[amity]

From a recent post by CH, I read the line "expect an epidemic of mental illness among our wired women in the coming years".
I would have scoffed at this remark, not so long ago.
But I have to say, in recent times, I'm seeing more and more evidence, that this is the case.
Case in point, an ex of mine, who I'm in touch with sporadically.
She has all the hallmarks of future spinsterdom:
Career woman, owns cats, vegatarian, leftist views on most things, former slutdom in her teens and twenties whence she rode the cock carousel with several alphas and turned down a few decent beta providers(including me) along the way.
Was in touch with said woman recently, and she is a mess (despite her career success).
Depressed, empty, single, unsatisfied with life, sceptical and somewhat scornful of social media but still uses it to her advantage, health issues (not helped by vegetarianism), touchy, lacking empathy, delusional, illogical, immune to advice.
At one point, I stayed in touch to see if I could hit it one more time, but (thankfully) my attraction is fading, when I see this woman disintegrating before my eyes.
It's sad to see.
On one level, I feel sorry for the girl but on another level, I think 'You reap what you sow'.
Actions have consequences, and this woman's gradual inexorable decline is evidence of this.
This is what feminism has and is creating.
A legion of "empowered independent women" who will ultimately end up alone, barren and unhappy.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Points which exacerbate the decline:

- more Red Pill aware men or at least more Game aware men despite constant attack by media and feminism
- thus less clueless Betas to fall back upon - at least they will refuse to marry and then check DNA with child
- economic decline - thus less men who will be able to support family
- economic decline and Men-cession - more jobs created for women in government and administration
- less men who are making more money than women will mean even worse opportunities for hypergamy
- more divorce rape, legal child-theft will leave men even more careful to tie the knot with any woman
- harder carousel-riding and even later marriage dates - automatic decline of fertility
- falling fertility for both men and women via toxic food
- falling fertility / degeneration of eggs for women due to increased alcohol consumption and smoking (alcohol permeates almost all body tissues and women don't produce new eggs like men do with sperm)
- increased propaganda via media, academia & politics: more career women, more sluts, more aging sluts (sexual peak at 35 - soon they might say that women reach the sexual peak around 45)
- also increased number of Players or Part-time Players - since those guys are usually highly attractive to women, it decreases their hypergamous marriage-pool


There will be no winners in this.
Players will do fine, if they don't become bitter and jaded (London Daygame.com school is actually doing good teaching guys to use game out of a feeling of love instead of bitterness - in a way spreading a bit of fun).
Those who pull away use Game and manage to build a strong Red Pill Family unit will do fine too.
Some MGTOWs who are Game aware will likely thrive too.
And the upper level men of fame and fotune will do fine, too since there will be even greater armies of the hottest women chasing them.

The rest of men will be a sorry bunch and an even greater majority of women, who will find out the hard way, that men are able to live more content as they age, while most women without families, grandchildren and healthy structure are way more emotionally vulnerable and more dependent on the State.

But I guess that is the plan anyway.

[Vaun]

I know what you are saying man. Those are most of my exes. On one hand I feel sorry for them, only because I know them so well, but they put themselves in this position.

Now I wouldn't say its just mental illness, mostly what I see is alcoholism. A lot of these girls drink alone, everyday after work. And growing up with alcoholics I would say thats the number one sign someone will become or is a drunk. These girls love to drink, and they do, A LOT. Their lifestyles revolve around drinking, and my own prediction is that female alcoholism will greatly surpass men in the US.

[RockHard]

(07-19-2014 08:24 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

The rest of men will be a sorry bunch and an even greater majority of women, who will find out the hard way, that men are able to live more content as they age, while most women without families, grandchildren and healthy structure are way more emotionally vulnerable and more dependent on the State.

Which is why we hear so much about how young men are unmotivated slackers. People aren't completely stupid, they respond to stimuli and incentives. Guys at some level know that the deck is stacked against them. The ones who know why & how & what to do about it is are the ones who'll do well.

