[KorbenDallas]

Alfonzo Rachel: Examining Black Loyalty to Democrats

I really like this guy. He touched on something towards the end of the video that I've been trying to do a better job of lately, and that's the elimination of negativity. Basically he says, and I'm paraphrasing, "I'm a conservative because what I stand for makes me happy. A Republic that protects and guarantees my rights and freedom." He goes on to discuss how the left is steeped in negativity. They stand for...hating republicans, hating Austrian economists, and being snarky towards their opponents values and beliefs. One thing that annoys me is how many Czech's have also bought into the EU propaganda. They lived through communism for crying out loud...

[Renzy]

Funny, all the black guys I've known, they're the most socially conservative people I've met. They go to church more than most whites I know, they're red pill when it comes to how they view women, they serve in the military in disproportionate numbers, ....and then they vote Democrat. Never understood how it all fits together...

[Kingsley Davis]

Paging Excelsior!!

http://www.returnofkings.com/7504/how-bl...as-created

[speakeasy]

[Sonsowey]

(05-09-2014 07:43 PM)Renzy Wrote:  

Funny, all the black guys I've known, they're the most socially conservative people I've met. They go to church more than most whites I know, they're red pill when it comes to how they view women, they serve in the military in disproportionate numbers, ....and then they vote Democrat. Never understood how it all fits together...

Really?

Quote:

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

http://books.google.com/books?id=GNr40qOoXOoC&pg=PA408

[KorbenDallas]

Last race post I'll ever do...I just wanted to put the video out there. I just don't think blacks realize how racist "liberals" are. It's not like Byrd left the democratic party or Sheldon Adelson was about to receive a lifetime NAACP award or anything...

[vinman]

I never understood it either, and I'm black. It's like an abusive relationship. The policies of progressives have had horrific results in the black community. Lyndon Johnson was right.....

[Samseau]

Liberals aren't racist. Just ignore the fact they live in 99.9% white communities and believe all blacks need is money thrown at them

[kdolo]

Blacks know exactly how racist liberals are.
But the issue is one of choosing the lesser of two evils....

The guy who wants to lynch/re enslave you versus the guy who patronizes and infantilized you.

You choose survival first.

[RexImperator]

It's disturbing when you think about it... Athlone's ROK article comes to mind. There really is no substitute for strong families and growing up with a father, yet government policies have done nothing but undermine this. First, among the black community, and now for everyone else.

In the current climate, any white guy who says this publicly will be called a racist. It's just off-limits. Black Americans will need some kind of conservative Malcolm X type figure to speak up.

[kdolo]

Black people have been commenting on the phenomenon since its started-the late 60s.

[Hotwheels]

[Kabal]

I did not watch the video, but it is obvious prima facie why blacks would be disproportionately loyal to Democrats, as the Democratic party comes promising freebies, income transfers, and affirmative action, policies of which blacks are disproportionately net beneficiaries.

A more interesting question is why Asians are so loyal to the Democratic Party, as democrats openly campaign for policies that are to the detriment of Asians, such as actively pushing for the blockading of Asians from schools and workplaces in favor of under-achieving population groups.

[Feisbook Control]

(05-11-2014 12:14 AM)Kabal Wrote:  

I did not watch the video, but it is obvious prima facie why blacks would be disproportionately loyal to Democrats, as the Democratic party comes promising freebies, income transfers, and affirmative action, policies of which blacks are disproportionately net beneficiaries.

A more interesting question is why Asians are so loyal to the Democratic Party, as democrats openly campaign for policies that are to the detriment of Asians, such as actively pushing for the blockading of Asians from schools and workplaces in favor of under-achieving population groups.

That's actually easy to answer. Asians are very status conscious, especially as minorities. The Democrats are essentially urbane professionals (or people who think they are) + (poor) minorities. Aside from some real old money, Republicans are basically middle class boring whites + trashy lower class whites. Asians don't identify with other minority groups (in fact they often really look down on them), but they also very much don't identify with what represents mainstream white culture. I realise that these definitions are caricatures to an extent, but there's a lot of truth in them. Guns and God (which is how Republicans are often perceived by outsiders) are a complete turn off for most Asians, as are any hobby or job where you work with your hands and get dirty or go outside. They consider the average white guy to be a moron. The only people they can kind of relate to are SWPL types, and those are all Democrats. Culture often trumps economics.

[Samseau]

(05-11-2014 02:42 AM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 12:14 AM)Kabal Wrote:  

I did not watch the video, but it is obvious prima facie why blacks would be disproportionately loyal to Democrats, as the Democratic party comes promising freebies, income transfers, and affirmative action, policies of which blacks are disproportionately net beneficiaries.

A more interesting question is why Asians are so loyal to the Democratic Party, as democrats openly campaign for policies that are to the detriment of Asians, such as actively pushing for the blockading of Asians from schools and workplaces in favor of under-achieving population groups.

