[mikeymike]

(02-28-2011 09:27 PM)Obulx Wrote:  

Interesting, I've never been to Canada. Is there a good night scene in Vancouver?

in a word, No. Vancouver is called the no fun city for a reason, the night scene here is absolutely awful and the women while for the most part good looking, aren't very receptive. Not just to Indians just to anybody period. I'm born and raised in Vancouver, had no idea how bad it was, just thought every place was like this till I went to university and film school and met people from abroad who were like what is with the women here. Then as I began to travel, I finally got what they meant. It's a great city otherwise but if you're coming to party and bang chicks, just keep on rolling past us to Montreal lol

[mikeymike]

(02-28-2011 11:07 PM)Mystik Wrote:  

(02-28-2011 10:07 PM)bigxxx Wrote:  

As for subgroups, Ismaili chicks are the hottest. Mind you the community is tight sort of like jewish so outsiders don't often crack it. But i rarely see bad looking ones and many often beautiful.

Never heard about this group before. Can you elaborate further?

I'm definitely not an authority on how it breakdowns but they're a Muslim subsect, they have slightly different beliefs than your standard Muslim. I'm generalizing by saying this next part but they tend to be affluent, well educated and light skinned. The anaology to the Jewish faith is accurate, they tend to very much stick to people within their faith circle. They may actually be a tougher group to crack comparitivly speaking. I don't know a lot of Ismaili girls so I can't vouch for whats being said about them but I'll be sure to pay better attention to that now.

[docsedated]

Great to see this thread on Forum and more glad to see it back on track, Thanks Roosh.

As a guy with Indian Parents, having lived in England and USA for the past 15 yrs here are my 2 cents/contribution

Indian Guys going after Indian girls is analogous to Latin guys going after Latinos........ The exotic factor is not there, Indian girls want a Blonde boy with blue eyes and show him as a trophy to peers (Point should be noted by my white brothers on the Forum) also what I have is what I don't want, I want variety some thing else... I actually do pretty well with EE Girls, Czek republic girls have given me the best responses

It has been discussed some where else on the forum that Indian guys have unable to sell their brand of Cool like Oriental people have Jet Lee Bruce Lee etc etc.......Where do Indian Guys have leverage ? Probably no one specific place, Only if you travel back to India/Pakistan/Bangladesh etc and speak english with American/European accent and move in upper circles, the DESI (indian / paki girls) will throw them at you because you have DHV. My main man Mixx says

"No Girl will Fuck you if u have lower value then her"

Indian girls who have lived in USA/England for more then 6-7 years get weternized and have the same bitch shields as their peers. Desi guys will do better with FOB's I think

Best thing Indian guys can do for themself is Learning Game, Changing there Style of Clothes, Accent, Perfumes , Gym , Diet etc etc.... you get the point, Personal history : Roosh told me I was getting the most negative responses from young white girls that he has ever seen, fast forward 6 months later I am having lunch at ATL airport and a girl comes & says , Are you coming from Fashion week in NY, you are dressed very sheik ( I was wearing Jeans, V neck white shirt with a Big Square rodeo style Belt buckle, Velvet sports coat with pocket square and a Fedora Hat ) Airhostess stares me up and down and says she is digging my style, during the flight comes and sits next to me, Mixx can verify my Style has changed for the better and is Improving getting me the foot in and rest is Game.........

Thanks for the data Nomadicdude and keep it coming.... Here are the links where Indian guys have been discussed before on the forum

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2759.h...consultant

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2233.h...ndian+guys

@ Mystik : Ismailis are a sect that marry with in there sect , Ismailis are a branch of Shia Islam and curent sect leader is Agha Khan from Pakistan whose family live abroad, Google his Family you will find some gorgeous women ( I hope I am not offending any Ismailis her) there women are gorgeous , I met one in Dubai on a Desert Dune bashing trip , She was with her family , I was able to Isolate her for 15- 20 min but she kep asking If I was Ismaili too, Damn she had Perky Boobs peeking through her cotton Kurta.......

