[marksoc]

Wow, red pill about fatness distilled in an amazing episode of Louie, the Louis CK show. Some outlets have taken it as a feminist lesson about acceptance. I think the opposite is true. The most honest view about being a fat woman in New York I have seen. Truly dark and discomforting. Please watch carefully,

[marksoc]

Here is the entire monologue by the Fat Girl if you don´t want to watch the episode:

Louie: "You´re not fat"

Vanessa: Ugh, dammit. That is so goddamn disappointing, Louie.

Louie, you know what the meanest thing is you can say to a fat girl? "You're not fat." I mean, come on, buddy. It just sucks. It really really sucks. You have no idea. And the worst part is, I'm not even supposed to do this. Tell anyone how bad it sucks, because it's too much for people. I mean, you, you can talk into the microphone and say you can't get a date, you're overweight. It's adorable. But if I say it, they call the suicide hotline on me.

I mean, can I just say it? I'm fat. It sucks to be a fat girl. Can people just let me say it? It sucks. It really sucks. And I'm going to go ahead and say it. It's your fault.

Look, I really like you, you're truly a good guy, I think. I'm so sorry. I'm picking you. On behalf of all the fat girls, I'm making you represent all the guys. Why do you hate us so much? What is is about the basics of human happiness, feeling attractive, feeling loved, having guys chase after us, that's just not in the cards for us? Nope. Not for us.

How is that fair? And why am I supposed to just accept it?

Louie: You know, Vanessa, you're a very, really beautiful—

Vanessa: If I was a very, really beautiful, then you would have said yes when I asked you out. I mean, come on, Louie, be honest here. You know what's funny? I flirt with guys all the time. And I mean the great looking ones, the really high-caliber studs? They flirt right back, no problem. Because they know their status will never be questioned. But guys like you never flirt with me, because you get scared that maybe you should be with a girl like me. And why not? You know, if you were standing over there looking at us, you know what you'd see? That we totally match. We're actually a great couple together. And yet, you would never date a girl like me. Have you ever dated a girl that was heavier than you? Have you?

Louie: Yes I have, yes I have.

Vanessa: No no no, I didn't say have you ever fucked a fat girl, Louie. I'm sure you have. Every guy has. I mean, when I met you, if I had said, "Hey, do you want to go to the bathroom and screw on a big can of peaches?" you would have gone for it. No, I'm saying, have you ever dated a fat girl. Have you ever kissed a fat girl? Have you ever wooed a fat girl? Have you ever held hands with a fat girl? Have you ever walked down the street in the light of day, holding hands, with a big girl like me?

Go ahead. Hold my hand. What do you think is going to happen? You think your dick is going to fall off if you hold hands with a fat girl? You know what the sad thing is? It's all I want. I mean, I can get laid. Any woman who is willing can get laid. I don't want that. I don't even need a boyfriend or a husband. All I want is to hold hands with a nice guy, and walk and talk —

[Vaun]

I think he did this in response to fat shaming, at least that was the gut reaction I had when I watched it.

[marksoc]

(05-14-2014 10:47 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

I think he did this in response to fat shaming, at least that was the gut reaction I had when I watched it.

That is a way to see it. I think he did more for fat shaming that even ROK week on it. It was brutal. If I was a young woman watching I would do everything in my power to never ever be in that situation.

[cardguy]

You can watch the ending of the show (with the monologue) here:

I love Lucky CK's stand up. But I hate his TV shows ('Louie' and his cancelled show 'Lucky Louie'). He also made a film once - which was terrible as well.

I find 'Louie' to be boring, pretentious and sappy - with lots of faggy SWPL opinions dressed up to make them seem 'real' and 'edgy'.

'Lucky Louie' was literally the worse sitcom I have ever seen.

Strange that I love his stand-up though.

First thing to note - the chick is closer to being chubby than fat. Secondly - she is presentable and not mega obese like a lot of fat chicks.

But she is still fat.

Nevertheless - at the start - we see the makers of the show trying to find the best looking chick (who is also fat) as a way of trying to muddy the waters.

The emotional tension in the scene would drop off if the chick was a lot heavier.

So - on with the scene itself. It boils down to the chick admitting she can get laid easily as a fat chick - but she wants more. Jut the simple respect of having a boyfriend who will hold her hand in public. Which Louis CK - does at the end of the show.

