[bacan]

I am trying to think of a less expensive way to get some of the benefits of having a nice, centrally located apartment.

For example, I like saving money on a cheaper place to live. I try to tell myself with the thousands I'm saving, I can afford to take more girls on dates, can pay for more cabs, and can afford flights to South America and Asia and so on, but the truth is there are just some situations that you cannot experience in your day to day life without having access to a nice apartment in a great location. I even remember in a thread about the strongest part of everyone's game, Roosh quipped that his was his "centrally located apartment."

It's common knowledge that logistics is an essential part of getting fast sex with hot girls.

"Hey, want to go for a walk?" "Let's get some fresh air" "Wanna go outside for a bit?" "Let's just drop by my place for a quick drink - my apartment is two blocks from here" etc. are all a lot more organic, smoothly flowing and conducive to hamstering and plausible deniability than the make-or-break moment of asking a girl to step into an Uber with you. Of course, this applies to meeting a girl that same night as well as being able to go on dates in cool parts of the city, rather than trying to convince girls to go to the one or two bars in your crappy area.

Another factor is that having a nice apartment is also pretty essential to getting with high value girls that don't really like bringing back guys to have sex with them at their own places (roommates judging, live with families or whatever). But if all you have is a room in a shitty group house in a shitty neighborhood, you might feel lame trying to bring her back to a place like that to get in her pants and she might not even be down to come out to wherever you are to meet.

A third factor is that insta-dates where you end up bringing a girl back to your place from day-gaming is impossible if you are in a crappy area.

In DC or other expensive cities, can we think of a hack to get some of the benefits of these nice centrally located apartments without having to each sign 12 year leases on $2000/month apartments?

For example, most of us only need a nice apartment in the moment we're trying to bring a hot girl back to it to have sex with her the first time. The rest of the time it's fine to just live wherever and save money.

Here are the ideas I've brainstormed so far..

Normal ideas:
1) Living in a group house in a nice location and that is cheap due to its age -- solves the problem of "hey let's go for a walk" but not really of having a place to bring back high value girls. Plus, you still have to deal with 4-5 housemates judging my womanizing, lack of A/C, old appliances etc
2) Trying to rent a place for a few weekends via airbnb -- very expensive ($125+ per night in DC) and tough to explain to a girl why she can't be at your apartment the days when you don't have access to it or if the owner takes it off of the site
3) Trying to rent a place just for weekends via a long-term contract -- maybe there is someone who only needs his apt for Mon to Fri and spends the weekends out of town? Could be nice to have access over many months to the same apt, even if it's just certain Fridays and Saturdays, and you would expect to get a discount via a long-term contract. I am interested in this possibility.

Crazy ideas:
4) Creating some sort of RVF timeshare where someone gets a lease for a nice apartment but a group of RVF members agree to share the costs and split up the days in the month; that way everyone would have access to a nice apartment on an occasional basis without having to bear the full costs. You could plan your dates and your nights that you go out around the days that you have access to the timeshare - ha!
5) A mentorship/wingman program where RVF forums with nice apartments and beginner-level game team up with members with good game and crappy apartments -- obviously the quid pro quo would be the guys with great game give advice and go out together as wingmen and the guys with the sweet pads provide the place to bring the girls back to that they meet together. Could be a win-win situation for guys with great game and great lifestyles to complement each other's strengths to both be more successful with women. (Anyone in DC interested? I may have suggested this before in threads on mentorship.)

Keep in mind this thread is trying to figure out creative ways to get some of the benefits of a nice centrally located apartment without all of the costs. I suppose that discussion of the pros/cons of spending $1600+ on rent would be interesting, but only if you explain the actual cost-benefit ratio in your lives and share specific anecdotes of how it seemed to be worth it (or not) instead of just responding like "duh, how about you just quit being so poor and cheap." In my case, if I went out every night, I could really take advantage of a great apt to bang tons of girls, but I've got other priorities in my life (work, health, saving money, etc.) that make bedding new women a high priority but not the only thing that matters. (Not to mention -- I'm trying to keep an eye on my cost-per-notch ratio!)

Let me know what you guys think. I'm interested in #1, #3 and #5 mainly.

Other ideas:
6) RVF roommate matching service -- just plain old living together with other people who are in the same mindset without any of the trickiness of the timeshare idea. Not only are RVF members not going to judge me for having a different girl every week, they'd probably be cool to go out with too.

