[Samseau]

And there is no way these strongmen avoid major injuries later on in life. Every single weightlifter I know, even the most casual ones, have some kind of injury or another by the time they are 40.

[speakeasy]

(06-02-2014 09:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And there is no way these strongmen avoid major injuries later on in life. Every single weightlifter I know, even the most casual ones, have some kind of injury or another by the time they are 40.

Even I threw out my back, had to have surgery and suffer to this day and I'm lifting feathers compared to these beasts.

(06-01-2014 11:41 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

I don't think the black race has any particular advantage over the white race in terms of physical sports participation - both races are pretty diverse genetically and I think potential champions in any sport can be found in both races. But I think white people are less likely to be interested in athletics/sport as a career, hence black people are overrepresented in some sports.

I don't know man. I'm always seeing East Africans winning marathons way beyond their proportion of the population. And lots of people run marathons so it can't be a cultural bias thing. I think you have genetic factors at the elite level. My only theory is that there are so many dangerous animals in the plains of Africa that the people that survived were the ones that could run away from charging animals the fastest.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(06-02-2014 09:47 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-01-2014 11:41 PM)Thomas the Rhymer Wrote:  

I don't think the black race has any particular advantage over the white race in terms of physical sports participation - both races are pretty diverse genetically and I think potential champions in any sport can be found in both races. But I think white people are less likely to be interested in athletics/sport as a career, hence black people are overrepresented in some sports.

I don't know man. I'm always seeing East Africans winning marathons way beyond their proportion of the population. And lots of people run marathons so it can't be a cultural bias thing. I think you have genetic factors at the elite level.

I'm not sure which marathons you're referring to, and it was hard to find a worldwide breakdown of marathon statistics, but let's assume you're talking about the Boston marathon, which has for the past 20 years been dominated by Kenyans
(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_win...n_Marathon)

Now, the fact that there is a small subset of Africans (namely Kenyans) who are good at running marathons does not mean that you can automatically say all black people are good at running. Obviously, there may be regional genetic quirks that may give a particular subset of people an advantage in something, and apparently most of the marathon winners come from a small region in western Kenya (so eastern Kenyans don't have this advantage even though they are of the same nationality). My source: http://www.theatlantic.com/international...es/256015/

Apparently in Kenya they also worship marathon winners like Americans worship rock stars. Since there are no Kenyan rock stars, should we assume that Americans have a genetic predisposition to rock stardom, or should we apply the simpler solution that there cultural incentives play a part in what young kids choose to achieve?

But I don't think it's wise or smart to extend regional/tribal genetic quirks and then hoist them upon entire races, especially one so diverse as the black race or the white race.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-02-2014 09:14 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Regardless if the strongest men are Black or White (although Whites do seem to have the advantage), it's obvious that Asians will be under-represented in the strength category.

Stereotypes which are probably true:

Blacks: Speed
Whites: Strength
Asians: Intelligence

Intelligence is extremely dependent on food actually - rises inter-generationally - especially important is nutrient-dense food at least 6 months before and throughout the entire pregnancy for a woman. For a man at least a month before impregnation. Also the first few years are important to reach the full IQ potential. Currently it can only be attained through high-potency supplements and a good dose of EFAs.

But I agree on the other points:

Advantages of the races:

Blacks: Speed (more muscles responsible for speed - generally men have them more than women, even black women are more muscular as most guys know who have tasted some black pussy), can age slower or at least appear younger, thinner skin and appears more ripped faster

Asians: Again I would not overstress the IQ part, but Asians have the advantage of slower growth-patterns to full malehood - most men's brains are still developing until age 26, but with Asians it is on a different level yet. The advantage being that who take great care of themselves can easily look way younger at age 45 than most Whites at age 35. If they are aware of the SMV-dynamic then, they can easily slay pussy almost until 50.

   
Jackie Chan at age 50.

