[Dalaran1991]

As a Vietnamese player in training who grew up in Vietnam but spends the last 6 years in the West, I would like to chime in a bit.

I agree with other posters that Asian girls (both born abroad or western-born) will either date out or date in with no middle ground. Western born Asian tend to date out exclusively. In their case its not necessarily due to an innate hatred of Asian man. Its about a gigantic desire for social mobility. Asian culture above all else value social status and social acceptance, thats why they will only date white guys or asian guys because statistically and culturally speaking these are the most successful groups. Asian are very aware of their asian descent and thus they are very susceptible to cultural propaganda. Thats why they will occasionally fuck dark men but will not date them long term.

However, when we are talking about higher end western born Asians (Im talking 8-9 with rich parents and upper class background) you will see that they exclusively date or marry Asian guys of the same or higher caliber. Firstly these girls have less to prove and their parents tend to be extremely authoritarian and old-school (rich asian parents are very traditional). Marriages and dating choices in these cases are somewhat dictated by the family, but since their dating pool consists of high value asian men who tends to embody many of the culturally desirable traits (jacked, rich and cool), this works out pretty damn well)

FOB girls or born abroad girls are a bit different. On one hand they have insatiable west fetish. You ever go to Gucci or Louis Vuiton and see swarms of asians there? You bet. This make them incredibly susceptible to white guys, hence all the praise around RVF on how easy Asian girls are. If the girls actually want to stay in the West, 90% of the time they will date white guys only. On the other hand there are FOB girls who only come to study or short term with no intention of staying. These girls have a lot of pressures from their family back at home so they will only date asian guys, but preferably some1 of the same background i.e western minded. "higher" asian like Korean or Jap will not date the "lower" asian like Laos or Vietnam or Filippino.

It should be noted that Asian is the most racist of all culture. Im dead serious. If you go to Asia you will notice theres a strong preference for white people and a strong disdain for blacks. Among all the people I know theres only one girl who date a black and she has to keep it secret. None of my buddies find black Victoria secret models attractive, but we will get hard at a passing blonde 6.5 on the streets. Personally I know 2 asian guys who will reluctantly bang black girls.

All in all if you are a white guy dealing with an average to above average asian, enjoy your pussy paradise. She will fucking worship you, even though she s a bitch to other asian men. The myth of asian feminine and submissiveness is true only to white guys. You would not believe how much the Asian families are run by tyrannical Asian mothers while the dad are pussy whipped.

WARNING: be very careful of the asian girl's ploy to marry you for a visa and your money. Asian girls are generally very calculating and manipulative. If you smell that she s gold digging you, she is.

In the end though, game still trumps everything. Thing is Asian men are among the most beta on the planet. Those fews who have game tends to do even better than whites when it comes to asian pussies.

[nomadicdude]

"Which of course always brings me to the point of..why does any of this matter? How does white knighting for women who happen to be of your race in America help the man as an individual in any way?"

It matters because Asian women are basically the only race on Earth that hates their own men with such a passion and will spread their legs to literally a 5'4 beta white guy just because they have so much self hate. In a place like NYC or CA it is bizarre how many Asian girl- White guy couples you see walking around.

I agree that Asian-American guys need to man up and hit on women more. But I do feel sorry for them because the behavior of Asian women is extreme and cannot be entirely explained by Asian men being pussies. For instance, Asian-American men have the highest education and income levels in the country and women are all whores for money. If any other race had such high income levels I guarantee you they would keep all their women in check just on money alone (i.e. see Indian-Americans). Yet, many Asian women would still prefer a less educated white guy. It simply is because of massive self-hate.

[El Chinito loco]

(08-04-2014 06:05 AM)nomadicdude Wrote:  

It matters because Asian women are basically the only race on Earth that hates their own men with such a passion and will spread their legs to literally a 5'4 beta white guy just because they have so much self hate. In a place like NYC or CA it is bizarre how many Asian girl- White guy couples you see walking around.

Here's why it doesn't matter..

The number of asian women who have told me that they don't date asian men while abroad = zero

It's more or less a westernized asian woman to become this extreme. It's a combination of growing up in anglo culture and being in an environment where asian combined with American style hypergamy is rewarded and encouraged. The racially self loathing and social status climbing goes supernova.

If you just read stuff from the internet you would think it's hilariously impossible to date in the U.S. if you were an asian-american man. This largely isn't true and is up to the individual man's ability as well. The U.S. is certainly not a _good_ place for most asian men to have relationships but then again i'd argue it's not really a good place for most men either.

[BadWolf]

Holy fvck, I didn't realize PUA's were such desperate pricks. In the majority of this guy's videos the women are telling the guy to go away and instead of walking away the guy says some weird sh1t like "NO, IM STAYING, IM STILL HERE!"

I think I can explain some stuff away here: White guys go to China to hookup with Chinese girls. White women teachers are always bewildered by white guys who are in China and only want to hook up with Chinese girls. They get bitter and think they OWN the white men and they complain incessantly about white guys only wanting to date Chinese girls in China. My friends and I have done similar things to white women in Asia, basically telling them to fvck off, or letting them hang around but only as 'friends'.

