[Ajiaco]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...Right.html

This article says that most women make up their minds about a man that is talking to them in three minutes. Three minutes! Even if it might be a little longer than that, I think the gist of this article is true. Girls know instantly, and almost never change their minds. What I take away from this is after a few minutes, if you feel like you're treading water and not getting any response from a girl, you should move on. Thoughts?

Some quotes:

It takes a woman just three minutes to make up her mind about whether she likes a man or not, a study has revealed.

The study also found women rarely change their mind about a man after their initial reaction - and believe they are 'always right' in their assumptions and judgments.

[Moma]

(02-10-2011 12:01 PM)Ajiaco Wrote:  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...Right.html

This article says that most women make up their minds about a man that is talking to them in three minutes. Three minutes! Even if it might be a little longer than that, I think the gist of this article is true. Girls know instantly, and almost never change their minds. What I take away from this is after a few minutes, if you feel like you're treading water and not getting any response from a girl, you should move on. Thoughts?

Some quotes:

It takes a woman just three minutes to make up her mind about whether she likes a man or not, a study has revealed.

The study also found women rarely change their mind about a man after their initial reaction - and believe they are 'always right' in their assumptions and judgments.

that's bollocks, she can change her mind if u say some dumb shit or some psycho shit..seen it happen before..and I've blown a few fcuks trying to get intellectual..now I don't say anything and let her coast on that mystery effect..

[Ajiaco]

I guess what I meant to say was, if a girl is not responding to you positively in the first five or ten minutes, it is very hard to change that negative perception to a positive one. Obviously, it is still incumbent on you to maintain a positive vibe that you have created and not screw it up by being boring, insane, nerdy, etc. But those first few minutes are the very narrow window for getting a foot in the door, to use a mixed metaphor.

[Moma]

(02-10-2011 12:14 PM)Ajiaco Wrote:  

I guess what I meant to say was, if a girl is not responding to you positively in the first five or ten minutes, it is very hard to change that negative perception to a positive one. Obviously, it is still incumbent on you to maintain a positive vibe that you have created and not screw it up by being boring, insane, nerdy, etc. But those first few minutes are the very narrow window for getting a foot in the door, to use a mixed metaphor.

Hmm, I believe you are right..so if the body language hasn't improved in the first five or ten mins tops, cut losses and move on to the next..yes I agree fully with you.

Hmm..taking this game going forward. Thank you, ajiaco.

[MiXX]

(02-10-2011 12:04 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I've blown a few fcuks trying to get intellectual..now I don't say anything and let her coast on that mystery effect..

I just did this shit last night! I had a girl in a love trance, and she was giggling with me all night, and touching and all signs were there that she wanted to fuck. Then a subject came up that I knew more about than her, unknowingly I started getting intellectual and reaching her logical mind - big mistake!

The more intellectual I became, the more she was snapping out of her love coma with me, and suddenly, she went from giggling and playful to aloof and 'cold'. Eventually, it became obvious her attraction for me went over the cliff.

Bottom line: do not get intellectual with women! You snap them out of their trance of lust during the attraction phases to you. This girl would be in my bed otherwise.


Lesson learned.

Mixx

[Tuthmosis]

(02-10-2011 12:41 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-10-2011 12:04 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I've blown a few fcuks trying to get intellectual..now I don't say anything and let her coast on that mystery effect..

I just did this shit last night! I had a girl in a love trance, and she was giggling with me all night, and touching and all signs were there that she wanted to fuck. Then a subject came up that I knew more about than her, unknowingly I started getting intellectual and reaching her logical mind - big mistake!

The more intellectual I became, the more she was snapping out of her love coma with me, and suddenly, she went from giggling and playful to aloof and distant. Eventually, it became obvious her attraction for me went over the cliff.

Dude, this has ALWAYS been one of my problems: not shutting the fuck-up or getting too intellectual with what I AM saying. If I'm going to fuck something up, the odds are that I'm going to louse it up this way. It's comforting that I'm not alone on this one. But having said that, I can get away with it a tiny bit more (and frankly, it's a near-necessity) with one of my favorite targets: nerdy, weird girls.

I once got a make-out (and eventual lay) by talking to a girl about Barack Obama's fundraising tactics! No bullshit. Maybe it's all in the delivery.