[Mystik]

(03-01-2011 12:01 AM)docsedated Wrote:  

Best thing Indian guys can do for themself is Learning Game, Changing there Style of Clothes, Accent, Perfumes , Gym , Diet etc etc.... you get the point,

Personal history : Roosh told me I was getting the most negative responses from young white girls that he has ever seen, fast forward 6 months later I am having lunch at ATL airport and a girl comes & says , Are you coming from Fashion week in NY, you are dressed very sheik ( I was wearing Jeans, V neck white shirt with a Big Square rodeo style Belt buckle, Velvet sports coat with pocket square and a Fedora Hat ) Airhostess stares me up and down and says she is digging my style, during the flight comes and sits next to me, Mixx can verify my Style has changed for the better and is Improving getting me the foot in and rest is Game.........

Proves my point that girls don't dislike Indians because they are Indians but because they are don't have game and style. I would say that the hat alone made the whole difference.

(03-01-2011 12:01 AM)docsedated Wrote:  

@ Mystik : Ismailis are a sect that marry with in there sect , Ismailis are a branch of Shia Islam and curent sect leader is Agha Khan from Pakistan whose family live abroad, Google his Family you will find some gorgeous women ( I hope I am not offending any Ismailis her) there women are gorgeous , I met one in Dubai on a Desert Dune bashing trip , She was with her family , I was able to Isolate her for 15- 20 min but she kep asking If I was Ismaili too, Damn she had Perky Boobs peeking through her cotton Kurta.......

All I found was this picture



The woman looks Nordic.

[docsedated]

(03-01-2011 12:28 AM)Mystik Wrote:  

Proves my point that girls don't dislike Indians because they are Indians but because they are don't have game and style. I would say that the hat alone made the whole difference.

Guess What ! The hat was picked by the Masta himself , I mean Mixxmaster from Zara in Sobe, It had to do it's magic.......


The picture above I Believe is Agha Khan's Son who is married to a white women , I do not know from where.

[Mystik]

(02-28-2011 02:39 PM)ehs5040 Wrote:  

Wow, isn't this something Roosh posted on his blog some time ago? This is becoming a little Tyler Durdenish.

I thought this guy's info was good.

Ok, I don't know who Tyler is but I think I get your point.

First, my interest lies in this forum and not in Roosh's blog (no offense to Roosh) but I did read the post that you are referring to. However, I came to this realization after bigbootyluvr got banned (before Roosh made that post) because I had somewhat of similar experience in Denmark.

I wrote what I wrote because I know how Indian guys think and most of us after reading this post would go "Damn! Nomadicdude says that country X is a paradise for Indian men. I am not getting any pussy here in India/US/UK/Canada etc so lets go there and do some serious damage." First they will be overwhelmed if they get too many positive resopnses from girls because we Indians are taught that girls are perfect creatures that do not think about sex at all. (I am not trying to imply that girls from the west are sluts). Then they will start to act like jackasses with women because they won't know how to handle an advance from women. Then they will mess up the whole thing and get frustrated.

Hence, it is very important that Indian dudes put this into perspective and evaluate themselves before coming to any sort of conclusion. I never said that the nomadicdude's info was not good. I actually complimented him and said that it is a good idea to post this info.

[Kaizen]

A few points to kill any buzz regarding cracking codes in India:

The majority of my cousins and their friends' told me frankly they were virgins until marriage. And these guys weren't losers.

My Indo-Canadian friend is stationed in Mumbai now and moves in good circles. As he tells me, walking up to a girl point blank in a club is highly frowned upon. You pretty much have to be introduced. It is who you know.

If a non-Indian gets some ONS in the motherland, that is some new definition of Game.
**
As mentioned, the Aga Khan is the spiritual leader of the Ismailis. Ismailis themselve originate from Gujarat state and many migrated to east africa (often to kenya, tanzania). I have many Ismaili friends and they will admit themselves mainstream islam regards them as a joke. The ones I know commonly drink, know how to party and yes are affluent and into making money. Don't know the explanation as to why they are hot but their women are the real deal with the faces and bodies to match. This is from a harsh critic of brown women in general.