This guy is bewildered why Asian girls in America only want to date White guys... well I think its basically the same thing, Asian girls seek out white guys from their home countries... Makes perfect sense to me, you want something of quality, GO TO THE SOURCE. Trying to find a needle in a haystack is nearly impossible, why not just go to the needle factory??? You want an Asian girl? Go to the source.

Here's this guy's problem and probably many other Asian guys like him. He doesn't get the dynamic and then proceeds to HOUND the women until they are throwing drinks at him and telling security to kick his ass.. Can you blame them? Fvkk I'd be doing the same thing if some white girls came up behind me and my Asian marks and wouldn't leave me alone. If they started insulting me and calling me a race traitor, they'd be getting a drink in the face too.

The other thing that is in play is that you are only seeing the richest most entitled little sh!ts from the 3rd world. Why are you complaining? You are a rich little emperor trying to game other little emperors... its hilarious. Instead of bitching about how hard it is, go look for a decent quality girl from a piss poor background and you won't get that sh!tty entitled princess attitude. Nice girls don't hang out at nightclubs. Why would you want to have a conversation with a broad in a club where the best thing she has going for her is her boobs. This guy in the videos is simply a desperate try-hard rich kid and this is what happens when a nice guys spends all his time time developing PUA skills only to use it on trashy girls. He complains in his video that the girls are too rude or stupid to have a conversation <--- ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY. Why do you feel as some random guy that you deserve to be spoken to simply because you walk up?

My wife and I were talking and my wife says she'd feel really scared by a guy who is clearly unwanted and won't go away. Do women have a right to feel scared, I think so... I mean he gets pretty aggressive and the butt hurt comes out over and over... if you have to resort to insulting chicks to get their attention, they aren't interested or they're garbage. I know the Chinese guys in China are huge pricks when they see me with my wife, I didn't think the American Chinese were the same way. My wife was almost dragged out of a club by some butt hurt single Chinese guys while they yelled "Race Traitor!" at the top of their lungs.

[WalterBlack]

Here’s my input. I’m not Asian, nor black nor white. I’m brown! Also the term “Asian” is very vague. For FOBs NE Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) are very different to SE Asians (Cambodian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese etc). I think NE Asians have higher standards when it comes to morals and raising kids. As far as I know, NE Asian single mothers (who have never been married) are very rare in the US, whereas for SE Asians it’s not that rare. Nearly every single SE Asian-American woman that I’ve banged has a SE Asian friend who’s a single mother.

Indian-American women don’t generally date white guys for a serious relationship because most Indians actually want to LTR somebody who will respect their parents and extended family. The huge American divorce rate is a big turn off for them.

(08-04-2014 05:15 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I agree with other posters that Asian girls (both born abroad or western-born) will either date out or date in with no middle ground. Western born Asian tend to date out exclusively. In their case its not necessarily due to an innate hatred of Asian man. Its about a gigantic desire for social mobility. Asian culture above all else value social status and social acceptance, thats why they will only date white guys or asian guys because statistically and culturally speaking these are the most successful groups. Asian are very aware of their asian descent and thus they are very susceptible to cultural propaganda. Thats why they will occasionally fuck dark men but will not date them long term.

I disagree with saying that Asian-American women date Asian only or White only. I’ve been with a few who were in LTR with Asian-American guys, and guys of other races too. Some genuinely don’t give a shit about the guy’s race. They go with whoever they like.

(08-04-2014 05:15 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

FOB girls or born abroad girls are a bit different. On one hand they have insatiable west fetish. You ever go to Gucci or Louis Vuiton and see swarms of asians there? You bet. This make them incredibly susceptible to white guys, hence all the praise around RVF on how easy Asian girls are. If the girls actually want to stay in the West, 90% of the time they will date white guys only. On the other hand there are FOB girls who only come to study or short term with no intention of staying. These girls have a lot of pressures from their family back at home so they will only date asian guys, but preferably some1 of the same background i.e western minded. "higher" asian like Korean or Jap will not date the "lower" asian like Laos or Vietnam or Filippino.

I disagree with the fact that Asians are label whore for Gucci and LV makes them more interested in white men. They want those goods because they perceive them to be cooler.

(08-04-2014 05:15 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Thing is Asian men are among the most beta on the planet. Those fews who have game tends to do even better than whites when it comes to asian pussies.

I’ve noticed that there’s a lot of Asian-American guys who are alpha amongst other Asians, but beta amongst non-Asians. I’ve come across a couple of Asian-American guys who I can see slaying Asian pussy, I could see them getting some non-Asian women, but a lot of these guys aren’t interested in non-Asian women, and they tend to run in Asian only circles so they only ever bang Asian women.

There’s also a LOT of beta Asian-American men. I couldn’t imagine these guys with any woman.

I’ve asked a couple of Asian women that I’ve banged before what they about Asian men. Here’s a few quotes:

Chinese-American - “I had some really good looking male cousins growing up, they’re all 6ft tall and cute. I’ve never met any Asian guys who were as good looking as them”. She worked in Shanghai for 6 months and she used to email her friends in the US about the lack of attractive men there. She said she only saw one Chinese guy there that she thought was hot, but she didn’t bang him because he was her boss. In the US she’s slept with Arab, Latino and white guys, but she’s never dated Asian guys because she says she doesn’t find most of them attractive. The first guy she dated was black. She said she would date an Asian guy if he was hot and “manly” (her words).