Even life-expectancy of Asian Americans is significantly higher than average: http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/l...n-american

It is just that in our mindless PC-culture any form of difference must not be mentioned. Instead gender is a social construct and races are absolutely identical. We should embrace our differences with an open mind.

[Foolsgo1d]

There are asian strongmen but very few of them are of the height and weight class which can land them in the heavyweight category.

They dominate the lower weight classes in weightlifting but struggle in the heavier class.

The standard strongman size is 6'4"+ and 300lbs+

[Moma]

(06-02-2014 07:40 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

There are asian strongmen but very few of them are of the height and weight class which can land them in the heavyweight category.

They dominate the lower weight classes in weightlifting but struggle in the heavier class.

The standard strongman size is 6'4"+ and 300lbs+

Do Polynesian count as Asian? People like Jonah Lomus from NZ..6'5, 250 pounds..would he qualify as Asian?

Also, it seems to be a cultural thing as per Thomas the Rhymer. Lots of blacks are strong but they tend to focus on explosive sports when they are bulky like ruggers or NFL. Is this true or just an off theory of mine?

[Yatagan]

Here's the guy who plats "the mountain" on Game of Thrones throwing a washing machine like it's no big deal.

Shit's unreal.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Such a guy must never be underestimated:

Either way - there is likely something to it. Even Julius Ceaser wrote about the tribes of Northern Europe - their size and massive, extremely strong build.

[Bushido]

(06-02-2014 09:16 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

And there is no way these strongmen avoid major injuries later on in life. Every single weightlifter I know, even the most casual ones, have some kind of injury or another by the time they are 40.

The same could be said for almost any sport. Even golfers get injured. That said, Olympic weightlifting and powerlifting actually have some of the lowest injury rates. I'm not sure about strongmen.

http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Safety.html

[Feisbook Control]

When I was a kid/teenager, there used to be a show called Wild World of Sports on a Saturday morning or early afternoon. They used to show all sorts of unusual events from around the world (hurling, kendo, etc.), including strongman. That was at the height of Magnus' success.

Years later, when I was first in Taiwan, I worked with a Canadian guy of Finnish descent who was built like one of those guys. We used to simply refer to him as "Big Sam". All of the little kids, whenever they saw him would shout, "Teacher Sam, one more time!" He'd feign annoyance, and then make his pecs and biceps dance, to roars of approval from the kids. One day, one of the young Taiwanese co-teachers saw this for the first time. You could practically see the gina tingles as her face went about five shades of red.

Nordic Europe is a weird place. On the one hand, it produces guys who pull jumbo jets with along runways. On the other hand, it produces some of the most pussy-whipped societies on the planet.

[Mage]

(06-02-2014 09:14 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Regardless if the strongest men are Black or White (although Whites do seem to have the advantage), it's obvious that Asians will be under-represented in the strength category.

Stereotypes which are probably true:

Blacks: Speed
Whites: Strength
Asians: Intelligence

I would like to elaborate:

Blacks: Speed, Rhytm
Whites: Strength, Creativity
Asians: Discipline, Starcraft

I don't think it is right to say that Asians are smarter then whites. Most inventions have been made by whites, who are more creative. Asians just appear more intelligent because they are culturally pressured to study hard while whites are more carefree, but this also means that whites are more creative because strong social rules kill creativity.

Asians despite there being more of them - still write using hieroglyphs. That is not as intelligent a solution as using an alphabet that whites invented. However it's still better than blacks who haven't invented any writing at all. But it takes great discipline to learn all those hieroglyphs.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(06-03-2014 03:16 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(06-02-2014 09:14 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Regardless if the strongest men are Black or White (although Whites do seem to have the advantage), it's obvious that Asians will be under-represented in the strength category.

Stereotypes which are probably true:

Blacks: Speed
Whites: Strength
Asians: Intelligence

I would like to elaborate:

Blacks: Speed, Rhytm
Whites: Strength, Creativity
Asians: Discipline, Starcraft

I don't think it is right to say that Asians are smarter then whites. Most inventions have been made by whites, who are more creative. Asians just appear more intelligent because they are culturally pressured to study hard while whites are more carefree, but this also means that whites are more creative because strong social rules kill creativity.

