[Sombro]

"I told my boyfriend that I want to marry about the sexual things I did for previous boyfriends that I won’t do for him and now he’s mad."

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/190667/

Gold from the comments:

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This woman is complaining she was giving out for free to guys that she didn't really click with something that her "soulmate" wishes he could share with her and she is expecting him to give up everything to bathe in the light of her awesomeness for eternity. I guess she has the market cornered on the things he hopes to find in a woman. Oh, and HE is also just being honest, which is the core fault in all her previous relationships.

Now who is Young and Stupid?

[El Chinito loco]

This reminds me of the movie Chasing Amy where the protagonist finds out that his girlfriend was an enormous slut. However in typical blue pill Hollywood fashion the movie kind of justifies it in the end as being alright and a learning experience that men should accept from their women.

[tarquin]

Did you read the horrible advice given out at the Washington Post?
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/...story.html

Quote:

Maybe he’s just young and stupid and will eventually figure out that your life mileage is not about him, but how many cheap shots are you prepared to take from him — in the bedroom, at your most vulnerable — while you wait for him to grow up?

Young and Stupid? Cheap shots?

No, he got a dose of reality about who he is really dating and his lot in life if he doesn't change. He is focusing his frustration on her, fairly or not.

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Until you meet someone you feel lucky to know and who feels lucky to know you, as-is, you’re not there yet.

So how do you find somebody who knows you as you are?

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You can’t prevent someone from having mental images of you with someone else, but you can certainly prevent them from being accurately detailed — and you can hold out for someone mature enough not to be haunted or threatened by the fact that you’ve had a life.

You lie about your past to him!

[Coldfire]

What the hell did she expect? No man would ever be cool with that. She'll do it with some random guy but not him? fuck that noise

[Samseau]

How can she claim to like him as a man yet not please him sexually in all the other ways she has pleased other men?

It seems most women are incapable of understanding things from a man's point of view. It's not just that she was a slut. It's that she gave preferential treatment to men who cared less about her than her actual boyfriend.

A woman who does not let you have her way with you but did so for other men is a major red flag. If she felt more attracted to other me why would she be loyal to you in the long run?

[HawkWrites]

She's either not attracted to the poor bastard physically or she has some kind of block against doing those same things with him. Her slut defenses may be flaring up and she may not want her new guy to think of her as anything other than "perfect".

[Kimber]

I got a headache from reading the comments section. Then I got mad. I suppose it's a sign that I've truly digested the red pill in that I think it is incredibly dumb that people are chastising him for wanting what she gave away to other boyfriends but is unwilling to do for him.

Imagine the uproar, imagine the fucking outrage if it was the other way round. Imagine what would happen if it surfaced that this dude would take a fuck buddy to Europe, but is only willing to take his girl to a neighbouring town. Or if he bought another bitch a set of diamond earrings and got this girl skittles. Imagine SJW's coming out in full force then, they would call for his head, they would castrate him, crucify him.

This is incredibly obvious to some, but girls only write shit like this to get their opinion validated; they're not seeking advice, they're not seeking guidance or counsel, they want the emotional pat on the back so they can continue being cuntish. A woman only needs the support of the majority to feel vindicated in her views, whether or not it is morally questionable. It's a shame that men of today lack the constitution or conviction to stand the fuck up and say 'no, this is bullshit, why the hell would I give my everything, my time, my money, my resources, my most valuable assets as a man for you to not give me what you gave other guys for free'.

[Kingsley Davis]

Alpha fucks beta bucks.

[Kimber]

(06-23-2014 12:13 AM)HawkWrites Wrote:  

She's either not attracted to the poor bastard physically or she has some kind of block against doing those same things with him. Her slut defenses may be flaring up and she may not want her new guy to think of her as anything other than "perfect".

I completely disagree. She probably wants to do these things with him on a logical level, even on an emotional level. but on a visceral primal level, he most likely lacks the testosterone, the primal switches that trigger her insatiable lust to submit to the dominant masculine.