Japanese-American - “They look like my boring golf playing cousins. They’re super nerdy”. She likes Japanese FOB men but she’s never dated one. She’s dated Persian, Lebanese guys and is in an LTR with a black guy right now. She’s not into white guys.

Cambodian-American – “They’re fucking dirty losers and thugs and treat women like shit [Cambodian men] ”.”Wimps and pussies – they’re too short[Chinese men]”. She’s married to an Indian FOB. She’s banged Indian, Latino and white guys before.

HK Chinese FOB – “Chinese men are not masculine. I can’t see myself with one”

Korean-American – “I hate Korean men, they’re control freaks”

Here’s a few comments from women that I haven’t banged:

Japanese FOB - “Japanese men are too short for me. I’m too tall for them”. She’s 5’7” and had been on dates with white and Hispanic guys.

Singaporean Chinese – “They’re too short, they’re not manly”. She’s divorced – her ex-husband was black and she doesn’t like white guys. She said white guys think all Asian women want them so she avoids them.

[chuslice]

(08-04-2014 04:52 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Here’s my input. I’m not Asian, nor black nor white. I’m brown! Also the term “Asian” is very vague. For FOBs NE Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) are very different to SE Asians (Cambodian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese etc). I think NE Asians have higher standards when it comes to morals and raising kids. As far as I know, NE Asian single mothers (who have never been married) are very rare in the US, whereas for SE Asians it’s not that rare. Nearly every single SE Asian-American woman that I’ve banged has a SE Asian friend who’s a single mother.

Indian-American women don’t generally date white guys for a serious relationship because most Indians actually want to LTR somebody who will respect their parents and extended family. The huge American divorce rate is a big turn off for them.


I disagree with saying that Asian-American women date Asian only or White only. I’ve been with a few who were in LTR with Asian-American guys, and guys of other races too. Some genuinely don’t give a shit about the guy’s race. They go with whoever they like.


I disagree with the fact that Asians are label whore for Gucci and LV makes them more interested in white men. They want those goods because they perceive them to be cooler.


I’ve noticed that there’s a lot of Asian-American guys who are alpha amongst other Asians, but beta amongst non-Asians. I’ve come across a couple of Asian-American guys who I can see slaying Asian pussy, I could see them getting some non-Asian women, but a lot of these guys aren’t interested in non-Asian women, and they tend to run in Asian only circles so they only ever bang Asian women.

There’s also a LOT of beta Asian-American men. I couldn’t imagine these guys with any woman.

I’ve asked a couple of Asian women that I’ve banged before what they about Asian men. Here’s a few quotes:

Chinese-American - “I had some really good looking male cousins growing up, they’re all 6ft tall and cute. I’ve never met any Asian guys who were as good looking as them”. She worked in Shanghai for 6 months and she used to email her friends in the US about the lack of attractive men there. She said she only saw one Chinese guy there that she thought was hot, but she didn’t bang him because he was her boss. In the US she’s slept with Arab, Latino and white guys, but she’s never dated Asian guys because she says she doesn’t find most of them attractive. The first guy she dated was black. She said she would date an Asian guy if he was hot and “manly” (her words).

Japanese-American - “They look like my boring golf playing cousins. They’re super nerdy”. She likes Japanese FOB men but she’s never dated one. She’s dated Persian, Lebanese guys and is in an LTR with a black guy right now. She’s not into white guys.

Cambodian-American – “They’re fucking dirty losers and thugs and treat women like shit [Cambodian men] ”.”Wimps and pussies – they’re too short[Chinese men]”. She’s married to an Indian FOB. She’s banged Indian, Latino and white guys before.

HK Chinese FOB – “Chinese men are not masculine. I can’t see myself with one”

Korean-American – “I hate Korean men, they’re control freaks”

Here’s a few comments from women that I haven’t banged:

Japanese FOB - “Japanese men are too short for me. I’m too tall for them”. She’s 5’7” and had been on dates with white and Hispanic guys.

Singaporean Chinese – “They’re too short, they’re not manly”. She’s divorced – her ex-husband was black and she doesn’t like white guys. She said white guys think all Asian women want them so she avoids them.

so you know 3 or 4 asian-americans and that makes you an expert? asian women born and or raised in the US dont = asians in asia, btw.

there are lots of asian american players on the west coast and in nyc that do very well with women of all races. anyway i'd take your word with a grain of salt, since you couldnt even get laid in japan.

[Onto]

I've been in Jersey City for the past 9 months. Lots of Asian couples. Also many Asian Girl/Ameircan Man couples. Probably more Asian couples though, and I suspect many come over to America together. Will they stay together? If she's staying home, there's a better chance then if she's in the workforce getting lots of male attention.

[WalterBlack]

(08-04-2014 05:32 PM)chuslice Wrote:  

so you know 3 or 4 asian-americans and that makes you an expert? asian women born and or raised in the US dont = asians in asia, btw.

there are lots of asian american players on the west coast and in nyc that do very well with women of all races. anyway i'd take your word with a grain of salt, since you couldnt even get laid in japan.

I don’t claim to be an expert. I’m just stating what I’ve heard from the mouths of Asian women. I do know that Asians & Asian-Americans are different by the way. I’ve been around both types for most of the last 10 years.

