So, something I've been curious about is how to gauge the interest level at the end of a casual first date (as in, going out for drinks and really talking for the first time after a quick approach and number). The most common thing I hear at the end of these is "Thanks, I had fun tonight." I'd like to interpret this at face value, but I'm guessing there is more to watch for. I've also experienced goodbyes at the end of clearly awkward dates that made things much more clear. Other than that, though, I really have no idea. I've yet to be able to kiss close off a quick first date yet, which is also something I may need to work on.
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Work your first dates so you have a place to kiss them. Then kiss them.
I used to think I had to wait for a moment to kiss her, that I couldn't just kiss her after she say, told some funny story about her friend. Wrong.
As long as you've been escalating the touching, her body is angled well, and the conversation's light, just be bold and kiss. Put your lust in control. She won't care. I usually do it after she's said something, and finished her thought, waiting for me to reply.
I used to think I had to wait for a moment to kiss her, that I couldn't just kiss her after she say, told some funny story about her friend. Wrong.
As long as you've been escalating the touching, her body is angled well, and the conversation's light, just be bold and kiss. Put your lust in control. She won't care. I usually do it after she's said something, and finished her thought, waiting for me to reply.
You need to initiate something physical. My interpretation of a woman saying "Thanks, I had fun tonight.", is "Oh, god I'm glad this is over". But I suppose that really depends on her tone when she says it.
If you don't get the kiss then chances are you crashed and burned. There's always that chance that the chick is the 'waiting for marriage or the third date' type, but I find those to be generally few. But at the same time don't waste your time on those types because it'll most likely just end up being a waste of your time. Not always is the kiss a clear indicator so it can get a little confusing at times. You still need to engage her physically-get some kino going.
If you don't get the kiss then chances are you crashed and burned. There's always that chance that the chick is the 'waiting for marriage or the third date' type, but I find those to be generally few. But at the same time don't waste your time on those types because it'll most likely just end up being a waste of your time. Not always is the kiss a clear indicator so it can get a little confusing at times. You still need to engage her physically-get some kino going.
Good stuff so far. I'm still very much in transition from the AFC phase, and hearing things like this is good. I need to re-frame my criteria for success, I think. In my past relationships, I never kissed before the third date, and they were certainly the "wait until marriage" types, which I think I'm kind of done with at this point.
As far as the physical escalation, I'm generally terrible at this but have been working very hard to improve. The best I can generally manage are shoulder/forearm touches, and the occasional brushing hair from face. Escalating quickly beyond this still doesn't feel natural for me, but I'm sure I'll get there eventually. It also sounds like I need to plan my dates such that they are conducive to this sort of activity. Sitting across from each other at a booth really makes this stuff tricky!
As far as the physical escalation, I'm generally terrible at this but have been working very hard to improve. The best I can generally manage are shoulder/forearm touches, and the occasional brushing hair from face. Escalating quickly beyond this still doesn't feel natural for me, but I'm sure I'll get there eventually. It also sounds like I need to plan my dates such that they are conducive to this sort of activity. Sitting across from each other at a booth really makes this stuff tricky!
Quote: (11-14-2008 04:41 PM)MasterOfNone Wrote:
Sitting across from each other at a booth really makes this stuff tricky!
If you or your date like Japanese food and sushi in particular, pick out a restaurant where you can each hear yourselves speak, and sit up at the sushi bar. Watching the pros do their handiwork can be great for conversation, and you can sit next to her and escalate. Ditch the booth!
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It also sounds like I need to plan my dates such that they are conducive to this sort of activity. Sitting across from each other at a booth really makes this stuff tricky!
Oh, man. I'm just jumping inside because I have two perfect techniques I use for those type of situations. Unfortunately, I don't share what they are because I feel like it's my trade secret that I spent a lot of time working on. I learned that it's something most women responded very favourably to because it plays on their curiosity. Basically, I can take that situation of being in a booth or at a table and turn it into a nice kino session which help to soften her up and being open to other possibilities.
