[J556]

Anyone out here run game on NLP?

Does it work?

Quality training companies/blogs/books etc?

Last but not least-
Patterns youve used that work on girls?

[Scesci]

dupiest thread ever

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33889.html

same title

[Saweeep]

I once did a very expensive two week NLP course in London.

It was fascinating, tbh, but bordered on woo woo at times.

Some of the techniques were definitely useful but I found it most useful from a self hypnosis/meditation pov; I actually removed some really negative thought patterns from my own psyche over the 2 weeks.

Whether it was worth spending $5k on…still not sure.

[Brisey]

(06-12-2014 03:21 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

I once did a very expensive two week NLP course in London.

It was fascinating, tbh, but bordered on woo woo at times.

Some of the techniques were definitely useful but I found it most useful from a self hypnosis/meditation pov; I actually removed some really negative thought patterns from my own psyche over the 2 weeks.

Whether it was worth spending $5k on…still not sure.

Did you do the practitioner or the master practitioner? Who was the training provider if you don't mind me asking?

[Steve9]

(06-12-2014 03:21 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Whether it was worth spending $5k on…still not sure.

NLP is a scam that is marketed to those seeking self-help, PUAs, salesmen, psychotherapists, and anyone else wanting to communicate better.

I am sure that a few of their tips can useful, but I hope no other forum member blows $5k on this crap.

[Xm24]

5k had to be Richard Bandler in his book on sales he talks about selling cars dressed as a Num etc

See, I've always wondered if the practitioner and master practitioner courses were worth it bcuz I hung out with this hypnotist chick and she did those courses and honestly was the total opposite of most women- cool enough to have been an anchor member of Iron Maiden, funny, interesting, the girl was a walking party but she had gold digger vibes (my guess as why she was single @ 35 bcuz the men with $$$ aren't stupid).

I'm not loco when I tell you the girl was funnier than a young Eddie Murphy and really cooler than almost anyone I've ever met- it could've been the Nlp- who knows?

[Andy_B]

It's 90% bullshit with a couple nuggets of gold in there.

[PapayaTapper]

(06-10-2014 10:42 PM)J556 Wrote:  

Anyone out here run game on NLP?

Does it work?

Quality training companies/blogs/books etc?

Last but not least-
Patterns youve used that work on girls?

YES NLP is worth learning about. NO you do not need to spend a bunch of money to do so.

There's a lot of misinformation out there about what it is and isn't, but in nutshell understanding neuro linguistic programming (NLP) is about understanding how we (all humans) "talk" to ourselves. Understanding how you communicate with yourself is absolutely vital if you want to affect any kind of change.

Ever wonder why some people seem to succeed at everything, at no matter what? Well it starts with their inner dialogue

One of the most powerful tools I learned from reading about NLP is the ability to understand motivations (why we do anything) from the two most basic determinants: FEAR and DESIRE.

Everything single thing we (you, me, everyone) do or don't do is driven by fear and/or desire. Both are constantly in our inner dialogue. That's VERY powerful stuff, and that's just a small point that legitimate NLP material covers.

I strongly recommend reading some of Tony Robbins stuff, like "Awaken The Giant Within" Before he was the late night info-mercial, cheesy horse tooth fucker he is today he was one of the pioneers of formatting NLP for the mainstream. You can get his books on Amazon used for $2.

[CaptainCrazy]

(06-18-2014 11:14 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(06-10-2014 10:42 PM)J556 Wrote:  

Anyone out here run game on NLP?

Does it work?

Quality training companies/blogs/books etc?

Last but not least-
Patterns youve used that work on girls?

YES NLP is worth learning about. NO you do not need to spend a bunch of money to do so.

Please do not encourage people to study it. We need to keep it in a family. Let them continue to delude themselves.

[PapayaTapper]

Actually I think the world would be a better place if more people took the time to learn it's principles.

It's both funny and sad how the perception of NLP has been twisted into some type of cheesy parlor trickery, hypnotism or "magic" trick.

Ironically the term "Kino" that's thrown around Game circles comes from the study of NLP, specifically the kinesthetic (touch) processes of our brains

NLP Representational Systems

We all process information in four distinct ways, these are called: Visual, Auditory, Kinesthetic and Auditory digital. They are also referred to as modalities or representational systems (rep systems) – these are ways we re-present the world through our five senses and how we typically communicate them back to the world. When information reaches our brains, it is given meaning and forms a subjective experience of the world – this is our representation otherwise known as our perception. Although we use all of the representational systems, we tend to have a preference, just like there are people who prefer certain types of food.