I’ve never denied that there are Asian players who do well with women of all races. I’ve come across a few. They’re few and far between though.

I couldn’t get laid in Japan – at least I’m honest about it and I tried.

[El Chinito loco]

(08-04-2014 04:52 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Here’s my input. I’m not Asian, nor black nor white. I’m brown! Also the term “Asian” is very vague. For FOBs NE Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) are very different to SE Asians (Cambodian, Filipino, Thai, Vietnamese etc). I think NE Asians have higher standards when it comes to morals and raising kids. As far as I know, NE Asian single mothers (who have never been married) are very rare in the US, whereas for SE Asians it’s not that rare. Nearly every single SE Asian-American woman that I’ve banged has a SE Asian friend who’s a single mother.

When you meet any foreign woman on U.S. soil the clock is ticking before she's totally Americanized or corrupted to a great extent. So the same FOB that you met overseas as a relatively sweet girl might turn into a monster in <1 year time after living in the U.S.

Her proximity to American women of all types, tons of thirsty betas of all races, and the media will get the hamster spinning real fast. This depends on the girl as an individual of course but the odds are not good that she will retain her personality and culture.

It seems to me like most of these asians girls you mentioned are westernized to varying degrees and on U.S. soil.

I have lived abroad for years now and don't encounter the sort of women you gave anecdotes of.

[ManAbout]

I live in a very Chinese area, so I think I am in a position to generalize.

The hottest Asian girls, i.e. the 8s, 9s, the ones that look like import models, are with good looking, jacked Asian guys most of the time. For every 10, 8 are with these type of guys.

The 6s and 7s, the situations is more varied, with more of them dating other races, but the majority still seem to favour Asians.

The 5s and below are most often with white or black guys.

This is the situation where there is a high concentration of Asians. In other cities where there are fewer Asians, it is likely that the stereotype of Asian girls hating their race is true, but that's not what I am seeing here.

[pros80]

(08-04-2014 08:18 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

Holy fvck, I didn't realize PUA's were such desperate pricks. In the majority of this guy's videos the women are telling the guy to go away and instead of walking away the guy says some weird sh1t like "NO, IM STAYING, IM STILL HERE!"

I think I can explain some stuff away here: White guys go to China to hookup with Chinese girls. White women teachers are always bewildered by white guys who are in China and only want to hook up with Chinese girls. They get bitter and think they OWN the white men and they complain incessantly about white guys only wanting to date Chinese girls in China. My friends and I have done similar things to white women in Asia, basically telling them to fvck off, or letting them hang around but only as 'friends'.

This guy is bewildered why Asian girls in America only want to date White guys... well I think its basically the same thing, Asian girls seek out white guys from their home countries... Makes perfect sense to me, you want something of quality, GO TO THE SOURCE. Trying to find a needle in a haystack is nearly impossible, why not just go to the needle factory??? You want an Asian girl? Go to the source.

Here's this guy's problem and probably many other Asian guys like him. He doesn't get the dynamic and then proceeds to HOUND the women until they are throwing drinks at him and telling security to kick his ass.. Can you blame them? Fvkk I'd be doing the same thing if some white girls came up behind me and my Asian marks and wouldn't leave me alone. If they started insulting me and calling me a race traitor, they'd be getting a drink in the face too.

The other thing that is in play is that you are only seeing the richest most entitled little sh!ts from the 3rd world. Why are you complaining? You are a rich little emperor trying to game other little emperors... its hilarious. Instead of bitching about how hard it is, go look for a decent quality girl from a piss poor background and you won't get that sh!tty entitled princess attitude. Nice girls don't hang out at nightclubs. Why would you want to have a conversation with a broad in a club where the best thing she has going for her is her boobs. This guy in the videos is simply a desperate try-hard rich kid and this is what happens when a nice guys spends all his time time developing PUA skills only to use it on trashy girls. He complains in his video that the girls are too rude or stupid to have a conversation <--- ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY. Why do you feel as some random guy that you deserve to be spoken to simply because you walk up?

My wife and I were talking and my wife says she'd feel really scared by a guy who is clearly unwanted and won't go away. Do women have a right to feel scared, I think so... I mean he gets pretty aggressive and the butt hurt comes out over and over... if you have to resort to insulting chicks to get their attention, they aren't interested or they're garbage. I know the Chinese guys in China are huge pricks when they see me with my wife, I didn't think the American Chinese were the same way. My wife was almost dragged out of a club by some butt hurt single Chinese guys while they yelled "Race Traitor!" at the top of their lungs.

In this video the point he's trying to make is you gotta call these entitled princesses out on their behavior and not put up with it otherwise their attitudes will get worse and worse.

He mentions that they have orbitors who always put up with their behavior and get sat on for a slim chance at a bang.

It seems worth it too put them in their place once in awhile, depends what your willing to put up with to go for a lay.

[Chewbacon]

(08-04-2014 10:27 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

I live in a very Chinese area, so I think I am in a position to generalize.

The hottest Asian girls, i.e. the 8s, 9s, the ones that look like import models, are with good looking, jacked Asian guys most of the time. For every 10, 8 are with these type of guys.

The 6s and 7s, the situations is more varied, with more of them dating other races, but the majority still seem to favour Asians.

The 5s and below are most often with white or black guys.