[docsedated]

Pics might not do justice but here is a Sample of Ismaili Girls

   

[ManAbout]

Ismailis make me laugh. You ask an Ismaili where she is from, and 9 times out of 10 she will say Africa. They will not admit to being of Indian origin unless you really force it out of them. They prefer to say that they are from a place that didn't want them and kicked them out en masse.

[Larry33]

(03-01-2011 12:01 AM)docsedated Wrote:  

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Indian Guys going after Indian girls is analogous to Latin guys going after Latinos........ The exotic factor is not there

If any Indian guy wants an Indian girl, he should demonstrate value by dating girls outside of race. Just like Asian girls and Black girls, Indian girls resent white girls and are secretly jealous of indian guys who date outside of race. Just my experience as an Indian guy.

Side story - I went to an Indian party at a hall once. To this day I had never seen so many hot Indian girls. And that night the Indian girls were partying and DTF. All the guys (99% Indian) were all up on it. And then, some indian girl came in with this average blonde girl. All the eyes of every guy for the rest of the night were on the white girl. Fucked up the flow all the Indian girls were getting. It became pretty clear, that the Indian guys all wanted the average white girl over the hot Indian girls. The vibe was shot for the rest of the night. It was hilarious to see.



Indian girls want a Blonde boy with blue eyes and show him as a trophy to peers (Point should be noted by my white brothers on the Forum)

So true, IMO they want validation of their beauty/worth from the white world.

It has been discussed some where else on the forum that Indian guys have unable to sell their brand of Cool like Oriental people have Jet Lee Bruce Lee etc etc.......Where do Indian Guys have leverage ? Probably no one specific place,

I think you are right, but I would offer Vancouver and London UK as places where Indian guys are regarded as 'having appeal' (I carefully thought of a term other than cool,exotic, or attractive). Vancouver, I more personal experience with. You see a lot of very good looking, tall, athletic, mostly punjabi guys dating all types of girls - white, asian, and indian. I have actually met girls (mostly white, some very hot) over there who say they prefer Indian guys over any other group - so it does exist. Vancouver as city kinda sucks though.

Only if you travel back to India/Pakistan/Bangladesh etc and speak english with American/European accent and move in upper circles, the DESI (indian / paki girls) will throw them at you because you have DHV.

I don't even think this is true, Indian girls in the old countries are just difficult. The environment is not conducive to sexual encounters.


Desi guys will do better with FOB's I think

Yes. I don't know if I d want to because of the accent though.

Ismailis are a sect that marry with in there sect , Ismailis are a branch of Shia Islam and curent sect leader is Agha Khan from Pakistan whose family live abroad, Google his Family you will find some gorgeous women

Ismailis are a small community of people that are mainly in larger cities (Vancouver, NYC, Toronto, etc). It's true, the girls may very well be the hottest of the indian variety, and are known as party girls who put out very easily, especially when held against any other indian girl. Ismailis are not conservative at all. To the contrary in fact. They really try to disassociate with mainstream sunni and shia islam. They avoid saying they are muslim, shia, or indian because they are uniquely Ismaili. Other groups also don't include them in the fold. I ve heard many shias say that ismaili aren't muslim, they are ismaili. So....if you run into an Ismaili girl the dynamics are very favorable for tappin that beaver.

[Larry33]

(03-01-2011 12:28 AM)Mystik Wrote:  

(03-01-2011 12:01 AM)docsedated Wrote:  

Best thing Indian guys can do for themself is Learning Game, Changing there Style of Clothes, Accent, Perfumes , Gym , Diet etc etc.... you get the point,

Personal history : Roosh told me I was getting the most negative responses from young white girls that he has ever seen, fast forward 6 months later I am having lunch at ATL airport and a girl comes & says , Are you coming from Fashion week in NY, you are dressed very sheik ( I was wearing Jeans, V neck white shirt with a Big Square rodeo style Belt buckle, Velvet sports coat with pocket square and a Fedora Hat ) Airhostess stares me up and down and says she is digging my style, during the flight comes and sits next to me, Mixx can verify my Style has changed for the better and is Improving getting me the foot in and rest is Game.........