[Icarus]

(07-19-2014 05:48 AM)amity Wrote:  

Career woman, owns cats, vegatarian, leftist views on most things, former slutdom in her teens and twenties whence she rode the cock carousel with several alphas and turned down a few decent beta providers(including me) along the way.

I have a Polish ex that is exactly like that. She's now vegan, which is even worse than being vegetarian.

She was a very beautiful woman in her early 20s. She also made a lot of money in her 20s, which put her out of the dating market in Poland. Of course, she rode the cock carousel, and only male 8s and 9s were good enough for her. Which explains why she's now disintegrating in her early 30s. She has become an alcoholic. She's bitter, which scares all the betas away. And her years of partying made her age not very gracefully.

She was not a bad girl. At her best, she was quite lovely and endearing. But at her worst, she was ruthless and cruel, which is why she's an ex. She liked to play the "I am a strong independent woman" card to make herself look tough, and I once made fun of her saying that she was strong and independent and did not need my advice, to which she replied: "No, I am not! I am weak and sensitive." Like Black Flag herself, she was a prisoner of her primitive female instincts, and I was not sufficiently dominant to tame her.

Her parents divorced when she was a child, and then her father died as she entered puberty. She never had a father figure in her life, and her older brother never gave a shit about her. Too much Carpe Diem. She never thought her 20s would end. Now she has 5 decades of loneliness and childlessness ahead of her, if she does not kill herself in the meantime. It makes me angry and sad. So many lives destroyed by Hollywood fantasies...

[Glaucon]

Call me cruel but...I enjoy the carnage. You can blame feminism, but what about free will then? They are responsible for their life. They enjoyed their unlimited power in their young without building something lasting with it, and now the check has arrived.
I have no sympathy for anyone who is destroyed by their own delusions. They are just a failed experiment of evolution, nothing else.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Stay in touch with this woman. What's not good for society can benefit you: such women are often up for non-committed sex when they're in this state. They also get weird (new agey and "spiritual"), and you can play on that.

You obviously don't want to make her a real part of your life, but accumulating several women like this for "safety net" sex is one of the benefits of getting older.

Below are some of the lines I've used.

Note: sometimes these lines get you laughed at, yet sink in and become "received wisdom" and will work for you in a few months, or even years.

Note #2: You wrote "immune to advice." Well, never give a woman advice because they now consider it "patronizing" or "belittling." Instead, just listen and agree and amplify (or whatever), and only throw in little nuggets of wisdom when you absolutely need to. Like here...

1). "We know we're not right for each other, but we're so close that sex for us isn't like sex, it's a bonding experience." (This works best if you messed around with her in your youth, even if it was one time.)

2). "Semen wards off depression in women (one link among many here). All over the world women are taking men's semen -- you can't live like a nun and expect to be happy."

3). "Healthy orphan babies that don't get touched die. Sick ones who get touched thrive. You should allow yourself a footrub or backrub from someone you trust because you're making yourself worse. Not saying it has to be me, but..."

4). Get into late night phone conversations and work them into sex talk. She'll start to associate you with sex. This worked better when we had old-fashioned phones and phone sex was big.

I know I have more, but will check back later if I can remember them...

[Icarus]

(07-19-2014 11:58 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

Call me cruel but...I enjoy the carnage. You can blame feminism, but what about free will then? They are responsible for their life. They enjoyed their unlimited power in their young without building something lasting with it, and now the check has arrived.

In principle, I do enjoy the Schadenfreude. "Better luck next life, bitches!"

However, in my early 30s, I have seen plenty of girls I used to know destroy their lives with PhD programs, startups, careerism, "princess syndrome", etc.

I have come to the conclusion that women are children who don't know what they want, who don't understand what is good for them, and who are too clueless to be given freedom, which means that women need adult male supervision 24/7.

The older I get, the more I understand religious people's adherence to tradition. Tradition exists because it works. Many social norms were tried, and the few ones that worked became part of a society's tradition. In other words, evolution applies not only to genes, but also to memes, and anyone who believes in evolution has to accept tradition.

