[All or Nothing]

(06-19-2014 10:32 PM)good looking loser Wrote:  

Just a heads up -- wait until we publish some more aggressive stuff, the guys that think getting a handful of numbers with 'no game' is nuts are going to have a field day with the next video(s).

welp - gotta get back to work, I have plenty of aspiring LA actresses to call, stay tuned.

Next time on The Day Game of our Lives, Chris at GoodLookingLoser goes HAM on a hot big tittied blond chick and gets the same day lay.

Everyone at RVF loses their minds.

[poly_72]

I think GLL has some good stuff. After starting his Approach Anxiety Program I feel much more confident with gaming chicks..

[Gorgiass]

(06-19-2014 10:32 PM)good looking loser Wrote:  

Just a heads up -- wait until we publish some more aggressive stuff, the guys that think getting a handful of numbers with 'no game' is nuts are going to have a field day with the next video(s).

welp - gotta get back to work, I have plenty of aspiring LA actresses to call, stay tuned.

See, that was a good reframe, solid game!

But if you're telling us the last scene where the underacting, no emotion chica couldn't spot the camera 20 ft away when she was looking for it is legit, well, Jenna Jameson deserves ~115 Oscars. I'm sure you have your legal reasons for doing what you're doing to sell what you're selling, but I ain't buying. No offense meant.

[soup]

I think "yad stop" sounds cool.

[good looking loser]

(06-19-2014 10:32 PM)good looking loser Wrote:  

welp - gotta get back to work, I have plenty of aspiring LA actresses to call, stay tuned.

(06-19-2014 11:15 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

"welp - gotta get back to work, I have plenty of aspiring LA actresses to call, stay tuned."

^To hire for more videos?

couldn't resist

Yes, Christian - that was the joke, I'm glad you picked up on it.

I have a busy night of calling actresses and pornstars for my next gig.

You've made me realize I can't hire less expensive actresses though, apparently they don't do a good enough job.

(06-19-2014 11:15 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

I don't knock your hustle and I'm sure you have solid advice on your blog, but members have asked valid questions and you don't seem to want to answer them which makes it seem shady.

What questions have I not answered? I've been pretty active on this thread.

I wanted to hear back from Krauser actually - last I checked he realized the video was completely legitimate. (for reasons that I don't really understand)
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-37295-...#pid758270

In all seriousness, and I don't expect you to admit to this, according to our mutual friend -

you don't actually think my stuff is fake
you don't actually think my clothing is terrible
you don't actually think my "game" sucks

this all goes back to "club game" thing when you made it your 2014 mission to try to discredit me.
(this is your guy talking)

you thought you had dirt on me with this video and largely this forum (by all means, your guys) realizes that it's completely real
But again, I don't even believe that you think it's fake (this is based on what I've heard from my informant on your end)

btw- I have to laugh everytime you ask your audience for recommendations for your radio show - people tell you to "have GLL on your podcast", "have Chris on!!" --- you must be totally disgusted.

I'm going enforce my own 24-hour rule and end my involvement in this thread.

When I'm answering questions like "how are you able to come out of the trees and talk to girls????" "how does the bandana not scare them????" I have to let this go.

for further reference, I defer to my original statement - and I appreciate all the thank you's on it.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-37295-...#pid758182

I'll let you have the last word (and I promise to read it).

[Christian McQueen]

(06-20-2014 01:27 AM)good looking loser Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 10:32 PM)good looking loser Wrote:  

welp - gotta get back to work, I have plenty of aspiring LA actresses to call, stay tuned.

(06-19-2014 11:15 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

"welp - gotta get back to work, I have plenty of aspiring LA actresses to call, stay tuned."

^To hire for more videos?

couldn't resist

Yes, Christian - that was the joke, I'm glad you picked up on it.

Obviously sarcasm goes over your head.

I have a busy night of calling actresses and pornstars for my next gig.

You've made me realize I can't hire less expensive actresses though, apparently they don't do a good enough job.

(06-19-2014 11:15 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

I don't knock your hustle and I'm sure you have solid advice on your blog, but members have asked valid questions and you don't seem to want to answer them which makes it seem shady.

What questions have I not answered? I've been pretty active on this thread.