Women aren't the evil creatures we portray them to be. They're victims of their biology just as much, if not more than men. Society has royally fucked us, women are told to like a certain type of guy - nice, caring, thoughtful, a man who considers her his equal. It's the opposite of what they want.

You say he's the poor bastard in the scenario, and he is. But she's equally fucked. It must be frustrating wanting something, but not being able to communicate what you want, not knowing what you want.

But hey, he should get the fuck out of there, if she ain't willing to do anal, or blowjobs or whatever with him because he isn't 'alpha' enough, it's only a matter of time before she finds someone who is and does it behind his back.

[poutsara]

Hey, on the plus side she at least told him her history. Most would have said nothing. At least he knows what's he is dealing with now and can plan accordingly.

Then again, unless you have really good reason to think a girl hasn't slept around, then you should assume she has and if by chance you find out otherwise, good for you.

The guy is 23 according to the article. He has years if not decades ahead of him to do what he wants. If she is it, right now, then so be it. His best strategy is to roll with it if it's fun, not to care, and of course not marry her if this bothers him - and it probably should.

[Kimber]

(06-23-2014 12:10 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

How can she claim to like him as a man yet not please him sexually in all the other ways she has pleased other men?

It seems most women are incapable of understanding things from a man's point of view. It's not just that she was a slut. It's that she gave preferential treatment to men who cared less about her than her actual boyfriend.

A woman who does not let you have her way with you but did so for other men is a major red flag. If she felt more attracted to other me why would she be loyal to you in the long run?

See my above post. Women don't even understand their own points of view, let alone those of men. I may be misinterpreting but you write as if it is her choice. Attraction isn't a choice.

But yea, red flag, he needs to get the fuck out.

[HawkWrites]

(06-23-2014 12:21 AM)Kimber Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 12:13 AM)HawkWrites Wrote:  

She's either not attracted to the poor bastard physically or she has some kind of block against doing those same things with him. Her slut defenses may be flaring up and she may not want her new guy to think of her as anything other than "perfect".

I completely disagree. She probably wants to do these things with him on a logical level, even on an emotional level. but on a visceral primal level, he most likely lacks the testosterone, the primal switches that trigger her insatiable lust to submit to the dominant masculine.

Women aren't the evil creatures we portray them to be. They're victims of their biology just as much, if not more than men. Society has royally fucked us, women are told to like a certain type of guy - nice, caring, thoughtful, a man who considers her his equal. It's the opposite of what they want.

You say he's the poor bastard in the scenario, and he is. But she's equally fucked. It must be frustrating wanting something, but not being able to communicate what you want, not knowing what you want.

But hey, he should get the fuck out of there, if she ain't willing to do anal, or blowjobs or whatever with him because he isn't 'alpha' enough, it's only a matter of time before she finds someone who is and does it behind his back.

Then that would beget the lack of physical attraction. If he can't get his intention across there's no reason for her to do anything.

[Carlos100]

Rollo Tomassi wrote about this kind of thing on his blog.

[EisenBarde]

Any man interested in marriage should invest as much money in a detailed background investigation as he does an engagement ring.

[El Chinito loco]

(06-23-2014 12:35 AM)EisenBarde Wrote:  

Any man interested in marriage should invest as much money in a detailed background investigation as he does an engagement ring.

More men need to do this. Even a somewhat expensive private investigator can uncover a lot of sordid details that will save you a lifetime of ruin and financial headaches later on.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

@Kimber: the difference is that women lie about it and/or expected to be treated favorably because of it. It's the hypocrisy that offends most people, not the exact nature of sexual relations.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I have a great idea! I'm gonna date a bunch of women I don't care about and buy them expensive necklaces, high-fashion dresses, diamond rings, and such.

Then I'm going to marry a nice girl and give her next to nothing.

Then I'm gonna tell her how I treated the women before her. Then I'll whine when she's not completely understand.