Asians despite there being more of them - still write using hieroglyphs. That is not as intelligent a solution as using an alphabet that whites invented. However it's still better than blacks who haven't invented any writing at all. But it takes great discipline to learn all those hieroglyphs.

[Bushido]

(06-03-2014 03:16 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Asians despite there being more of them - still write using hieroglyphs. That is not as intelligent a solution as using an alphabet that whites invented. However it's still better than blacks who haven't invented any writing at all. But it takes great discipline to learn all those hieroglyphs.

[RonnieB]

There have been some really strong black guys in strongman

OD Wilson - perhaps the strongest man to have not won the world's strongest man competition



He was a powerlifter who then competed in strongman competitions, sadly he died before he could win the world's strongest man.

He was the strongest in terms of pure strength in the 1990 world's strongest man and was leading coming into the last event. The final event was a 100kg brick carry around a 200m track, OD had to finish closer than 12 seconds behind Jón Páll Sigmarsson to win the title. But his huge frame and relative lack of cardio compared to Jon Pall cost him the title. A bit unfair for OD as he was clearly the strongest.

Here's the video of the 1990 event

Also there is Mark Felix




he only took up strongman at 37 after being a bodybulider. He's one of the strongest deadlifters ever

[Slick Shimmer]

(06-03-2014 03:16 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Asians despite there being more of them - still write using hieroglyphs. That is not as intelligent a solution as using an alphabet that whites invented. However it's still better than blacks who haven't invented any writing at all. But it takes great discipline to learn all those hieroglyphs.

This isn't correct. If you are talking strictly "white people", you'd be referring to Fuþark, which was fairly primitive and limiting, not unlike Twitter.

I suppose you could argue that the Proto-Sinaitic script was somehow developed some 4000 years ago by the white people of Egypt and the Sinai Peninsula, if that's your thing.

Also, Asian languages are not "Hieroglyphic."

[Mage]

(06-03-2014 05:41 AM)Slick Shimmer Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 03:16 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Asians despite there being more of them - still write using hieroglyphs. That is not as intelligent a solution as using an alphabet that whites invented. However it's still better than blacks who haven't invented any writing at all. But it takes great discipline to learn all those hieroglyphs.

This isn't correct. If you are talking strictly "white people", you'd be referring to Fuþark, which was fairly primitive and limiting, not unlike Twitter.

I suppose you could argue that the Proto-Sinaitic script was somehow developed some 4000 years ago by the white people of Egypt and the Sinai Peninsula, if that's your thing.

As for the idea that Asian languages are "lesser", it should be noted that Japanese script is easily the most complex in the world, and has resulted in completely new writing and narrative possibilities. As for China, Hanzi script has a glorious lineage. Neither are "Hieroglyphic", as both languages are Logographic. The key difference is that Hieroglyphics do not record vocal sounds.

You may be right I was just describing stereotypes, the truth may be different.

What are the unique narrative possibilities that japanese script offers and aplhabetic systems lack?

[Slick Shimmer]

(06-03-2014 05:51 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 05:41 AM)Slick Shimmer Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 03:16 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Asians despite there being more of them - still write using hieroglyphs. That is not as intelligent a solution as using an alphabet that whites invented. However it's still better than blacks who haven't invented any writing at all. But it takes great discipline to learn all those hieroglyphs.

This isn't correct. If you are talking strictly "white people", you'd be referring to Fuþark, which was fairly primitive and limiting, not unlike Twitter.

I suppose you could argue that the Proto-Sinaitic script was somehow developed some 4000 years ago by the white people of Egypt and the Sinai Peninsula, if that's your thing.

As for the idea that Asian languages are "lesser", it should be noted that Japanese script is easily the most complex in the world, and has resulted in completely new writing and narrative possibilities. As for China, Hanzi script has a glorious lineage. Neither are "Hieroglyphic", as both languages are Logographic. The key difference is that Hieroglyphics do not record vocal sounds.

