Since Roosh posted this thread about him being back in America for a month: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-34915.html
we've had a few blogs and threads on how the Game is rapidly changing and becoming much harder to those who are not quite at the very top X%.
I've had some thoughts about this for a while, and have read a few observations others here made that resonate well with my experience in the field. The biggest value I get from the sharing of insights on RVF and the likes is that it keeps me sane.
I've been thinking about how all this affects me in my local scene, and one question I've been pondering is: "What is my competition?" What am I really up against when I'm out there in the field approaching girls? It is "what", not "who" due to reasons I'll lay out below.
Firstly, the 1% vs 99% in Game is a new thing started on RVF, I believe. On other manosphere sites I read, they always talk about the top 20% of guys doing the 80% of girls or the banging. My field experience tells me that either those guys live in a pussy paradise, or they are keyboard experts who don't get out much. Considering that most of them are married or in LTR, I'm guessing the latter.
I know the top 20%. Those would be my friends and I. We are in our late 20s, early 30s, athletic, make 6-digits or thereabout, dress well, are very social and have many hobbies. Compared to the mass of generic guys in this city, we are definitely in the top 20%. Yet when we're out there, our failure rate with women is super high. I'm more successful than most of them simply due to numbers game. But I can't really say with a straight face that I'm in a group of guys doing 80% of the banging or attracting 80% of the girls. We work hard for each bang. Very hard. Much harder than a few years ago even, despite our values having increased a lot.
The 1% doing 80% of the banging jives with my experience more. Out of all those guys I know, there are a handful who would be considered successful with women in my book, as in, they'd easily attract them, hold their attention and get the bang without much work. Three come to my mind. One is a good looking white guy who has fame game (or rather, he works on top TV shows so can give the girls taste of fame), one is a super good looking white guy (both parents are 10 in looks) who makes HB8s walk into poles on the streets, the other is a very good looking eurasian guy who comes from old money and top connections. They all have good game simply from so much practice with hot women. I have no realistic chance competing against any of them.
Yet, I don't feel they - or guys like them - are my competition in the field most of the times. There are very few of them around, and there are way more girls I find attractive than the number of girls those guys can realistically entertain. However, it's getting harder & harder for guys like me in the lower percentile to even hold the attention of lesser attractive girls who would be invisible to those 1% guys.
Roosh & a few others commented in the above thread that they don't believe the 1% is doing enough banging to satisfy the demands. I don't think they're doing 80% of the banging, nor even capturing the attention of 80% of girls. It appears that social media and smart phones are a much bigger problem capturing too much attention from girls.
I have to say, when I'm out in the field during day game, night game or even social circle game (house parties), I'm up against social media & smart phones, and the resulting stupor and social skill retardation of my target girls (18-30) way more often than any 1% guy. Frequently I'd be at venues where there are very few guys of any quality whatsoever, and the girls simply check out by gluing their faces to the phones or gossip among each other. Rarely I'd get any white knight or male cockblock in my way, and when there is, I'd deal with him easily. Female cockblocks are way more common and tougher, but they are less of an obstacle for me than the inability of most girls to hold basic conversation, their lack of curiosity and ultra low attention span.
I see very very few random hookups. People go to night clubs or house parties, interact with then go home with the same group they arrive with. They don't even talk to friends of friends that they don't already know beforehand. It takes guys like me with good social skills approaching at house parties to get groups of people talking to those outside of their close-knitted groups. That is at house parties, birthday parties, wedding receptions etc. where everyone at least shares a few common friends, not at night clubs or day game with complete strangers! The last hookups I saw at those events in my social circle were my mate (the host) banging a slut in an open relationship (he already lined her up before the party, and there were plenty of guys queuing up to hit on her too, as other chicks weren't open at all to approaches), and me banging my ex from years back for old time's sake (honest version: me striking out with other girls lol).
Stats (incl those from my country, Australia) are showing that women are having much less sex than even 10 years ago. I wonder if social media are killing their libido and satisfying their attention needs to the point where if they can't get a 1% guy, they'd rather go completely without a man, even say a 5%er. There are lots of women I know who are single and appear stressed and constantly pissed off. I can only guess from experience, but they look like they haven't had regular good dicking for a while.