Women need an authoritarian yet benevolent father to discipline them and to set boundaries. Then, by age 19, they need to be married to an authoritarian yet benevolent husband to discipline them and to set boundaries. Women always complain about "oppression!!!", but this is the environment in which they find comfort and in which they prosper. Give them freedom, and they ruin their lives because they are slaves of their primitive and prehistoric instincts.

(07-19-2014 11:58 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

I have no sympathy for anyone who is destroyed by their own delusions. They are just a failed experiment of evolution, nothing else.

The problem is that some of the prettiest and smartest women I met in my 20s are now childless and miserable in their 30s. Dysgenic fertility is a consequence of emancipation.

The pretty ones don't have it that easy. A female 9 wants a male 9 or 10. However, males 9s or 10s can spend their 20s fucking female 7s, 8s, and 9s without offering any commitment. If society expected women to be married by 21, then female 9s and 10s would pair up with their male equivalents. It would be eugenic. Instead, the female 8s and 9s ride the cock carousel waiting for prince charming, ignore warnings from wiser people, and end up marrying an autistic beta nerd with a high-paying job at age 32-35. In other words, the women with the best genes are pairing up with men who are genetically inferior (looks-wise, at least, not necessarily IQ-wise), which is obviously dysgenic. If they become old maids, then it's even more dysgenic. A sane society would ensure that beautiful women are paired up with beautiful men, so that beautiful children are produced.

The truly smart ones don't have it easy either. All their teachers in high-school and all the professors in college inflated their expectations beyond what would be wise. How they would have wonderful careers. How they would invent new things, start companies. Such women become prisoners of very high expectations. They go to grad school, get the PhD at 27-30, then discover that their dating prospects are a lot worse than they expected. Finally, they realize they were told a bunch of lies, and anger and depression follow. Their PhD degrees did not make them happy, they did not invent anything, they were mere slaves to their doctoral advisors, their startups did not go anywhere. And now they are too old to have children, and have 40-50 years ahead of them to bask in regret and self-pity.

My Schadenfreude is reserved for those cunts who were truly evil and drunk on their power. I love to see those single and childless in their 30s. Let the Grim Reaper remove any shred of evidence that they ever existed.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

OK, here is what I left out of my post above. If you're getting tired of my verbiage, the key word is "preselection."

Anyway, if the woman you're speaking about is still good looking, use that to turn her into "convenience date." Bring her to parties, get-togethers, happy hours, office gatherings, etc. Because nothing attracts women to you more than having a good-looking woman on your arm (i.e. preselection).

In other words, use the friendzone to your advantage.

This is why I'm very against the manosphere school of thought that says men can't be friends with women. You should be friends with as many women as possible because it's a way to network to other women.

Almost every bang -- or girlfriend -- I've every gotten has been because I met a woman through another woman. I've posted on here before how I did this in high school before I even knew of the concept of "preselection." When I was a senior I was missing a credit in health class, so in the final half of the year, they stuck me in a health class that happened to be 90 percent freshman girls. I found that taking a different freshman girl from my health class to a party each week got me labeled as a ladies man.

The woman you speak of is probably connected to a bigger network of pussy than Hefner. Leverage that to your advantage.

[Travesty]

(07-19-2014 03:31 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

This is why I'm very against the manosphere school of thought that says men can't be friends with women. You should be friends with as many woman as possible because it's a way to network to other women.

I'd love to be able to be friends with girls, but I just don't feel like the time effort is worth it. I don't enjoy maintaining female friendships at all. Getting hooked up with a girl's friend is nice, but there also isn't the rush and accomplishment of a pick up.

I feel alive when I am cold approaching. When I am sitting and yammering with a bunch of chicks then get hooked up at a party it is nice, but it is like getting venison delivered to your house rather than going out and hunting a deer in the woods.

