[Nascimento]

I post this in the newbie thread because here were my thoughts about a year ago when I was more of or still a newbie at game:

'I don't want to show too much interest, it could be creepy to her'

I'd avoid making much eye contact with girls, especially during the day.

I'd avoid looking at them sexually during the day because that's really forward in such an environment, and reserve it for during night game. Didn't want to be labeled as 'creepy'.

Well, now I realize this word is one girls use to describe unattractive guys.

My game is better now, I've had more reference experiences with girls, I take better care of my body and how I dress, meaning I am now more attractive to girls than before, and it keeps improving.

Nowadays, I make strong eye contact with girls during the day, and look at them sexually. Nothing over the top, just enough to admire, before I'm back to what I was doing (looking in the direction I'm walking, back to my laptop). As I type this right now I'm in a coffee shop and every 5-10 minutes a few young attractive girls will come in and I'll make eye contact and look them down, and half of them are receptive and show sign of mild nervousness or shyness.

In our north american society we are taught that looking at girls sexually is bad. Cut that shit out if you haven't already, it's natural to want to look at attractive girls this way, and we feel as if we have to hide it. I used to hide it, but not anymore. Latinos are notorious for this, I don't think I've ever seen a latino hide looking at a girl sexually.

And honestly, girls love this. However, they love it from alpha males, or the attractive guys. If they are unattractive, they just ignore and label as 'creepy'.

Just ask yourself, are you a guy in the top 20%? If not, get there, and you'll notice a HUGE difference in how girls are receptive to you.

It's actually quite easy to be in the top 20%. From there just improve yourself even further..

And recognize being labeled 'creepy' is a term for loser and unattractive men. No one with the knowledge provided by these forums should have this problem. That same girl that calls a guy creepy for looking at her in a certain way will blush and look down and can't help but feel attracted to that other guy that looked her at the same way, but is cooler and higher value in her eyes.

[Peregrine]

Good observation. I've realized this recently too. An anecdote:

Out running with a friend. I'm shirtless because it's hot out and I look good. As we're running, I'm making eye contact with every cute girl and smiling. I make it blatantly obvious that I'm checking them out. Not long ago, I would have never done this and considered it "creepy" to do so.

Girls either refused to make eye contact, caught my eye and looked away, or smiled back. In other words, all responses were neutral or positive.

[funkyzeit]

Be jacked, dress good, smell nice and you'll be perceived as above other guys by 90% of HOT girls.

[Tarleton]

I get labeled as "creepy" A LOT.

[Cheetah]

(06-09-2014 03:12 PM)Tarleton Wrote:  

I get labeled as "creepy" A LOT.

Perhaps you are acting apologetic when you show interest or what you might do?

[Tarleton]

actually, Cheetah the exact opposite is true. I don't think that I give off any "nice guy/beta" vibes at all. I kind of have an angry, anti-social personality and have been told that I am way too "intense" by multiple women. Basically, I'm the type of guy who will blatantly stare at them for an extended period of time (or multiple times) without smiling. I guess it also doesn't help that I have been told by multiple people that I look "really pissed off" whenever I don't smile.

[Cheetah]

(06-09-2014 03:26 PM)Tarleton Wrote:  

actually, Cheetah it is just my general demeanor. I kind of have an angry, anti-social personality and have been told that I am way too "intense" by multiple women.

Have you tried to practice your social skills by being chatty with random people such as the cashier, even if it's not someone you are attracted to?

Being too "intense" could be the result of gaming a girl as she is the last one on earth. She's not.

[Tarleton]

Cheetah, that is the REALLY weird thing about me. I have no problem making "small talk" with random women in public (cashiers, other customers, people at the gym, etc.), provided that I am not attracted to them. For instance, I can chat up a fat chick or an ugly chick (or an old lady, etc.) quite easily. I just refuse to engage in small talk with any attractive female within my age range. Those are the ones I just stare at (but I try to make sure that I am the first to look away should they ever catch me staring).

[simondice]

What's the best way to give off that sexual vibe in the morning? Sometimes I approach a girl during the day, but since it's early I'm not outrageously horny for her if she's like only cute, but not like "damn, I need to fuck this girl", or when she's like sitting down and I can't see her completely to go there.

I want to maximize the punch of my vibe so it hits her like a hurricane. Any tips in general?

[Cheetah]

(06-09-2014 03:57 PM)Tarleton Wrote:  

Cheetah, that is the REALLY weird thing about me. I have no problem making "small talk" with random women in public (cashiers, other customers, people at the gym, etc.), provided that I am not attracted to them. For instance, I can chat up a fat chick or an ugly chick (or an old lady, etc.) quite easily. I just refuse to engage in small talk with any attractive female within my age range. Those are the ones I just stare at (but I try to make sure that I am the first to look away should they ever catch me staring).

In your edited earlier post you wrote that when you don't smile you look pissed off? Are you pissed off?

The good thing is that you have the social ability to interact with people, the same type of social ability needed with girls.

I think that you are apologetic when showing interest. Girls hate that. If you look away when she looks back at you indicates that you are apologetic. Why are you 'staring', which does not sound like a winning concept. Look her up and down or something sounds better and if she looks at you, look back at her with a smirk and some aloofness, possibly also try to say or signal a 'hi'.

May I ask how your self confidence and self esteem are? Are you putting attractive girls on a pedestal? Have you read 'Bang' to start with?

Someone who just stares at girls and looks away if 'caught', sounds like someone who thinks that he doesn't deserve or could have what he looks at. By reading the aforementioned book will get you to understand that you don't need to be a rock star to get an attractive girl.

[Tarleton]

Cheetah, no I am not necessarily always pissed. It is just something people have told me. When I am not smiling, I have been told that I just have a really intense, angry, focused look (as if I am obsessing over something on my mind).

As far as looking away from attractive women is concerned, well I don't want them to "reject" me first. I kinda of consider it a "rejection" if a good-looking woman makes and breaks (before I can) incidental eye contact with me. You know, the old "whoops, accidentally made eye contact with that guy, better look away ASAP without smiling so he knows that I am not the least bit interested in him" sort of thing. I consider myself to have been "rejected" by any woman who pulls that on me, so I try to avoid making eye contact with them at all, AND if I accidentally do make eye contact with them, I make sure that I am the first one to look away without smiling or winking, so that (in my mind, at least) I have "rejected" them before they had the chance to "reject me." Make sense or not really?

[Cheetah]

(06-09-2014 06:24 PM)Tarleton Wrote:  

Cheetah, no I am not necessarily always pissed. It is just something people have told me. When I am not smiling, I have been told that I just have a really intense, angry, focused look (as if I am obsessing over something on my mind).

As far as looking away from attractive women is concerned, well I don't want them to "reject" me first. I kinda of consider it a "rejection" if a good-looking woman makes and breaks (before I can) incidental eye contact with me. You know, the old "whoops, accidentally made eye contact with that guy, better look away ASAP without smiling so he knows that I am not the least bit interested in him" sort of thing. I consider myself to have been "rejected" by any woman who pulls that on me, so I try to avoid making eye contact with them at all, AND if I accidentally do make eye contact with them, I make sure that I am the first one to look away without smiling or winking, so that (in my mind, at least) I have "rejected" them before they had the chance to "reject me." Make sense or not really?

Are you for real? Making sure that you reject every woman on earth will get you nowhere.

[Tarleton]

yeah I know, Cheetah. I guess it is something I need to work on.