[Misael.281]

Hey everyone, I just read an article on ROK (http://www.returnofkings.com/40368/10-ti...ina-online) which mentions how the asshole game doesn't work for foreign girls like it does to American bitches. The thing is that I'm mexican, and in Mexico relationships and the whole courtship thing is way different than here on the US. In Mexico one can show a lot of chivalry, some beta acts that are prohibited to pull with white chicks, and actually look good I front of girls. Right now I'm seeing this Mexican girl and everything is going good and I've actually thought about getting into a relationship with her but I've been sort of used to the American dating world that I'm sort of mixed up on how to behave if I do get into a relationship with her. I'm not a needy guy and I consider myself pretty charming. What are your thought on relationship game with non U.S girls?

[ASOT]

Lots of Latinas have told me that they hate the machismo of the Latinos. But equally I've seen that in relationships it is the Latinas who wear the pants with the guys slowly being converted into obedient lap dogs and the women in the long term getting fat and losing their beauty, both maintain amiguitos in the side and cheating isn't too common, but there is always that prospect waiting on the side (en Colombia se llamen 'arrocitos en bajo').

I think by acting beta you will be destroyed by a Latina.

What worked for me during a couple mini relationships was to act the same way I act in Australia but to give more complements of her beauty and personality and to pay for everything. This should be the extent of the 'beta'.

Otherwise make sure you call the shots, you take the lead and make a date fun, you fuck her brains out, you make her feel good, pretty but don't do things to the extent where you feel like its a one sided deal, don't give her the chance to make decisions regularly. Make her serve you, cook for you, a massage before bed.

Personally this works out for me well because I like to make a girl feel good, I like to see a girl happy. But I don't like to be the one taking orders and bending over backwards to serve her. Funnily enough it seems to work out best for both.

Please don't act beta you will ruin the Latinas for all us foreigners who travel and live in Latin America. Just decide what standards you expect, give to her what you want and demand what you need to maintain these standards.

Suerte.

[BadWolf]

You don't have to use any game on Chinese women... a simple "Hello" is usually enough to get panties to drop.

[Beyond Borders]

I treat Asian girlfriends way, way different than I'd ever treat an American broad. More like the local guys would be expected to treat them.

When in Rome...

That's just me though. These women are often looking for something different when dating a foreigner, and plenty of guys just conduct business as usual.

[RXB]

Overseas "Nice guy with some balls" is a really effective move.

When girls are polite and interested in pleasing you acting like a boar doesn't get much mileage. You kind of have to show more emotion, I actually use smiley faces on foreign chicas, and interest than you would in the States.

Insults as a sign of attraction are basically a western thing. If you tried to emulate Tucker Max's game while in Latina America, or Asia I'm guessing, you'd turn off most of the women who were interested in you.

[simondice]

When I came to the U.S from Cali, Colombia I was in a cultural shock (to an extend)

Colombian girls are definitely more feminine and submissive, but you have to be hardass in order to keep them in check, otherwise they are going to act up and get bitchy ( or how they say in Colombia "si se deja, se la montan")

Cocky aloof game works wonders with Latinas, because Latinas are very vain themselves and think it's harmless and fun to banter and chase these guys. Latinas LOVE being teased but Latinas HATE asshole game that works wonders with American white girls. Latinas like a little sarcasm but it's nowhere near as needed as for American girls.

[Biologist]

My game definitely changes depending on where I am.

In terms of gaming overseas, my experience is limited to South-East Asia/East Asia and to an extent, Western Europe.

In South-East Asia/East Asia, I have found that best game to use is "decent, career-focussed provider guy" game. This is not to say that you should have beta tendencies (far from it actually). The girls seems to respond very positively to guys who are educated and career-focussed, and are willing to play a provider role, whilst at the same time being assertive and confident.

In contrast, at home in Australia, I have found the best game to employ is "clown" game. Looking back, just about every time I have bedded a girl here was the result of me being overly talkative, energetic, and making a huge effort to be funny.

[Rubio93]

I concur regarding Colombia, a lot of what is considered as playing around in the US will really offend a woman here. It depends a lot on location here because cultures vary a lot, but in general Colombians are very well-spoken polite people and if you speak even remotely harshly to a woman she'll get butthurt and chances are she'll cancel you quickly.

For a more practical example, it's a rule of thumb with an American girl to NOT compliment her at ALL until after you've been with her. In Colombia people are a lot more fast and loose with compliments, it's kind of the done thing here, so if you followed that rule here you'd just be considered crass and rude.

