[Prodigy]

Okay so I just got back from going downtown tonight, and all I have to say is "fuck you Mystery." I swear every single time I go out I get called out on being a pick up artist, and I'm not even using Mystery's material.

EXAMPLE:

ME: opening a 2 set. "Hey are you okay? Do you need to go to the hospital? (after guy got rejected)
HER: huh? no im good.
ME: Just checking cause that guy was hitting on you pretty hard back there.
ME: (after maybe 2 clever-cocky-funny lines) she's like are we on that show that the pick up artist? wheres the camera?
HER: (showing lots of IOI's still so I just went with it.)
ME: Wow youre so nice, you actually think im a pick up artist. That's the best compliment I've got tonight.
ME: after about 4 to 5 times on being called out for my game. I eventually just said fuck it and ejected.

*One girl left and went to the bathroom. When she left she said, "Okay, this is where you get her number." Even though they thought I was pickup artist they were still interested. Eventually they lost interest after all of my C&F lines. etc.



Lines I used:
1)How does your boyfriend put up with you?
Her: I dont have a boyfriend.
Me: thats probably for the best.

2) Me: Thats an interesting hand you have there. Let me see it. (ring routine)
Her: didnt even give me her hand and was just like, "so when is mystery showing up?" youre such a pick up artist.

3) Does your friend always act like this when she is drunk? (after she stopped some black guy wearing a big sombrero saying he was peacocking, then said "is this your wingman"

4) also used best friends test and said, "I can tell you guys are best friends just by your body language etc." -they were sisters* I got called out again.

-Okay Im done. Sorry for rambling, but this is getting a little ridiculous.

[twigman]

"so when is mystery showing up?" )
i would be like "cool, we have alot to talk about".

[Thug Muffin]

Umm... but you are using material that is done by Mystery and other routines that are pretty widely known.

(11-22-2008 03:25 AM)Prodigy Wrote:  

I swear every single time I go out I get called out on being a pick up artist, and I'm not even using Mystery's material.

EXAMPLE:
Lines I used:
1)How does your boyfriend put up with you?
Her: I dont have a boyfriend.
Me: thats probably for the best.

2) Me: Thats an interesting hand you have there. Let me see it. (ring routine)
Her: didnt even give me her hand and was just like, "so when is mystery showing up?" youre such a pick up artist.

3) Does your friend always act like this when she is drunk? (after she stopped some black guy wearing a big sombrero saying he was peacocking, then said "is this your wingman"

4) also used best friends test and said, "I can tell you guys are best friends just by your body language etc." -they were sisters* I got called out again.

-Okay Im done. Sorry for rambling, but this is getting a little ridiculous.

[Basil Ransom]

Quote:

ME: opening a 2 set. "Hey are you okay? Do you need to go to the hospital? (after guy got rejected)
ME: Just checking cause that guy was hitting on you pretty hard back there.

Terrible. Transparent. Cheesy.

Make your own routines, and don't whine.

Here's a "kino routine" I made up last night - "hey, warm my hands, they're cold." [walking outside in freezing weather, while with her friends].

Edit: Here's another from the same night: Put your arms around her waist, from behind, and sit down. She's on your lap. Turn her head, kiss her, say it's a preview.

[Bravo22]

(11-22-2008 05:50 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Quote:

ME: opening a 2 set. "Hey are you okay? Do you need to go to the hospital? (after guy got rejected)
ME: Just checking cause that guy was hitting on you pretty hard back there.

Terrible. Transparent. Cheesy.

Make your own routines, and don't whine.

Here's a "kino routine" I made up last night - "hey, warm my hands, they're cold." [walking outside in freezing weather, while with her friends].

I'm sure Mystery pulls a lot more tail than me but I just can't force myself to say and do these routines. I like a more situational opener that isn't forced. I take my time, acquire my target, and move forward from there.

[mlucasone]

I would be flattered by being called out lol. They notice I am approaching them, but they haven't called me out before. I usually use a form of one of Roosh's canned line. Something like, "You look thrilled to be here tonight.", or, "You look like the most excited person in this place." Depending on if they look bored or if they are actually having fun. I would simplify your openers and make things more tailored for the situation. That should make you appear more authentic.

[speakeasy]

Sorry dude, but you deserved exactly what you got. The cat got out of the bag on PUA several years ago. Even before Mystery's TV show and Keys to the VIP and all that stuff. When Neil Strauss wrote the game, which was probably 5 years ago now, he was already saying women had heard these routines and were calling guys out on them. Once Mystery started showing up on Jay Leno talking about the game, that was the nail in the coffin. This was now mainstream. None of these gurus give a damn about the PUA community anymore, they're all in it for the money.

It reminds me of how the UFC evolved. When it started out, the Brazilian Jujitsu guys were doing shit nobody had ever heard of. Royce Gracie was kicking ass and taking names. Defeating guys that literally 4x his weight(like sumo wrestlers). But as the word got out about BJJ, everyone else started training in it. Now if you walk into the UFC octagon and ALL you know is BJJ, you're gonna get killed. When it first started though, anyone that knew even a little was cleaning house because there was no competition.

Same thing with PUA routines. If you knew this shit back in 90s before everyone else did, you were probably tearing up some pussy. Now that everyone and his mom knows about Mystery, and there are a zillion "gurus" out there claiming to be the best new thing going, the advantage is negated. The field has now evolved. Fuck all these PUA routines. Their time has come and gone.

I think it's now time to get back to the basics. Just raw, natural game, as it's been for thousands of years. No more best friends test, or canned openers. or any lame shit like that. Just pure confidence, personality, style and charm. My guess is that the guys getting the most pussy out there aren't using any routines. They just have raw game.

[zorgon]

Maybe Austin has been affected less than LA and other big cities by the PUA phenomenon, but I have never once been blown out on grounds of being a supposed PUA in certainly no less than 200 approaches over the last few months.

[Prodigy]

good point speakeasy. Right now I'm fairly new to PUA (6 months maybe), and am on information overload basically. I think it is better to try and learn the "game" and get called out on it, than to not even try at all. I am not a natural and never will be. I have to learn this stuff. I am just frustrated b/c like you said, "They're in it for the money." Every time I open a set I never use opinion openers, or I have to get back to my friends, and all that other popular stuff. It has definitely evolved.

[Roosh]

And thing is you are using mystery's OLD shit.

Just tone it down... more basic lines

[Trotter]

Yeah, there's a fine line. A lot of guys don't understand what it means to be cocky. They take that as to mean they need to pour it on and try to shower a chick with clever one liners. What happens is that it becomes obvious and almost cliche.