Proves my point that girls don't dislike Indians because they are Indians but because they are don't have game and style. I would say that the hat alone made the whole difference.

I ve found it interesting that many girls do not asked me what my background is before getting laid out.

Many ask me afterwards, and I tell them Indian. Most are kind of in disbelief (with themselves mostly). They go on to say things like, 'but your probably a mix right?' or 'you look more latino'. They seem uneasy with the fact they were attracted to and experienced an Indian ladykiller.

[Mystik]

(03-01-2011 10:51 AM)Larry33 Wrote:  

Many ask me afterwards, and I tell them Indian. Most are kind of in disbelief (with themselves mostly). They go on to say things like, 'but your probably a mix right?' or 'you look more latino'. They seem uneasy with the fact they were attracted to and experienced an Indian ladykiller.

Happens with me as well but has never happened after sex. I have told so many people that I am from Brazil, Bahamas, Spain etc and they are like "aahhhhh" with the look of "I knew it." Ha..hilarious.

When I tell then that I am Indian I get asked the same questions.

1. Pure or mix?
2. But you dont have a thick accent?
3. Indian guys dress funny?
4. You were educated in India?

etc. etc.

Reminds me of this Russell Peters video:

[MiXX]

SOLD! So, where can I find these Ismaili girls who party, are affluent and are DTF outside of Kenya, Tanzania?

[mikeymike]

(03-01-2011 12:49 AM)Mystik Wrote:  

I wrote what I wrote because I know how Indian guys think and most of us after reading this post would go "Damn! Nomadicdude says that country X is a paradise for Indian men. I am not getting any pussy here in India/US/UK/Canada etc so lets go there and do some serious damage." First they will be overwhelmed if they get too many positive resopnses from girls because we Indians are taught that girls are perfect creatures that do not think about sex at all. (I am not trying to imply that girls from the west are sluts). Then they will start to act like jackasses with women because they won't know how to handle an advance from women. Then they will mess up the whole thing and get frustrated.

Hence, it is very important that Indian dudes put this into perspective and evaluate themselves before coming to any sort of conclusion. I never said that the nomadicdude's info was not good. I actually complimented him and said that it is a good idea to post this info.

LOL, well said Mystik. It's funny as I read Roosh's thread about Iceland and how Indian guys don't do particularily well and my immediate thought was yeah cause indian guys in general fall into 2 groups, guys who think they have game but are so intimidated by women that they don't know what to do with them even if the girl was twirling her panties over her head saying come and get it or the so over the top Indian that mistakes game for being sleezy and greasy hitting on everything with a pulse and scaring off anything resembling quality so in Iceland where girls are forward, I cleaned up, but I could see the average indian guy just being blown out of the water. The ones that fall in between are the ones that do well and that's where you, nomadicdude, docsedated and I seem to fall. But I agree completely, the gameless guy and the overthetop sleezeball will look at this thread and say I need to go here when in reality he just needs to get his shit in order. This thread needed to come with the disclaimer that says if you aren't getting laid where you are it doesn't matter where you go, it's not going to change. Certain places are tougher than other, Vancouvers tough but thats comparitivly speaking to places i've been where I've found it easier, I'm still getting mine.

It has to be an upbringing thing but even those of us raised in Europe, North America, we're behind the 8 ball in terms of gaming, we're learning shit in college that others learned in high school, so we're always a bit late to the party, problem with that is in our culture by the time a lot of guys start to figure it out they're being pushed to get married and grow up.

[mikeymike]

(03-01-2011 10:51 AM)Larry33 Wrote:  

I ve found it interesting that many girls do not asked me what my background is before getting laid out.

Many ask me afterwards, and I tell them Indian. Most are kind of in disbelief (with themselves mostly). They go on to say things like, 'but your probably a mix right?' or 'you look more latino'. They seem uneasy with the fact they were attracted to and experienced an Indian ladykiller.