This is the situation where there is a high concentration of Asians. In other cities where there are fewer Asians, it is likely that the stereotype of Asian girls hating their race is true, but that's not what I am seeing here.

This.

I have encountered a few asian girls who manifestly discriminated against asian men. Not one ever hit above a 6 or 7.

I used to think that if an asian girl dated a non-asian it meant that she didn't like asian men. Not true - my last two asian gfs dated white guys before me.

Also, it is just me, or are the non-asians on this forum making a way bigger deal about how much "self-hate" asian women have than the actual asians on this forum? Yeah, there is asian female self-hate, it's a non-neglible minority, but if things were really that bad I would have never gotten laid in this country.

[Tengen]

When I read the thread title I thought it was about Asian women breaking down:

[Dalaran1991]

Psychologically its very understandable. I said it in my earlier post and Im saying it again: The more average the girl, the more she has to prove. The best way for an Asian 5 to rocket her value is to be seen with a beta white guy. Sure she could snatch an asian guy too but since the effort is the same why not get some white cock. This is the ugly nature of women: they want every other girls who are prettier than her to know that she too can snare a bitchboy.

This is also why its less frequent to see extremely hot upper class asian girls with white guys. These girls have nothing to prove and they dont need shit. Why get with a white dude (even rich, jacked, cool white dudes) when she has access to rich jacked cool Asian guys who might be more culturally compatible with her? My gf is a rich ass Korean lawschool student. She doesnt mind white guys but she hates how they are culturally retarded and cant even use fucking chopstick.

Ive come to see average asian girls who hate asian guys as sore losers. They know they are not attractive to asian men so they pre-emptively reject them all as a way of protecting their twisted ego. Best way to protect yourself from rejection is to say I dont even want it in the first place. I really feel pity for the white chumps who got tagged along by these girls. Stupid zuckenberg......

[iknowexactly]

(08-04-2014 04:52 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Here’s a few comments from women that I haven’t banged:

Japanese FOB - “Japanese men are too short for me. I’m too tall for them”. She’s 5’7” and had been on dates with white and Hispanic guys.

Singaporean Chinese – “They’re too short, they’re not manly”. She’s divorced – her ex-husband was black and she doesn’t like white guys. She said white guys think all Asian women want them so she avoids them.

+1 Rep point for specific ethnographic style reporting on what women said in private conversation.

They are still going to self-censor relative to what they think you want to hear, but one can read between the lines between the lines (that's not a typo) .

[Deluge]

(08-04-2014 10:27 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

I live in a very Chinese area, so I think I am in a position to generalize.

The hottest Asian girls, i.e. the 8s, 9s, the ones that look like import models, are with good looking, jacked Asian guys most of the time. For every 10, 8 are with these type of guys.

The 6s and 7s, the situations is more varied, with more of them dating other races, but the majority still seem to favour Asians.

The 5s and below are most often with white or black guys.

This is the situation where there is a high concentration of Asians. In other cities where there are fewer Asians, it is likely that the stereotype of Asian girls hating their race is true, but that's not what I am seeing here.

Not Asian, but I'm in a city with a large Asian population. Speaking strictly about Western born ones, like a few of you I've also noticed it's the less attractive Asian girls who act self-hating about their race. I've always suspected it's because compared to say white people, there's less alpha Asian dudes and more thin Asian girls, which means most of the girls will never be able to land an alpha/attractive guy of their own race, and they are acutely aware of that. No doubt the jacked tattooed Asian dudes in my gym benefit heavily from this. Anyway, these mediocre Asian girls have to rationalize their inability to land one by acting like and/or convincing themselves that they never liked Asian guys in the first place as a means of ego preservation. I say this because I know a few plain jane Asian chicks who acted like they'd rather die then date an Asian dude, up until an attractive Asian guy actually showed them interest for once.

[Hamsterchoker]

(08-05-2014 06:02 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 04:52 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Here’s a few comments from women that I haven’t banged:

Japanese FOB - “Japanese men are too short for me. I’m too tall for them”. She’s 5’7” and had been on dates with white and Hispanic guys.

Singaporean Chinese – “They’re too short, they’re not manly”. She’s divorced – her ex-husband was black and she doesn’t like white guys. She said white guys think all Asian women want them so she avoids them.

+1 Rep point for specific ethnographic style reporting on what women said in private conversation.

They are still going to self-censor relative to what they think you want to hear, but one can read between the lines between the lines (that's not a typo) .

And here's what some have told me when I was in Taiwan:

Hipster Taiwanese girl 5.5: "I call Asian guys sissy guys because they are sissies. I hate getting approached by these sissies in the club"

HB7: "I just think my personality mess better with white guys"

Cute looking girl: "All Asian girls belong to white guys!" (jokingly)
Girl 3: "Hahaha, yeah!"

And an Asian American: "Omg! I would never date an Asian guy! They are so girly!"

Their usual reason for their preference is that their personality just tend to mesh better with white guys than Asian guys. I can see where they are coming from. There is a smaller difference between the personality of Asian (American or not) girls and white girls than there is between an Asian (American or not) guys and white guys. When a girl is westernized, her personality becomes more extraverted, which is incongruent with the typical quiter and timid personality of Asian guys.