7) Having access to a non-apartment space in a prime location, like an empty office or something. How many girls would rather get it on in an empty office instead of taking a cab to your apt in a so-so neighborhood?

[reaper23]

interesting question.

i have a nice apt in prime spot so i am perhaps not in on your ideas but i have thought about this before.

back when i had a live in GF i was spending an ass load on hoteltonight and air bnb. i thought it would be great if a group of guys could get together on an apartment in dc and just all chip in on it. you could distribute the weekend nights and leave the mid week nights up for grabs.

of course beyond rent expenses would include furnishing the apt and cleaning service. could work out over the year to like $500/mo for four guys.

that would be a reasonable proposition to me in my prior situation.

but finding guys to work that out with might be hard.

regarding #3 - you could try to work a deal with various air b n b hosts. if they are savvy, they'll see the benefit in a discount for quantity.

re: #1 - two guys could rent a 2br in logan circle area for $3k. is $1500 too much?


to answer your questions, for me the logistics are priceless. all my dates are within a five block radius and that includes plenty enough hot spots for me to have cool factor. plus because these are my local joints, the people in there know me well. hell i was walking home the other night (alone - happily) and the bartender yelled out the window and told me to come in for a free drink. being able to bounce a girl at anytime to my place is key. walking to wholefoods, gym, yoga, cvs, starbucks, whatever - priceless.

i just couldnt even imagine a lifestyle where i had to drive everywhere for everything.

hell i day game literally just by walking out the door of my place.

so my answer is, make more money

[bacan]

Thanks. I would ideally like to spend $1100 or less on housing and lodging related to banging girls per month.

I could spend up to $1500 I suppose, but at some point I'm not sure if it's worth it to give up all the money that could be spent on flights and travel and so on. Of course I recognize those benefits you mentioned, but at what point does it not become worth it? $1000 extra per month to upgrade an apartment in DC goes a long way in Medellin or Bangkok.

Also this is a really detailed question -- is it a bad idea to try to save money by renting in a walk-up building? Could you kill the moment for a potential ONS by trying to get a girl to climb up to the 3rd/4th/5th floor? haha

[WestIndianArchie]

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[bacan]

WIA, I appreciate your response because I know you're a good poster, but remember -- this thread is about ideas for shortcuts/hacks -- obviously #1, #2 and #3 are my long-term goals that I can pursue concurrently while I'm thinking of some unorthodox ideas to get access to a nice pad for a few weekends a month. Those big picture options are something that are obviously always available to me or anyone else..

With regard to #1, yes once I'm at a point where I have enough money to satisfy all my desires and I don't even have time to spend it all, I won't be worrying about this. In the mean time, I have to pick between 1BR in Dupont circle and money for awesome vacations. Every choice has an opportunity cost.

#2) Yes this is a good option. But you realize that the fact that there are so many other good places to be also reinforces the argument of saving rent in DC to spend it on travel.... Hence reinforces my idea to try to come up with a hack or shortcut or scheme...

#3) My game is already good. We both agree that game is about percentages. Of course a guy can get a girl to get in a cab with him to Shirlington sometimes, but we both know that if he tried to bring a girl to Shirlington 100 times vs. taking her a block away to an apartment with a balcony the results would be a lot better attempting the latter..

Some guys have really good lifestyles, nice logistics, dress well, etc. but the weak link in the total package of their game is their actual ability to cold approach, create chemistry and seal the deal. In my case, my lifestyle is the weak link where improvement could have the biggest returns on better results.

I already feel like I can talk to any girl I want in almost any situation. I have good day game and don't remember the last time a girl didn't give me her number when I chatted her up in public transit or a coffee shop or something (though I don't approach every day). I have ONSs and first date sex..

The issue is that my apartment is a little incongruent with my game: I'm some cool, smart international traveler type, but then I try to take the girl back to some ugly looking group home situation? A lot of my success in DC has been focused on girls that have their own apartments or girls that know my neighborhood.

The Helix hotel is a good option... But again, just like deciding to get into a cab or not, deciding to get a hotel together or not really sets off girls' alarm bells for "OK, I guess I have to decide right now on the street if I want to put myself in a position to have sex with this guy or not" vs. "It's just one more drink" "It's just 2 blocks away" and giving her more time to warm up to my charms as the night goes on and she gets to know me, ha.

