[Andy_B]

Men who always default to "she" whenever a pronoun is needed.

Anybody notice how commonplace this is?

It's like, grammatical white knightery.

This kind of shit is so pervasive man... It's like, completely saturated our culture, to the point that men identify as women on a subconscious level.

It's so bizarre.

[Walderschmidt]

(05-17-2014 10:55 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

Men who always default to "she" whenever a pronoun is needed.

Anybody notice how commonplace this is?

It's like, grammatical white knightery.

This kind of shit is so pervasive man... It's like, completely saturated our culture, to the point that men identify as women on a subconscious level.

It's so bizarre.

It used to be "he". Gradually, it turned into "one".

I haven't noticed "she" yet - but take care to do the opposite as much as possible.

Wald

[soup]

It's called being a faggot.

[Icarus]

Happens all the time in academia. College professors are too scared of being accused of sexism by some deranged feminist student.

[Foolsgo1d]

Do you mean in a context where it would be one "he" or "she" but now its "he/she/they"?

In Academia you do it to ensure your grade isn't fucked with if the lecturer is a known ball buster of men.

In the corporate world its PC speak to avoid the same outcome. If a man uses it on his own freewill then maybe questions can be asked but a lot of the time he might not realise it.

[Deluge]

(05-17-2014 10:55 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

Men who always default to "she" whenever a pronoun is needed.

Anybody notice how commonplace this is?

It's like, grammatical white knightery.

This kind of shit is so pervasive man... It's like, completely saturated our culture, to the point that men identify as women on a subconscious level.

It's so bizarre.

Yup. Defaulting to "she", "women and men" and "daughters and sons" has become extremely common for newspapers, schools and big businesses over the last few years. I've noticed it twice in the last week alone in major newspapers here (one left-wing one right-wing), both times by male writers

This shows the true colours of the feminists pushing this. If they truly believed in gender equality they would use "they", "people" or "both sexes" and "children" instead. I'm still waiting to have this pop up in conversation with someone so I can accuse them of sexism for not using gender-neutral language so I can watch them squirm

[LaCobra]

The same is happening here in Argentina.

The plural for the word everyone "Todos" is used for both genders, now people here say "todos y todas" or use the stupid "todxs" in writing.

[Volk]

I have seen it in tech a lot. The programmers have been under fire recently for making it "too tough" for women to be on their level. A lot, if not all of the programmers with a blog now have to use "she" to refer to better, more skilled peers, and "he" when referring to less-skilled peers, fired coworkers, and failed employees.

This makes me sick. I stopped reading those, and now I check better sources for what I want.

[SpiderKing]

(05-18-2014 10:05 AM)LaCobra Wrote:  

The same is happening here in Argentina.

The plural for the word everyone "Todos" is used for both genders, now people here say "todos y todas" or use the stupid "todxs" in writing.

Can't imagine going from "mis padres" to "mis madres".

[The Father]

(05-17-2014 11:11 PM)Walderschmidt Wrote:  

I haven't noticed "she" yet - but take care to do the opposite as much as possible.

Wald

Me too, Wald. The bitches hate it

[Quintus Curtius]

It is pathetic.

I suppose the theory is that it's an attempt to redress the prevalence of masculine defaults like "mankind" or "he" when talking about people in general.

That's the theory, if you want to call it that.

In practice, it's irritating and distracting. It simplistically assumes any use of masculine linguistic forms carries with it a derogation of the feminine. Which is not true. It's just a word, a generic place-holder, that carries no baggage with it.

But feminists don't see it that way, of course. For them, hypersensitive as they are to anything masculine, every word carries some evil subcontext. They can't let anything go.

Quite demented people, they are.

And if guys are doing this, this says to me that they're incurable simps and white knights.

[Haig]

Hey,

Don't quote me on this, but I read somewhere that Man or Men was the "Gender Neutral" term for both the Sexes.

The old English term for Man was "Were" (as in Werewolf)

Another theory I have is that the attack on the language is a deliberate attempt to introduce a form of linguistic minimalism a la Orwells 1984

Double Plus good for all.

[speakeasy]

(05-17-2014 10:55 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

Men who always default to "she" whenever a pronoun is needed.

Anybody notice how commonplace this is?

It's like, grammatical white knightery.

This kind of shit is so pervasive man... It's like, completely saturated our culture, to the point that men identify as women on a subconscious level.

It's so bizarre.

I haven't really noticed it much. But we've traditionally referred to some gender neutral objects with "she", such as ships, cars, airplanes, the planet itself(e.g., "let's keep her oceans clean"), anything nature related such as mountains and rivers, entire nations e.g. "mother Russia", "Lady Liberty", etc., entire continents, "the motherland Africa", etc etc.

[Onto]

Many feel there will never be a society where women are more powerful than men. That men will lose the right to vote or to hold office.

It would be insane to think that could ever happen right?

But if we were to go back in time and show a man 200 years ago what our society is like now, would he believe us?