[Veloce]

(02-10-2011 12:41 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-10-2011 12:04 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I've blown a few fcuks trying to get intellectual..now I don't say anything and let her coast on that mystery effect..

I just did this shit last night! I had a girl in a love trance, and she was giggling with me all night, and touching and all signs were there that she wanted to fuck. Then a subject came up that I knew more about than her, unknowingly I started getting intellectual and reaching her logical mind - big mistake!

The more intellectual I became, the more she was snapping out of her love coma with me, and suddenly, she went from giggling and playful to aloof and distant. Eventually, it became obvious her attraction for me went over the cliff.

Bottom line, do not get intellectual with women - you snap them out of their trance of lust during the attraction phases to you. This girl would be in my bed otherwise.


Lesson learned.

Mixx

Dude, this exact same thing happened to me a couple weeks ago. I thought I HAD this girl, I was teasing nonstop for like 15 minutes, she was laughing, giving great feedback, I'd initiated body contact, etc. Turns out the girl was an opera singer from USC. I'm a classically trained musician so I ditched my game for 5 seconds, got excited and I started asking her about her favorite composers and within 2 minutes she literally had her back to me.

I gotta say, this shit frustrates the hell out of me. I know I'm being too logical here...but meeting someone in a bar that can intelligently discuss a common interest? When did that become a turnoff? More and more, whenever I hear girls go on about, "Oh, I just want someone funny, cute, INTELLIGENT..." it makes me want to puke.

[Tuthmosis]

(02-10-2011 01:21 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Dude, this exact same thing happened to me a couple weeks ago. I thought I HAD this girl, I was teasing nonstop for like 15 minutes, she was laughing, giving great feedback, I'd initiated body contact, etc. Turns out the girl was an opera singer from USC. I'm a classically trained musician so I ditched my game for 5 seconds, got excited and I started asking her about her favorite composers and within 2 minutes she literally had her back to me.

I gotta say, this shit frustrates the hell out of me. I know I'm being too logical here...but meeting someone in a bar that can intelligently discuss a common interest? When did that become a turnoff? More and more, whenever I hear girls go on about, "Oh, I just want someone funny, cute, INTELLIGENT..." it makes me want to puke.

Did you meet this girl at Yardhouse, by any chance?! I hit on a cute opera singer from USC not long ago. It would be a trip if two sausages from this board were hitting on the same girl!

But, I agree with you. Girls that say they want an "intelligent" guy don't know what they're talking about 90 percent of the time. In fact, they don't know what the fuck they want until you come over and sell it to them. That's why that old sales saying exists in the first place: "Don't pitch the bitch." No logical decision-making skills.

It's interesting that some of these chicks will claim--often unsolicited--that THEY'RE intelligent. Maybe therein lies the answer. THEIR idea of intelligent is being glued to their phone, using "like" for every other word, and woo-ing loudly to express enjoyment.

[Moma]

My problem with the silence thing is that I am very boring when I don't say anything. I guess some guys are good with appearing vapid and dull at the same time arousing women.

Women don't necessarily want a mute.
My problem is, I'll eventually say something and then end up saying some smart (which is dumb if u want pussy) which will effectively blow ops for nookie.

Usually, there are long moments of silence because I am unable to make any comment on inane topics (the crappy half time show at the superbowl), tony parker and eva longoria, what women want etc etc.

I may need a workshop in how to keep my mouth shut and yet arousing to women at the same time.

[raliv]

I'd go a step further and say that girls figure out if they want to sleep with you within the first minute. I asked a few girls when they usually figure it out and they all individually said within the 0.45 -1.30 minute area.

[Menace]

It sounds like you have anywhere from 30 seconds to 10 minutes to make it or not. But given that we can't really trust what women say about what they like, why should we believe their claims that they decide in <2 mins?

I should probably turn off 80% of my brain when talking to them and just channel Pauly D.

[oldnemesis]

(02-10-2011 12:41 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Bottom line: do not get intellectual with women! You snap them out of their trance of lust during the attraction phases to you. This girl would be in my bed otherwise.

Was she an "artist" type of girls? I found them to be exactly like you described - they like to go intellectual, but they also cannot handle the man who is more intellectual than them.

