w/her friends and yet another w/her family. Its a game of masks (face/status). To date a top-tier Asian girl, you need to understand that and make her understand that you understand. She'll be comfortable w/you then. Same as dating an artsy girl or a rich yuppie girl. Different rules to play by.

- Asians staying w/asian groups. Well it happens everywhere and its mainly a function of proximity and social status. Rich people live in rich areas and make rich friends. Poor people do the same. Middle class people do it too. Don't read too much into it. Its likely due to where the live or work.

There is no doubt that being tall, rich, in shape or good-looking helps BUT thats true of every race. So why is everybody throwing out shit when its indigenous everywhere. By in large, society acts in a similar manner. We are all people and have human flaws and aspirations.

@Dalaran those girls are all 4s to me. I wish I could post some of the girls I've had. It would throw you guys for a loop. I've dated better top-range Asian girls here in the USA, but smashed lots of 6-7 range Asian girls abroad.