One of the tropes you often see on manosphere blogs is that you gotta get it in asap, because you know she gives it up quick to other guys before you. If you don't bang her the same night you meet, she will call over some alpha (the 1%) who will fuck her good and make her forget about you. All of those imply that your competition is a top dog alpha, the 1%ers, who are always available to service all the girls you run into. The thing is, I know the 1% guys in my scene, they are definitely not doing all of the girls, just a few albeit always very attractive ones. While I definitely agree that waiting too long for sex is a sucker's game, I'm not so paranoid to think that she will immediately fuck someone else if I don't fuck her. Maybe a certain significant minority of girls will do so, but not most.
When I've managed to get through the initial bitch shield and have a solid interaction or even go on a kind of date (I usually just say I'm going to X on Y night/day, come hang out) with the girl one on one, I've never felt like I'm competing against a 1%er in her life or she even has one on the radar. Rather, I feel I'm up against an alpha in virtual reality (i.e social media) and in her fantasy who can give her the kind of entertainment and lifestyle that her friends would envy.
In the past, if I had a great interaction with a girl, with solid attraction and built up a connection, I could call or text her next time, she would respond swiftly and agree to meet up soon. Things just naturally progressed from there. There would be flakes and so on, but the ratio was good enough to live with. Now, her brain and emotions are so over stimulated by social media that shortly after spending time with me, her attention (with associated feelings) for me has already been gone through her swiping and scrolling on Facebook and Instagram for updates and likes. That means flake after flake after flake.
It's one thing to compete against other guys, even the 1%ers. It's another to compete against virtual reality. I'm not quite sure how to deal with the latter. Numbers game has been my answer so far, but time for me is a precious resource which means I don't have time to approach enough to push the numbers game much further.
Anecdotally, the best successes I've had with women recently were with those who for some reason hate smart phones and social media, and they're all foreign. My most favourite (a STR) is a small town French girl who has an old Nokia brick and no social media account. Maybe that's my answer! But until I can become location independent, I will have to do most of my Gaming in this Australian city, which by all accounts is just like other terrible cities (DC, Toronto etc.) of the Anglosphere. That means I have to deal with the aforementioned fantastical competition.
So, what is your competition in your local scene?
we've had a few blogs and threads on how the Game is rapidly changing and becoming much harder to those who are not quite at the very top X%.
I've had some thoughts about this for a while, and have read a few observations others here made that resonate well with my experience in the field. The biggest value I get from the sharing of insights on RVF and the likes is that it keeps me sane.
I've been thinking about how all this affects me in my local scene, and one question I've been pondering is: "What is my competition?" What am I really up against when I'm out there in the field approaching girls? It is "what", not "who" due to reasons I'll lay out below.
Firstly, the 1% vs 99% in Game is a new thing started on RVF, I believe. On other manosphere sites I read, they always talk about the top 20% of guys doing the 80% of girls or the banging. My field experience tells me that either those guys live in a pussy paradise, or they are keyboard experts who don't get out much. Considering that most of them are married or in LTR, I'm guessing the latter.
I know the top 20%. Those would be my friends and I. We are in our late 20s, early 30s, athletic, make 6-digits or thereabout, dress well, are very social and have many hobbies. Compared to the mass of generic guys in this city, we are definitely in the top 20%. Yet when we're out there, our failure rate with women is super high. I'm more successful than most of them simply due to numbers game. But I can't really say with a straight face that I'm in a group of guys doing 80% of the banging or attracting 80% of the girls. We work hard for each bang. Very hard. Much harder than a few years ago even, despite our values having increased a lot.
The 1% doing 80% of the banging jives with my experience more. Out of all those guys I know, there are a handful who would be considered successful with women in my book, as in, they'd easily attract them, hold their attention and get the bang without much work. Three come to my mind. One is a good looking white guy who has fame game (or rather, he works on top TV shows so can give the girls taste of fame), one is a super good looking white guy (both parents are 10 in looks) who makes HB8s walk into poles on the streets, the other is a very good looking eurasian guy who comes from old money and top connections. They all have good game simply from so much practice with hot women. I have no realistic chance competing against any of them.
Yet, I don't feel they - or guys like them - are my competition in the field most of the times. There are very few of them around, and there are way more girls I find attractive than the number of girls those guys can realistically entertain. However, it's getting harder & harder for guys like me in the lower percentile to even hold the attention of lesser attractive girls who would be invisible to those 1% guys.