I've found the same, I'm rarely asked women just assume they know what I am and it's usually whatever they want me to be. If you're a light skinned indian male, you tend to pass for a lot and that's what is in my case. You're my first Spanish guy, are you originally from Spain or are your parents, you're Persian right, I love Italian guys you guys are the hottest, You're definitely not Spanish but Portuguese right and on and on...sure whatever you wanna believe, and then when they insist on being told same thing, halfy right, like this isn't what I think of when I think Indian guys this can't be right lol

[Roosh]

(02-28-2011 09:19 PM)Mystik Wrote:  

(02-28-2011 05:30 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Re: Indian guys. I see a lot in Reykjavik, more than black guys. Can't say anything about their success rate, though it doesn't seem high.

Indians from India or from the west?

Like I would know the difference without talking to them!

Icelandic girls in general are very restrained in public, so I don't know what goes on after the bars.

[whosyourdaddy]

So India just suck totally? Even in Bollywood movies, there seems to be decent action just like in the West. I saw a movie called Fashion with Priyanka Chopra. It showed a woman who hooked up with her boss and shows her having a one night stand in a nightclub with (gasp) someone who was not even Indian. Does this mean that the movies aren't telling the truth?

BTW what would be the best place to game women in India? Mumbai? Bangalore? Goa? I will be in India sometime in the next year or so.

But it sounds like Trinidad is the best place to bang Desi chicks?

[Mystik]

(03-01-2011 09:05 PM)whosyourdaddy Wrote:  

I saw a movie called Fashion with Priyanka Chopra. It showed a woman who hooked up with her boss and shows her having a one night stand in a nightclub with (gasp) someone who was not even Indian. Does this mean that the movies aren't telling the truth?

BTW what would be the best place to game women in India? Mumbai? Bangalore? Goa? I will be in India sometime in the next year or so.

Thats the fashion industry brother. People from the highest echelon of the Indian society are involved there. You will get a lot of action if you are a model scout or a designer but for the average local guy things aren't the same. So, what that movie is depicting is correct.

However, bigxxx's post gave the message that like 90% of people in India are virgin's until marriage. Well that might be true. But 90% of 1.2 billion. which leave 120 million people that have sex before marriage. My friends and not married and get laid with their LONG TERM girlfriends. But I know one guy who has been dating a girl for the past 3 years and haven't had sex yet. They plan to wait till marriage which is another 2 years. Its hard to generalize when it comes to India.

I know that girls in Delhi are probably the ugliest. Girls from Mumbai and Bangalore are better looking. Easier? Don't know but I do know that the nightlife is comparatively better in Bangalore and Mumbai.

[kerouac]

I thought Ismailis were Persian? They were considered The Assassins for a while

Quote:

The Assassins (Arabic: الحشاشين‎ Ḥashāshīn, also Hashishin or Hashashiyyin) were an order of Nizari Ismailis, particularly those of Syria and Persia that existed from around 1092 to 1265. Posing a strong military threat to Sunni Saljuq authority within the Persian territories, the Nizari Ismailis captured and inhabited many mountain fortresses under the leadership of the Persian Hassan-i Sabbah.

My former roommate is an Ismaili and his family was from Zanzibar. He didn't look Indian at all. He looked more Persian than anything.

[Mystik]

(03-01-2011 04:11 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

indian guys in general fall into 2 groups,

guys who think they have game but are so intimidated by women that they don't know what to do with them even if the girl was twirling her panties over her head saying come and get it or

the so over the top Indian that mistakes game for being sleezy and greasy hitting on everything with a pulse and scaring off anything resembling quality

It has to be an upbringing thing but even those of us raised in Europe, North America, we're behind the 8 ball in terms of gaming, we're learning shit in college that others learned in high school, so we're always a bit late to the party, problem with that is in our culture by the time a lot of guys start to figure it out they're being pushed to get married and grow up.

Amen!

[Kaizen]

I'd guess any large city in North America. They have common first and last names which are sometimes a giveaway but I think that can be subtle.
Bottom line if you meet just one guy or girl you are in as they party in a group. Although they do tend to stay in the community in terms of relationships, never a problem for anyone to join in when it comes to going out. Although no personal experience, I would guess a ONS etc would be easier with these girls then regular run of the mill south asian girls.