Most Colombian girls are taught by their mothers and older women to try and make men CRAZY for them to the point where they will open a vein in front of them just to get their attention. Part of game here is understanding that mentality and playing along, but not going too far. It's the same balancing act as in the US, but the point of (cultural) equilibrium has shifted.

[iknowexactly]

(07-27-2014 04:11 AM)Rubio93 Wrote:  

I concur regarding Colombia, ......in general Colombians are very well-spoken polite people and if you speak even remotely harshly to a woman she'll get butthurt ...........It's the same balancing act as in the US, but the point of (cultural) equilibrium has shifted.

+1 Happy to give first rep point for articulate and sensitive analysis of culture differences.

To contrast, here's an example of how to please an American woman.

"Are you looking like a whore today on purpose?"
"hissy hissy hissy with smile"
"Oh, but you look like an EXPENSIVE whore"
<self-satisfied grin...strips>

[Constitution45]

Good thread, Western girls like clowns or guys who are very extroverted, either that or bad boys who look like they could deal drugs and kill someone. EE like the confident alpha but not the clown, someone who has got their shit together and is aloof. Chinese girls want nice guys who have confidence. Generally I say that you don't need much game when it comes to foreign women. If you have a strong frame and your shit together in life, you will do very well.

[Rubio93]

Colombia is still part of the West... we need to get that crystal clear. ALL of Latin America is. These countries' civilizations are based in Rome and Greece the same as North America and Europe.

The difference is mainly Catholic vs Protestant as far as culture goes... different reality tunnels...

[iknowexactly]

(07-27-2014 06:52 PM)Rubio93 Wrote:  

Colombia is still part of the West... we need to get that crystal clear. ALL of Latin America is. These countries' civilizations are based in Rome and Greece the same as North America and Europe.

The difference is mainly Catholic vs Protestant as far as culture goes... different reality tunnels...

Interesting differentiation...especially as I get nowhere in USA (protestant) vs being loved in the Philppines.....(where I fly to End of August )
Would you elaborate more?

Do you put Orthodox in the middle in you model?

[mbare]

To answer your question, yes I'd say my game changes to a degree depending on the region or country. Here are some general observations I wrote about on my European Data Sheet.

"To break it down even more, in my opinion light banter, jokes, confidence/slight cockiness, having fun, and dressing well will open up many doors to success with women in Europe. Heavy banter, passing shit test, and cockiness will open up your success in the States. Neither of these basic methods/traits are absolutes of course, but just a difference I've noticed since being back. I think if you have the traits that make you successful with American girls, you'll probably do just fine in Europe. Now that I'm in the States, I feel to some degree that developing my style of game over there, has hindered me slightly with the Cali girls. I've been adjusting, and had success, but will admit I still have some work to do. I'd say the main thing is that, for lack of better terms, my European style of game was more consistent and successful, than here in the States. However, I have been to a few other cities around the States and pulled on short trips, so who knows...maybe it's just SoCal. It is what it is...adapt and overcome."

Thing is, is that since posting this, I have adapted more and more to American style game, and have a nice little harem going now. So I'd say it was my initial approach that was lacking when I first moved back to America. When I think back about it, I'd say I still enjoyed meeting new girls and going out a bit more in Europe, especially solo.

And I wouldn't confuse gentlemanly/charismatic traits with being beta. It all depends on the delivery, timing, and how you set the standard of respect from the get go when first meeting a girl.

Then as the relationship moves along, if your chick gets out of line-should be rare if you set the tone from the beginning-then you have to "slap" that behavior down. The old giv'em an inch they'll take a mile will bite you in the ass, if you don't make it known to them you're not accepting their behavior, attitude, etc. I'd venture to say this can be used with girls from any country.

[Rubio93]

(07-27-2014 09:43 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 06:52 PM)Rubio93 Wrote:  

Colombia is still part of the West... we need to get that crystal clear. ALL of Latin America is. These countries' civilizations are based in Rome and Greece the same as North America and Europe.

The difference is mainly Catholic vs Protestant as far as culture goes... different reality tunnels...

Interesting differentiation...especially as I get nowhere in USA (protestant) vs being loved in the Philppines.....(where I fly to End of August )
Would you elaborate more?

Do you put Orthodox in the middle in you model?

I don't really feel qualified to comment on the Philippines, because they are deeply Catholic but they also have their own thing going on mixed with it. In some ways they are identical to Latin Americans, in other ways they would surprise me I'm sure.