You basically have the right idea. You definitely want to increase your chances any way you can and if it takes having to plan your date around something more secluded then so be it. Just don't be too touchy feel because it can have the counter effect. One thing I like doing is taking a woman's hand then pulling away-doing stuff like that, but just not too often.
Quote: (11-14-2008 06:44 PM)Trotter Wrote:
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It also sounds like I need to plan my dates such that they are conducive to this sort of activity. Sitting across from each other at a booth really makes this stuff tricky!
Oh, man. I'm just jumping inside because I have two perfect techniques I use for those type of situations. Unfortunately, I don't share what they are because I feel like it's my trade secret that I spent a lot of time working on. I learned that it's something most women responded very favourably to because it plays on their curiosity. Basically, I can take that situation of being in a booth or at a table and turn it into a nice kino session which help to soften her up and being open to other possibilities.
You basically have the right idea. You definitely want to increase your chances any way you can and if it takes having to plan your date around something more secluded then so be it. Just don't be too touchy feel because it can have the counter effect. One thing I like doing is taking a woman's hand then pulling away-doing stuff like that, but just not too often.
Haha, Trotter you can't drop a claim like that and then keep it to yourself. What if you share just one technique? Most of the people reading this board probably don't live near you.
Quote: (11-14-2008 06:44 PM)Trotter Wrote:
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It also sounds like I need to plan my dates such that they are conducive to this sort of activity. Sitting across from each other at a booth really makes this stuff tricky!
Oh, man. I'm just jumping inside because I have two perfect techniques I use for those type of situations. Unfortunately, I don't share what they are because I feel like it's my trade secret that I spent a lot of time working on. I learned that it's something most women responded very favourably to because it plays on their curiosity. Basically, I can take that situation of being in a booth or at a table and turn it into a nice kino session which help to soften her up and being open to other possibilities.
You basically have the right idea. You definitely want to increase your chances any way you can and if it takes having to plan your date around something more secluded then so be it. Just don't be too touchy feel because it can have the counter effect. One thing I like doing is taking a woman's hand then pulling away-doing stuff like that, but just not too often.
Dude. Dick move. Next time don't even post, what's the point?
I'm guessing your "technique" is actually pretty lame and you're embarrassed to explain it for fear of getting shot down by other PUAs. Nice.
Quote: (11-14-2008 12:07 AM)MasterOfNone Wrote:
So, something I've been curious about is how to gauge the interest level at the end of a casual first date (as in, going out for drinks and really talking for the first time after a quick approach and number). The most common thing I hear at the end of these is "Thanks, I had fun tonight." I'd like to interpret this at face value, but I'm guessing there is more to watch for. I've also experienced goodbyes at the end of clearly awkward dates that made things much more clear. Other than that, though, I really have no idea. I've yet to be able to kiss close off a quick first date yet, which is also something I may need to work on.
I'm confused by this post.
If you're looking for subtle signs @ the end of the date, it's because what you did during the date didn't result in BLATANT signs.
Maybe you may need to screen better, but ultimately you have to escalate the physical/sexual heat in the date.
Quote: (11-15-2008 06:55 PM)moto78 Wrote:
Quote: (11-14-2008 06:44 PM)Trotter Wrote:
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It also sounds like I need to plan my dates such that they are conducive to this sort of activity. Sitting across from each other at a booth really makes this stuff tricky!
Oh, man. I'm just jumping inside because I have two perfect techniques I use for those type of situations. Unfortunately, I don't share what they are because I feel like it's my trade secret that I spent a lot of time working on. I learned that it's something most women responded very favourably to because it plays on their curiosity. Basically, I can take that situation of being in a booth or at a table and turn it into a nice kino session which help to soften her up and being open to other possibilities.
You basically have the right idea. You definitely want to increase your chances any way you can and if it takes having to plan your date around something more secluded then so be it. Just don't be too touchy feel because it can have the counter effect. One thing I like doing is taking a woman's hand then pulling away-doing stuff like that, but just not too often.
Dude. Dick move. Next time don't even post, what's the point?
I'm guessing your "technique" is actually pretty lame and you're embarrassed to explain it for fear of getting shot down by other PUAs. Nice.