(03-01-2011 02:20 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

SOLD! So, where can I find these Ismaili girls who party, are affluent and are DTF outside of Kenya, Tanzania?

[nomadicdude]

I agree about the comment that Indian dudes are usually one step behind even if they grow up in western countries. They likely grow up in families that are more conservative than most other families, so in high school they aren't doing the stuff others are. Then in college they might finally start to try to catch up but by that time everyone else is doing even more liberal stuff. Then after college they probably reach a good level but by that time they have pressure to marry and end up just settling into a LTR. I know a LOT of Indian guys who ended up getting married in their 20's only to end up really bitter and miserable mainly because they never messed around enough. It's sad.

[Cobra]

Yep I'm behind on the 8 ball too as a south indian dude. I dress 100% GQ and can flirt well if I try. My story was that I wanted to wait until marriage which caused the girls I was gaming eventually backed out because I would not provide adequate shaft. 10+ years later and at 32 years of age and with a LTR, I realize that it was the dumbest thought that ever went into my mind. I realize that this "noble" thought fucked my life. I am getting 2 weeks of freedom in mid-may that somehow worked out in a pretty unusual way (started a thread here http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-3838.html to ask for itinerary suggestions). I guess you can call it 8 weeks if you count the 6 weeks in New Delhi - but I know I'm not getting any there. All I want to spend it enjoying myself so I can come back with a little bit more confidence - and I know 2 weeks is short.

The only advice I can give is game it early and game often so you end up less like moi and more like these international playboys on the forum. For those of us that have to try harder in mainstream society to fit in (I wasn't born in the States so had to try really hard to even start fitting in) I say have confidence and keep being active in talking with People. America (especially Chicago where I live) sucks for this but hey you gotta try.

[nomadicdude]

(03-07-2011 01:30 AM)Obulx Wrote:  

The original poster had a special category for tourist pickup locations but we haven't talked much about that yet.

I've been reading a lot about Koh Phangan, Thailand and it sounds pretty nice.

Yeah, I never posted about the best places to pick up tourist chicks. For Indian dudes I would NOT say Koh Phangan is good. That place is actually horrible IMO, a total cock festival filled with macho wanna be Israeli and Aussie guys.

The best in Asia for desi dudes is Bali, beacuse the Bali beach boys work on the European chicks so much that if you have decent game you can get a piece of that action. Lots of the girls there seem to be open to a vacation fling with a darker skinned dude.

Elsewhere in Asia, like in Vang Vieng in Laos and Bangkok, you can find tourist chicks with some jungle fever going on but its not like Bali. I havent really partied in Nha Trang in Vietnam but I imagine there are some crazy chicks. Lots of these chicks doing the SE Asia backpacking circuit are drunk and wild most of the time, so there are opportunities.

The other good place for desi dudes is Africa because LOTS of white chicks going there are looking for a darker skinnned dude. The problem though is that there arent many places with a high concentration of tourists, except South Africa, where I actually dont think the jungle fever thing works as much. Zanzibar, parts of Kenya and Victoria Falls in Zimbabwe are prime places.

Finally, in theory, brown skinned dudes should be able to find some white chicks with jungle fever in Latin America. I've personally seen this in Colombia, Honduras, and Costa Rica. Hell, at some beach in Costa Rica I even saw a bunch of German girls with local dudes at a disco.

Basically its the same equation anywhere - if the local population is tanned skinned then Indian guys have some chances with the foriegn tourist population, because a lot of those girls will have a brown guy fetish.

Also, there are always opps in big cities that have lots of expats, like Shanghai, Saigon, Tokyo, etc. Since those girls dont get hit on by the local guys as much, and beacuse the male expats are so busy hitting on local chicks/hookers, these girls feel left out and they may be more open to desi dudes.

[ManAbout]

(03-07-2011 11:34 PM)Obulx Wrote:  

Hey thanks, you seem to have experience with a lot of places

Do you have any opinion of the Philippines, specifically Boracay? I am considering staffing an office in manilla in the future (I currently Outsource quite a bit), so I am taking a serious look at living close by in Boracay or Makati

I am looking into doing some offshore staffing as well, but was considering India. Why Phillipines?