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06-08-2014, 01:10 PM
No one is telling women not to achieve. But women think that their status means something to men. It doesn't. Men care about what women do for them.
"Feminism is a trade union for ugly women"- Peregrine
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06-08-2014, 01:34 PM
China has a huge surplus of men due to the tradition of favoring boys so Chinese women do get to be more choosey in the dating market. As for Asian countries with a balanced male:female ratio, holding out on marriage until 30 is a terrible idea for women.
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06-08-2014, 02:10 PM
Unfortunately, the west is influencing all the other countries in the world making them more feminist day by day. But the good news is, western countries are collapsing, and I predict that in 10 years the west will be proof to the entire world that extreme individualism, extreme liberal values and feminism lead to disaster.
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06-08-2014, 02:16 PM
Leftover women is a great term. I'm going to start using it.
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06-08-2014, 02:32 PM
I would argue the CCP is not doing enough to combat its male surplus issue. Yes, discouraging "leftover women" is a good start, but that's merely getting their women to reach "full marriage production limit" (i made that up - think of that as the full employment production limit from economics). But even if there were no leftover women and every woman got married, there would still be a surplus of men who are marriageless (not to mention the defacto polygamy that China's super rich male minority engage in through mistresses #yesallchinesemencheat). China needs to do the following things if it doesn't want to encounter more and more civil disorder in the near future:
1) legalize porn. Make it the soma for the beta males, brave new world style.
2) legalize prostitution, especially at the lower end.
3) make it super super easy for men to import brides from neighboring countries. Chinese men already do this by going to Vietnam because their purchasing power is much greater. But perhaps the CCP can provide a small subsidy.
This is not to mention that the gender issue dovetails with their shrinking labor force and greying population.
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06-08-2014, 03:07 PM
I've written about China before, but I've always been fascinated by the dysfunctional dynamics at play in Chinese society. So interesting.
1) confucian social pressures that favor family, modesty, chasteness, and virginity
2) an underlying sexual revolution brought about by western society
3) communist/confucian led "feminism." This is the thing about Chinese society that is different from the west. China had "feminism" before modern western feminism creeped in. By that, I mean the relatively gender-egalitarian principle that all children in society are encouraged to get an education, achieve, and hold white collar jobs. This was true even before Deng and market reforms.
4) modern western style feminism: you can find true love, you are special, you are entitled to your knight in shining armor, AND you can have a career.
One thing the video mentioned is actually kind of correct: you can't blame some Chinese women for their current situation, because many legitimately followed the advice of their parents, teachers, and authorities in doing well in school, getting a post-graduate degree, and getting a white collar job. It's quite reasonable that by the time all this is done, a woman is 25-27. Unless you married your college bf, or unless you are are super hot and have your selection of suitors, there is a very good chance you end up single at that age. Another thing is Chinese women are pricing themselves out of the market because a lot of men cannot compete. But again, not really their fault if all they have been doing is following orders from above.
Note: that woman interviewed in that video can't get a date because she's barely above a 5 by Chinese standards. Not because she's "intimidating." The men she wants, given her socioeconomic status, are men who can afford to be courting 7+ girls.
Keep in mind that i said "court." Who is banging whom is much more muddled, but in the marriage market, the name of the game is beta provider hypergamy. The more money you have, the more marriage options you have as a man.
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06-08-2014, 03:10 PM
I hope I wasnt the only one who clicked the thread and thought "west/east coast of the US"
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06-08-2014, 03:11 PM
that joy chen lady was bangable.
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06-08-2014, 04:44 PM
Quote: (06-08-2014 01:10 PM)vinman Wrote:
No one is telling women not to achieve. But women think that their status means something to men. It doesn't. Men care about what women do for them.
Kinda the same with women, isn't it. THat sounds counter-intuitive, but its not: Women DO care about men's status...but SOLEY because of what it can do for them... provide for them and their kids. Men also care about what women can do for them...but since men's desires for women revolve around the physical (sex, fertility) and to some degree the emotional (being a loving, supportive GF or wife)...well, status doesn't advance those goals, it gets in the way!
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06-08-2014, 04:49 PM
The end of the report did hint what 'being picky' is code for: women who've got their own money tend to become even more hypergamous and intolerant of men at their socio-economic levels and below.
It's the old story of female doctors holding out for surgeons as both surgeons and male doctors enjoy younger nurses.
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06-08-2014, 05:58 PM
As usual, the idea of a Strong Independent Woman ™ is depicted here as something intimidating or fearful to men.
Men aren't 'afraid' of a high status woman any more than they're afraid of finding a Phillips head screwdriver in a sea of flat head screws.
It's just the wrong tool for the job, nothing more.
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06-09-2014, 01:40 AM
I love that graphic. The 60-70 year old is spot on for Osaka - the place is so full of these gnarly-handed, superannuated women that even the Japanese joke about it. They will shove you out of the way to get to the discount pickled cucumber at the supermarket, and they travel in pairs and trios, trombone-like voices causing the more alert salarymen to skitter out of the way well in advance.
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06-09-2014, 01:44 AM
I'm not surprised to see asian-american women leading this charge. They are some of the most hypergamous and self righteous women you will ever meet with a narrow minded focus on social/class status above all else.
Asian-american women are in a lot of ways trojan horses. They aren't actually better than white american women in attitudes or socialization because they are also raised in American culture. However, they occupy a weird proxy space because they are insecure and pretty subservient of white men and they replaced the more bitchy demanding white women by default of being easier to access. This means they seem like a better option in the short term but the true nature usually comes out later in life.
It doesn't matter what race you are but if you have a thing for asians it's probably a better option to go full asian (racially and culturally) with a foreign wife. There's just less emotional and social baggage attached to the package. Asian-american women are good for a pump and dump though but I guess that goes for all American girls.