[Akula]

(08-05-2014 05:11 AM)Tengen Wrote:  

When I read the thread title I thought it was about Asian women breaking down:

lol that's fucking awesome!

[BadWolf]

This is why Asian guys don't get laid as much, very tribal. I mean seriously guys, just cause she doesn't want to date Asian doesn't make her less of a person. Would you go to Asia if you wanted to date an American woman? I'm pretty sure Asian girls find us as attractive as we find them.

Quote:

In this video the point he's trying to make is you gotta call these entitled princesses out on their behavior and not put up with it otherwise their attitudes will get worse and worse.

All I heard them say was "I don't date Asian guys".

I'm pretty sure this is why the Asian girls don't really want to have anything to do with Asian guys. Would you want to date a girl that feels it necessary to call you out for dating another race? The second thing is that in Asian culture (more so Chinese), women are second class citizens and reminded as such for eternity by their parents. My wife is a perfect example, the brother was spoiled, given pretty much every resource and was the perfect child (even though he drinks, smokes and doesn't take care of his kid). My wife on the other hand was tossed aside, told she was worthless and a detriment to the family. It's pretty common knowledge that everyone prefers a son in China. Kind of the same here in Canada, everyone prefers a woman... they catch all the breaks, they get patted on the back in schools, they have access to all sorts of funding and school programs and they call us out whenever we don't succeed at anything. Everything is done to please women in North America and they feel entitled to knock anyone down that doesn't subscribe to this... I can fully sympathize with Asian women, I also don't ever want to date a white woman and my response would be exactly the same as the women in the video.

After having taught in China, I am not surprised that the Japanese and Chinese populations are in serious decline. Who the hell wants to marry the little emperor? Super spoiled kids that think they are entitled to everything, they put American entitlement to shame.

This comes right out of the video at 1:24: "If you can study biochem for 2 hours straight you can stare me in the eye for 20 seconds, its not that hard"

Are these the kinds of lines that Chinese guys use on girls? The more you guys yell at them, the more you are pushing them away. This kind of line isn't demonstrating higher value. I saw this guy tap a couple of the girls on the shoulder when he did his approach or just come up right behind them. If I don't give you permission to touch me, you shouldn't be doing that... its pretty clear from the subtext, none of these women were giving this guy IOIs. Wherever these guys are learning their game from, they are learning it WRONG. The first video was of 3 or 4 of them in a pack, tracking down a girl who made it pretty clear she wasn't interested, then shouting at her till she called security... how does this get you closer to a number or a lay? The Chinese guys that I've seen get women, don't do weird sh1t like that, they have natural game, they don't try and meet women in nightclubs and they don't spend any time on trying to game spoiled brats. I'm curious why people want to have 'conversations' in nightclubs anyway? Nightclubs are for DANCING. Conversations are for day game. I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now that America is the worst place to pickup ANY kind of women, the odds are stacked against you dating inside your own race.

It's like flipping a coin and getting pissed off when you lose 50% of the time.

[Hamsterchoker]

(08-05-2014 07:34 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

This is why Asian guys don't get laid as much, very tribal. I mean seriously guys, just cause she doesn't want to date Asian doesn't make her less of a person. Would you go to Asia if you wanted to date an American woman? I'm pretty sure Asian girls find us as attractive as we find them.

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In this video the point he's trying to make is you gotta call these entitled princesses out on their behavior and not put up with it otherwise their attitudes will get worse and worse.

All I heard them say was "I don't date Asian guys".

I'm pretty sure this is why the Asian girls don't really want to have anything to do with Asian guys. Would you want to date a girl that feels it necessary to call you out for dating another race? The second thing is that in Asian culture (more so Chinese), women are second class citizens and reminded as such for eternity by their parents. My wife is a perfect example, the brother was spoiled, given pretty much every resource and was the perfect child (even though he drinks, smokes and doesn't take care of his kid). My wife on the other hand was tossed aside, told she was worthless and a detriment to the family. It's pretty common knowledge that everyone prefers a son in China. Kind of the same here in Canada, everyone prefers a woman... they catch all the breaks, they get patted on the back in schools, they have access to all sorts of funding and school programs and they call us out whenever we don't succeed at anything. Everything is done to please women in North America and they feel entitled to knock anyone down that doesn't subscribe to this... I can fully sympathize with Asian women, I also don't ever want to date a white woman and my response would be exactly the same as the women in the video.

After having taught in China, I am not surprised that the Japanese and Chinese populations are in serious decline. Who the hell wants to marry the little emperor? Super spoiled kids that think they are entitled to everything, they put American entitlement to shame.

This comes right out of the video at 1:24: "If you can study biochem for 2 hours straight you can stare me in the eye for 20 seconds, its not that hard"

Are these the kinds of lines that Chinese guys use on girls? The more you guys yell at them, the more you are pushing them away. This kind of line isn't demonstrating higher value. I saw this guy tap a couple of the girls on the shoulder when he did his approach or just come up right behind them. If I don't give you permission to touch me, you shouldn't be doing that... its pretty clear from the subtext, none of these women were giving this guy IOIs. Wherever these guys are learning their game from, they are learning it WRONG. The first video was of 3 or 4 of them in a pack, tracking down a girl who made it pretty clear she wasn't interested, then shouting at her till she called security... how does this get you closer to a number or a lay? The Chinese guys that I've seen get women, don't do weird sh1t like that, they have natural game, they don't try and meet women in nightclubs and they don't spend any time on trying to game spoiled brats. I'm curious why people want to have 'conversations' in nightclubs anyway? Nightclubs are for DANCING. Conversations are for day game. I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now that America is the worst place to pickup ANY kind of women, the odds are stacked against you dating inside your own race.