[Veloce]

(02-10-2011 01:35 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-10-2011 01:21 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Dude, this exact same thing happened to me a couple weeks ago. I thought I HAD this girl, I was teasing nonstop for like 15 minutes, she was laughing, giving great feedback, I'd initiated body contact, etc. Turns out the girl was an opera singer from USC. I'm a classically trained musician so I ditched my game for 5 seconds, got excited and I started asking her about her favorite composers and within 2 minutes she literally had her back to me.

I gotta say, this shit frustrates the hell out of me. I know I'm being too logical here...but meeting someone in a bar that can intelligently discuss a common interest? When did that become a turnoff? More and more, whenever I hear girls go on about, "Oh, I just want someone funny, cute, INTELLIGENT..." it makes me want to puke.

Did you meet this girl at Yardhouse, by any chance?! I hit on a cute opera singer from USC not long ago. It would be a trip if two sausages from this board were hitting on the same girl!

But, I agree with you. Girls that say they want an "intelligent" guy don't know what they're talking about 90 percent of the time. In fact, they don't know what the fuck they want until you come over and sell it to them. That's why that old sales saying exists in the first place: "Don't pitch the bitch." No logical decision-making skills.

It's interesting that some of these chicks will claim--often unsolicited--that THEY'RE intelligent. Maybe therein lies the answer. THEIR idea of intelligent is being glued to their phone, using "like" for every other word, and woo-ing loudly to express enjoyment.

Nope, at The Association, which is only...a 5 minute drive from the Yardhouse downtown...

I don't remember any features other than she was blonde and probably a 7 or so.

Flirting with girls to me is almost like a suspension of reality. When I've got a good vibe going, being playful and teasing and getting good reactions, inside I'm thinking, "Seriously? Really? THIS is what attracts you?!"

[tomtud]

Folks we will continue to bang our heads by thinking about womens logic. Forget about it.... Also, I have suffered the consequences of being intelligent in front of women, but sometimes oddly it worked in my favour. GO FIGURE!?!?!?!?!?!? one such case was a persian chick. I started talking about her country and pretended that I was the secret police..... she was impressed with how much I knew and eventually made out with her that night. I was intelligent but at the same time playful. In this case it worked. Now with other girls, I gauge when the pendulum swings in my favour, so that she can initiate conversation. So, whenever she asks me an opinion question, I just continue being playful but make her do more of the talking so I don't shoot myself in the foot.

Wait till the pendulum swings in your favour, then show off a bit and give her your "intellectual" opinion. Before this, just be playful and make her do most of the talking when it becomes a bit too serious.

[AlphaQup2nite]

Logic and women tend to never mix. Ive run into the same issue as posted above. Girls think they want intelligence, but they hate people smarter then them. Notice how girl groups tend to be all of roughly the same intelligence? Its much rarer for like a genius girl to be hanging out with party chicks then it is for guys. Plus they tend to use the most fragmented and convoluted logic i have ever seen. I try to stay away from the whole higher stuff. I literally 1/2 the time turn my ears off and find myself nodding and thinking about interesting things, or looking for hotter chicks around when girls are talking to me if the topics come up. Then when she asks something im supposed to respond to, i just ignore the questions and say something like "oh i wasnt really listening, i got a bit bored" or something along those lines. Works for me, just dont overuse it.

[BB_Jenkins]

I agree with the whole "don't go intellectual" thing. I mean that shit merges with the whole Feminist thing as well. They (Feminist) want to take over and run shit anyway. SO for them to do that would mean that they'd need to be smarter then men (this is all in their head of course). So when YOU start going all genius on her. The pussy starts to dry up on you.... Half of that bitches kicks was feeling like she was smarter than you.

When was the last time you went to eat your FAVORITE TREAT and it started talking to you. NEVER RIGHT. And if it did you wouldn't eat that mother fucker (this anology is a bit much but you get the gist of it).

Sit there, let her run that trap of hers. Nod and look for hotter chicks like Alpha said. If she's talking THAT much. The odds are that you have her in your clutches anyway. So just prepare for your dick to get wet.

(02-12-2011 12:54 AM)AlphaQup2nite Wrote:  

"oh i wasnt really listening, i got a bit bored"

Love this line because it's the true and that bitch thinks your just joking. I'm gonna have to borrow that one.

[Catch 22]

This is interesting, because women like authority, no? I guess intelligence isn't quite the same as authority, but they often come together.

Agreed, though, knowledge/intelligence is more valuable for LTR game.