[Dalaran1991]

I've swallowed the redpill, but being Asian and still talking to my parents, who are great people, I still have some resignation about taking the red pill totally.

What about when we get really really old? Im talking 70 or more or when we have to depend on someone else for even basic function?

The idea of marriage and having a family is partly so that you will have someone taking care of you when you are older. Having family exponentially expand your societal/familial ties (you know the in-laws) and thus keep you less lonely and miserable in your dying days.

Or maybe even in your healthy days, there will be times when shit happen and you are bed-ridden and can't move a limb. Your friends can only be so supportive. Having a wife who will take care of you not just out of love but also out of duty is surely a boon?

has anyone given this some thoughts?

[Christian McQueen]

Having a family doesn't have to happen at 25, 30, 35 or even 40.

If you have Game + Money you will never NOT have someone to tend to you when you're 70yo.

There's plenty of men (the ones who have their shit together) who get married in their 50's to younger women, have some kids and retire just fine.

What your family is doing, is trying to scare you into settling down younger with the fear of being 70yo and being alone.

Read closely: I'll bet you're in your early to mid 20's. You are not guaranteed tomorrow, much less 50 years from now.

Live your life and don't be sold a bill of goods.

[soup]

(04-29-2014 09:15 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

Having a family doesn't have to happen at 25, 30, 35 or even 40.

If you have Game + Money you will never NOT have someone to tend to you when you're 70yo.

There's plenty of men (the ones who have their shit together) who get married in their 50's to younger women, have some kids and retire just fine.

What your family is doing, is trying to scare you into settling down younger with the fear of being 70yo and being alone.

Read closely: I'll bet you're in your early to mid 20's. You are not guaranteed tomorrow, much less 50 years from now.

Live your life and don't be sold a bill of goods.

It sounds like the OP doesn't know who or what to trust.

I don't believe you should even be worrying about kids if you don't know your ups and downs when it comes to life- you have to get some grounding.

Go check out the newbie forum. It's a great resource.

[ashraf]

Bad wife (plenty of them out there) can make your life much much worse, then she leaves you and takes your money. Then you are alone again, emotionally damaged and broke.

[poutsara]

(04-29-2014 09:15 PM)Christian McQueen Wrote:  

Having a family doesn't have to happen at 25, 30, 35 or even 40.

word.

[conservative]

Totally the opposite.

If you marry at 25, and have kids at 30. When your kids are 20, they'll leave you and start their lives. By 50 you'll be alone. At 70, you'll rarely (if ever) see them.

If you marry at 50, and have kids at 55. When your kids are 20, you'll be 75. You'll probably don't want them around any more. But by 50, you'll have someone to be with.

Think about it.

[funkyzeit]

That's why you get on TRT at 35 and look 40 when you're 70.

[Samseau]

(04-30-2014 04:51 AM)conservative Wrote:  

Totally the opposite.

If you marry at 25, and have kids at 30. When your kids are 20, they'll leave you and start their lives. By 50 you'll be alone. At 70, you'll rarely (if ever) see them.

If you marry at 50, and have kids at 55. When your kids are 20, you'll be 75. You'll probably don't want them around any more. But by 50, you'll have someone to be with.

Think about it.

It depends on how you raise your children to. If you convince them to worship the almighty career, they will bounce out of town once they grow up and you'll be left with no one.

But if raise them with the belief that friends and family are more important than money, they'll still be in the area after they grow up.

Furthermore, if you have kids when young there's a very good chance you'll have grandkids to keep you busy as well.

[RockHard]

(04-29-2014 08:30 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

I've swallowed the redpill, but being Asian and still talking to my parents, who are great people, I still have some resignation about taking the red pill totally.

What about when we get really really old? Im talking 70 or more or when we have to depend on someone else for even basic function?

The idea of marriage and having a family is partly so that you will have someone taking care of you when you are older. Having family exponentially expand your societal/familial ties (you know the in-laws) and thus keep you less lonely and miserable in your dying days.