It's like flipping a coin and getting pissed off when you lose 50% of the time.

This goes both ways. The Chinese girls I've met all act like little princesses. In fact, I would say the Chinese girls have a much worse entitled attitude than the Chinese guys. With their one child policy and parents want to have boys, there is a shortage of women in China, and the ones who are cute or above get the beta orbiting and princess treatment and develop attitudes that put even the American bitches to shame. Of course, you won't see that as a white guy because they would treat you way differently than how they would treat Chinese guys. More commonly, the girls see themselves as queens and treat the Chinese guys as their butlers. For every 1 little Chinese emperor, there are 10 of these bitch queens.

[Chewbacon]

(08-05-2014 06:29 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(08-04-2014 10:27 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

I live in a very Chinese area, so I think I am in a position to generalize.

The hottest Asian girls, i.e. the 8s, 9s, the ones that look like import models, are with good looking, jacked Asian guys most of the time. For every 10, 8 are with these type of guys.

The 6s and 7s, the situations is more varied, with more of them dating other races, but the majority still seem to favour Asians.

The 5s and below are most often with white or black guys.

This is the situation where there is a high concentration of Asians. In other cities where there are fewer Asians, it is likely that the stereotype of Asian girls hating their race is true, but that's not what I am seeing here.

Not Asian, but I'm in a city with a large Asian population. Speaking strictly about Western born ones, like a few of you I've also noticed it's the less attractive Asian girls who act self-hating about their race. I've always suspected it's because compared to say white people, there's less alpha Asian dudes and more thin Asian girls, which means most of the girls will never be able to land an alpha/attractive guy of their own race, and they are acutely aware of that. No doubt the jacked tattooed Asian dudes in my gym benefit heavily from this. Anyway, these mediocre Asian girls have to rationalize their inability to land one by acting like and/or convincing themselves that they never liked Asian guys in the first place as a means of ego preservation. I say this because I know a few plain jane Asian chicks who acted like they'd rather die then date an Asian dude, up until an attractive Asian guy actually showed them interest for once.

Whenever I go dumpster diving with an asian chick - and sadly, I am not above it at times - i am always told that I am the first asian guy she has hooked up with. So maybe there is truth to the point that their self-hate is a form of ego-preservation and rationalization.

Also, what's missing here about the "pity the asian guy" narrative is that a lot of asian guys have really high standards. Sometimes/often unrealistic, but that's the reality. There are many asian girls who do not match up to it, or don't enjoy the pressure to conform to the asian ideal.

[Hamsterchoker]

Well, the Asian parents keep on telling their boys to just get good grades in schools and get into top ranked schools then to a good job, then their lives will be all set, including having a beautiful wife. Then all these boys get crazy belief like if they get good grades, then they deserve pretty girlfriends. But really, the parents are just teaching their sons to be nerdy losers.

[Chewbacon]

(08-05-2014 08:25 AM)Hamsterchoker Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 07:34 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

This is why Asian guys don't get laid as much, very tribal. I mean seriously guys, just cause she doesn't want to date Asian doesn't make her less of a person. Would you go to Asia if you wanted to date an American woman? I'm pretty sure Asian girls find us as attractive as we find them.

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In this video the point he's trying to make is you gotta call these entitled princesses out on their behavior and not put up with it otherwise their attitudes will get worse and worse.

All I heard them say was "I don't date Asian guys".

I'm pretty sure this is why the Asian girls don't really want to have anything to do with Asian guys. Would you want to date a girl that feels it necessary to call you out for dating another race? The second thing is that in Asian culture (more so Chinese), women are second class citizens and reminded as such for eternity by their parents. My wife is a perfect example, the brother was spoiled, given pretty much every resource and was the perfect child (even though he drinks, smokes and doesn't take care of his kid). My wife on the other hand was tossed aside, told she was worthless and a detriment to the family. It's pretty common knowledge that everyone prefers a son in China. Kind of the same here in Canada, everyone prefers a woman... they catch all the breaks, they get patted on the back in schools, they have access to all sorts of funding and school programs and they call us out whenever we don't succeed at anything. Everything is done to please women in North America and they feel entitled to knock anyone down that doesn't subscribe to this... I can fully sympathize with Asian women, I also don't ever want to date a white woman and my response would be exactly the same as the women in the video.

After having taught in China, I am not surprised that the Japanese and Chinese populations are in serious decline. Who the hell wants to marry the little emperor? Super spoiled kids that think they are entitled to everything, they put American entitlement to shame.