You haven't answered El Mech or Travesty's questions. Travesty asked where the park is. One member said he lives in Washington and would like to check the park out. Why not tell him, if you're so transparent?

I wanted to hear back from Krauser actually - last I checked he realized the video was completely legitimate. (for reasons that I don't really understand)
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-37295-...#pid758270

In all seriousness, and I don't expect you to admit to this, according to our mutual friend -

Don't be glib. You're referring to MikeCF, because that's the only mutual 'friend' we have. Keep it real.

you don't actually think my stuff is fake

Says who? I do think it's setup, unless you change my mind.

you don't actually think my clothing is terrible

Uh, yea. Unless dressing like a cholo is cool with kids these days.

you don't actually think my "game" sucks

When did I ever say your game sucks? You have a law degree correct? Can you not stay on topic? My main point has always been that the video seems fake, as in SETUP, as many other posters have pointed out (besides the ones saying it's not. Shockingly enough, they have 20-30 posts each).

this all goes back to "club game" thing when you made it your 2014 mission to try to discredit me.
(this is your guy talking)

Actually Chris, not to be a dick, but you're not a threat to my club game or what I teach about club game, because you're simply not on my level. It's not a diss, it's just facts. To put it in Hollywood terms: You still think AV is the cool club, that's how out of touch you are with the real club/party scene.

you thought you had dirt on me with this video and largely this forum (by all means, your guys) realizes that it's completely real
But again, I don't even believe that you think it's fake (this is based on what I've heard from my informant on your end)

Informant? Are you in a 3-letter gov't agency? Grow up. Be a man. Mike CF is clearly your 'informant', but you're afraid to rough the waters.

btw- I have to laugh everytime you ask your audience for recommendations for your radio show - people tell you to "have GLL on your podcast", "have Chris on!!" --- you must be totally disgusted.

No, not in the least. You have your own podcast and my show isn't about penis pumps and shoving needles in my arm. Fitness has already been covered with a well known guest Elliott Hulse. Maybe you've heard of him.

I'm going enforce my own 24-hour rule and end my involvement in this thread.

Congrats.

When I'm answering questions like "how are you able to come out of the trees and talk to girls????" "how does the bandana not scare them????" I have to let this go.

Senior members ask you questions, so you take your ball and run away. Why?

for further reference, I defer to my original statement - and I appreciate all the thank you's on it.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-37295-...#pid758182

I'll let you have the last word (and I promise to read it).

My rebuttal is above in bold.


Apparently you and your 'informant' think I have it out for you. Let me be clear: I do not and to be frank, I could care less, but I do care about the integrity of the forum which is a great resource for men.

When a member shows a video and says it's real and others question that, it's on the member who showed the video to explain why it is.

Your blog and mine are entirely two different blogs, so it's not about trying to 'bury you'. I do just fine and I actively support other blogs, including MikeCF's and those who I believe bring value to mens' lives, but for some reason you have a bone to pick with me.

I'm here. I'm keeping it real. If you have a problem shoot me a PM and we can discuss.

But for the record to the forum: I don't have a problem with you, I simply questioned if the video was staged. Pretty simple.

[All or Nothing]

[soup]

[good looking loser]

Only replying because you mentioned MikeCF (who is that?- - Mike From Danger and Play??)

If so that's not who I'm talking about. Swear on my life. Ask MikeCF (whoever that is) or Mike from D&P.

[Christian McQueen]

You weren't aware MikeCF is Mike from D and P?

Okay

[soup]

That MikeCF or Danger and Play guy..

You guys need to "Yad Stop" all this animosity.

[Travesty]

Shit, I think GLL could win this one. 4 rep points in the last day from lower rep members. If we keep this thread open long enough he will have more rep from being noticed by defending this video that you have in total McQueen.
Just needs a few more weeks.



Honestly don't care either way if the video is fake. I think you have lots of great material GLL.

I just want to know the name of that park, because it will benefit Seattle players here. I even know it isn't just before finals week anymore and the park may be cleared out as chicks left for summer. Trust me I day game on a college campus 3-4x a week and it is old man balls droopy dead right now.

Is it right next to UW?

Ok so scratch my idea I pushed repeatedly to have El Mech on the McQueen show.