Or maybe even in your healthy days, there will be times when shit happen and you are bed-ridden and can't move a limb. Your friends can only be so supportive. Having a wife who will take care of you not just out of love but also out of duty is surely a boon?

has anyone given this some thoughts?

The death of a pimp.

First of all, my dad had his last kid at 41 and he was very active until his mid 80s when he took a fall on his bike and ended up getting hip replacement, and that slowed him down a lot. (geriatric pro-tip - if you're a cyclist, switch to a recumbent as you get older). He still takes care of my mom, who is so far progressed into dementia she literally can't remember what happened yesterday. Get off your ass, get some exercise, and don't eat crap, and you won't need someone to wipe your ass for you when you're 70.

OTOH I know a widower in his early 90's who remarried in his mid 80s after his first wife died. The 2nd wife is a total bitch, controlling, needy, manipulative. He recently had to go into assisted living and the 2nd wife (mid-80s) won't move. She'd rather stay and enjoy the house that he owned before they married.

You still think there's an insurance policy in getting married?

[BlurredSevens]

“Somebody said to me, ‘I can’t believe Jerry Garcia is dead.’ And I thought, ‘Doesn’t this guy know? Everybody’s dead. It’s all a matter of degree.’" -George Carlin

In other words, do as McQueen says.

[lavidaloca]

A friend of mine just wifed up his girlfriend. Hes late 70s shes 24. I know of multiple scenarios similar to this in poorer countries. The men are not rich heck to be honest in Canada they are lower class - lower middle class at best.

Quit worrying about when your 70. My pops had kids at 50+. I know of a few people who have had kids in their 60s.

The only reason I see of as to why to have kids at a younger age say 30 or under is so that you'll be more "active." But lets be real in First world societies by the time your kid is 18 they'll likely be so far away in thinking and interests from you. This is something I see differently in Cuba. I know fathers and sons who regularly go out together.

If you are doing it right you should be enjoying life all the way through. As you get older the key is to have your finances in control + some freedom to travel. If you do that, the world is yours.

[Duke Castile]

(04-30-2014 04:28 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

“Somebody said to me, ‘I can’t believe Jerry Garcia is dead.’ And I thought, ‘Doesn’t this guy know? Everybody’s dead. It’s all a matter of degree.’" -George Carlin

In other words, do as McQueen says.

I very much fucking like that.

*I'm using "fucking" to emphasize my appreciation of your use of this quote.

[TonySandos]

Participating in health care in the real world I get the advantage of perspective on how people most commonly end up dependent or otherwise take a hit in being unbound in regards to activity. All those PSAs about heart attacks and diabetes are true. Stop eating like shit, drink water to at least an 80/20 ratio to everything else, moderate alcohol and exercise damn it.

You absolutely can be one of those old bulls in their 60's still holding good muscles mass and tone by just moderating toxins and regular exercise. You don't want to be one of those people stuck in a dialysis regiment because their kidneys calcified over or simply failed from drinking Jamison and redbull like it's going out of style. Diabetes can get you while you're young. Sleep regularly and eat right.

All that said... many messed up conditions can still claim you and everything we do in actions is still just prevention. Live you life. I've seen a few people die before and it didn't make me realize that I should be a fatalist. Hell no. It made me realize that I need to look up and the sky, howl in a night club, go 60 over the speed limit, chill in the park, read good books love my nephews, taste a woman while I can.

Care for your body and circumstances for the purpose of extending the good conditions that you are living under at the present time.


I'm not afraid to die or feel melancholic about the subject anyway. When I get the first signs of dementia or a condition that will disable me, I'm driving a fast car off a bridge or a high jump. It seems like an amazing way to go to me.

[iknowexactly]

(04-30-2014 09:43 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  

I'm driving a fast car off a bridge or a high jump. It seems like an amazing way to go to me.

I thought about this, my preferred final destination off a cliff on the Amalfi coast.. but then I thought of the poor bastards trying to pull the wreckage as well as my body up a 200 foot cliff...

