Quote: (03-30-2011 11:24 PM)Samseau Wrote:
If the woman divorces you, she gets the kids 80% of the time or whatever. For whatever stupid feminist reasons, the courts give physical custody to the women for the vast majority of cases. This is my biggest beef with divorce laws.
Next are the money issues. If you made more money, she gets more money. The spouse who contributes more to the marriage is the one more likely to be screwed in a divorce. It's reverse incentives at its finest.
Women are getting the kids 80% of the time because a lot of men really do not want them. And this is not really a "win" for her if you consider how much time kids take. Her earning ability will go down significantly (no long hours, no night shifts). No vacations either as kids get sick quite often, and the vacation time is used for dayoffs. Same with her dating abilities - just going out is already a significant problem which requires significant planning ahead. How many guys would be happy dating (and being faithful to) a chick who can reliably only get out every second weekend?
Money only make difference to some point; for example, if she makes 100K and you make 150K it doesn't make a lot of difference as nobody gets alimony anyway. And there are other things - for example, if she is a teacher, she's not making a lot of money. However not only you get good health/dental benefits through her, but you are also eligible for her pension. Add things like cooking, home maintenance - those are efforts too, and I do count them. Taking care of kids - typically women spend more time with kids than men. Just counting money without considering any other efforts is unfair.
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I say no, most women who become bored do so because women get bored easily, regardless of their surroundings. They whine and bitch about whatever they are doing and nothing changes that.
I disagree here. Every married woman I know is only complaining that there is not enough time to do everything they wanted to. Could you show any example when a woman who had a job she liked, and a husband of similar value but still got bored? Unless her husband is crazy jealous and possessive (which sadly seems what a typical US dude is), I don't really see it happening.
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I really like the idea of an open relationship type of thing. I'll try pushing for it, never really occurred to me women might find it acceptable. I've always assumed monogamy is the default relationship state for females.
A lot of women find it acceptable if you introduce it properly. Especially Western women, they seem to like the idea of being able to fuck around if they want to. I'd even say this may give you more value points, considering that a lot of guys here in US are of jealous "do not even look on other guys" type.
Another way is by trading your value. For a truly monogamous woman your desire of open relationship lowers your value. However she may still accept it if your value is otherwise higher than yours. The benefits of this case is that you might get an one-side open relationship, while your spouse is theoretically free to fuck around, but she doesn't do it because she is not interested in it.
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I suspect divorce rates are around 60% for WHITES, at least.
Interesting. You claim Census data is inaccurate, without providing any information how much is it inaccurate (0.5%? 5%? 50%)? But what you offer instead is your
suspicions? At least Census data is based on facts. What is your suspicion based on?
Even if Census data is inaccurate, one would assume its inaccuracy is a constant. Then it is still good enough to see the trend. And, from
this link, the divorce rates seem to be pretty consistent during the last 30 years, varying around 50%.
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You mean those husbands who have been banned from the house because they got divorced? Or the husbands who avoid their wives and dare not stand up to their wife because they know a divorce would rob him of his children?
I made it clear in the post above:
And quite a few ladies mentioned that they would love it if their husbands also took a walk with kids, but they're always too busy or whatever, so your allegations are not appropriate.
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Before no-fault divorce, birth rates were high, children grew up to be somewhat decent human beings. I do not interpret this as mere coincidence.
It looks like you interpret the "before no-fault divorce" as "a woman could not get a divorce if her husband was against it". This is simply not true, she just needed to lie in the court - which was what a lot of people did, and this was the main reason to adopt no-fault divorce laws. It also raises an interesting point: are you saying that if you marry, you MUST stay together till the rest of your life even if you two are clearly incompatible? If yes, why? If not, why are you against no-fault divorces?
Birth rates go down across all industrial nations. This is a worldwide trend which cannot be attributed to change in divorce laws in the US.
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So extremely high divorce rates are due people who are attracted to each other getting married because of peer pressure, legal issues, financial issues, pregnancy, and other external factors?
I don't see extremely high divorce rates - they have been pretty constant during the last 30 years. Actually
the US is not even the leader in the world divorce rates (Belgium is). The USA has about 49% rate, putting it between Austria and Luxemburg.
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Somehow I doubt this. I think people are genuinely in love when they marry, but, as love is fleeting, divorce each other as they lose attraction for each other. And this happens despite of how balanced the relationships "value" is! Riddle me fucking that, batman.
Similar value is A requirement of a successful LTR, it is not THE requirement.
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Most older couples I see simply stay with each other out of obligation, not love. This is fine and dandy, but the problem is that few women will stay in a relationship out of loyalty. This is why finding a good wife is difficult.
A lot of long-term couples I know are also very good friends, not just lovers. Think about it: do you get rid of your friends when your "love" to them wears off, or when you get used to them?
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You might be right, I don't know. But foreign cultures seem to offer endless opportunities...
... to win or to lose. This is just a riskier game for Americans comparing to US - you can win more, but you also can lose more. The imposed restrictions are also not for everyone - for example, I'm absolutely sure I don't want to live in Thailand the rest of my life.
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I'm not sure why you make such claims; my expectations for a wife aren't very high. They are simple:
1. Gives good boners
2. Integrity (the toughest one!)
3. Not a bitch
4. Giving
What you're essentially saying that you want a "nice attractive girl with a good personality". Well, if you said you want an ugly bitch who is drama queen and only thinks about herself, THAT would be unique. But your description is completely meaningless. Ask every other guy, and he'll tell you he wants it too. This is a problem - if you don't really know what you're looking for, you will not recognize it once you find it.
Now let me show you where it breaks apart. Would you still consider the girl who perfectly matches your criteria from above, but also:
- Has been convicted for one or more minor crimes (like shoplifting)?
- Has a very low sex drive (she is still giving - she agrees to sex to make you happy, but she never initiates it, and it is clear to you that she doesn't really enjoy it);
- Has been divorced, and/or has a kid from prev marriage (or even out of wedlock);
- From a very different social background - i.e. a Muslim, or a black girl;
- Works as an escort or exotic dancer;
- Is an incredibly stupid or boring person (some very beautiful girls are);
Note that those are not obvious turnoffs - a lot of guys, me included, married a girl who matched one or more of criteria listed above. This is just to point out that defining what you're looking for is much more difficult than most people imagine.
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She doesn't need to be a 10/10. She doesn't need a lot of money. She doesn't need to be smart (but it's a plus), or be good in bed (we can work on that). She only needs the above four things and I'd be happy. I'm not asking for much. And no, so far, after chasing girls for probably 2-3 years, on and off (between college and shit), can't even find one girl to display these qualities. The girls who give boners are invariably fucked up in some way, whereas the ugly ones are sweethearts. The search continues.
It looks like you're paying more attention to girls looks than personality. If you are looking for LTR, this is not right. I'd concentrate on personality first, looks are not that important. Better find out a girl with good personality who accepts open sexual relationship. Then you can fuck those who give boners and have shitty personality.