We need GLL + El Mech + McQueen tearing down issue after issue together on the same show while Dagonet hides away in the corner in fright!

[soup]

Here's the thing..

It doesn't matter if shit is staged or not.

I've been in situations with actors and sex happens regardless of whether or not people are reading off of a script.

The trick to game is to read what they body language is saying.. what are the two people doing in each other's presence?

Think about it like this:
We all play social roles. We all have scripts that we recite to strangers and friends.. Next time your iphone rings, it even gives you options on texts to send to not answer the call (stuff like "I'm busy now.. I'll call you later")

Even if this stuff is staged, it's still a man and a woman interacting. You can still see whether or not these people are attracted to each other. It takes very high level acting to throw something like this off and I'm pretty sure Chris doesn't have the budget for that kind of talent.

I guarantee that the the girl reading 17 magazine at the bench didn't cross her legs away from him because she was told to do so.

[Bushido]

Not going to get involved in this, but it's amusing that you guys are so suspicious about a park that sometimes has hot girls sitting on benches.

Is America really that bad?

[soup]

(06-20-2014 03:09 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Not going to get involved in this, but it's amusing that you guys are so suspicious about a park that sometimes has hot girls sitting on benches.

Is America really that bad?

[Travesty]

(06-20-2014 03:09 AM)dreambig Wrote:  

Not going to get involved in this, but it's amusing that you guys are so suspicious about a park that sometimes has hot girls sitting on benches.

Is America really that bad?

I'm not trying to smoke him out, or act like I never walk out my front door.

In 10+ years of living in CA I have not been to a park where many attractive young women sit around alone in a park to read or study over the course of hours.

They are walking with fucking starbucks with their friend in yoga pants and sun glasses on with the smart phone out.

This seems almost European to me.

I want this park next to my house. No park in Santa Barbara is like this. Parks are for fucking bums.

Isn't it the same in Seattle?

I'm going to Japan.

[good looking loser]

(06-20-2014 03:09 AM)soup Wrote:  

Here's the thing..

It doesn't matter if shit is staged or not.

Soup - it does matter though.

This is my reputation at stake - and need I to set the record straight.

[Captain Gh]

(06-19-2014 12:15 AM)Krauser Wrote:  

This video has literally disturbed my sleep as I've tried to reconcile the cognitive dissonance caused by two seemingly mutually exclusive facts:

1) Chris has a reputation for being legit. The risk of tarnishing that for the negligible benefit of a number-farming video is insane.
2) The video is fake as shit in every way imaginable.

It's hurt my head more than a Johnny Berba infield. I think I now understand what's going on. Immediately upon viewing the video I was 100% sure it's fake. Now I'm genuinely on the fence. What are the facts of the video as I see them?

- Chris spouts appallingly bad game. To the extent that every Maybe Girl becomes a No, and most Yes Girls would also become No. Presumably these are the sets that somehow resisted his bad game and remained Maybes.
- The girls show zero emotional engagement, like they are simulacra / alien imposters playing dress-up as humans.
- The conversations are like C3PO talking to R2D2.
- There's not a single natural feminine reaction in the video.
- Girls are incredibly open, compliant and hand out numbers easily.
- Chris is a very good-looking guy and the girls are cute but unremarkable (i.e. clearly below him in looks)
- Ultimately it's just number farming. Nothing more compliant.

So I first thought he'd just got a bunch of girls he was already friends with to stand in to make it easy to shoot a textbook teachable video....

And then I realised the obvious: this is the USA. It's a completely broken country. The women COULD be like this, and COULD respond to this GLGG because the whole male-female dynamic is fucked. It's Jersey Shore without the booze. Those women aren't bad actresses playing a porno script, they really are that lacking in emotional development. Chris isn't really a fraud reading a script, he's just a very good looking guy who knows his mere existence is enough to collect numbers from such women.

I was judging the video by Euro standards. It couldn't possibly be legit in Belgrade/Riga/Prague/Paris. Girls are different, men are different, the whole cultural norms are different. I've literally never seen one interaction like that result in a number here, much less ten in one day. Even my friends who could pull entirely on looks (Jabba, Lee), the girls show some sexual tension and excitement - not emotionless uncanny-valley behaviour.