That's actually easy to answer. Asians are very status conscious, especially as minorities. The Democrats are essentially urbane professionals (or people who think they are) + (poor) minorities. Aside from some real old money, Republicans are basically middle class boring whites + trashy lower class whites. Asians don't identify with other minority groups (in fact they often really look down on them), but they also very much don't identify with what represents mainstream white culture. I realise that these definitions are caricatures to an extent, but there's a lot of truth in them. Guns and God (which is how Republicans are often perceived by outsiders) are a complete turn off for most Asians, as are any hobby or job where you work with your hands and get dirty or go outside. They consider the average white guy to be a moron. The only people they can kind of relate to are SWPL types, and those are all Democrats. Culture often trumps economics.

I guess most Asians can't shake off the need to be dominated by a large powerful central government

[Feisbook Control]

Samseau: I don't think it's that. I think that Asians rightly smell which way the wind is blowing. The media in particular, but many other aspects of what is known as the Cathedral also, constantly mock middle American white culture and are waging a war without bullets on them. If there's going to be a guy to mock on a TV show or in a movie, he's going to be a particular guy who also just happens to fit the description of the average Republican voter. Why would an outsider willingly want to associate himself with the guy who is the butt of everyone's jokes? They don't have any historic cultural connection/loyalty to those guys, so why would Asians do that? Dude, Thomas Jefferson wasn't Korean and George Washington wasn't Chinese, so who gives a shit about them?

Obviously, from the perspective of guys like me, in the long term, the destruction of the white middle class (lower middle or middle middle, it's the same) leads America and other Western nations to resemble third world shit holes. I guess from Asians' perspectives, they either can't see that far ahead, or they think that it won't affect them, and possibly rightly so. Since the recent recession, certain minorities have still prospered due to a combination of many things, including working and studying a lot harder than the average person. So, at worst, they probably think that if America ends up looking like Indonesia, then like in Indonesia, (East) Asians will be disproportionately successful and occupy the thin sliver of the middle class that exists there. As far as they're probably concerned, whites, Hispanics and blacks can all occupy the underclass. Unlike the SWPL group Asians try to latch onto, they don't give a crap about other ethnic groups. They don't need to because there's no such thing as white guilt. Whether white guilt should or should not exist is completely irrelevant to Asians really, because they're not white, so they won't/don't suffer from it.

Then of course, at best (i.e. if everything doesn't go completely to shit), Asians figure that they'll be able to make it into the elite club with the SWPL group of the Democrats. I personally think they're dreaming on that one because I think that secretly, SWPL and their ilk really don't give a shit about any minorities, including Asians, and are just using them. Like I wrote above though, maybe Asians would still be fine with their perceived worst case scenario of America as Indonesia anyway.

[Kabal]

(05-11-2014 02:42 AM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 12:14 AM)Kabal Wrote:  

I did not watch the video, but it is obvious prima facie why blacks would be disproportionately loyal to Democrats, as the Democratic party comes promising freebies, income transfers, and affirmative action, policies of which blacks are disproportionately net beneficiaries.

A more interesting question is why Asians are so loyal to the Democratic Party, as democrats openly campaign for policies that are to the detriment of Asians, such as actively pushing for the blockading of Asians from schools and workplaces in favor of under-achieving population groups.

That's actually easy to answer. Asians are very status conscious, especially as minorities. The Democrats are essentially urbane professionals (or people who think they are) + (poor) minorities. Aside from some real old money, Republicans are basically middle class boring whites + trashy lower class whites. Asians don't identify with other minority groups (in fact they often really look down on them), but they also very much don't identify with what represents mainstream white culture. I realise that these definitions are caricatures to an extent, but there's a lot of truth in them. Guns and God (which is how Republicans are often perceived by outsiders) are a complete turn off for most Asians, as are any hobby or job where you work with your hands and get dirty or go outside. They consider the average white guy to be a moron. The only people they can kind of relate to are SWPL types, and those are all Democrats. Culture often trumps economics.

I was being rhetorical in saying "a more interesting question is why Asians are so loyal to the Democratic Party..."

The problem with the reasons you listed is that they are some combination of just-so stories, tautological, and/or have not been empirically tested/confirmed--although I do not necessarily disagree with them or find them implausible.

Some other factors that I find possible (some of which relate to the ones you listed), and are perhaps in the same bucket of just-so/tautological/insufficiently tested:
- Asians are disproportionally well-educated, and liberalness correlates with education
- (East) Asians are genetically and/or culturally pre-disposed to conformity, and/or submission to authoritarianism
- Asians see Republicans as The White Party, and whites as their greatest rivals in a zero-sum game
- Republicans have poor PR, and are generally bone-headed