I am not sure if the show will spin the direction of him dating her. But it seems clear he is just doing it to make her happy and to get her to stop crying.

As for the wider point the scene was making. I don't see much here.

Woman complains about being fat.

Louis CK beta supplicates her by lying and saying she is not fat.

Which is an interesting admission by omission that women always miss. Since to supplicate a fat chick by telling her she is not fat - is also for both of them to admit that being fat is a hideous thing. Without saying it out loud.

The problem with 'Louie' is that it is a SWPL show and it regularly raises issues that become talking points in the liberal media.

This scene will do the same. But hearing a fat woman moan about not being able to get a boyfriend doesn't move the debate further. Since there is nothing to debate.

But just having her moan in the first place will give the illusion that something important has being said. Perhaps fat women think guys will start to sympathize with fat women and start treating them better.

But why should we? This emotional rape and we should not 'put out'.

Since in the same way men want sex and women want emotional validation - we should not play ball with them until Playboy chicks are starting to suck my dick as a way of supplicating me for being a fat loser with a small dick.

Nothing to see here...

[marksoc]

Note the people jogging behind them, note Louie discomfort, and him finally caving in just to make her shut-up. Louie CK is a smart dude.

[cardguy]

I don't see how you guys can see this scene as being red-pill.

The point it is making is boilerplate feminism. Here is a quote from the Huffington Post WOMAN blog:

Quote:

Vanessa and Louie are both victims of inane beauty standards and the neuroses they produce: Vanessa's body is not seen as beautiful, while Louie loses an opportunity to date a wonderful woman because he will not permit himself to find an "unattractive" woman desirable.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/13...18871.html

[Skye]

(05-14-2014 10:57 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

I don;t see how you guys can see this scene as being red-pill.

Thank you. He's just a lonely guy in a situation where the fat chick is putting him through the ringer and has no choice but to cave because he's caring more about how she sees him and how she's alone than his life.

[marksoc]

(05-14-2014 10:57 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

I don;t see how you guys can see this scene as being red-pill.

The point it is making is boilerplate feminism. Here is a quote from the Huffington Post WOMAN blog:

Quote:

Vanessa and Louie are both victims of inane beauty standards and the neuroses they produce: Vanessa's body is not seen as beautiful, while Louie loses an opportunity to date a wonderful woman because he will not permit himself to find an "unattractive" woman desirable.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/13...18871.html

"Blue Pill" would be fattie Lena Dunham fantasizing in her series about being naked and being wanted by handsome men. Is what she does in "Girls". This is the opposite, saying how it is, disguising it from criticism by feminists by having the fat girl (which is cute and funny but absolutely fat) saying how it sucks. The bit about being afraid of thinking tat a man should be with her is just manipulation. Look, Louis CK is an humanist. He is not Randian or something like that. For me he is the equivalent on TV of Kurt Vonnegut. And being that and all, when was the last time you saw a fat woman on TV saying that being fat is really bad for your love life?

[cardguy]

Fuck - I wish I could have written that script.

I am brutally honest with fat women.

It is very simple. I always tell them the same thing.

You are fat. I don't find you attractive. No man minds you attractive - and the ones that say they do are lying.

Although some guys may genuinely find fat women attractive - but they are as rare as finding a necrophiliac who will one day find your dead body attractive. And besides - with those guys with genuine fat fetishes. The fatter the better - so you are probably still 20 stone short of ever really turning them on.

Nevertheless - I am a nice guy. So I am happy to be friendly towards you. I will probably not be your friend though because you are a woman - and no matter how interesting and entertaining you are. I know 200 guys who are smarter and funnier than you.

Good day.

[cardguy]

@marksoc - I agree that Louis CK is trying to push these issues out there. And is bounded in what he can say.

He was friends with Patrice O'Neal. And Patrice O'Neal said the price of success is that you owe somebody. And can no longer be free with your opinions.

What Louis CK is saying on the show is not how he really thinks. I used to hear him on the radio before he became famous and he was a lot less sensitive and blue-pill than he is on the show. The problem is that he is trying not to really offend anyone. But the reason I hate the show is because he is disguising his true feelings in order to 'create art'.

Fuck that.

'The Office' dealt with gender relations in a much more honest (and artistic) way.

[Vaun]

(05-14-2014 10:49 PM)marksoc Wrote:  

(05-14-2014 10:47 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

I think he did this in response to fat shaming, at least that was the gut reaction I had when I watched it.