[Sp5]

(07-19-2014 01:28 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

The pretty ones don't have it that easy. A female 9 wants a male 9 or 10. However, males 9s or 10s can spend their 20s fucking female 7s, 8s, and 9s without offering any commitment. If society expected women to be married by 21, then female 9s and 10s would pair up with their male equivalents. It would be eugenic. Instead, the female 8s and 9s ride the cock carousel waiting for prince charming, ignore warnings from wiser people, and end up marrying an autistic beta nerd with a high-paying job at age 32-35. In other words, the women with the best genes are pairing up with men who are genetically inferior (looks-wise, at least, not necessarily IQ-wise), which is obviously dysgenic.

I see your general point, but I don't see how beauty + brains is "obviously dysgenic." Seems like a good mating strategy to me.

[Switch]

(07-21-2014 04:00 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:28 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

The pretty ones don't have it that easy. A female 9 wants a male 9 or 10. However, males 9s or 10s can spend their 20s fucking female 7s, 8s, and 9s without offering any commitment. If society expected women to be married by 21, then female 9s and 10s would pair up with their male equivalents. It would be eugenic. Instead, the female 8s and 9s ride the cock carousel waiting for prince charming, ignore warnings from wiser people, and end up marrying an autistic beta nerd with a high-paying job at age 32-35. In other words, the women with the best genes are pairing up with men who are genetically inferior (looks-wise, at least, not necessarily IQ-wise), which is obviously dysgenic.

I see your general point, but I don't see how beauty + brains is "obviously dysgenic." Seems like a good mating strategy to me.

Because if the girl is hot but dumb, and the guy is ugly but smart the kids might end up dumb and ugly. But if both parents are high IQ and good looking, odds are the kids will be the same.

[Icarus]

(07-21-2014 04:39 AM)Switch Wrote:  

Because if the girl is hot but dumb, and the guy is ugly but smart the kids might end up dumb and ugly. But if both parents are high IQ and good looking, odds are the kids will be the same.

Exactly. It's like mixing dog breeds. German Shepherds and Cocker Spaniels are both beautiful dog breeds. If they procreate, their offspring may not be very beautiful.

A dog's breed contains 1,000s of years of artificial selection, optimizing for certain traits. If you mix dog breeds, you may get a dog that has neither the optimized traits of the mother nor the optimized traits of the father. Of course, there's also hybrid vigor. Sometimes, genetic experiments work amazingly well.

[amity]

Thanks for all the responses.
I've had a good read of your comments, some fascinating thoughts in there, will reply back when I get a window.

[Constitution45]

I genuinely don't get depressed reading articles like this, if anything is makes me kind of excited in a weird way. I always acknowledged that there was something wrong growing up, not just between men and women but just with the whole political correctness, lack of traditional guidance. Now that I consciously am aware of what is going on and I have the ability to articulate what I see as wrong around me, It simply no longer affects me.

A lot like the Former Soviet Union, the unhealthy conditions set for people there, just meant that anyone who possessed an innovative spirit would try their best to leave and sure enough, many of them were able to. Same thing will take place in the West, which we are gradually seeing. I have already experienced shaming from some males back in the U.K for me living and having Russian girlfriend, comments like "Its because you can't get laid with English women". While they sit there smugly with their ugly overweight girlfriends, if only I could show them the pictures of my last three girlfriends from the FSU, it would destroy them.

In the end of the day, Like attracts Like, most ordinary guys who get stuck in this trap are too far gone and its best to stay away from them. They are either content being Ray Barones and clowns or they will try to bring you down like crabs in a barrel. The women are too far gone and the next generation are just going to be worst, they are being raised to resent men; just look at all the anti male disney films that are coming up. They are told from a young age that they have to be more powerful than men and its their god given right to dominate them as some sort of retribution.

Back to the previous point, I will be leaving the Anglosphere soon, I am not going to contribute to a society that wants to parasite off me. The world is certainly small now but there are still plenty of places that people like us can live without having constraints. The be all end all, is living being a man and living by your own terms.