Roosh & a few others commented in the above thread that they don't believe the 1% is doing enough banging to satisfy the demands. I don't think they're doing 80% of the banging, nor even capturing the attention of 80% of girls. It appears that social media and smart phones are a much bigger problem capturing too much attention from girls.
I have to say, when I'm out in the field during day game, night game or even social circle game (house parties), I'm up against social media & smart phones, and the resulting stupor and social skill retardation of my target girls (18-30) way more often than any 1% guy. Frequently I'd be at venues where there are very few guys of any quality whatsoever, and the girls simply check out by gluing their faces to the phones or gossip among each other. Rarely I'd get any white knight or male cockblock in my way, and when there is, I'd deal with him easily. Female cockblocks are way more common and tougher, but they are less of an obstacle for me than the inability of most girls to hold basic conversation, their lack of curiosity and ultra low attention span.
I see very very few random hookups. People go to night clubs or house parties, interact with then go home with the same group they arrive with. They don't even talk to friends of friends that they don't already know beforehand. It takes guys like me with good social skills approaching at house parties to get groups of people talking to those outside of their close-knitted groups. That is at house parties, birthday parties, wedding receptions etc. where everyone at least shares a few common friends, not at night clubs or day game with complete strangers! The last hookups I saw at those events in my social circle were my mate (the host) banging a slut in an open relationship (he already lined her up before the party, and there were plenty of guys queuing up to hit on her too, as other chicks weren't open at all to approaches), and me banging my ex from years back for old time's sake (honest version: me striking out with other girls lol).
Stats (incl those from my country, Australia) are showing that women are having much less sex than even 10 years ago. I wonder if social media are killing their libido and satisfying their attention needs to the point where if they can't get a 1% guy, they'd rather go completely without a man, even say a 5%er. There are lots of women I know who are single and appear stressed and constantly pissed off. I can only guess from experience, but they look like they haven't had regular good dicking for a while.
One of the tropes you often see on manosphere blogs is that you gotta get it in asap, because you know she gives it up quick to other guys before you. If you don't bang her the same night you meet, she will call over some alpha (the 1%) who will fuck her good and make her forget about you. All of those imply that your competition is a top dog alpha, the 1%ers, who are always available to service all the girls you run into. The thing is, I know the 1% guys in my scene, they are definitely not doing all of the girls, just a few albeit always very attractive ones. While I definitely agree that waiting too long for sex is a sucker's game, I'm not so paranoid to think that she will immediately fuck someone else if I don't fuck her. Maybe a certain significant minority of girls will do so, but not most.
When I've managed to get through the initial bitch shield and have a solid interaction or even go on a kind of date (I usually just say I'm going to X on Y night/day, come hang out) with the girl one on one, I've never felt like I'm competing against a 1%er in her life or she even has one on the radar. Rather, I feel I'm up against an alpha in virtual reality (i.e social media) and in her fantasy who can give her the kind of entertainment and lifestyle that her friends would envy.
In the past, if I had a great interaction with a girl, with solid attraction and built up a connection, I could call or text her next time, she would respond swiftly and agree to meet up soon. Things just naturally progressed from there. There would be flakes and so on, but the ratio was good enough to live with. Now, her brain and emotions are so over stimulated by social media that shortly after spending time with me, her attention (with associated feelings) for me has already been gone through her swiping and scrolling on Facebook and Instagram for updates and likes. That means flake after flake after flake.
It's one thing to compete against other guys, even the 1%ers. It's another to compete against virtual reality. I'm not quite sure how to deal with the latter. Numbers game has been my answer so far, but time for me is a precious resource which means I don't have time to approach enough to push the numbers game much further.
Anecdotally, the best successes I've had with women recently were with those who for some reason hate smart phones and social media, and they're all foreign. My most favourite (a STR) is a small town French girl who has an old Nokia brick and no social media account. Maybe that's my answer! But until I can become location independent, I will have to do most of my Gaming in this Australian city, which by all accounts is just like other terrible cities (DC, Toronto etc.) of the Anglosphere. That means I have to deal with the aforementioned fantastical competition.
So, what is your competition in your local scene?
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