Statistics suggest that in a developed country, people are predominantly;

60% Visual
20% Auditory
20% Kinesthetic.
It is worth bearing this statistic in mind when creating marketing or advertising material.

The representational system that we use predominantly is our own special language of our experience and it embraces all the mental processes of thinking,remembering, imagination, perception and consciousness. By understanding these more clearly, it allows us to communicate better with ourselves and others and control the way we interpret things.

The representational systems we tend to use most frequently are:

Visual (V) seeing
Auditory (A) hearing
Kinesthetic (K) feeling
Auditory digital (Ad) inner dialog or self talk and we also use our
Olfactory (O) – Smell and
Gustatory (G) - Taste
Visual

Visual people tend to do things more quickly whether that be moving or speaking. A picture says a thousand words and they're describing in words the images which are flying through their mind. They may speak in a higher pitch and they tend to sit more erect on the edge of their seats, with their eyes up and generally breathe more shallowly from the top of their lungs.

They use gestures a lot which tend to be nearer head height and have no problem throwing their hands in the air. They generally have a neat, organised and well groomed appearance and like things to 'look right.'

They find it difficult to remember verbal instructions because their minds tend to wander. They are less distracted by noise and they use visual predicates like, I see what you mean or I get the picture.

Physically, they are often thin and wiry and their hands will reflect this too with long slender fingers. Their handwriting will also likely have more sharp points to it and be written quickly.

Breathing: Top of Lungs
Speech Rate: Fast
Physical Cues: Often gesturing with hands
Predicates: See, look, watch...
Eye Accessing Cues: Top left or top right
Other Cues: Speak in higher pitch
Find out how you process information and how you need information to be delivered to you to ensure that you truly get it. Take the FREE NLP Representational Test Now

Auditory

People who are predominantly auditory do things more rhythmically. Their voice tends to me be mid range and they talk to themselves, either internally or externally; they may even move their lips when they're reading.

They breathe from the middle of their chest and use some hand gestures but not extensively. They can repeat instructions back to you easily and are distracted by noise. Auditory thinkers often tilt their head to one side in conversation, as if lending an ear or on the telephone. They memorise things in steps or sequence and like to be told things and hear feedback in conversations.

They tend to use auditory predicates such as, that rings a bell or that clicks, and are interested in what you have to say. They can be excellent listeners and enjoy music and spoken voice. Their handwriting is between the visual and kinesthetic styles.

Breathing: Middle of chest
Speech Rate: Medium
Physical Cues: Mild hand gestures
Predicates: Listen, hear, sounds like...
Eye Accessing Cues: Side to side
Other Cues: May tilt head in conversation
Find out how you process information and how you need information to be delivered to you to ensure that you truly get it. Take the FREE NLP Representational Test Now

Kinesthetic

Kinesthetic people typically breathe from the bottom of their lungs so you'll see their stomachs going in and out. They do things much more slowly than a visual person and have a deep voice. When they speak, there are long pauses between statements and they process things that are said to them to determine the feelings they get.

They respond well to touch and physical rewards. They use few hand gestures and generally stand closer to the person they're talking with. They use predicates such as, I want to get a handle on it or a firm foundation and will be able to access their emotions more readily. Physically they tend to be more solid looking and generally their hands are larger or chunky (so that they can get to grips with things).

They are interested in how you feel and memorise by walking through the process or doing it. Their handwriting is more rounded and it is likely that they'll push more firmly on the page.

Breathing: Bottom of Lungs
Speech Rate: Slow
Physical Cues: Few hand gestures, usually stands close
Predicates: Gripping, feel, rough, soft, hard...
Eye Accessing Cues: Bottom left
Other Cues: Deeper voice, takes longer pauses
Find out how you process information and how you need information to be delivered to you to ensure that you truly get it. Take the FREE NLP Representational Test Now

Auditory Digital (or Digital)

Auditory digital people will likely manifest characteristics of the other 3 representational systems. In addition, they will talk to themselves a lot and like to make sense of things and understand them.

They place a high value on logic and also like detail. They also use words which are abstract with no direct sensory link. They use predicates like, I understand your motivation or that computes with me. As a result of their emotions being attached to the words that they're using to describe, they often are less emotionally attached to outcomes (double dissociation).

