[Metzer]

Hi guys,

Don't usually post too much as i'm more of a lurker but definitely enjoy reading the various tips and RoK articles as I am pretty new to game.

Anyway I was in Debrecen, Hungary yesterday for holiday. In the club, i Started speaking to this girl who was sat down on her own (about a 6/6.5) and building rapport. After 5 minutes of chit chat she tells me she wants to dance, so i said ok lets go.

Music was the usual main stream dance/rnb. Anyway we dance for the next 20-30mins. Im holding touching her etc shes dancing next to me,touching me etc.Seems like i just had to 'not fuck up'. Shes smiling with her face about 6 inches away. Was thinking whether to go for kiss or not but didnt.

I go to get water she says she will wait. Her friends (2-3) of them are in the club too but they were also with some guys-so they chit hatted to my girl every so often when they bumped in.

I mention to her she should come back to my hotel she says 'only just met you' although i tried to brush that off, she wasn't realy having itit.


More dancing, she says to me 'im not really into her' to which i said 'bs course i am - usual dismissal. She wants to sit down so we sit. More kino etc i take her facebook. Im only on Here for one night so number close is pointless.

After more talking kinoing etc she says 'im not really into her' gets up and leaves. At this point I couldn't be bothered or did not want to chase her so she left.

Spent about 1.5 hours in total with her (same venue). Couldn't bounce as theres not a lot around.

What should I have done - kissed her? Thats the only thing i think i could have done. I'm 27 she was 20, though I said i was 24. Shes from Budapest and i'm british indian. Seems like i fucked up 'dont fuck up game'

[legacy]

Yeah, you should of kissed her, especially in a club enviroment. And then physically escalated. Always escalate an interaction to as far as it can go. But on the other hand, wow, a girl spending 1.5 hours in a club with one guy? You should of definately tried harder. She was into you man

[Metzer]

Yeah guess that was my mistake. Some girls dont like kissing in front of other people which is why I thought I would leave it until later (ie back at hotel).

Anyway tonight is Budapest hopefully i have learnt lesson.

[Lizard King]

You can always apologise for going too far.

You can't say afterwards that you'll be more masculine/alpha.


Not my words, paraphrasing Roissy possibly, not sure.

[From Vegas to Tokyo]

You seem to have gotten it.

When I'm on vacation, in another city, or otherwise in a situation where it doesn't really matter what the aftermath of an interaction is, I always try to push things to their breaking points. There is no way anything will come back to me in these types of situations, and by pushing the interaction when it means nothing to you, you learn how far things will really go if you push them there. Obviously no means no, but if you think theres any possiblilty she'd be down for a kiss, go for it. If it works, it works, if it doesn't then hey, you're on vacation, who the fuck cares. Take no prisoners, play like you have nothing to loose.

[Donkey_Riding]

(07-12-2014 03:40 PM)Metzer Wrote:  

Music was the usual main stream dance/rnb. Anyway we dance for the next 20-30mins. Im holding touching her etc shes dancing next to me,touching me etc.Seems like i just had to 'not fuck up'. Shes smiling with her face about 6 inches away. Was thinking whether to go for kiss or not but didnt.

When in doubt, always go for the kiss. The worst thing that happens is she turns her head and you try again later.

(07-12-2014 03:40 PM)Metzer Wrote:  

I mention to her she should come back to my hotel she says 'only just met you' although i tried to brush that off, she wasn't realy having itit.

(07-12-2014 03:40 PM)Metzer Wrote:  

Spent about 1.5 hours in total with her (same venue). Couldn't bounce as theres not a lot around.

You should have further isolated her more gradually. If there's no other bar nearby to bounce to, ask her to go outside to take a walk or to smoke or something. After you build more comfort in isolation, then you ask her to go back to your hotel. How you ask is also important: it's best to tell her what you're doing and assume the sale. E.g. "I'm going back to my hotel now. Come with me" or "Let's go back to my hotel now." Can also provide an excuse for plausible deniability: say it's to watch a movie or to show her something.

Another option, if she won't come back to your hotel, is to go for the makeout at the club, and then fuck her in the bathroom.

(07-12-2014 03:40 PM)Metzer Wrote:  

More dancing, she says to me 'im not really into her' to which i said 'bs course i am - usual dismissal.