That sounds like I'm replacing my accusation of "fraud" with a new one of "bad game". I think it's more like I'm replacing it with "I guess that's the game you have to play on those girls in that environment". I'd appreciate any experienced US daygamers chiming in with their thoughts.

For now, that's the best explanation I can come up with. I think I jumped the gun in calling Chris a fraud. I'm on the fence.

Ah!! This is exactly why I taught in the back of my mind why a gamer like you would think this is fake! The gaming aspect of it is the same, but over here ( North America) good looking beefy guy get away with bad game all the time Krauser. In this video, Chris represents the "frat dude" who lifts hard being around campus delving into his emotions. He's the frat dude who's into her.

At that point, only being mentally retarted would prevent him from getting at least a #--that's it! I remember when I started I was too scared for doing the Yad stop, so I was strictly doing face to face Daygame.

I was really bad, but at the end of the ok interaction I would up hugging the girls to get some confidence ( and I'ma be honest I wanted to get my D hard too since I was NOT getting laid anytime soon).

Just by being a big ok guy with a sly smile is all that it took! Believe me that if these were on camera, they would look so much worse than that! The funny thing is that you're so analytical about every details of an approach and that's why you're a fantastic gamer. But by gaming here in North America, a chick would probably say to herself that you were too smooth in the approach and dumbing it down would actually improve your results! Life is simply counter-intuitive here in NA.

[Christian McQueen]

Maybe this was addressed earlier, I went through and didn't see it, but it's late and I'm tired.

How were the girls voices so clear?

I've been on movie and TV sets and the girls voices are crystal clear as though they have a mic. Is yours picking it up, or how does that work with your setup?

This is a technical question that could clear this up.

[All or Nothing]

(06-20-2014 03:34 AM)good looking loser Wrote:  

This is my reputation at stake - and need I to set the record straight.

Keep doing what you are doing and people will decide for themselves. And really, that is all you can do.

Also, the point you brought up about McQueen competing with you on some level is actually very interesting.

I have never seen McQueen make an active effort to discredit someone who gives dating advice before now. This makes me think that there is an underlying motive.

[good looking loser]

(06-20-2014 02:52 AM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

You weren't aware MikeCF is Mike from D and P?

Okay

No, honestly I didn't. I assume that's his forum name here?

Mike (DP) had nothing to do with this whatsoever. I swear on my family's lives. You can ask him, he's never said anything bad about you. And I don't want him wrapped up in this.

-----

As nice it is to see you all hot and bothered tonight (as you did to me last night), I don't actually want to end on a bad note. I don't want you or I stewing over this stuff.

In fact, as you know - I'm the sponsor on ROK this month.

I thanked Roosh and all you guys for accepting my sponsorship. My website has controversial stuff, including adult material. A lot of guys don't want to associate with me even though they are generally supportive.

In my thank you I said -

Quote:

Thanks a lot Roosh.

I really appreciate you guys letting me be the sponsor this month and your overall mission to pump some masculinity back into our endangered gender in an intelligent, non-caveman way (which I do to - to some extent).

There's an incredible amount of talent here.

http://www.returnofkings.com/37484/a-res...mprovement

By talent - I was referring to YOU, Christian McQueen, despite our differences in the past.

I think a lot of your stuff is great, even though we probably disagree on 1-2% of things. If it weren't for the 'club game' silly exchange, I never would seen your material.

So I purpose an Armistice.

Much like North Korea and South Korea.
* I will be South Korea, you can be North Korea. (or the other way around, if you prefer).

We will technically remain at war but there will be no fighting.

In all seriousness though- you're a smart guy, you are probably the ONLY "guru" without videos/pictures that I think is credible.

I wouldn't be on here defending myself if you didn't bring accusations. I wouldn't give most others the time of day when I know how we did these videos.

I respect what you do, even if the feeling isn't mutual.

Respectfully, you're wrong on my videos though - they are legit bud. I bet my business and reputation on it.

I can't worry about how certain details look on film when I was there.

I could have removed girl #2 ("the pornstar") avoided the majority of this 'controversy' but I didn't because that is EXACTLY how it played out.

So for the viewers at home, I'm officially done with this.

At this point, there is nothing good that can come from this for Christian or me.

