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03-17-2017, 01:29 AM
I'm not a flat-earther, but I concede that the earth could be flat, and severely misunderstood. I've seen a lot of the anti-science attitude, though, and yes, it's aggravating. To be fair, however, plenty flat-earthers have great respect for science, they're just skeptical of the source, or perhaps their desire for the earth to be flat clouds their judgment. Many deserve pity more than scorn.
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03-17-2017, 10:22 AM
@ Merc (I hate that I can't properly do quotes on mobile )
"Flat earther's I think believe in a specific kind of magnetism and that is what causes objects to cling to the earth, They tie that to the idea of the magnetic north and south poles and the way compasses work.
I read something many years ago about the magnetic pull of the poles having changed a few thousand years ago, but obviously now not sure how seriously I should take that now.
On a more interesting note various old cultures (especially Japanese and Chinese specifically) for many centuries drew their maps with south at the top and north at the bottom."
Even if they believe that some kind of magnetism is what keeps the planets to cling to the earth, that actually creates another issue.
1) Even if planets are drawn to earth via magnetism, gravity says they will still be round. So you still have to disprove gravity
2) Annnnd now you also have to support this new type of magnetism
I don't believe flat earthers have conducted any type of experaments supporting the above points.
Somewhere back in this thread someone mentioned that even with flat earth theory, it is possible that parts may have a slight curvature. Well yeah, it is exactly the measurement of this curvature that ancient people thousands of years ago used to prove the earth is round, via expiraments such as the obelisk shadow expirament, which I mentioned earlier. And they all believed in god/gods, so this idea that lying to people for thousands of years about the curvature of the earth to hide that fact that god existed is just absurd. Hell in certain times and places you could be killed for not believing in god.
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03-17-2017, 04:08 PM
Quote: (03-16-2017 04:12 PM)Ethan Hunt Wrote:
I'm kind of torn between wanted to believe the earth to be flat but knowing it's probably a globe.
...We already know that gravity doesn't exist. I can prove that by having two exact same balloons. A 10gram balloon filled with oxygen will fall to the ground whereas and 10gram filled with helium will rise. Helium doesn't have a negative weight. It weighs the same as oxygen. Only difference is the amount of energy running through the gas. So the higher amount of energy running through something the higher it gets. Not a lack of gravity. A airplane that's not got its engine running has zero energy running through but one with engines running and travelling at 350mph has a shit ton of energy running through it, hence why it stays in the sky.
Also another points why do magnets in a compass always point dead straight. If the earth was a curve would it not move in a different direction?
Wrong, Oxygen weighs 16 times more than Helium (O2 vs H2 molecules). Buoyancy laws are completely compatible with gravity laws, bodies that are less dense will float if immersed in denser fluids. Air is a fluid composed mostly of nitrogen and oxygen molecules. A helium balloon will float upwards in air for the same reason an ice cube will float on water, because of buoyancy.
Planes fly because of the Bernoulli Effect, which results in a pressure differential on the wing surface when the plane is traveling through air, exactly the same way a sail on a boat works.
Quote: (03-17-2017 05:13 AM)brick tamland Wrote:
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Huh?
Given what we know today, how could the Earth possibly be flat?
That is precisely the inquiry in this thread in my view. I'll concede that the flat earth theory is tricky to process. But nothing stops an inquirer from doing his own research into its feasibility or the veracity of the science that could underpin it. I haven't done the level of research that would allow me to write NEUTRALLY and present arguments perhaps in the form of "30 SCIENTIFIC reasons the earth is a plane, not a sphere".
As an aside, somewhat, is it taboo to say, that to me, the sun does not look like it is 93 million miles away from earth, and neither does the moon seem like it is 238,900 miles from earth? In other words, my naked eyes do not perceive it that way. The moon sometimes looks moderately semi-transparent, especially shortly before sunrise. These are observations with my naked eye yet I would not INSIST that this is so without some objective facts (that satisfy my reasoning) that I could use to underpin my view.
Ditto. There are ZERO scientific reasons the earth is flat, it's just contorted manipulation of optics that non-scientists fall for. The moon looks like a sphere if you've ever observed it.
The real question about the moon is, we know it is made out of cheese, but what
kind of cheese? I'm thinking parmigiano. The scientific establishment leans towards cheddar but that's because of cultural bias. Swiss scientists claim it is Swiss cheese, based on the observable holes/craters. And if you disagree with that, you probably haven't had enough to drink... happy St Paddy's!