You may be right I was just describing stereotypes, the truth may be different.

What are the unique narrative possibilities that japanese script offers and aplhabetic systems lack?

I'm not finished the course yet, so I can't give you an expert analysis or anything, (as I can't sight-read Japanese yet) but Japan co-opted the Chinese alphabet but retain several scripts of their own. They often use multiple scripts at one time, so they can take advantage of very strange puns and in-jokes by cross-referencing.

[RonnieB]

The 1989 Pure strength competition had OD Wilson teaming with Bill Kazmaier for the USA team.



Bill Kazmaier is probably the strongest man who ever lived. Even though he was well past his prime, he an OD together is the dream team of strongmen.

This video of the 1989 Pure strength competition is so funny. OD sets off too fast with the barrel and he drops it down some stairs into a courtyard. OD then goes down the stairs to retreive his barrel. Bill Kazmaier sees that his teammate is struggling so uses some gamesmanship and pushes Magnus Ver Magnusson who has to drop his barrel because of it. Funny thing is the barrel goes down over into the courtyard where OD was retreiving his barrel from! OD gets hit on the head and almost killed.

Check it out from the 30 min mark where the hilarities start. In the interview afterwards OD seems a little shocked and relieved to have survived

[Mage]

(06-03-2014 05:56 AM)Slick Shimmer Wrote:  

(06-03-2014 05:51 AM)Mage Wrote:  

What are the unique narrative possibilities that japanese script offers and aplhabetic systems lack?

I'm not finished the course yet, so I can't give you an expert analysis or anything, (as I can't sight-read Japanese yet) but Japan co-opted the Chinese alphabet but retain several scripts of their own. They often use multiple scripts at one time, so they can take advantage of very strange puns and in-jokes by cross-referencing.

Still the simplicity of western style alphabet seems superior to me.

[Hades]

So what if these big guys get injuries. Does that justify practically everyone being weak as kittens compared to them?
Lots of strong guys have never gotten injured, and even the ones who have know it comes with the territory. If winning is important then injuries are no reason to avoid heavy weights. Even if you get injured a few times by the time you're 40 you should understand that it's more about commitment to performance rather than avoidance of discomfort. No risk no reward.

[speakeasy]

(06-03-2014 03:16 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(06-02-2014 09:14 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Regardless if the strongest men are Black or White (although Whites do seem to have the advantage), it's obvious that Asians will be under-represented in the strength category.

Stereotypes which are probably true:

Blacks: Speed
Whites: Strength
Asians: Intelligence

I would like to elaborate:

Blacks: Speed, Rhytm
Whites: Strength, Creativity
Asians: Discipline, Starcraft

I don't think it is right to say that Asians are smarter then whites. Most inventions have been made by whites, who are more creative. Asians just appear more intelligent because they are culturally pressured to study hard while whites are more carefree, but this also means that whites are more creative because strong social rules kill creativity.

Asians despite there being more of them - still write using hieroglyphs. That is not as intelligent a solution as using an alphabet that whites invented. However it's still better than blacks who haven't invented any writing at all. But it takes great discipline to learn all those hieroglyphs.

Will you guys knock it off? Enough of this race shit. It's one thing to discuss race in relation to ability to powerlift, but WTF does this thread have to do about what race created the alphabet? Get off it.

Thanks Cardguy!

[Samseau]

Damn I wonder how long until people grow up and can talk about races without throwing a hissy fit? 2025? Another ten years perhaps.

[speakeasy]

(06-03-2014 04:48 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Damn I wonder how long until people grow up and can talk about races without throwing a hissy fit? 2025? Another ten years perhaps.

[Teedub]

West Africans [usually] have a higher proportion of fast twitch muscle fibers, whereas East Africans (Kenyans and such) have [usually] a higher propensity for long distance running...not sure why. However, East Africans usually look quite different to West Africans, even in facial structure and so on. Probably due to mixing with Middle Easterners etc.