I said my piece -
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-37295-...#pid758182

Good luck to you Christian, this is your home/platform and I'm not trying to make a mockery out of anything.

You have the right to question the video, ideally done a respectful manner, I have a right to defend my position and explain it as best I can.

Have a nice weekend.

Signed,
Christopher Deoudes
Chairman of GLL


***
The microphone- I'm wearing one. It's black and under my shirt about chest high. That's the reason I'm wearing the black (Mexican, haha) long-sleeve shirt on a warm day. I'll show it on the next video if you want. I've had pathetic audio in the past and we have done it right this time.

I'm not going to discuss any underlining motives that Christian has against me - I could well be completely wrong. So no PM's on this and please don't ask me on GLL. This issue is dead to me, hopefully Christian will agree.

[Baga]

nvm....

[Christian McQueen]

(06-20-2014 04:01 AM)good looking loser Wrote:  

(06-20-2014 02:52 AM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

You weren't aware MikeCF is Mike from D and P?

Okay

No, honestly I didn't. I assume that's his forum name here?

Mike (DP) had nothing to do with this whatsoever. I swear on my family's lives. You can ask him, he's never said anything bad about you. And I don't want him wrapped up in this.

-----

As nice it is to see you all hot and bothered tonight (as you did to me last night), I don't actually want to end on a bad note. I want you or I stewing over this stuff.

In fact, as you know - I'm the sponsor on ROK this month.

I thanked Roosh and all you guys for accepting my sponsorship. My website has controversial stuff, including adult material. A lot of guys don't want to associate with me even though they are generally supportive.

In my thank you I said -

Quote:

Thanks a lot Roosh.

I really appreciate you guys letting me be the sponsor this month and your overall mission to pump some masculinity back into our endangered gender in an intelligent, non-caveman way (which I do to - to some extent).

There's an incredible amount of talent here.

http://www.returnofkings.com/37484/a-res...mprovement

By talent - I was referring to YOU, Christian McQueen, despite our differences in the past.

I think a lot of your stuff is great, even though we probably disagree on 1-2% of things. If it weren't for the 'club game' silly exchange, I never would seen your material.

So I purpose an Armistice.

Much like North Korea and South Korea.
* I will be South Korea, you can be North Korea. (or the other way around, if you prefer).

We will technically remain at war but there will be no fighting.

In all seriousness though- you're a smart guy, you are probably the ONLY "guru" without videos/pictures that I think is credible.

I wouldn't be on here defending myself if you didn't bring accusations. I wouldn't give most others the time of day when I know how we did these videos.

I respect what you do, even if the feeling isn't mutual.

Respectfully, you're wrong on my videos though - they are legit bud. I bet my business and reputation on it.

I can't worry about how certain details look on film when I was there.

I could have removed girl #2 (the pornstar) avoided the majority of this 'controversy' but I didn't because that is EXACTLY how it played out.

So for the viewers at home, I'm officially done with this.

At this point, there is nothing good that can come from this for Christian or me.

I said my piece -
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-37295-...#pid758182

Good luck to you Christian, this is your home/platform and I'm not trying to make a mockery out of anything.

You have the right to question the video, ideally done a respectful manner, I have a right to defend my position and explain it as best I can.

Have a nice weekend.

Signed,
Christopher Deoudes
Chairman of GLL


***
The microphone- I'm wearing one. It's black and under my shirt about chest high. I'll show it on the next video if you want. I've had pathetic audio in the past and we have done it right this time.

Appreciate the post.

We can agree to disagree. But hell, I'm in LA too. Next time you do a shoot, invite me out and after observing, I'll personally vouch for your video.

No hard feelings and best of luck.

Everyone put your popcorn away.

North Korea has pointed their missiles back down.

In fact, I'm going to rep Chris +1 for the value he does bring with his blog to his audience (to those who think I have ulterior motives, cuz I honestly don't). Just because we have different audiences, doesn't mean I don't respect the hustle.

On that note I have a flight to catch in 3 damn hours and this thread hasn't helped let me sleep

[JoyStick]

Thanks for telling us what park you were at, GLL... Oh wait..

[good looking loser]

You're North Korea.

Dear leader









talk to you later.

have a safe flight.