Come on, this is game 101. It's not that girls are saying "I'd fuck you if you lived in Dupont but you don't so go screw yourself" .. it's that a whole range of possibilities are just not even possible or are made more difficult by living in a cheap/far part of DC rather than an expensive/central one.

My time is valuable and so is my money. If I can increase my % of ONSs by spending a bit more money, I can save time by having a higher rate of success every time I go out and getting the more satisfaction from girls out of less nights of gaming.

[bacan]

Why did this get moved to travel? It is not really DC specific. I just put DC in the title in case someone wanted to split an apt with me. The rest of it is general advice for how to bed girls with less housing costs in any expensive city.

Mods, can you remove DC from the title and move it back to the game forum where I think it will have more traffic and be more relevant? This thread is about getting with girls in your home city....

[Chapped3rdEye]

(07-14-2014 02:36 PM)bacan Wrote:  

In my case, my lifestyle is the weak link where improvement could have the biggest returns on better results.

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The issue is that my apartment is a little incongruent with my game: I'm some cool, smart international traveler type, but then I try to take the girl back to some ugly looking group home situation?

There you have it, essentially. Whatever effort you're putting into scheming a way around needing more money might be better spent just getting more money.

One thing though - someplace convenient and private but non-residential could work. Place of employment, office of a club or non-profit, etc.

[WestIndianArchie]

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[coolmike]

(07-14-2014 01:52 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

This is sounding very theoretical.

Are you regularly losing lays in DC because you don't live on U-Street?
The panties dry up when you tell them you live in Front Royal? (lol)

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

[bacan]

Haha I'm talking about a crappy part of DC, not the burbs.

And no I'm not talking about a girl seeing my place and freaking .. I'm talking about all the what if scenarios..

What if I could just walk home instead of trying to get in a cab?
What if I could just invite this girl over for a cocktail on my balcony or rooftop pool for the first date instead of waiting to cook for her on the third date?

I suppose I could do an experiment and see how many girls agree to walk to my apartment vs how many agree to get in a cab.

I already do weasel and do bang girls in my shitty apt. But it takes too long or relies too much on external factors.

I did call those other ideas crazy but I don't know why you need to discourage the creative ideas like Airbnb and all that.

[WestIndianArchie]

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[Suits]

Is it an option to rent a lousy, tiny apartment for cheap and then invest a some of the money you are saving on a one time renovation to make it look decent?

Non-Permanent Rental Improvements that you can take with you:

1. Expensive looking and high quality shower head (just screw it on when you buy it and screw it off when you leave)
2. Nice rug to cover up the floor with. If you have an ugly old wood floor, having a nice rug to cover it up will make the edges of the wood floor around the edge of the room look classier and cover up the ugliness in the middle. If you have some sort of plastic floor, you may need to lay a cheap wood floor (nice wood around the outside and some sheets of plywood the lie flush with the edge in the middle).
3. Nice lamps, the type of sit on a desk or have a stand that sits on the floor. Once again, easy to pack up and take with you, but can add a lot of class.
4. Hang some pleasant looking artwork on the wall or some guitars or something cool looking.
5. Some quality furniture that you personally love. A pain in the ass to move if you change apartments, but nothing you can't accomplish with a couple of buddies and a pickup truck.

Just some quick ideas on how to take a dull, ugly apartment and turn it into what appears to be a hidden gem.

If $1500 a month + $3000 (one time apartment improvement) gives your apartment a good enough look that you aren't embarrassed to bring girls back, you've probably maximized your spending.

That's what I'm currently doing here in Beijing. I'm living in a suburb for a year buying the furniture and possessions that will be useful when I move to a much more expensive and smaller apartment downtown in the party district next year.

There's no way to add square meterage without paying for a larger place, but that doesn't mean that you can make the cheaper place look impressive with a tastefully chosen throw carpet.

[bacan]

Suits, those are great suggestions.

I think the Airbnb thing might actually work while I look for a better apt..

[Sandman]

Also check vrbo and try to negotiate

Ideally, you could negotiate a scenario with a frequently empty property that if you don't use it, you don't pay, or pay only 10%. It's a bit of a whacky offer, but you can't argue with the fact that it's better than $0. Maybe hit up vrbo or air bnb owners in advance, introduce yourself, and tell them you are not sure, and can't confirm until the last minute, and see if they bite. Don't say you're trying to see if you will first pull that night before committing

But WIA is right

And damn I love the man ´s prose