[Vienna]

The Swedish elections are coming up and will be held in September.

Some of you may know that there's a Feminist party in Sweden called the Feminist Initiative. They may gather the minimum of 4,0 % of the national vote to enter the parliament. Their party platform include the introduction of a "citizen's pay", mandatory sex education in kindergarten, meat-free Mondays, increased spending in the public sector, complete disarmament of the Swedish Armed Forces and the introduction of a third legal gender. All this payed for by 6-hour work days.

Yesterday, a new page called Maskulint Initiativ (The Masculine Initiative) made the rounds on Facebook. It's gathered roughly 27k likes in less than 24 hours.

The people behind the page are allegedly working on a party platform. They've already been interviewed by several media outlets, including the state media. A short article introducing the party has also been posted to a popular news site, making the rounds on Facebook.

As expected, feminists around the country are raging.

Unexpectedly, the forming party is also gathering lots of support from both men and women. I say unexpectedly, because Sweden is a feminist and equalist country. Red pill views are quickly branded misogynist by most people without a second thought.

It'll be interesting to follow this and see if it remains a week-long Facebook event soon forgotten, or becomes a full-fledged political party. It's still in a very early stage. Even if it doesn't gather the 4,0 % needed, it may still manage to shed a contrarian light on Sweden's current political climate.

Links (in Swedish):

Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Maskulinitet?fref=nf
Introduction: http://nyheter24.se/debatt/769685-maskul...forkastlig
Short Metro article

[LaCobra]

2/10 WNV

[Dr. Howard]

are those really the positions of the feminist party? Also, if there is a legitimate men's party and women's party...I tell you, the real winners are those that thrive on class warfare.

[Vienna]

Dr Howard: Yes, those are really the positions of the feminist party. Their web page is down right now, but try http://www.feministisktinitiativ.se in a few hours if you want to familiarize yourself with their politics. It's a fun read.

I'm posting this to show that red pill sentiments may finally be hitting the mainstream in the most feminist country in the world.

[davyjose]

(05-28-2014 01:56 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

mandatory sex education in kindergarten, meat-free Mondays, increased spending in the public sector, complete disarmament of the Swedish Armed Forces and the introduction of a third legal gender. All this payed for by 6-hour work days.

Meat free Mondays? What so meat cant be sold on a Monday, or what does it mean exactly?

[Renzy]

(05-28-2014 01:56 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

The Swedish elections are coming up and will be held in September.

Some of you may know that there's a Feminist party in Sweden called the Feminist Initiative. They may gather the minimum of 4,0 % of the national vote to enter the parliament. Their party platform include the introduction of a "citizen's pay", mandatory sex education in kindergarten, meat-free Mondays, increased spending in the public sector, complete disarmament of the Swedish Armed Forces and the introduction of a third legal gender. All this payed for by 6-hour work days.

Mandatory sex-ed in... kindergarten?? WTF?

[Vienna]

(05-28-2014 02:15 PM)davyjose Wrote:  

Meat free Mondays? What so meat cant be sold on a Monday, or what does it mean exactly?

It means, as I understand it, that you can't eat meat on Mondays and will instead be served a vegan-based meal. I guess it's to be implemented in state-controlled institutions. I think you'd still be able to eat meat in your own home though (I hope!).

[JoyStick]

(05-28-2014 02:15 PM)davyjose Wrote:  

(05-28-2014 01:56 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

mandatory sex education in kindergarten, meat-free Mondays, increased spending in the public sector, complete disarmament of the Swedish Armed Forces and the introduction of a third legal gender. All this payed for by 6-hour work days.

Meat free Mondays? What so meat cant be sold on a Monday, or what does it mean exactly?

it probably mean you can't eat meat on Mondays. Fuck that shit!

[soup]

It can't be framed in us vs. them terms.

That's like trying to argue with a woman.

[Renzy]

Was looking around at articles regarding Feminism in Sweden and found this gem from eight years ago - How the Feminists’ “War against Boys” Paved the Way for Islam. It's too long to post here but given the year it was written (2006) it's very prescient of ideas that would later show up in the manosphere:

Quote:

Perhaps women can succeed in turning their men into doormats, but it will be on the cost of doing so to their nation and to their civilization as well. According to Italian American feminist Camille Paglia, “If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.” That may be an exaggeration, but male energy is definitely a driving force in any dynamic culture.