Should have just gone for the kiss here.

Also, don't underestimate dread game. Another possible move would have been to go chat up or dance with another girl.

More generally, it seems like you were letting her lead the interaction rather than leading yourself as you should have. For example, you danced because she said she wanted to dance, you sat because she wanted to sit. It's better for you to lead in order to establish dominance and to pull her into your world. If you had led her in little steps throughout the night, she would would have been more likely to agree to leave with you.

[Metzer]

Thanks for the critical analysis, need tips like this. Back home now and Been kicking myself since but just have to live and learn.

[redpillrage33]

Seems to me that the "you aren't really into me" is a variation on the common shit test I've oft received: "you hate me".

While elsewhere you will find nuclear responses to this, my style is that I always agree that indeed I "hate" her (or in this case, I am not that into her), while at the same time smirking and giving her a little pinch on the ass. Juxtaposition can often work wonders.

Each to his own style of course.

[Noir]

(07-12-2014 03:40 PM)Metzer Wrote:  

After 5 minutes of chit chat she tells me she wants to dance, so i said ok lets go.

You should be leading but cool. You jumped through a hoop but it is positive, game on.

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Music was the usual main stream dance/rnb. Anyway we dance for the next 20-30mins.

Escalate, 20-30 mins of dancing RnB? How did you last/resist?


[/quote]Shes smiling with her face about 6 inches away. Was thinking whether to go for kiss or not but didnt.

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Kiss, go bar/smoking area. The adventure begins.


[quote]I go to get water she says she will wait. Her friends (2-3) of them are in the club too but they were also with some guys-so they chit hatted to my girl every so often when they bumped in.

You gave her time to think. I bet at this point she was confused as shit that you didn't escalate and she rationalized.

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I mention to her she should come back to my hotel she says 'only just met you' although i tried to brush that off, she wasn't realy having itit.

The mistake of not kissing. Solution: Kiss. She is a 20 year old, she doesn't want to go home so soon. Especially without feeling horny. You need to up the ante and make her enjoy herself and that only if she comes with you will her night get better.

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More dancing, she says to me 'im not really into her' to which i said 'bs course i am - usual dismissal. She wants to sit down so we sit. More kino etc i take her facebook. Im only on Here for one night so number close is pointless.

After more talking kinoing etc she says 'im not really into her' gets up and leaves. At this point I couldn't be bothered or did not want to chase her so she left.

She was waiting for you at the finishing line from early on but wasn't about to way for you to stumble across later. You disappointed her in the end by not being as bold/cool/sexy as she thought you were.

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Seems like i fucked up 'dont fuck up game'

Ha! You should escalate with these ones. Go head to head and always lead but let her think she is leading. That is don't fuck up game, yours ended being 'losing control and following her' lead.

Not once did you lead in the interaction, you didn't make a single move.

[Tigre]

(07-12-2014 03:40 PM)Metzer Wrote:  

I go to get water she says she will wait.

How much was she drinking? Were you drinking at all?

While you were with her, you didn't grab her a drink?

[Metzer]

She said she drank alot earlier so did not want any more drinks. And same with me, we drank alot back in the hotel (as on holiday) and a few in the club but was on water from half way into the night to sober up more.

[Metzer]

Hmm the Quote button does not seem to work on iPhones..

@Noir:

I felt I didnt need to lead too much as she was all on me initially.

Maybe the fact that I left her on the dance floor for a few minutes whilst i went to the bar didn't help. I said '1 minute' but took about 5 at the bar, which she questioned when I got back to her. Also went for a piss and left her (thought I cant remember if she was with her friends at the time).

Anyway its a learning experience I guess, i'm glad I went over and just opened her - few months back i'd only talk to girls who give strong IOIs first.

[l.smetana]

I will just use this thread..
I am trying to learn game for about months or two and just ended LTR (2 months ago).
Today, I decided to try aproach some girl (for the first time for a looooong time). She was walking about 3 metres ahead me so I sped up a little bit and opened her with "would you mind if I walk with you for a bit?" (Approach was on empty path in the middle of nowhere - from 1 village to another). She dumped me with "yes, I would mind", so I bounced off and kept walking. I wonder what have I done wrong, or if she was just a bitch?