Quote: (06-24-2014 01:55 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:
WIA I am curious. Do you think there is no such thing as "fool's mate" in general?
It's complicated...
Here's the formal definition.
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"In pickup, it is possible to obtain a fool’s mate via drunk targets who are alone, horny, and desperate. However the community does not consider this real game. A lay is a lay, but sleeping with a girl because of fool’s mate will not improve a PUA’s skill level. Also, the girl will likely be mad, or embarrassed at her own bad decision making. This guarantees that the sexual relationship does not last for more than one night. Masters are in this for the long run, or aim to develop multiple long term sexual and intimate relationships."
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The Beginnings
Regular high school dude, raging hormones
- some of those guys approach and get rejected, over and over again, and they fear rejection, thus develop approach anxiety
- another set of guys merely HEARS ABOUT REJECTION, and they develop approach anxiety.
Then they hear about game.
They might learn a trick or two, but most don't have a full handle on the process.
Anyway, they get over approach anxiety, get over rejection, and they start to get some success.
These guys that are now not afraid of rejection, aren't necessarily running game. They think they are, but they're not.
Sets are opening, they're hooking, and everything starts to move in the right direction.
The Underlying Reality?
What the man is truly discovering, imo, is the 3 types
1) there's a type of girl that will never fuck you
2) there's a type of girl that will always fuck you
And then
3) there's the type that is on the fence.
Game mostly applies to chicks on the fence.
As you develop your game, The #'s of chicks who'd never fuck you decrease, the ones who will always fuck you decrease, and the ones on the fence are much easier to handle.
RVF Influence
I had to rethink this theory when I encountered the ideas of
- sexual marketplace value - which is as nerdy as my partitioned Bell curve distribution
- Active game
- PASSIVE GAME.
Tuth? Gio? Samseau? Roosh? I'm not sure who to credit, but it makes my Bell Curve/SMV thing explainable
If you've got good passive game, which is a combination of
- genetics,
- health and fitness,
- style
- favorable logistics
That helps increase the # of chicks that would want to fuck you.
Your active game, your mind for a human psychology, experience with hot chicks, your words, your actions - this is what "internet" game primarily focuses.
What do I say and do? That's what we actually mean when we say game. I like to harp on , "what do you think about", but essentially how you think about the game is what informs the "say and do"/active part of the game.
Fool's Mate/Full Circle
So the young guy who's just learning game, the first thing that happens
- he manages his approach anxiety
When you start out, there's really way too much going on with game to do more than just that handle that Fear/Flight response that comes from approaching strange girls.
So if all he has is he balls to approach, then he's not really using game.
So if he get's a lay, it's fool's mate. He just kinda showed up and pussy got thrown at him.
But how did he get the lay?
2 things
- finally able to put himself in the situation. He can finally discover that niche of girls that wants to fuck him, regardless of where his game is.
- they want to fuck him because of his passive game, the things that he does outside of "Who Lies More". SMV might be useful here, but I just don't like the idea.
Level 1 - Sex with strangers is possible
Realizing that there are girls that naturally want to take his semen is a huge revelation for most guys. The only thing holding them back was fear of the approach, and fear of the rejection.
This guy doesn't need "game" anymore to get laid. He can get laid, as long as he's diligent. This the case for many Average Dudes out there.
He's able to cash in on his SMV/Passive game.
Level 2 - There are some chicks out there looking for love TONIGHT
And what comes next is that he's able to ferret out the signs that a chick might be interested.
I.E. nosing out the chicks that are down to fuck.
This is level 2. He starts to see sex possibilities everywhere. Throw in the fact that he can handle AA, and he starts to really do #'s
This is the beginning of game, imo.
Level 3 - Handling those Chicks on the Fence
Level 3 is when he realizes that there are girls that might fuck him, because he senses it, but also senses some resistance.
Now we're talking about Game. Now he has to really work on a chick's mind, and present her with opportunities. Now he entices, lures, attracts...
Level 4 - The Battle
Level 4 is when he sees a chick, and gets no signs from her that she'd fuck him...but he's able to talk to her and get her to realize what she's missing.
He attracts, he arouses, and he gets her alone for some one-on-one religious counseling.
If you could ask her what she thought of him upon sight, she wouldn't have gushed about how cool and hot he was. He was essentially invisible. But he became visible, he became attractive. He stirred her loins. And he removed all barriers to the word no.
^This is what Mystery, imo, was after.
There's a really "famous" in-field clip of him defanging an antagonistic bitch, and you watch this evil viper transform into a cuddly kitten. She hates him, and then she likes him because of what he says and does.
That's the game for him.
So I understand why he'd call anything beneath the "battle of wills" fool's mate.
But I don't believe in the concept.
Even if you go to the meat market, and run into the Town Slut, she can still get dick from any other guy there. You're doing something active if she decides to hop on your cock that night. It's more than all of her other choices. And even the Town Bike needs a little encouragement and managing.
WIA