Muslim anti-female violence in the West is a symptom of the breakdown of the feminist Utopia. Freedoms need to be enforced by violence or the credible threat of violence, or they are meaningless. Even though women can take steps to protect themselves, the primary responsibility for protection will probably always belong to men. Women will thus only have as much freedom as their men are willing and capable of guaranteeing them. It is a major flaw in many feminist theories that they fail to acknowledge this.

Quote:

Writer Lars Hedegaard in Denmark does not buy into the theory that women approve of Muslim immigration out of irrational naivety or ideological conviction. He thinks they simply want it, as he writes in a column entitled “The dream of submission.” He does notice, as I do, that women are more likely than men to support parties that are open for more Muslim immigration.

Why is this, considering that there is hardly a single Muslim majority area in the world where women enjoy the same rights as men? And Hedegaard asks a provocative question: Are women more stupid and less enlightened than men, since they in such great numbers are paving the way for their own submission? He comes up with an equally provocative answer: “When women are paving the way for sharia, this is presumably because women want sharia.” They don’t want freedom because they feel attracted to subservience and subjugation.

The English author Fay Weldon has noted that “For women, there is something sexually very alluring about submission.” And as Hedegaard dryly notes, if submission is what many women seek, the feminized Danish men are boring compared to desert sheikhs who won’t allow you to go outside without permission. Muslims like to point out that there are more women than men in the West who convert to Islam, and this is in fact partly true. Islam means “submission.” Is there something about submission that is more appealing to some women than it is to most men? Do women yield more easily to power?

Quote:

Are some feminists simply testing out men’s limits in the hope of finding some new balance between the sexes, or are they testing men to find our which men are strong enough to stand up to their demands, and thus which men can stand up to other men on their behalf? I heard one woman who was an ardent feminist in the 1970s later lament how many families they broke up and destroyed. She was surprised at the reaction, or lack of reaction, from men: “We were horrible. Why didn’t you stop us?”

It's interesting to see the author promoting the same idea that has been floated around here - namely that feminism is a essentially a giant shit-test.

Quote:

Feminists claim that the reason why women haven’t been as numerous in politics and science as men is due to male oppression of women. Some of this is true. But it is not the whole story. Being male means having to prove something, to achieve something, in a greater way than it does for women. In addition to this, the responsibility for child rearing will always fall more heavily on women than on men. A modern society may lessen these restraints, but it will never remove them completely. For these practical reasons, it is unlikely that women will ever be as numerous as men in politics or in the highest level in business.

The whole article is worth a read...

[mikado]

Not again...
AGAIN, people are bringing the "fact" that Islam=Charia.

time to

[Vicious]

I've been saying it for years on this forum. There's a major counter-culture that's as large, if not larger, than the feminist movement in the nation. You just won't see it anywhere in the mainstream media. A whooping 70% of Swedish "journalists" have sympathies with the Left, Socialist or Green party (twice as high representation compared to the general populace).

That's why it pisses me off when allegedly "red pill" men, even on this forum, believe everything they read in the media about Sweden. More than likely they are reading watered down and translated dispatches of the most minor feminist victories with hyperbole applied to them.

(05-28-2014 01:56 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

The Swedish elections are coming up and will be held in September.

Some of you may know that there's a Feminist party in Sweden called the Feminist Initiative. They may gather the minimum of 4,0 % of the national vote to enter the parliament.

Extremely unlikely that this will occur, their party program will not survive closer scrutiny. If they make it it would be unprecedented.* They will however chip away votes from the left and lead to infighting which will amuse me greatly.

(*NyD made the jump but they had Doctors, lawyers, economists, established politicians and funders in their lines)

[Basil Ransom]

^I haven't met many Swedish men, but the ones I have met were cool, masculine dudes with their shit together, and far more so than the average American male. I agree that this idea that Swedish dudes are pussies is likely horseshit that the media likes to propagate.

Granted, these are only Swedes who came stateside, but it's not like American tourists are a cool group.

[...]

(05-28-2014 03:32 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I've been saying it for years on this forum. There's a major counter-culture that's as large, if not larger, than the feminist movement in the nation.

Maybe outside of Stockholm. I'm starting to think that there might be a reason the rest of the country calls Sthlm "Fjollträsk".