This comes right out of the video at 1:24: "If you can study biochem for 2 hours straight you can stare me in the eye for 20 seconds, its not that hard"

Are these the kinds of lines that Chinese guys use on girls? The more you guys yell at them, the more you are pushing them away. This kind of line isn't demonstrating higher value. I saw this guy tap a couple of the girls on the shoulder when he did his approach or just come up right behind them. If I don't give you permission to touch me, you shouldn't be doing that... its pretty clear from the subtext, none of these women were giving this guy IOIs. Wherever these guys are learning their game from, they are learning it WRONG. The first video was of 3 or 4 of them in a pack, tracking down a girl who made it pretty clear she wasn't interested, then shouting at her till she called security... how does this get you closer to a number or a lay? The Chinese guys that I've seen get women, don't do weird sh1t like that, they have natural game, they don't try and meet women in nightclubs and they don't spend any time on trying to game spoiled brats. I'm curious why people want to have 'conversations' in nightclubs anyway? Nightclubs are for DANCING. Conversations are for day game. I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now that America is the worst place to pickup ANY kind of women, the odds are stacked against you dating inside your own race.

It's like flipping a coin and getting pissed off when you lose 50% of the time.

This goes both ways. The Chinese girls I've met all act like little princesses. In fact, I would say the Chinese girls have a much worse entitled attitude than the Chinese guys. With their one child policy and parents want to have boys, there is a shortage of women in China, and the ones who are cute or above get the beta orbiting and princess treatment and develop attitudes that put even the American bitches to shame. Of course, you won't see that as a white guy because they would treat you way differently than how they would treat Chinese guys. More commonly, the girls see themselves as queens and treat the Chinese guys as their butlers. For every 1 little Chinese emperor, there are 10 of these bitch queens.

This. And I say this as someone who has benefited from having safe harbor from Chinese princess syndrome given my ABC status.

Also, Badwolf, you can't compare how asian guys in asia act with asian guys in the U.S. Totally different upbringings, for the most part.

Even so, there is nothing wrong with a tribalistic attitude. That is how most of the world works, and how most cultures work. Don't tell me asians are the only ones who are territorial about their women. Have you been to the middle east? At the end of the day, there is a conquest and property element to women. Even we on rooshv promote that kind of a framework. Should we act all indignant when a foreign culture starts getting defensive about a valuable resource of their own? What, are we entitled to asian pussy now by virtue of being white? Asian guys have no obligation to make it easier for non-asians to get asian girls. It's easy enough as it is.

[Chewbacon]

(08-05-2014 10:35 AM)Hamsterchoker Wrote:  

Well, the Asian parents keep on telling their boys to just get good grades in schools and get into top ranked schools then to a good job, then their lives will be all set, including having a beautiful wife. Then all these boys get crazy belief like if they get good grades, then they deserve pretty girlfriends. But really, the parents are just teaching their sons to be nerdy losers.

Yeah, that's definitely true. I have observed it with some jewish friends as well, who think serendipity will reward them for their years of hard work, multiple ivy league degrees, and friend zoned frustration.

What's funny is that if you look at what a lot of asian girls like - a beta white guy - it's not hard to get your game up to a level to exploit that if you already have a solid career foundation. Just up your style, become more social, and be more dominant than a beta white guy. That's not that hard.

[BadWolf]

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Even so, there is nothing wrong with a tribalistic attitude. That is how most of the world works, and how most cultures work. Don't tell me asians are the only ones who are territorial about their women. Have you been to the middle east? At the end of the day, there is a conquest and property element to women. Even we on rooshv promote that kind of a framework. Should we act all indignant when a foreign culture starts getting defensive about a valuable resource of their own? What, are we entitled to asian pussy now by virtue of being white? Asian guys have no obligation to make it easier for non-asians to get asian girls. It's easy enough as it is.

I think that's all part of the Asian programming. If you want white women, I've no doubt that the large majority of white guys would be happy to drop ship them to you at no cost.

Here's another dynamic

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Whenever I go dumpster diving with an asian chick - and sadly, I am not above it at times - i am always told that I am the first asian guy she has hooked up with. So maybe there is truth to the point that their self-hate is a form of ego-preservation and rationalization.

Also, what's missing here about the "pity the asian guy" narrative is that a lot of asian guys have really high standards. Sometimes/often unrealistic, but that's the reality. There are many asian girls who do not match up to it, or don't enjoy the pressure to conform to the asian ideal.

by Chinese beauty standards my wife is a dog and she's well aware of it after having more than a couple people tell her about it. Yet when I look at her I see a little 10 walking around. The only thing I can guess is that Chinese eyes are different from western eyes, you must see something I don't. In my wife's 25 years in China she has never had a boyfriend other than myself and said that she was too ugly in school to get picked. I feel her on that level, I was Napolean Dynamite in high school and women treated me like nuclear waste. The fact that my wife thinks I'm handsome both blows me away and makes me really happy. I'd much rather be with a girl that wets her panties thinking about me then some chick I have to lay game on to 'convince her' to look my way. I don't think Asian guys 'get that', they seem to think that our relationships are based on face/money, where neither is really true. An Asian girl gets no face in my marriage and in my case, my wife gets 0 money from marrying me but she's the happiest little girl you'd ever meet.

So there is certainly that in play as well. What Asian men call a dumpster, white men call a buffet. Again I absolutely hate all food in China, I look at white rice and want to puke. My Chinese friends can sit all day and wolf down a dog casserole, chicken feet, pigs ear, cold fish, cold eggs and tomato mash and salty pies with a glass of hot water to wash it down. While that may sound appetizing to you, its absolutely disgusting for me...

Different tastes.