Not to mention, I've ALWAYS found it easy to pull in the USA so I don't have much perspective, as well I don't know your specific situation. All I can say is that success is proof, and you're obviously doing the smart thing, going where you're wanted!

[Rubio93]

I think also it wouldn't do any harm to point out, I think we're really talking about POST-Catholic and POST-Protestant countries here.... religion doesn't hold much sway over people anymore. But certain aspects of the culture remain, and many of these are very consistent from Colombia, Peru DR, to Brazil, even Quebec and one could count New Orleans in this as well... all of these are "Latin" places to me...

There are advantages and disadvantages to both systems. The Anglo/Protestant places have women who will tend to either like you and let you know about it, or they're not interested and let you know about it. The game is super efficient in these places, and flaking still exists but it's much less of a problem. New York for example is an extreme example of this, despite the fact it's full of Latin people and Caribbean people. New York has a very strong cultural imprint that tends to get stamped on people who have more than a few years under their belt living there no matter what their background is. And frankly the #1 thing I miss about living in NYC is THAT... the ultra-directness and straightforwardness of people.

The Catholic countries have a very different outlook on life. They are much more about APPEARANCES, and tend not to take things so seriously. This is the number one consideration for a US or Canadian expat here IMO BTW. You just can't take things at face value here. So for example, divorce rates here are extremely low, but infidelity is through the roof! The prevailing attitude here is that rules are made to be broken, you just have to be discreet about it, don't make waves.

The fact is, almost ANY woman here in Colombia is up for grabs IF you know how to approach the situation properly. The caveat is that it's very hard to pin a woman down here. The vast majority of Colombians go straight from living with their parents/siblings to living with their spouse and having kids. There's even some overlap often where a newly married couple lives with inlaws and saves up for the down payment on a place. And of course, for most of these women, regardless of their situation, staying overnight is NOT an option; they could seriously wind up going home to find their shit packed outside and the front door locked and nobody answering it!! And I know women here WELL into their 20s who still have 8pm and 9pm curfews! Of course if they're married, it's that much more complicated, and if they have kids etc. etc.

In short, to reference the Manhattan logistics thread, here it's the exact opposite. For a woman to bang you here, she has to make up an excuse, lie to her whole family or almost all of them, perhaps call in sick from work, she'll NEVER have the luxury of bringing you back to her place, you'll do it at your place or get a love motel (these places are all over the city and do real good business for a reason!!) I mean literally I couldn't even count the number of women I've fucked since moving here six years ago, and exactly TWO times did we bang at her place. Once, I was in a swinging but STEADY LTR with a girl and we were at the inlaws and her mom loves me to pieces so she didn't care (no other bf was ever allowed to do this btw), and once it was a girl renting a room in a house and it sucked because she was embarassed that her roommates might hear us. All the rest of my bangs have either been at my place, or the very odd time behind a tree in a park at night, or in a bar bathroom etc. Mostly it's here though because it's so not a big deal for me to bring people here. Colombian women under 30 are usually VERY familiar with the love hotels and bar bathrooms, however, because those are literally their only options in many MANY cases.

Add to this that many Colombian women even though their panties are soaking wet from thinking about you, they often don't let it show because they're afraid of being branded a slut, much more so than their typical North American counterpart. This however, is VERY much city dependent. Women in Cali are much more direct, for example. In general, the warmer the climate, the less the women dissimulate their interest, but this is not a very consistent rule. Ibagué and Cartagena, for example are two examples of cities where women are VERY discreet about things.

I have a Colombian friend (the same guy who swears by Tinder) who teaches at a public school here, and in two years he's banged four of his students, including popping one cherry. Because nothing is permitted and everything is permitted, lines of appropriateness that would be set in stone elsewhere are extremely fucking blurred here. Workplace bangs are also common here, although personally that is one part of the local culture I refuse to adopt: just too messy for my tastes, and I like to keep my personal and professional lives separate.

And of course the quality of Colombian women is incomparable, moreover, the AVERAGE quality of Colombian women is incredibly high. In these cultures, women take care of themselves a lot more, dress to kill, long flowing silken hair is de rigeur here. All Latin cultures exhibit this to an extent. By US standards Colombian women "look like whores" but of course nobody reading this is going to complain about that!!

In short, the advantages of these environments are, MUCH greater avaialability of bangs, and higher quality. The disadvantages are the flakiness, and the massive logistical obstacles that many times need to be overcome to do the deed, combined with the fact that women here are not as obvious about their interest and can be harder to read.

[xmlenigma]

Brilliant write up. This thread deserves more such quality info on cultural differences & contradictions in values, appearances and actual actions