This is a great idea.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-23-2014 12:21 AM)Kimber Wrote:  

(06-23-2014 12:13 AM)HawkWrites Wrote:  

She's either not attracted to the poor bastard physically or she has some kind of block against doing those same things with him. Her slut defenses may be flaring up and she may not want her new guy to think of her as anything other than "perfect".

I completely disagree. She probably wants to do these things with him on a logical level, even on an emotional level. but on a visceral primal level, he most likely lacks the testosterone, the primal switches that trigger her insatiable lust to submit to the dominant masculine.

Women aren't the evil creatures we portray them to be. They're victims of their biology just as much, if not more than men. Society has royally fucked us, women are told to like a certain type of guy - nice, caring, thoughtful, a man who considers her his equal. It's the opposite of what they want.

You say he's the poor bastard in the scenario, and he is. But she's equally fucked. It must be frustrating wanting something, but not being able to communicate what you want, not knowing what you want.

But hey, he should get the fuck out of there, if she ain't willing to do anal, or blowjobs or whatever with him because he isn't 'alpha' enough, it's only a matter of time before she finds someone who is and does it behind his back.

Indeed - the positive is that she is trying to make a change at the age of 23 - she could have ridden the carousel for way longer.

The bad thing is that the Beta boy does not excite her as much as the Alphas she has fucked before. If her Beta-boy would start learning Game, become more dominant in life and in the bedroom she might gladly become his personal slut. She WANTS TO BE ATTRACTED TO HIM BUT SIMPLY CANNOT!
Plenty of Alphas would look past her carousel-riding because she realised the stupidity of it in her prime. The Alphas would also be able incite exactly the same sexual feelings in her.

ROK should have an advice column for both men and women - that would be way more effective for both!

[RawGod]

Problem is that it is a case of the woman writing in to the female advice columnist, and the commenters mainly being women. The discussion on that site has nothing to do with what is best for the boyfriend, or for men generally. We live in separate worlds and can't communicate.

[player]

The Parable of Mark and Lauren Wrote:

Lauren is happy. Last night, her boyfriend Mark finally told her he loved her. She had been wanting that ever since they started seeing each other four months ago. She had been having sex with him, and it had been pleasurable for sure, but she was doing so hoping it would turn into something more: love.

Mark had been aloof and slow to give away his emotions. Lauren didn’t mind this, she even preferred it. It meant that she had to work for his love, and by the time he said it, she felt she had earned it and that it really meant something to him.

Lauren set up an excited brunch with her friends Stina, Terri and Lisa. They hadn’t seen each other in four months, in fact none of them knew she was dating Mark. Right away, she starts telling them the good news.

“Wow” said Stina, “I didn’t even know you were dating a new guy! That’s great.”

“Yeah”, said Terri, “what is the guy’s name?”

“Mark Smith”, said Lauren. A hush immediately fell over her support group as they began to give each other awkward looks.

“Uhhhh, Lauren”, said Lisa, “Mark Smith has loved a lot of girls.”

“Yeah”, said Stina, “He told Jackie Valenti he loved her.”

“Okay” said Lauren, “But she probably fucked his brains out, right? Like, he was definitely getting sex from her?”

Stina cringes. “No” she says, “They never even kissed. He went over to her place drunk one night and professed his love for her. She never even let him in her bedroom.”

“Alright but that’s only one girl. That’s okay.” Said Lauren, getting nervous.

“Well there’s also Andrea Tedesco. He told her he loved her after two casual dates.” said Terri, “She was bragging that she kept him around for a while, getting ‘good morning beautiful’ texts from him and other indications of love whenever she needed it, and she only stopped accepting his love when he started to want sex. He still writes on her facebook wall.”

Lauren felt a deep pit in her stomach.

Lisa continues: “Mark told Angelica Messina he loved her the first night he met her. She said he was REALLY into it, looking her right in the eyes when he said it, getting down on his knees in front of her just to kiss her hand, and he even recited poetry for her. She gave him one of those awkward one arm hugs and that was it.”