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03-17-2017, 06:32 PM
After this election I believe in conspiracy theories. Alot of it comes down to the psychology of the elites(often psychopaths). People who were purposely damaged as children through rape and torture have a high tolerance for pain in life so have no problem with many experiences the average person would avoid. Always criticizing a child makes them feel no matter what they do they are never good enough so they dont stop not even at the hundred million mark. Ive personally known two guys with over 50 million and they had some twisted psychology. They also start to view themselves as godlike and view commoners even as subhumans that need to be culled. They start inbreeding because of their supposedly superior bloodlines(take a look at jacob rothschild or king tut and his club foot) Take a deep look at how often different human societies started making human sacrifices and you realize its something periodic. The people in control right now have made it a scientific practice honed over centuries of how to hide themselves and their effects and control the world. And like a Bond villian they have such big egos they brag about it publicly. And they still get away with it. The average person has such different experiences and psychology in life thats its easy not to believe. We tend to believe in what is presented to us. Its a life shattering experience when you find out who the elites are and how they treat the common man. The Rothschilds eagerly promoted European wars just to earn a little more cash. Its not hard to win when you bet on both sides(winner must pay losers debt too).
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03-19-2017, 06:25 PM
Bro Hunt: there are no degree of "easier" to an omnipotent being.
How does flatness of the Earth affect the Divine?
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03-21-2017, 05:56 AM
I couldn't sleep tonight so I wound up reading this entire thread. Skipped the numerous videos since I feel YouTube *proof* dumbs down the argument (for both sides).
This thread is a fascinating insight into heuristics. Worthy of a subthread of it's own. Like when pewdiepie live comments on others playing video games.
To add quickly to this thread: Never discount the power of incentive and comfortable intellectual postulating.
If you were to find yourself workimg as a brilliant navigator in a commercial cargo ship, how would you perform your job? Would you subscribe to the flat earth theory? Would you use this geographic insight to develop better instruments and quicker more efficient sailing routes?
We're talking about real money at stake here. This is one of the largest industries on (flat?) earth, employing millions of people. There is no incentive to obfuscate, only efficiency and speed.
If the round earth is a lie, then it must be strange that the truth of a flat earth has not somehow developed it's own navigational structure to at least rival the round earth model. As a ship navigator that must be an awful lie to be living. Why don't these flat earthers make some money off this!!!!
This discussion reminds me heavily of the transsexual/gender is a construct/women are the same as men arguments. You can't prooooooove it because there's like this one kind of context where maybe it's not quite true depending on the angleand a my daughter wants to be refferred to as Frank so therefore she's a he.
Sincerely though, some very interesting posts from both sides. 911 In particular.
Where's the money dammit!
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03-21-2017, 12:09 PM
^^^
Much like the transgender argument, look at the insentive and comfort/safety level behind his statement. Does he work in a geographically dependant field (practically not academically) where he needs to put up or shut up? Naw.
What are Shaqs thoughts on the Peace of Westphalia? Just as relevant and credible.
Sorry to keep getting back to this tranny thing, but I feel the rise of these kind of irrelevant and purposefully distracting claims of Emporer Gold Clothes are part and parcel of the same religious, cultural, and scientific collapse of western society.
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03-21-2017, 12:11 PM
Not surprised to see this being pushed by the MSM, by the NBA, and by the people who are producing these slick videos. They are pissing in the well, destroying the "conspiracy" brand with this flat earth poison pill.
You wouldn't see big reports on the AP or ABC about celebrities saying that JFK was assassinated by the deep state or that 9/11 was an inside job. Talking about Flat Earth is a subtle approach to discredit those facts as they get subconsciously lumped with F.E.
Most of these celebrities like Tila Tequila and NBA athletes are fairly retarded useful idiots, but some like Lebron James are active parties to this deception.
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03-21-2017, 04:17 PM
Mercenary -
Shaquille O’Neal and other NBA players are millionaires who's lives are made by proles paying to see them throw a ball in a basket - these lucky and sheltered millionaires can afford to be stupid. You cannot.
Their outrageous statements give them publicity and help these aged past stars to get some last gleam of fame before they age into obscurity. Your reputation and name depends on whether you speak the truth and are known as a reliable down to earth guy or whether you ramble some long disproven falsehoods and cannot be trusted to not fall into some cult or scam.
There is porobably not much in common between you and Shaquille O'Neal and you shouldn't rely on his opinion on anything outside basketball.
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03-21-2017, 04:26 PM
Shaq is also a famous prankster.
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03-21-2017, 04:35 PM
Jesus--people have been saying the earth is spherical (and the scientific community is in almost universal agreement) since 3rd Century B.C., but Shaq says the earth is flat, so it must be true!
Not exactly the strongest argument. I understand being skeptical and questioning accepted science and all that (though I think it's foolish...). However, if flat earthers don't believe the scientific community that says the earth is spherical, why would all of the sudden Shaq's (or any basketball player's)? Laughable.
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03-21-2017, 10:00 PM
You guys are pretty naiive if you think that I am using a statement by a former famous NBA player as proof of anything.
My point in posting that info is that there is a push somewhere to put this particular topic into the mainstream and discredit it at the same time, while not discussing the key questions seriously.