[Fortis]

I'd find this rather depressing, because of the fact that people are sold on this idea that they need all of this shit to be happy. Most of the women doing this truly think they're going to be happy at 35 with their PHD and all that other shit. But the writing is on the wall. I've met so many older spinster types that it makes me shake my head.

[Constitution45]

(07-21-2014 09:44 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I'd find this rather depressing, because of the fact that people are sold on this idea that they need all of this shit to be happy. Most of the women doing this truly think they're going to be happy at 35 with their PHD and all that other shit. But the writing is on the wall. I've met so many older spinster types that it makes me shake my head.

True there are a fair number who are genuinely nice people and they have just been sold a pack of lies. However I have come across too many, who are crusaders for this ideology. Recently I heard this woman who works in the city, talking to her friends about this guy she is seeing. She is reading the texts from this guy who is literally begging her to let him come over to her house. While her friends are congratulating her for dominating him, saying that something along the lines of "Always make sure you control them".

Stefan Molyneux did an interesting piece on this, regarding why professional women are so unhappy. When you look at the government tax base, the constant propaganda and the option of having a traditional family going out of the window. Its a situation which in a lot of ways they are forced into, but ultimately it is their own responsibility.

[Sp5]

(07-21-2014 04:57 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 04:39 AM)Switch Wrote:  

Because if the girl is hot but dumb, and the guy is ugly but smart the kids might end up dumb and ugly. But if both parents are high IQ and good looking, odds are the kids will be the same.

Exactly. It's like mixing dog breeds. German Shepherds and Cocker Spaniels are both beautiful dog breeds. If they procreate, their offspring may not be very beautiful.

A dog's breed contains 1,000s of years of artificial selection, optimizing for certain traits. If you mix dog breeds, you may get a dog that has neither the optimized traits of the mother nor the optimized traits of the father. Of course, there's also hybrid vigor. Sometimes, genetic experiments work amazingly well.

Yeah but I don't think heritability of intelligence works that way. The mating of a hot 95 IQ woman and a 130 IQ man is more likely to produce offspring which are smarter than average than two hot but average people. Of course two 130 IQ people will do better, but in both cases the effect is not dysgenic.

In the end, intelligence is more important to the success of humans than good looks. So any mating opportunities for smart people are eugenic.

[blacknwhitespade]

I wonder if there's a point where women just give up or lose interest in ever finding a husband? It is said that men who went to college start seriously craving a wife around 28-33 (if they hadn't married prior to then) and if they miss this window, their desire to marry declines. For men who did a doctoral/PhD or became MDs, the window is slightly later (30-36). Most men are confirmed bachelors-for-life if they're not married by 40. I wonder if there's also a window and breaking point for women as well?

[puckerman]

Do you have a link to Heartiste's article? He puts so much good stuff out there.

(07-30-2014 04:53 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

It is said that men who went to college start seriously craving a wife around 28-33 (if they hadn't married prior to then) and if they miss this window, their desire to marry declines.

Testosterone levels start to decline. Of course, I've also seen more and more men get divorce-raped. I've just gotten a lot more cynical.

When I first discovered Ross Jeffries and Neil Strauss, I had hope. After a couple years, I just got more cynical. I thought: "Women really are fucked up. Is long-term happiness possible?"

[amity]

(07-31-2014 02:26 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

Do you have a link to Heartiste's article? He puts so much good stuff out there.

(07-30-2014 04:53 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

It is said that men who went to college start seriously craving a wife around 28-33 (if they hadn't married prior to then) and if they miss this window, their desire to marry declines.

Testosterone levels start to decline. Of course, I've also seen more and more men get divorce-raped. I've just gotten a lot more cynical.

When I first discovered Ross Jeffries and Neil Strauss, I had hope. After a couple years, I just got more cynical. I thought: "Women really are fucked up. Is long-term happiness possible?"

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/07/1...-language/

[puckerman]

Thank you.