[Vienna]

(05-28-2014 03:32 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I've been saying it for years on this forum. There's a major counter-culture that's as large, if not larger, than the feminist movement in the nation. You just won't see it anywhere in the mainstream media. A whooping 70% of Swedish "journalists" have sympathies with the Left, Socialist or Green party (twice as high representation compared to the general populace).

That's why it pisses me off when allegedly "red pill" men, even on this forum, believe everything they read in the media about Sweden. More than likely they are reading watered down and translated dispatches of the most minor feminist victories with hyperbole applied to them.

(05-28-2014 01:56 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

The Swedish elections are coming up and will be held in September.

Some of you may know that there's a Feminist party in Sweden called the Feminist Initiative. They may gather the minimum of 4,0 % of the national vote to enter the parliament.

Extremely unlikely that this will occur, their party program will not survive closer scrutiny. If they make it it would be unprecedented.* They will however chip away votes from the left and lead to infighting which will amuse me greatly.

(*NyD made the jump but they had Doctors, lawyers, economists, established politicians and funders in their lines)

I haven't really noticed the counter-culture myself. Me and a few fellow friends hold more "red pill" views than the rest of our social circles, but then again I live in a university town where 99 % are left-leaning hipsters. We generally keep quiet about our views, as even innocent (to us) remarks can affect your social reputation (learnt this the hard way). In what ways have you noticed this counter-movement?

If you're referring to me about the "allegedly red pill men" remark, I certainly do not believe everything told by the media. You hardly need frontal lobe capacity to understand where Swedish media lies on the political spectrum.

Interesting article you linked.

[Big Country]

(05-28-2014 03:14 PM)mikado Wrote:  

Not again...
AGAIN, people are bringing the "fact" that Islam=Charia.

time to

Indeed, but does Sharia=Islam? Yes it does.

[Teedub]

I'm really confused about Sweden. I associate Sweden with the rest of Scandinavia (rightly or wrongly) and I always wondered if Scandinavia is so leftist/feminist, then why is Mikkel Kessler so popular in Denmark, considering he's an openly masculine man?

[Samseau]

If the left has unchecked reign with their immigration, Anders Brevik will be out of prison in 20 years and be hailed as a major political hero to the remaining indigenous Swedes sorta how Mandala was. He will then be able to gather political support and start a major civil war.

However, it remains debatable if things will degenerate that far.

[Chaos]

   

[Chaos]

I visit Sweden regularly and have a bunch of Swedish friends. All good guys.
I think Vicious is on something here. Feminists,male feminists, green party and left wing people gets all the attention in the media. Even outside Sweden.

I don't know where this thinking comes from but if you ask a Finnish dude what he thinks about Sweden or a Swede. There is a 99% he says gay. Gay,gay,gay or "fjolla".
For some reason most Finnish people like to think that Sweden is the epicenter in the world of emasculated males,homosexuals,feminists and immigrants and that the country has been lost for a long time already. Maybe because Finns are forced to study Swedish in school. Finns hate Swedish language and using Swedish makes them feel inmasculine or "gay". I think it's exaggerated but I'm not a fan of how many younger Swedes are speaking. A lot of slang and saying "typ" between every second word.
I think Swedish is a feminime language. Girls can sound incredibly sexy meanwhile guys can sound cheesy and girly and give off a gay vibe.

However,no hate to the Swedish guys here.
I've had a lot of good times in Sweden.

It's a strange love between two brother countries.

[SvenTuga]

This article (in Swedish, use google translate) gives you a clearer picture of what the Feminist Initiative stands for, and what DorianFrey wrote is just the tip of the iceberg. The Feminist Initiative, as well as the green party (Miljöpartiet), have never had a single article in the mainstream media published criticising their policies, and that is probably the reason why they have gained so much public 'acceptance'.

As Vicious said, FI is unlikely to survive when people actually start scrutinizing their party platform. It is the same shit with the 'greens', but again they are free from critiques...

(05-28-2014 03:32 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

I've been saying it for years on this forum. There's a major counter-culture that's as large, if not larger, than the feminist movement in the nation. You just won't see it anywhere in the mainstream media. A whooping 70% of Swedish "journalists" have sympathies with the Left, Socialist or Green party (twice as high representation compared to the general populace).