Breathing: Sometimes lower abdomen
Speech Rate: Sometimes Slow
Physical Cues: Reserved
Predicates: Sensible, understand, calculate, analyse...
Eye Accessing Cues: Bottom right
Other Cues: Often not emotionally attached to outcomes

[CaptainCrazy]

Here is something anyone can try tonight.

During the convo, ask her casually "do you remember a time when you was really excited?". When she goes into a search (before she starts talking), touch her somewhere (do your kino thing).

After a little while ask the same question about the different positive emotion you'd like her to feel about you.

"Do you remember a time when you was really (positive emotion you'd like her to feel about you)?". Touch her in the same way.

Repeat as much as you want.

When you're ready to bounce off the venue, say "Let's go" and touch her in the same way to fire off the stacked anchor you've created.

This will fire off the cocktail of positive emotions in her that will be linked to going with you.

[PapayaTapper]

I remember reading something about "associative modalities" but I'll have to revisit it. That's an excellent example of applying NLP to Game.

NLP is just a form of psychology. What I like most about it is the very specific tools and applications

[el conquistador]

Derren Brown (British comedian/magician/hypnotist) gives a really balanced view on NLP in his book 'Tricks Of The Mind'.

To sum up his opinion on it: there are a couple of useful principles/techniques that are worth learning.

However, the modern courses by Bandler and Paul Mckenna are run like happy-clappy, chanting, evangelical christian meeting. People deep into NLP claim that if you 'model' Einstein then you also will be a genius

[PapayaTapper]

(07-16-2014 05:17 PM)el conquistador Wrote:  

However, the modern courses by Bandler and Paul Mckenna are run like happy-clappy, chanting, evangelical christian meeting. People deep into NLP claim that if you 'model' Einstein then you also will be a genius

Hilarious. That sounds more like a cult calling itself a science

[CaptainCrazy]

Please, I beg you, leave NLP for good.

It's a cult, pseudo-science and a scam. Keep your money and move along.

No need for more people to learn NLP.

There are no useful principle there. It won't help you in any area of your life at all.

There are no successful sales people, politicians and transnational corps that use language consciously designed to produce a specific result.

It's all bullshit. It doesn't work. Period.

[PapayaTapper]

Perception is Reality-George Berkeley

In other words. You are in control of your story.

The world we see is a reflection of who we are and what we believe. What we each perceive (believe) reality to be is usually based on what we hear, see, smell, taste, feel. That external stimuli is what we each aggregate into our own reality.How does this work? What is the mechanism that our minds use to translate stimuli into reality?

Neural Linguistic Programming (NLP). NLP is how each of our brains takes the cumulative experience of the world to form our individual reality. EVERYONE has a "program" running whether they're conscious of it or not. This internal programming is probably the biggest determinant in regards to how "satisfied" or not we are with our lives.

Most of the time we cannot control what happens in our world but we CAN always control our REACTIONS to what happens IF you know how.

One doesn't "learn NLP" like one would learn say another language. But learning about NLP can teach you about yourself and how you perceive your own reality.

Does this matter? If there's anything in your life you are dissatisfied with and want to change, then yes.

[ksbms]

NLP is no better than alchemy. It's just a bunch of assertions with no empirical jusitifcation to back it up. PapayaTapper has pasted a lot information about what NLP is supposed to be about but what is conspicuous about that information is no real explanation how the NPL people arrived at their 'conclusions'. For example, to quote from one of PapayaTapper posts:

"We all process information in four distinct ways, these are called: Visual, Auditory, Kinesthetic and Auditory digital. They are also referred to as modalities or representational systems (rep systems) – these are ways we re-present the world."

This is one of the key assertions of NLP and it is not true, according to contempoary neurocognitive science. We do not process information in four distinct ways. Even on a conceptual level, without research to prove it or not, it makes no sense - if this was the case, then the binding problem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_problem) would not absorb philosophers of mind and cognitive scientists. That is, how does it happen that the information received by different modalities is actually integrated into a cohesive unity. What we do perceive is an experience consisting of all modalities working together, instead of seperate perception of visual, auditory, olfactory or tactile stimuli (and suppposedly, people's preference to evaluate information based predominantly in one of those modalities). This cohesive unity of perception is scientifically understood as multisensory integration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multisenso...egration).

Thus, by inference to the best possible explanation that we have on offer, the NLP's key assertion is very much out of date, and by the evidence to the contrary, the whole edifice of NLP's crumbles.