That is a way to see it. I think he did more for fat shaming that even ROK week on it. It was brutal. If I was a young woman watching I would do everything in my power to never ever be in that situation.

or a man being caught in that situation.

[Vaun]

(05-14-2014 11:13 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

'The Office' dealt with gender relations in a much more honest (and artistic) way.

god damn I miss David Brent, and fish fingers

[Rotisserie]

Sorry OP, I don't mean to jump on top of the dog pile, but this is pretty much the antithesis of 'red pill,' whatever that means.

Let's step away from the blue/red pill terms. You say:

(05-14-2014 10:49 PM)marksoc Wrote:  

If I was a young woman watching I would do everything in my power to never ever be in that situation.

I think this did more to try and get men to think that physical attractiveness shouldn't be a priority... that we should ignore our biological drive to ignore fat bitches, and allow ourselves to cave to the pressure of a woman crying 'you don't find me attractive, but you should!'

When a man does what this bitch did, he is a big fat crying pussy. 'I may be short and fat, but I'm a great guy and I'll always be there for you! You should like me! WILL YOUR PUSSY FALL OFF IF YOU JUST HOLD MY HAND???'

I am very, very curious to see how he approaches the next episode. If he does happen to ignore her and this was just a 'moment of weakness,' which I've actually had with older bitches who've hit the wall... then this is a forgivable offense, and would be a subtle feather in his cap. But if he actually has a relationship with her after being essentially guilt-tripped into holding triple chin's hand, Louis CK is a goddamn pussy and any manosphere privileges should be suspended immediately.

As cardguy alludes to here:

(05-14-2014 11:13 PM)cardguy Wrote:  

He was friends with Patrice O'Neal. And Patrice O'Neal said the price of success is that you owe somebody. And can no longer be free with your opinions. (You even got Patrice knowledge cardguy. Props.)

What Louis CK is saying on the show is not how he really thinks. I used to hear him on the radio before he became famous and he was a lot less sensitive and blue-pill than he is on the show. The problem is that he is trying not to really offend anyone. But the reason I hate the show is because he is disguising his true feelings in order to 'create art'.

Fuck that.

Louis CK is treading very, very closely to being an outright sell out.

[marksoc]

No, he is not, at least in episode 4. Mike White would in one of his series, but not Louie. Mike White embraces beta-ness, I don´t think Louie does.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Let's not take anything as gospel truth that was scripted by agenda-driven Hollywood writers and tweaked by editors and test audiences. He probably found his female demographic was faltering and needed to shore it up. This is why Bon Jovi used to release ballads and not rockers as singles: the marketers said they needed more sales to women, who preferred the softer songs.

That said, I want to address one thing:

Vanessa: No no no, I didn't say have you ever fucked a fat girl, Louie. I'm sure you have. Every guy has.

I haven't. I have never even kissed a "fat chick" per se. And I'm tired of women thinking men secretly lust after fat women and would date them if only "society didn't disapprove." If anything, the explosion in the popularity of porn is a testament to how men would rather jerk off than even screw fat women, much less date them.

Louie should know better than to unleash this kind of bullshit on the world. I guess the "marketing gurus" got to him.

[cardguy]

To be fair to Louis. I don't think he is going to end up in a relationship with this chick.

I would be surprised if they go down that path.

I don't watch the show - so maybe this is the sort of direction they feel they haven't explored with the show yet. So who knows?

As for Louis CK - he is pretty blue pill.

It was just a joke - but in his most recent stand up show he said he said he was surprised that women agree to date men. Since anywhere in the world and throughout history - the biggest threat to women has being men.

The problem with guys like Louis CK and Doug Stanhope is they swear a lot and are happy using the N word and shit to explore how uncomfortable society is about it. But at the same time - they are essentially preaching a SWPL agenda which isn't very controversial.

Somebody like Patrice O'Neal was genuinely too real to deal with high level success - since even when he was telling jokes, he wasn't fucking around. He thought through and meant everything he said. No matter how uncomfortable it made himself and others.

Could you ever imagine Louis CK or any other comedian doing the following during a stand up comedy special filmed for TV?

[Rotisserie]

(05-15-2014 12:12 AM)cardguy Wrote:  

Could you ever imagine Louis CK or any other comedian doing the following during a stand up comedy special filmed for TV?

A lot of versions of that special have that part edited out. I don't really remember it that much, and I re-watched that special for like the 20th time just a few days ago.

As for who would do something similar, the closest would be Bill Burr. A buddy of mine and I always argue about who was more badass/funnier/'red pill,' and he says Burr... but I think this vid proves it's no contest.

[cardguy]

Patrice tied up bitches and pissed on them.

Patrice got his girlfriend to find other women for threesomes.

And - Bill Burr got married to this:



I love Bill Burr - but I feel he is a little safe in his opinions. Most comedians are. And it is a shame since if you have a comedic frame of mind you are bound to think up some very uncomfortable thoughts.

And the moment you silence those thoughts you become a sell-out. Patrice is one of the few who let his true opinions guide his act. No bullshitting.

Norm MacDonald is another - although he has admitted in interviews that he has opinions that he has to keep to himself because they would end his career. I at least give him credit for being honest about how the game operates.

[cardguy]

The subject of honesty and comedy is an interesting one.

Anthony Cumia (co-host of the 'Opie and Anthony' radio show) is good for this sort of thing. He is a pretty funny guy - but there are much funnier comedians.

But because he is rich and is a 'shock jock' on satellite radio - he can say what he wants. As such - you get to hear him explore topics which most comedians would be afraid to address. Which is a shame since the thing I most enjoy about comedy - is hearing smart people talk honestly about issues other people are too scared to touch.

[cardguy]

@DoBA - I missed your post earlier.

Absolutely right. I would rather stick my dick in a dog than a fat chick.

Every time a guy jerks to internet porn - that means another fatty somewhere is sleeping alone that night.

Tim Berners-Lee has done more for the Red Pill than anyone else.

[Zengling]

Regarding Bill Burr, his latest podcast have been exploring himself and his past reminded me of Giovanny's guest on the CMQ show. You shouldn't live your life in a cynical manner that you should look at positively. Bill Burr realized that and he have been trying to throw less of a temper.

Regarding Louis CK. You guys should realize that what he portray on television and on his stand-up isn't exactly his real life persona. He makes you think that throughout his life, he have been a fat lazy ass slob but the truth is far from it. Ever since his production in "Lucky Louie" (which was 2006), he have been working his butt off in that production in writing, directing, and acting in it while simultaneously touring for his stand-up and have continued on w/ that strict discipline schedule for years and even before that, he was working on Conan O'Brien in his show as a writer so his life wasn't totally disaster. He exposed all of that in the Marc Maron's WTF Podcast.

What you are seeing on screen is him trying to sell this sympathetic loser that everybody is able to relate and feel sorry for but the matter is that he have practiced those bits and routine hundreds of time in smaller clubs before going taping his special.

And also I HATE the way that he is influencing other guys with this approach, this is like showing that you don't exactly need to work hard and the general public nowadays tries to emulate his on-stage persona rather than his ACTUAL real life one which further degenerate the society.

But that's the thing, people buy into his shit that he spews out thinking that Louis CK is so genuine and is the "hipster" thing to do when Louis CK have been simply acting out.

[Vaun]

(05-14-2014 11:43 PM)Rotisserie Wrote:  

I am very, very curious to see how he approaches the next episode.

Her clarion call to fatties speech was a little too sanctimonious to be sincere. But I would guess its his own societal statement about fat women, which then I would agree this was the moment his career peaked and he jumped the shark. It would be funny if the story shows his life getting ruined by the bitch, not sappy. I'd like to think he'd stay edgy, and not get sappy, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt he'll stay funny.

Walking both sides of the fence is comedy and music today. No one is really edgy, or contrarian. Bill Burr has never really struck me as anywhere near that. Its all about sales.

[cardguy]

@Zengling - you are right about Louis CK. He has had a strong work ethic his entire career. He used to fix cameras just so that he could operate his own and make short movies.

Although - he admits that whilst he works hard compared to other comedians. The problem is that other comedians don't work anywhere near as hard as they should. He once mentioned how he used to hate see comedians sit around smoking dope all day and then go stage and repeat observations they made up from watching dumb TV during the day. Often they would be repeating jokes that were not even theirs.

[runsonmagic]

I rewrote the scene with genders reversed for my blog post today.

http://runsonmagic.com/2014/05/nice-guy/

Enjoy.