[Rutting Elephant]

Seems like a pretty minor thing to bitch about.
Females read, too, and in many non-manosphere contexts it behooves a writer to make his readers feel personally engaged.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(05-18-2014 08:41 PM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

Seems like a pretty minor thing to bitch about.
Females read, too, and in many non-manosphere contexts it behooves a writer to make his readers feel personally engaged.

You mean her readers.

[Onto]

(05-18-2014 06:45 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(05-17-2014 10:55 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

Men who always default to "she" whenever a pronoun is needed.

Anybody notice how commonplace this is?

It's like, grammatical white knightery.

This kind of shit is so pervasive man... It's like, completely saturated our culture, to the point that men identify as women on a subconscious level.

It's so bizarre.

I haven't really noticed it much. But we've traditionally referred to some gender neutral objects with "she", such as ships, cars, airplanes, the planet itself(e.g., "let's keep her oceans clean"), anything nature related such as mountains and rivers, entire nations e.g. "mother Russia", "Lady Liberty", etc., entire continents, "the motherland Africa", etc etc.

That's a good observation and you're right. It's because these things are symbols of the feminine. In the larger context the feminine is everything that's physical in the world (the worldy), while the masculine is everything that's not physical (other-worldly) such as ideals, principals, action.

Matter is feminine
Form is masculine

Take a piece of clay that's shaped like a chair. The feminine aspect of it is the clay itself, while the masculine part is the form of a chair.

What the OP is talking about is more serious because it uses the concept of identity which is a masculine concept in itself to actually negate the masculine (his/he). Symbolically this is akin to castration but it's more perverse because it uses the tools of the masculine (identity, the written word) to castrate it. This type of perversion is nothing new in modern day western society. The law is a tool of the masculine and it's routinely used by the feminine to castrate us. (Family Law/Sexual Harrasment/Approach Harrasment/Protection from false rape allegations/Gender discrimination)

Unfortunately most people are unable to see it this way and so think there is nothing wrong.

[SheWantsTheD]

(05-17-2014 10:55 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

Men who always default to "she" whenever a pronoun is needed.

Anybody notice how commonplace this is?

It's like, grammatical white knightery.

This kind of shit is so pervasive man... It's like, completely saturated our culture, to the point that men identify as women on a subconscious level.

It's so bizarre.

I've seen it a lot lately, and it sticks out like a sore ******* thumb! The writers who do it look so pathetic. I want to troll every article where the White Knights gather and tell them just how much they resemble a eunuch.

[Truth Teller]

(05-17-2014 10:55 PM)Andy_B Wrote:  

Men who always default to "she" whenever a pronoun is needed.

Anybody notice how commonplace this is?

It's like, grammatical white knightery.

This kind of shit is so pervasive man... It's like, completely saturated our culture, to the point that men identify as women on a subconscious level.

It's so bizarre.

Yet you get bitched at if you use "he" as the pronoun. Personally, I use he/she, and the trannies are assigned whatever they were at birth.

[Fortis]

Haha, I find it quite humorous when guys do that. Personally, it's silly that people are raising a fit about people defaulting to "he" instead of some gender neutral bullshit like "one" or "he/she." What the fuck is this nonsense? I teach writing, and I love it when I ask students whether they should use "He" or "she" as their singular pronoun. Most kids are so fucking indoctrinated that they use "he/she." It's really pathetic how guilty certain people feel for being masculine. Of course I'm going to use a fucking masculine pronoun; I'm a guy. I use he all the time, and people will call me out, but I usually just default back to, "they're both singular." That usually silences any shenanigans.

Tl;dr Use whichever one you want, but don't feel the need to supplicate to either side.

[Andy_B]

I just wanted to make something clear:

It seems a lot of people ITT think I'm talking about expressions like "one" or "he or she".

I don't have a problem with that, and generally speaking, I actually use "he or she" myself.

I'm talking about when male writers DEFAULT to using "her" or "she".

[christpuncher]

I had a professor who's syllabus stated that points would be docked for using "he" when it was a he/she situation. Using "she" was acceptable however.

I used "he" and got a lower grade...but now I work a real job in the oil sands and make more money than him at half his age. So the joke is on you, Dr. Faggot!

[SheWantsTheD]

(05-23-2014 06:11 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  

I had a professor who's syllabus stated that points would be docked for using "he" when it was a he/she situation. Using "she" was acceptable however.

I used "he" and got a lower grade...but now I work a real job in the oil sands and make more money than him at half his age. So the joke is on you, Dr. Faggot!

You showed him.



You should write him a letter with a photocopy of your paycheck and use 'he' while calling him that.

[TheFinalEpic]

I was very lucky throughout my English classes to have older, more "old-English" type professors. They always (and most of them were female) said the correct term to describe an un-gendered person in writing is "he". Thank god I didn't have one of those young feminist types, these women knew the correct use of this language, unlike so many people today.

[lurker]

This shit drives me nuts, but it's amusing when it backfires. I read a law journal article not long ago about Fourth Amendment jurisprudence. Guess what gendered pronoun the shitlib author used to refer to the collection of incarcerated violent criminals that formed the underlying subject matter of his piece?