Coming from the new guy with 3 posts. You should tread carefully here because we're a pretty good community that doesn't trash talk one another, new guy. Other then that it's no worth ackowledging you anymore. So laters.
I decided a long time ago, that if I want to fuck a girl, I'll make a move on her when we're alone. You can do this two ways:
1. Wait til right before the end of the date, try the kiss test to see if she wont reject you. Run your fingers through her hair. If she pulls away or gets uncomfortable, you can tell she will reject you if you try to kiss her.
2. Awkwardly get too close to her...build tension..., and do what I do... just throw her up against the wall and start making out with her. Fuck, if she is into you, any reservations she may have had will be throw away by creating that passion and sexual energy. Just don't be a creep... you will be able to tell by the vibes she gives off if this is appropriate.
1. Wait til right before the end of the date, try the kiss test to see if she wont reject you. Run your fingers through her hair. If she pulls away or gets uncomfortable, you can tell she will reject you if you try to kiss her.
2. Awkwardly get too close to her...build tension..., and do what I do... just throw her up against the wall and start making out with her. Fuck, if she is into you, any reservations she may have had will be throw away by creating that passion and sexual energy. Just don't be a creep... you will be able to tell by the vibes she gives off if this is appropriate.
Quote: (11-14-2008 12:07 AM)MasterOfNone Wrote:
So, something I've been curious about is how to gauge the interest level at the end of a casual first date (as in, going out for drinks and really talking for the first time after a quick approach and number). The most common thing I hear at the end of these is "Thanks, I had fun tonight." I'd like to interpret this at face value, but I'm guessing there is more to watch for. I've also experienced goodbyes at the end of clearly awkward dates that made things much more clear. Other than that, though, I really have no idea. I've yet to be able to kiss close off a quick first date yet, which is also something I may need to work on.
In my humble opinion gauging or establishing interest should be discovered during the pickup. If your feeling on that first interaction isn't solid, give her one call, if she flakes move on. Your venue selection, drinks one on one, is excellent. You should look for her showing genuine interest during this interaction as well. If she smiles alot and asks questions, she is interested. From here your conversation and kino need to be a seamless, beautifully orchestrated performance. You lead the conversation to where you want it to go. Your kino reels her in and gets her used to your touch. You should mentally practice scenarios where you guide the conversation and use kino to draw her close.
For example, Sometimes during my dates I like to let a girl know I'm not a Mimbo. I'm not easy, my cock is glorious and I don't share it with every girl I date. I"ll use a concerned face and calm tone, " You know, (insert name), I'm not easy, I'm not a floosy" She says "What?" You say, "I, I just get that impression, you think i'm easy." She defends, "No, I don't!" Shake your head with a smile. "My lord, you are a naughty girl." She shuts up or continues to defend. Serious face, "No, we should talk about this, this is serious" You grab her chair or stool and pull her close to you. Concerned face, "Listen, I'm not easy... ok, just because we had a couple of drinks doesn’t mean you get to sleep with me." She responds. You talk right over her, "I'm not a piece of meat, ok." She is smiling as she defends herself. Watch as she brings her arms in and almost crosses her chest in defense. This is where you take those arms, and put them in your lap near the cock or even better around your waist or shoulders. Your consoling her, think Dr. Phill, there is something wrong with this bitch, she is super horny, wants to tear your clothes off, fuck you silly, and cryogenically freeze your seed for future use as mouthwash. You feel she has crossed a line; you’re concerned, and want to help. "You know I have feelings.” She defends. You stand up and pull a little closer, "I'm not easy." She says Blah, Blah? You say, "Listen, if you be a good girl, I might let you kiss me tonight." Pull her closer and let her kiss you. It's the least you can do for the poor girl. You will be able to feel when it’s right. When executed with proper tact, kino, and banter this one is in the bag. Reverse the role, your untouchable, your James Bond, you’re the fucking Man. Remember, bitches chase you down because your cock is glorious and your oversized balls make you do crazy shit.
No need to gauge. Just call her in a couple days and ask her out. If she says yes then she is interested.
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