Maybe a bridge abutment at 110 with the airbags off? Late at night when there's not other cars around to scare the living shit out of? then the wrecking crew and paramedics have a gross mess...

Or a VERY long trip in a cheap sailboat.. that sounds kind of lonely however..

Drugs and guns seem so dreary...

But going out in the wild, blowing my brains out and letting the animals dispose of me, that sounds pretty trouble free for everyone... no mess.. snail mail an explanation.

A hospital/or in home bed where you have an unlimited supply of morphine doesn't sound too bad.. That's what the doc recommended when my dad had a stroke.. it's kind of a grey area between overdose and pain meds...

People talk about this but rarely have the nerve to check out intentionally, although old white single males have the highest suicide rate.

[Don Juan Tenorio]

(04-29-2014 08:30 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

What about when we get really really old? Im talking 70 or more or when we have to depend on someone else for even basic function?

has anyone given this some thoughts?

[TonySandos]

(04-30-2014 10:10 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(04-30-2014 09:43 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  

I'm driving a fast car off a bridge or a high jump. It seems like an amazing way to go to me.

I thought about this, my preferred final destination off a cliff on the Amalfi coast.. but then I thought of the poor bastards trying to pull the wreckage as well as my body up a 200 foot cliff...

Maybe a bridge abutment at 110 with the airbags off? Late at night when there's not other cars around to scare the living shit out of? then the wrecking crew and paramedics have a gross mess...

Or a VERY long trip in a cheap sailboat.. that sounds kind of lonely however..

Drugs and guns seem so dreary...

But going out in the wild, blowing my brains out and letting the animals dispose of me, that sounds pretty trouble free for everyone... no mess.. snail mail an explanation.

A hospital/or in home bed where you have an unlimited supply of morphine doesn't sound too bad.. That's what the doc recommended when my dad had a stroke.. it's kind of a grey area between overdose and pain meds...

People talk about this but rarely have the nerve to check out intentionally, although old white single males have the highest suicide rate.

That seems like over thinking it? Paramedics don't care about mess. Firemen seem like the strongest stomached people I've met in a while. It's good that you're concerned about effects post death. Off a bridge at night seems simple and not publicity inducing. I want to go fun, quietly and quickly.

Turning the airbag off at high speed and hitting a solid stop almost guarantees death by trauma.

Morphine drip gone wrong via doctor? I didn't know you could still get away with soft euthanasia. That's a better option honestly.
-It's safe for the people who retrieve your body
-organ donors stay collectable
-you can do open casket

[Onto]

It's a very tempting picture, the family, as an answer to the question, "What is the purpose of me bieng here? What can I do to feel real? To have being?"

The family is not to much different than a mirage in a desert. Doesn't mean one shouldn't do it, I may do it myself one day, but I know it's not the answer. Those who make it the answer, and expect it to be the answer, suffer terriblly I think.

[Daddy]

(04-29-2014 08:30 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Or maybe even in your healthy days, there will be times when shit happen and you are bed-ridden and can't move a limb. Your friends can only be so supportive. Having a wife who will take care of you not just out of love but also out of duty is surely a boon?

has anyone given this some thoughts?

Red pill or whatever doesn't mean being anti family. It's about understanding that in the current situation with the current rules in western society, getting married and having kids is getting screwed. I think family men can only prosper in patriarchies.

But if the tides change and the rules change, I would settle down one day. And if nothing changes, I will go live in another country where being a husband is respected and rewarded.

[bacon]

Build wealth that's the best way to ensure your taken care of in old age. Keep in contact with your friends to ensure you won't be lonely with no one to talk to when you get old.

[CaptainCrazy]

(04-30-2014 07:42 AM)funkyzeit Wrote:  

That's why you get on TRT at 35 and look 40 when you're 70.

Amen, brother!

However at 35 you can still do well without TRT (for me it is Crossfit + zone diet + medtation). I am close to 38 and still doing well however I am ready to jump on it as soon as I have any warning signs.