Black Jamaicans are mostly of West African descent, as are the majority of slave-descended black people living in America and the Caribbean, which is why they're so good at sprinting. It's also a national sport there (Jamaica), but I think it probably became that due to success at it. I also think a lot of slaves were 'bred' like horses, creating super slaves so to speak. It sounds awful, but I certainly think it happened. Hence why a lot have been successful generations later in American Football, Basketball and so on. I think Boxing has changed in that regard, so perhaps it is more societal than I'm implying. Or, more black people are avoiding boxing and going into different sports, which is actually true come to think of it.

I think Occam's razor is most applicable here...it's blindingly obvious that West Africans DO have a higher propensity for success in explosive sports such as sprinting, and I don't understand (well, I do technically) why there's such avoidance of saying so. There's a white French guy who is a sprinter, and I picked him as a dark horse (no pun intended) to come in the top three in London 2012 in the 200m...he didn't come close.

I was saying to speakeasy the other day in an email that I think our era will be defined in hundreds of years as the PC-era, where people became more atheistic and so on, yet many of those same people also ignored science when it comes to PC-issues. In such fields as race and so on. Hell, even a recent Guardian writer got blasted for saying "nature isn't a feminist".

Whites dominate the higher echelons of soccer, as discussed by Steve Sailor here and sure, whilst some Americans would classify a few of those players as 'Latino', Steve correctly defines them as southern European white people. It's a sport that doesn't just rely on explosive power, so all races are evenly represented across the board, but I can't say with any certainty why whites are over represented in the 'best in the world' stakes.

Quote:

Out of the top 10, eight are white and two from West Africa. Out of the top 50, the proportions look similar. Judging from their pictures, I would say 10 are black, one is mostly white but clearly part black, and the other 39 look more or less white. None of the top 50 are East Asian or South Asian, and I don’t see any that are as mestizo-looking as, say, Diego Maradona, the star of the 1986 World Cup.

In contrast, only one American-born white guy has been selected to the NBA All Star game in the last half dozen years. Most of the prestige positions in the NFL other than quarterback are dominated by blacks.

Sport is diversity in action, and hilariously the left (who proclaim to love diversity) would actually rather it was swept under the carpet.

As for the Sailor article, you get comments like this one that jump to laughable conspiracy:

Quote:

Liberals want all sports, if not all activities, to be dominated by blacks.

As for the OP, I love the show. It's a bit of fun in my opinion. Plus, who doesn't want to see a man pull a truck down the road!

[rekruler]

West African blacks definitely have an adventage in explosiveness over whites. I'm agnostic as to whether whites are "stronger" than blacks, as white dominance of niche competitions like Strongman is almost certainly affected by relative participation rates, similar to the situation with hockey.

What I will say is I believe whites are more "balanced." Everything comes with a tradeoff, and the west African specialization for short bursts of speed and explosiveness leaves them very unsuited for endurance pursuits. Conversely, East Africans may dominate long distance running but it comes at the expense of very limited explosiveness. I know that sounds a tad too cute, but look at Olympic track and field. West African blacks dominate all the sprints: 100m, 200m, and 400m. The 800m is a bastard child that is neither a sprint nor a "distance" run, and whites dominate. The East Africans (and sometimes the odd North African) win everything longer than the 800.

On a separate nore, blacks do not "age slower" than whites. Externally, their pigmentation helps protect their skin from sun damage and premature aging, and dark skin tends to hide imperfections better than white skin in any case. So blacks tend to maintain a youthful appearance longer. But under the hood, so to speak, blacks are far more predisposed to many kinds of cancer, cardiovascular problems, and diabetes, and tend to die earlier as a result. With that said, it's a tradeoff I'd be willing to make. A 50+ year old black dude who keeps himself in epic shape can still pass for a "not old" guy. If you're not black, by the time you're in your 50's the best you can do is "really fit old guy."