That's why it pisses me off when allegedly "red pill" men, even on this forum, believe everything they read in the media about Sweden. More than likely they are reading watered down and translated dispatches of the most minor feminist victories with hyperbole applied to them.

(05-28-2014 01:56 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

The Swedish elections are coming up and will be held in September.

Some of you may know that there's a Feminist party in Sweden called the Feminist Initiative. They may gather the minimum of 4,0 % of the national vote to enter the parliament.

Extremely unlikely that this will occur, their party program will not survive closer scrutiny. If they make it it would be unprecedented.* They will however chip away votes from the left and lead to infighting which will amuse me greatly.

(*NyD made the jump but they had Doctors, lawyers, economists, established politicians and funders in their lines)

[Surreyman]

(05-28-2014 02:29 PM)DarianFrey Wrote:  

(05-28-2014 02:15 PM)davyjose Wrote:  

Meat free Mondays? What so meat cant be sold on a Monday, or what does it mean exactly?

It means, as I understand it, that you can't eat meat on Mondays and will instead be served a vegan-based meal. I guess it's to be implemented in state-controlled institutions. I think you'd still be able to eat meat in your own home though (I hope!).

Why is the left so obsessed with pushing vegetarianism? Carbohydrate based diets are rubbish, and the only reason people in india etc are vegetarian is because of poverty or superstition.

Meat eating is to 2014 what masturbation was to 1914. Just another bit of puritan, protestant 'self-denial' based on emotion, not reason. Notice how Catholic countries have ZERO interest in this shit. It's all places like UK and Netherlands. Try getting a vegetarian meal in Italy, I dare you.

[Vienna]

(05-29-2014 02:31 AM)Dom Filipe Wrote:  

This article (in Swedish, use google translate) gives you a clearer picture of what the Feminist Initiative stands for, and what DorianFrey wrote is just the tip of the iceberg. The Feminist Initiative, as well as the green party (Miljöpartiet), have never had a single article in the mainstream media published criticising their policies, and that is probably the reason why they have gained so much public 'acceptance'.

As Vicious said, FI is unlikely to survive when people actually start scrutinizing their party platform. It is the same shit with the 'greens', but again they are free from critiques...

I've been thinking about something that Vicious said in another thread, that FI takes votes from other leftist parties. This is a good thing; if a few % of the people who'd have voted for the Social Democrats, Greens or Left instead vote for FI, it makes it harder for the "Big Left" to gain enough votes to topple the Alliance (current rulers in Sweden). Let's just hope they get one vote from 4,0 %.

[Vienna]

(05-28-2014 08:40 PM)Chaos Wrote:  

I visit Sweden regularly and have a bunch of Swedish friends. All good guys.
I think Vicious is on something here. Feminists,male feminists, green party and left wing people gets all the attention in the media. Even outside Sweden.

I don't know where this thinking comes from but if you ask a Finnish dude what he thinks about Sweden or a Swede. There is a 99% he says gay. Gay,gay,gay or "fjolla".
For some reason most Finnish people like to think that Sweden is the epicenter in the world of emasculated males,homosexuals,feminists and immigrants and that the country has been lost for a long time already. Maybe because Finns are forced to study Swedish in school. Finns hate Swedish language and using Swedish makes them feel inmasculine or "gay". I think it's exaggerated but I'm not a fan of how many younger Swedes are speaking. A lot of slang and saying "typ" between every second word.
I think Swedish is a feminime language. Girls can sound incredibly sexy meanwhile guys can sound cheesy and girly and give off a gay vibe.

However,no hate to the Swedish guys here.
I've had a lot of good times in Sweden.

It's a strange love between two brother countries.

I've heard the exact same sentiments when I've met Finnish guys. I think you guys have more of a culture where men are men and women are women. Why that is I don't know. Maybe the Russian macho-culture rubs off across borders? Conscription? All the vodka?

[Chaos]

^ Perhaps. I really do believe that this hating comes from past times when Swedish was the only official language and Swedish talking people were the "elite" and most successful and richest people. Finns were the poor working class and farmers.

Maybe it's some sort of bigger brother complex. Finland always look on Sweden when it comes to how to not do. They let Sweden take the first step and then Finland is observing and taking notes.

Example. Finns are looking on TV when immigrants are running amok in Sweden and setting cars on fire in the ghettos. Result = Finland has one of the strongest immigration policies in Europe.
Finland always takes example of Sweden.