He never did that freaky stuff with me, thought Lauren. If he does that stuff, then why did I just get a plain old “I love you”?

Plus Angelica is the biggest cocktease in the city, thought Lauren. How could Mark fall for her bullshit? What an idiot. Now she thought Mark was stupid as well as loose with his love.

Stina says, apologetically, “I don’t want to tell you this, but I heard Mark met a girl in a club and dragged her into the bathroom to tell her she was beautiful, then he gave her twenty dollars. She never even touched him.”

“Okay, please stop” said Lauren. She was growing sicker by the second, her world crushed.

Later, she confronts Mark with her new knowledge. Did he really love all those girls without getting sex from them? She demands to know.

“Well yeah but I didn’t really WANT sex from them”, Mark lies, possibly even to himself, “I wanted to give them love, that’s all. I wasn’t ready for sex at that point in my life.”

“Uggggghhhhh” says Lauren, “Don’t you know that guys who give girls love and attention without getting sex are LOSERS??? The girls getting the love and attention don’t actually respect them, they are just using them!”

“No way, guys can want love without sex, too”, claims Mark.

“Well I heard you told Shirley Thompson from my building you loved her and I have to look at her every day. Plus she’s really pretty, there’s no way she was going to fuck you! Why did you love her?” says Lauren.

“Is that what this is about”, Mark says, “You are just insecure because I have more experience with love than you. You think you can’t measure up to all the beautiful girls I’ve loved in the past.”

“Just how many girls did you tell you loved?” asks Lauren

“I don’t know, about 30″ says Mark

This hits Lauren like a brick in the stomach. “30! That is insane, you are a loser!”

“Can’t you see that my past doesn’t matter, and you are giving me sex now and that’s all that matters?” says Mark, “I love the sex we have and that’s something I didn’t get from the other girls.”

Mark can’t see why this only makes Lauren madder. Why should she be the one who has to pay by putting her valuable eggs at risk by taking his sperm in order to get the love and attention that the other girls got so easily.

“Well if you give away love so easily, why did you make me wait?” says Lauren, “Was I not as good as the other girls?”

“Well I saw the chance for sex with you and I didn’t want to mess that up by giving away love too soon”, says Mark.

Lauren dumped Mark.

She had to.

Someone so loose with their emotions is not a good person to give sex to.

What if they have a son who turns out to be easily manipulated by a pretty face, like Mark?

What if a pretty girl in need bats her eyelashes at him and he gives her money that their family needs?

What if she just wants a man’s love all to herself and that can’t happen with Mark?

Even beyond that, on a very visceral, base level that she couldn’t explain, she found Mark repulsive. It was as if she had been wired biologically to feel disgust and lack of attraction for guys who allow themselves to get friendzoned. There was no way she could fuck him again.

Yup, it was as clear as day, thought Lauren. Guys who give away love easily are definitely not worthy of sex.

http://laidnyc.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/...nd-lauren/

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

While the parable above is written as satire, the equation it describes is really true: Beta men and slutty women share the fact that they give away their main asset easily and/or indiscriminately.

[Mongo]

I think that parable summed up the hypocrisy perfectly. As HCE said, too many give away their main asset indiscriminately. Law of supply and demand at work; as you flood the market with something, it loses values.

[Foolsgo1d]

He doesn't have a firm hand and she is in the perfect buyers remorse of receiving it up the shitter, swallowing gallons of man seed and threesomes.

He knows this, she knows it. He wants it but she aint giving it but he hasn't dumped her because he cant do better. A perfect poisonous couple.

[The Beast1]

Sigh, i told a fwb who had a higher notch count than me to not tell her future fiance about her sexual past. We were talking about it and she seemed alright hiding the fact.

Even went so far as to tell me that if i got invited to their wedding she doesn't know if she could keep her hands off me...

Sloots gonna sloot.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

True romance and funny as hell - if she isn't into you like that, then certainly don't marry the bitch: