[mtwersk22]

How do you respond to "Purple or white grape juice?" as a reply to the dinner and grape juice opener?

Any thoughts on manners, chivalry on first dates?

[mtwersk22]

GMAC - What's your average response time? Same as recommended for text game?

[NeVerGymLess]

(04-10-2011 05:58 PM)mtwersk22 Wrote:  

How do you respond to "Purple or white grape juice?" as a reply to the dinner and grape juice opener?

Any thoughts on manners, chivalry on first dates?

Just say grape then feed them the pancake one and see what reaction you get.

[Kish]

Oh yea. If your not getting any replies...don't turn into this guy....

Lmao!

[mtwersk22]

For everyone who dresses in business casual or nicer during the week, do you change before the date?

[Chad Daring]

Here's something that, throughout my entire online dating career, has always been an issue. I dont know what it is, or if its just the crazy women around DC, but online dating seems to be filled with "sports girls"

My problem is that I'm not a sports guy. The one sport I watch is soccer, though At least one out of two profiles the girl goes on about how big a sports nut she is, and "must love sports" "must love (this team)"

Is there a good angle of approach for these girls, or are they just lost causes?

Also, model girls. I see these every so often too. You'll come across a full blown profile of a girl who's a hard nine, lots of pics, usually the same club/bar girl attitude on all of the, very holier then thou.

Doesnt seem to matter what you say the situation is always the same, usually immediate deletion. I'm fairly certain they're just on the site for kicks, but has anyone had any experience cracking one of these girls open?

[auroramor]

(04-10-2011 05:58 PM)mtwersk22 Wrote:  

Any thoughts on manners, chivalry on first dates?

^^ Kind of off topic, but Very Good question...especially if you are trying for the ONS right off the bat with a POF/OKC girl. Thoughts?..

[Chad Daring]

(04-10-2011 10:55 PM)auroramor Wrote:  

(04-10-2011 05:58 PM)mtwersk22 Wrote:  

Any thoughts on manners, chivalry on first dates?

^^ Kind of off topic, but Very Good question...especially if you are trying for the ONS right off the bat with a POF/OKC girl. Thoughts?..

I'm far from an expert, but a ONS from an online girl would be very difficult I would imagine. Most have it so imbedded in their mind that they arent going to do that, if only because they said they wont (which most do), that the situation would have to be very right in order for it to work.

I think your best bet would be regular game and try to get her to a bar where you lose the "this is an interview" feel of an online setup first date. Booze always helps as well.

[gringochileno]

(04-10-2011 11:00 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(04-10-2011 10:55 PM)auroramor Wrote:  

(04-10-2011 05:58 PM)mtwersk22 Wrote:  

Any thoughts on manners, chivalry on first dates?

^^ Kind of off topic, but Very Good question...especially if you are trying for the ONS right off the bat with a POF/OKC girl. Thoughts?..

I'm far from an expert, but a ONS from an online girl would be very difficult I would imagine. Most have it so imbedded in their mind that they arent going to do that, if only because they said they wont (which most do), that the situation would have to be very right in order for it to work.

I think your best bet would be regular game and try to get her to a bar where you lose the "this is an interview" feel of an online setup first date. Booze always helps as well.

I've only been a few dates myself from OKC, but I just play like a regular first date as if I'd gotten her number at a bar or during the day. It's exactly the same except perhaps that comfort-building is easier due to having each other's profiles to work with to create conversational threads. I start at a cafe, venue change to a bar, run a few of Roosh's key moves depending on the vibe I'm getting from the girl, make out, and try to get her back to my place and bang.

If a girl has "this is a first meeting off of OKC I'm not going to give up the ONS" on her mind and you go with that, you're letting her control the frame. As far as I'm concerned, the situation is "this is a first date, and usually I bang or at least make out on first dates."

[NeVerGymLess]

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[Gmac]

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How do you respond to "Purple or white grape juice?" as a reply to the dinner and grape juice opener?

Any thoughts on manners, chivalry on first dates?

If you don't have the wit to create unique, funny comebacks quickly... you won't be able to escalate and continue this tension during your dates with them. You should be able to answer this yourself.

Manners/Chivalry is push/pull. Last night I gave my jacket to my date as we were walking to my car and said, "you're lucky, I don't usually take my jacket off for girls." I did open the door, but I also let her pay half the tab. In my opinion, anti-chivalry DHV, while sometimes chivalry can build attraction. Unless you're going full on caveman (which I don't recommend for dates anyway), you should always have manners. I never open doors for 8s or 9s though, just a rule.

(04-10-2011 10:53 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Here's something that, throughout my entire online dating career, has always been an issue. I dont know what it is, or if its just the crazy women around DC, but online dating seems to be filled with "sports girls"

My problem is that I'm not a sports guy. The one sport I watch is soccer, though At least one out of two profiles the girl goes on about how big a sports nut she is, and "must love sports" "must love (this team)"

Is there a good angle of approach for these girls, or are they just lost causes?

Also, model girls. I see these every so often too. You'll come across a full blown profile of a girl who's a hard nine, lots of pics, usually the same club/bar girl attitude on all of the, very holier then thou.

Doesnt seem to matter what you say the situation is always the same, usually immediate deletion. I'm fairly certain they're just on the site for kicks, but has anyone had any experience cracking one of these girls open?

The majority of the time, girls claim they are sports nuts because they want to have something in common with guys. Not caring about sports (as a guy) is a good thing in my experience.

(04-10-2011 11:00 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I'm far from an expert, but a ONS from an online girl would be very difficult I would imagine. Most have it so imbedded in their mind that they arent going to do that, if only because they said they wont (which most do), that the situation would have to be very right in order for it to work.

I think your best bet would be regular game and try to get her to a bar where you lose the "this is an interview" feel of an online setup first date. Booze always helps as well.

ONS from online chicks is not difficult at all. You just have to be smart with who you approach. Last night I sent about 20 messages to chicks looking for casual sex (listed in their profile and searchable on OKC and POF). This isn't something I always do of course, but it might increase my odds of ONS/FB. I don't know why I'm finding more now than a few months ago, but I went through 18 pages of these (vs. 2-3) yesterday in about 20 min. Problem is most of these girls get a LOT more messages and don't log on as often.

Recap for me since last week (Date #1 last Tuesday through Date #5 last night). All are first dates (drinks) after 5pm and between 1-3 days since initial contact.

Date #1 - ONS/SNL, went cold after a botched booty call
Date #2 - Kiss-close in car, went cold afterwards
Date #3 - Kiss-close at her place, "let's just be friends" afterwards
Date #4 - SNL, still texting
Date #5 - Kiss-close at her place followed by last minute resistance, waiting to set up next date

3 dates set so far for this week
I've got 8 other girls (4 online & 4 day/night game) that I'm texting back and forth with now. Still manageable, for now. My only problem is I seem to have little luck with 18-20 year olds, probably in part due to my age.

ONS's are totally doable, you just have to build enough attraction after contacting the right girls. If you have enough questions answered on OKC you can check your match percentage for "sex" questions. It also lists every question you've both answered. Even though girls lie often with these, the one's I always look for are "dates leading up to sex?", "would you ever have a one night stand?", and "have you ever had a booty call?". If you click personality it will tell you how sex driven they are (if they answered enough questions), among other things. Regardless of how hot the girl is, if a girl is "more pure", "more religious", or "less sex driven", I stop wasting my time and move on to the next profile.

*I should also note that I never paid the full bill on any of these dates.

[Chad Daring]

Thats why I come here, I wouldnt have simplified it to "its a first date, treat it like one"

One thing I gotta ask though, what kind of pictures are you guys rolling with that you're getting this many responses? I noticed once I got into shape and put some better pics I got more responses, but I still have never gotten more then 1 out of maybe 15 to reply, and its usually the lowest scoring girl I messaged.

I've been told no shirtless, I've been told yes to shirtless to show off your body (if its good enough to be shown off)

I've been told head shots, full body shots, social shots, alone shots, I cant seem to find a winning combo that peaks interest.

Or am I completely off basis and is it more about the initial message? PoF can be hard to get a handle on because there's that stupid "dont let someone know I viewed them" option so if you send a message out you have no idea if she's looked at your profile.

[oldnemesis]

(04-10-2011 10:53 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

My problem is that I'm not a sports guy. The one sport I watch is soccer, though At least one out of two profiles the girl goes on about how big a sports nut she is, and "must love sports" "must love (this team)"

It does not matter what she says in her profile. It doesn't matter which age range she specified, what she states she's looking for, or what kind of qualities she thinks you must possess. Therefore don't read the profiles. Just check the pictures, and if passable, send your "welcome" message. If she replied, you replied back and she replied again, only at this point it makes sense to check her profile. All "you must be" requirements are kind of fake DHV, treat them as suggestions - which they are.

I do not watch anything, not even soccer. Never had any issues because of that.

(04-11-2011 03:58 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

One thing I gotta ask though, what kind of pictures are you guys rolling with that you're getting this many responses?

You're approaching it from a wrong angle. Number of responses does not really matter - it is very possible to get a huge pile of responses (with a fake profile and fake pictures), which will lead to zero lays. Only the number of lays you got out of it which matters. If you just want a bunch of penpals you'd share how you spent your day with, use Facebook.

[Chad Daring]

(04-11-2011 04:42 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Number of responses does not really matter - it is very possible to get a huge pile of responses (with a fake profile and fake pictures), which will lead to zero lays. Only the number of lays you got out of it which matters. If you just want a bunch of penpals you'd share how you spent your day with, use Facebook.

That makes sense, but getting zero replies back also leads to zero lays. I'm trying to start at the bottom and build up. I want to get the infrastructure of my online game solid so that I can then begin to work on getting to the next level.

Also, maybe I should clarify, when I say responses I mean initial contact. I send message number one, I rarely get a reply back from that so the rapport ended before it began, and thats my biggest issue right now.

[NeVerGymLess]

(04-11-2011 03:58 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Thats why I come here, I wouldnt have simplified it to "its a first date, treat it like one"

One thing I gotta ask though, what kind of pictures are you guys rolling with that you're getting this many responses? I noticed once I got into shape and put some better pics I got more responses, but I still have never gotten more then 1 out of maybe 15 to reply, and its usually the lowest scoring girl I messaged.

I've been told no shirtless, I've been told yes to shirtless to show off your body (if its good enough to be shown off)

I've been told head shots, full body shots, social shots, alone shots, I cant seem to find a winning combo that peaks interest.

Or am I completely off basis and is it more about the initial message? PoF can be hard to get a handle on because there's that stupid "dont let someone know I viewed them" option so if you send a message out you have no idea if she's looked at your profile.

The best is to have all of them. Body pics , party pics and adventure pics. At the moment I just have shirtless pics , some chicks who are looking for relationships hate on them but girls who send me nudes and wanna hook up , love them. This summer , I might get some pro photographer to follow me around like Gregg Plitt and just take shots of me hiking , beach volleyball and cycling pics. I average a dozen msgs a day so I'm in no rush to update my pictures ATM.

[Gmac]

(04-11-2011 04:46 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

(04-11-2011 04:42 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Number of responses does not really matter - it is very possible to get a huge pile of responses (with a fake profile and fake pictures), which will lead to zero lays. Only the number of lays you got out of it which matters. If you just want a bunch of penpals you'd share how you spent your day with, use Facebook.

That makes sense, but getting zero replies back also leads to zero lays. I'm trying to start at the bottom and build up. I want to get the infrastructure of my online game solid so that I can then begin to work on getting to the next level.

Also, maybe I should clarify, when I say responses I mean initial contact. I send message number one, I rarely get a reply back from that so the rapport ended before it began, and thats my biggest issue right now.

Many of us have been doing this for years. Don't expect to see great results right away and don't get phased when you don't hear back. Anytime your mind starts wandering (why hasn't she responded? why can't I escalate? etc.) you gotta smack yourself awake... don't let yourself care that much. There are tons of girls already on there and tons more joining everyday. Not a big deal.

And I agree with NeverGymLess - I'm no bodybuilder but there are ways to show yourself shirtless that don't look douchey (aka in front of a mirror).

[Chad Daring]

Alright, maybe I just need to keep hittin the gym and get the last bit of cheese scrapped off my ass and then try that attempt. Seems like rolling with just provocative shots acts like a filter to keep the "LTR" clingers away. I approve of this.

"And I agree with NeverGymLess - I'm no bodybuilder but there are ways to show yourself shirtless that don't look douchey (aka in front of a mirror)"

What about the "flexing" picture? Is that just a little to much, or is it good to "show off" a bit?

A player friend of mine from years back suggested doing a "candid" self shot, his breakdown consisted of set a camera timer, grab a towel and make it look like you just got down showering. (granted this was in response to pics to send a girl that you're texting already)

[NeVerGymLess]

Is this msg real life ? Fucking massive I ain't reading all this shit.



.. So much for the shallow part right? Hahaha you haven't even seen me but thank you so much… I would like to say the same back but I'd rather be honest than polite lol .. But you are very enchanting to say the least.. Im speechless…that has never happened before, and Im still deciding if it’s a good thing or a bad thing but I'm a curious girl I guess that’s why Im replying lol.. I get the feeling your one of those people - either people are gona love you or hate you… haha.. But if you were to tell me all this in person I would either laugh (because I laugh at everything ) or stare at you blankly because that’s what Im doing right now… it was just tooo early on a Monday morning to reply to your message so I had to sit on it for a few hours… I now have white spot on my mind but I will share some of that space with you hahaha

.. Im soooo confused I don’t know if you're joking or you're for real… you have a witty kind of sarcastic sense of humor which I like .. If that is what your really going on in your profile lolllll

Im so glad that nutrition and staying healthy is really important to you, I hope some of that rubs off on me… I know that Im not going to have this body forever and just started going to the gym so I can get into a "routine" to benefit me later on in life I want to be in my 40's and still have a body life Jenifer Aniston.. Have you seen her in that new movie with Adam Sandler.. DROOL … so far it has been a success I go every single day!...but I am super healthy LAND BEAST LOL … that’s a new one.

Hmmm… Hobbies I don’t know if I have one in specific Im very ambitious and spontaneous I get these random ideas so at the moment mine is going to the gym .. I find it soo funny that you know what "pretty little Liars" is hahah .. Cuddling and discussions during commercial breaks is defiantly soooo CUTE!... Do you actually really like doing that or did you just throw that in the there for the ladies? Haha … I like to consider myself a pretty good cook.. But I do have a gag reflex LOL .. Should I even ask what that’s for? (Im thinking hopefully this guy isn't some sort of total Horn Dog) … can you actually write poems? And actual romantic ones… or are they corny and cheesy or some sort of old r&B song to which you changed the words around LOL … 0o0oh you like cycling.. I was considering trying it, I heard it’s a great work out but Im scared my legs might melt off haha .. But its on my "to Do" for this week.

Hahaha I enjoyed your story up until the part about wet panties of grade 8 girls hahaha LOL … Aside from your already achieved goals of being a "Greek God" what else do you hope to do/ achieve in your future… do you go to school?… do you work?

What do you meannnnnn you "shagged over 2 thousand sex dolls" LOL does that mean you have ****ed 2000 different girls :| … that makes you sort of a man whore? .. Doesn’t it but who am I to judge .. W.e floats your boat hahah … Im sure you have every girl on pof drooling over that body of yours .. Im not sure if those claims really make you unique though, not in my eyes anyways.

I think females are far more complex and need to be more than sexually pleased… I think sex is a man's thing lol … but Im glad you know the karma sutra nothing like man who knows something other than the doggy …. Hahah you are "qualified to perform.." LOL sounds like an audition to be a porn star or something.. I would hire you after that but that’s FAR from what Im looking for lol … hahah your cute with your references to sandwiches… Im like that with chicken wings… how do u like your sandwiches… Iam defiantly one of those ppl that like to stuff mine with spicy potato chips…

LOL WTFFF is up with the prostitute story … there is a bit of a age difference so are you making references to some movie, or story or song that I don’t know of? LOL or are you actually serious??????

Hmmm I don’t drink much or often but Im super out going people are usually surprised when I say nope I haven't had a drink yet lolll … south park is alright.. I prefer the Simpsons or the office… hmmm Iam sort of crazy but I like it .. Its better than being boring… I think Im decent looking LOL … I have a brain Im quite smart and can hold a conversation … hahhah I laughed through your bio but at time was a little concerned but I found it hilarious… do you really want girls to message you nudes LOL ..


That was funny I actually laughed out loud hahah … PS I don’t know about a TV dinner but I like those microwave lasagna things and I don’t like wine so the grape juice sounds awesome…


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[Chad Daring]

In my experience, limited as it may be, I've always run screaming from the WALL-O-TEXT Those kinda girls always end up batshit crazy in the bad way


Also, whats the consensus on what name/tagline you should use? I never pay attention to that shit when reading a girls profile, but I know that doesnt mean they do the same (sorry if this has been asked but I didnt see it)

[Gmac]

(04-11-2011 04:50 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Alright, maybe I just need to keep hittin the gym and get the last bit of cheese scrapped off my ass and then try that attempt. Seems like rolling with just provocative shots acts like a filter to keep the "LTR" clingers away. I approve of this.

"And I agree with NeverGymLess - I'm no bodybuilder but there are ways to show yourself shirtless that don't look douchey (aka in front of a mirror)"

What about the "flexing" picture? Is that just a little to much, or is it good to "show off" a bit?

A player friend of mine from years back suggested doing a "candid" self shot, his breakdown consisted of set a camera timer, grab a towel and make it look like you just got down showering. (granted this was in response to pics to send a girl that you're texting already)

No flexing pictures unless you are basically a calvin klein model. That shower pic just sounds gay. Stick to adventure/party pics and you won't go wrong.

[Kickb]

Just get some girls to go to a lake or pool . Then have them take pictures . Have them send them to you and pit them on okcupid. This way you don't look douchey and you are with cute girls. Just crop half their body out of the pic

[NeVerGymLess]

(04-11-2011 04:57 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(04-11-2011 04:50 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Alright, maybe I just need to keep hittin the gym and get the last bit of cheese scrapped off my ass and then try that attempt. Seems like rolling with just provocative shots acts like a filter to keep the "LTR" clingers away. I approve of this.

"And I agree with NeverGymLess - I'm no bodybuilder but there are ways to show yourself shirtless that don't look douchey (aka in front of a mirror)"

What about the "flexing" picture? Is that just a little to much, or is it good to "show off" a bit?

A player friend of mine from years back suggested doing a "candid" self shot, his breakdown consisted of set a camera timer, grab a towel and make it look like you just got down showering. (granted this was in response to pics to send a girl that you're texting already)

No flexing pictures unless you are basically a calvin klein model. That shower pic just sounds gay. Stick to adventure/party pics and you won't go wrong.

Gym, is the girl hot? Pump and dump... And after reading the gag reflex bit and beyond... bitch is already talking about sex, definitely go for it.

...Just make sure it's at her place and she doesn't get your last name.

LOl, if a girl writes me a msg like that , I'm not even gonna try and hit it. Shes sexy though, east Indian chick. I have 2 girls DTF for this weekend, im just messing around with new lines.

[Chad Daring]

So I re-worked my PoF profile for a more aloof and funny vibe, and combined a lot of the info in this thread into my opening messages, working like a fucking char. I spent over a year on this site and got nil, I've now got three dates in the planning process and talking to two others. This is in less then 24 hours.

[Chad Daring]

(03-27-2011 03:41 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Online game doesn't improve your actual game. ]

I wanted to point out that I disagree here, atleast for someone like me who is in the very beginning of understanding how to game.

I spent my whole life being a preening yes man to women, my gut instinct is to be caring and try to impress her. Just is. I did this with online dating too.

I've turned my online game into a bit of an exercise.

If I cant look at a girls profile and come up with a decent opening line/message within 2 minutes I move on, for at least a day. I figure 2 minutes is a pretty decent window in real life for when a girl first enters your radar out and about.

It's only been a few days and I'm already noticing that when I see a sexy girl I've never seen before I no longer diddle around, I immediately fire up the game portion of my brain and start thinking about the best way to approach.

[oldnemesis]

(04-11-2011 04:46 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

That makes sense, but getting zero replies back also leads to zero lays.

Your glass is half-empty. I'd rather have zero replies than ten replies who I'm not going to get laid with. This wastes less time.